I am a big fan of Luther's music, especially his covers. But there is one song of his that I find quite disturbing, "Love Won't Let Me Wait." On the surface, this song seems quite romantic, but if you actually listen to the lyrics, they sound a bit date-rapish to me. I'll post them here for your convenience:

"Love Won't Let Me Wait"
I need to have you next to me in more ways than one
And I refuse to leave till I see the mornin' sun

The time is right, you hold me tight
And love's got me high
Please tell me, 'Yes' and don't say, 'No'
Honey, not tonight

Move a little close to me, you owe it to yourself
And I will selfishly take a little for myself
And it's because of you
That love won't let me wait

Yeah, yeah

The time is right, turn down the lights
And take my hand, ooh, ooh, yeah
We'll take a flight and spend the night
In Wonderland

And I need to have you next to me in more ways than one
And I refuse to leave till I see the mornin' sun
Creep through your window pane
Because love won't let me wait
Not another minute

Ooh...ooh...ooh...yeah...yeah...

And I need your love so desperately and only you can set me free
When I make to you, we'll explode in ecstasy
And I won't take the blame
That love won't let me wait

....blah blah so on and so forth.


Another song that comes to mind is the Ojay's "Let Me Make Love to You." As with the Luther song, it seems romantic and lovely on the surface. But at the same time, it has some forceful undertones. I can't find those lyrics...maybe someone else will post them, but the part that I am referring to is "I won't stop 'til you ask me to, tell me to, beg me to." Now, does one have to ask, tell, and beg? Do they have to be in that order?

Now before somebody blasts me for speaking ill of either Luther or the O'Jays, i just would like to say that you should take this post with a grain of salt. It is not *entirely* serious. Surely Luther, nor the O'Jays would have released songs that promote illegal behavior. And for the record, I do like both songs.

So, the question is are these songs *date-rapey*? Can you think of any other *romantic* songs that go a bit astray?

What about "Date Rape" by Sublime? I don't know if that's old school enough though.

Never thought of that...It's a little eerie. I will listen to Luther songs is a whole new light.

Smooches;)

Don't really see the date-rape connection.
You could probably make that argument with quite a few romantic tunes but you'd have to really stretch.

Trivia:
"Love Won't Let Me Wait" was originally done by Major Harris (1975).
I like Major's version much better.

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

theAudience said:

TA givin Music class... get em'

lil side Note Major Harris was a member of the Delfonics

theAudience said:

i was about to say...

HotThang said:

ur reading 2 much in2 it. just njoy the song 4 what is. a nice lil love song.

theAudience said:

I knew the song was a cover, but i prefer Luther's version much better...the original tends to drag a bit much for me. Also, Luther's version tends to get tons more airplay, so I thought peeps would be more familiar with that one. Thanks for the info though

Sorry, HotThang but I don't see the connection either. I got an old school ass-whipping song though!

Thin Line Between Love And Hate
The Persuaders

It's a thin line, it's 5 o'clock in the morning
And I'm just getting in, I knock on the door
A voice sweet and low says, who is it?
She opens up the door and lets me in
Never do she once say, sir, where have you been?
No, she says, are you hungry?
Are you hungry, honey? Did you eat yet?
Let me hang up your coat, your coat, your coat
And the woman tells me, pass me your hat too
All the time she smiles, never once raises her voice
It's 5 o'clock in the morning

1-It's a thin line between love and hate..

2-The sweetest woman in the world
Can be the meanest woman in the world
If you make her that way, you keep on hurting her
She keeps being quiet
She might be holding something inside
That really really hurt you one day

Here I am laying in the hospital
Bandaged from feet to head
Ya see I'm in the state of shock
Just that much from being dead
I didn't think my woman could do something like this to me
I didn't think she had the nerve, so here I am
I guess action speaks louder than words
(repeat 1, 2, 1)

It's a thin line, between love and hate
It's a thin line...

Oh, I've a couple of songs with lyrics that bother me a little.

Gap Band's "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WANT TO GET UP AND DANCE (Oops Upside Your Head)":

Jack and Jill went up the hill to have a little fun
Stupid Jill forgot her pill, and now they have a son.

Why she gotta be stupid?! Why can't Jack wear a condom?!

I love the Isley Brothers but there's a line in "That Lady" that makes me say "WTF?"

I would dance upon a string.
Any gift she'd want, I'd bring.
I would give her anything,
If she would just do what I say.

I just looked online & I can't find the lyrics but I remember something in that Aaron Hall song "Don't Be Afraid" always bothered me. It was something he said & the way he said it, pretty damn aggressive

NWF said:

i hate to admit this....but i love this song. i love sublime even. or what i know of them anyway...

but ur right...i dont know if it fits this (weird ass titled) thread

TheRealFiness said:

Yeah, and he passed away recently.....

violett said:

i'm hoping it becomes an org feature. you know, one of those daily threads. "Old School Date Rape Song of the Day" or something

kiss85 said:

Did he really?

It's not date-rapish but when Teddy used to shout "Turn 'em off!" the ladies used to get persuaded.

They were playing his record (remember those?) in the record store and a lady took off all her clothes.

S***, I bought TWO of his albums that day! One to set the mood and one as a spare.

YEAH! YES!

"It's A Thin Line Between Love And Hate" Sounds like a commercial for "Whoop Ass"

(Narrators Voice) Guys..... don't cheat on your woman..... Ladies, don't run up your man's credit cards.

And now a few words from O.J. Simpson .....

cranshaw62 said:

HOLY SHIT Wouldn't it be funny if she was just some crazy bitch who was gonna undress anyway, even if Tiny Tim had been playing?

cranshaw62 said:

cranshaw62 said:

Speaking of Teddy, there's something kind of aggressive about how he says, "come here woman" in "Close the Door."

Oh, you gotta admit Rick James' "Give It to Me Baby" has got the potential for date rape written all over it. I mean, he comes home high!

When I came home last night
You wouldn't make love to me
You went fast asleep
You wouldn't even talk to me

You say I'm so crazy
Coming home intoxicated
I say just want to love you, I just wanna love you, baby
Guess that's why I'm so elated, come on, girl

Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
I betcha I'll make you holler you've had enough
Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
Just give it to me, baby
Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
I betcha I'll make you holler you've had enough

Give it to me
Give me that stuff, that funk, that sweet, that funky stuff {Say what}
Give it to me
Give me that stuff, that funk, that sweet, that funky stuff {Say what}

Give it to me, give it to me
Give it to me, give it to me
Give me your stuff, that funk, that sweet, that funky stuff (Yo-ho, ow)

Give it to me, baby

When I was high as the sky
Out all night just dancin'
You say, 'Let's go home' {Come on, Rick, I'm tired, let's go home}
That's the time I start romancin'

You say how can I love you, how can I love you, baby
When your body keeps on movin'
I say wait till I squeeze you, oh
Maybe then you'll start to groovin', come on, girl

Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
I betcha I'll make you holler you've had enough
Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
Just give it to me, baby
Give it to me, baby (Give it to me, baby)
I betcha I'll make you holler you've had enough

Give it to me
Give me that stuff, that funk, that sweet, that funky stuff {Say what}
Give it to me
Give me that stuff, that funk, that sweet, that funky stuff {Say what}

Give it to me, give it to me
Give it to me, give it to me
Give me your stuff, that funk, that sweet, that funky stuff (Yo-ho, ow)
Hey, girl

Give it to me what you say
Give it to me what you say
{Give it to me} What you say
{Give it to me}, what you say [Hey, girl]
Give it to me what you say
Give it to me what you say
{Give it to me, give it to me} [Hey, girl]

Give it to me what you say
Give it to me what you say
Give it to me, give it to me
Give it to me what you say
Give it to me right away
Give it to me, give it to me

Give it to me what you say

uhm.. HotThang..

that's an interesting thought, but you could interpret most romantic songs like that if you really wanted.. Prince songs not excluded..

Do me baby
that's a command right there... he's telling her to do him which is forcing himself on him.. etc..

see how ridiculous that train of thought is?

Okay, this song is most definitely about rape. Look at how ridiculous these lyrics are:

"I Want Action"
Poison

I want action tonight
Satisfaction all night.

I grab my hat and I
grab my shoes
Tonight I'm gonna hit
the streets and cruise

Down the main strip and
check it out
With those schoolgirls
a hangin' around

Now I'm a sucker for a pretty face
I don't care if she's in leather or lace
cause I'm just lookin' for a little kiss

I want action tonight
satisfaction all night
You've got the love I need tonight

Long legs and short skirts
These girls hit me where it hurts
I can't wait to get my hands on them
I won't give up until they give in

Now I'm not lookin' for a love that lasts
I need a shot and I need it fast
If I can't have her, I'll take her and make her


Hey, sweetheart, slide on in here
No, not in the front, jump in the back
Why?
Cause there's something back there I want to show ya
I want action tonight
Satisfaction all night
Ah, come on honey, I wasn't that bad!
Oh, well.

Damn, UptownDeb beat me to it! "Give It To Me Baby" has always disturbed me.

"I'll make you holler you've had enough" by itself doesn't necessarily have rape connotations, but in the context of "I came home high as a kite and you refused to fuck me," well, it just gives me a stomachache.

What about Kiss's "Makin Love"???

Red light, green light, don't say "No"
I really want her, she says
"Stop, baby" go, go, go
hehheh...

Tom said:

What the hell is funny about that?


fucking color-coded edit
[This message was edited Tue Jul 27 8:46:34 2004 by FunkMistress]

CokeJohnson said:

I don't think *most* romantic songs fall into the Date Rape category, but some definitely do. Do Me Baby has some date-rapish qualities, but the singer makes it clear that the love-making should be mutual. However, the last bit before "I'm so cold, just hold me" does go a bit off the deep end. Also, I don't think looking at songs from a different perspective is necessarily ridiculous. Perhaps, not looking at some of these songs from the atypical perspective is ridiculous...who's to say?

CalhounSq said:

Yeah, me too. Maybe it was this:

You'll be sayin' Daddy to me,
but please don't hurt me.

CalhounSq said:

Why are you in my head? I was going to post the same thing yesterday but I couldn't find the lyrics online either, so I decided not to post it. I have always thought that song was date rapish..

PurpleCharm said: