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Thread started 01/29/25 7:02pm

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Piano and A Microphone 2016

It baffles me that either the Gala performance at Paisley Park or the final ever show in Atlanta from Piano and a Microphone 2016 still hasn’t been released.
Surely a release of Prince’s final ever performance would appeal to the masses and be a worthy investment.
Maybe they’re saving it for next year, being the 10th anniversary since Prince passed.
Anyone feel the same, want it released or have any info on why the final era has be ignored so far by the estate/whoever is running things these day?
The Sampler Set is great!
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Reply #1 posted 01/29/25 8:38pm

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Yup, this place is dead.

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Reply #2 posted 01/29/25 9:07pm

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I’m sure it’ll get released at some point. All releases for the time being have come to a halt due to the Netflix deal.
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Reply #3 posted 01/30/25 8:38am

leecaldon

As already stated, it is the Netflix deal that has put this on ice. And I presume, unlike some of SE's that have come out in the last few years, it is likely to be an important part of the latter part of the doc.

Joined up thinking would have the video and audio of the gala night (and/or audio of the 'last album Prince prepared for release - Atlanta show 2).

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Reply #4 posted 01/30/25 2:01pm

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leecaldon said:

As already stated, it is the Netflix deal that has put this on ice. And I presume, unlike some of SE's that have come out in the last few years, it is likely to be an important part of the latter part of the doc.



Joined up thinking would have the video and audio of the gala night (and/or audio of the 'last album Prince prepared for release - Atlanta show 2).



As if they weren't able to release that shortly After Prince death. That was THE very release that could have triggered a lot of money due to morbid/ emotionnal interest from a large audience.
Instead, they released Forever and Piano& Michael 83. eek
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Reply #5 posted 01/30/25 5:47pm

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WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

I’m sure it’ll get released at some point. All releases for the time being have come to a halt due to the Netflix deal.


Even if the Netfix deal was still active, it doesn't prevent *all* releases.


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Reply #6 posted 01/30/25 7:58pm

NICKthebrick

As I said in the other thread.

This release is way down my list of things I would lied to see released.

I could name probably 20 more interesting releases.
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Reply #7 posted 01/31/25 6:08am

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... so next year it's already 10 years, damn...

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Reply #8 posted 01/31/25 11:42am

leecaldon

NICKthebrick said:

As I said in the other thread. This release is way down my list of things I would lied to see released. I could name probably 20 more interesting releases.

Each to their own. The gala night video is probably my #1 wish. What's yours?

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Reply #9 posted 01/31/25 11:43am

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lurker316 said:

WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

I’m sure it’ll get released at some point. All releases for the time being have come to a halt due to the Netflix deal.


Even if the Netfix deal was still active, it doesn't prevent *all* releases.


I was under the impression that any release required approval from Netflix.

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Reply #10 posted 01/31/25 6:26pm

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leecaldon said:

lurker316 said:


Even if the Netfix deal was still active, it doesn't prevent *all* releases.


I was under the impression that any release required approval from Netflix.

I don't see how if it doesn't contain anything Netflix was given exclusive first use of.

I mean I have no idea what kind of deal they signed, but allowing Netflix to prevent stuff that isn't going to be in the doc from being released would be plain insane, right?

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Reply #11 posted 01/31/25 11:45pm

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databank said:



leecaldon said:




lurker316 said:




Even if the Netfix deal was still active, it doesn't prevent *all* releases.





I was under the impression that any release required approval from Netflix.



I don't see how if it doesn't contain anything Netflix was given exclusive first use of.


I mean I have no idea what kind of deal they signed, but allowing Netflix to prevent stuff that isn't going to be in the doc from being released would be plain insane, right?



Of course, that's why the estate was able to release SOTT and D&P SDE, as they could release Lovesymbol SDE if they wanted to.
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Reply #12 posted 02/01/25 12:22am

SoulAlive

makes you wonder…

Exactly what type of deal did they sign with Netflix?! And when will it ever be resolved?

Seems like they really made a huge mistake.
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Reply #13 posted 02/01/25 8:05pm

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NICKthebrick said:

As I said in the other thread.

This release is way down my list of things I would lied to see released.

I could name probably 20 more interesting releases.


Same. To each their own, for sure, but I don't understand how this could be anywhere near the top of anyone's wish list, even if you're only talking about live releases.

To be fair, if we're talking live releases post-2006, this is probably at the top of that list, or near it - but love releases from really 2004 through 2016 are at the absolute bottom of what I would like to see and hear

Not what I would absolutely love is any and all unreleased studio tracks from that same time period. That's my holy grail.
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Reply #14 posted 02/02/25 2:54am

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lurker316 said:



WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:


I’m sure it’ll get released at some point. All releases for the time being have come to a halt due to the Netflix deal.


Even if the Netfix deal was still active, it doesn't prevent *all* releases.





We don’t know that. There has been no transparency regarding what the details of that Netflix deal. Regardless.. the piano & mic footage would absolutely be in the doc.
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Reply #15 posted 02/02/25 1:46pm

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makes you wonder…

Exactly what type of deal did they sign with Netflix?! And when will it ever be resolved?

Seems like they really made a huge mistake.


I read an interview that Jon Bream had where he stated that the previous administrators of the estate were so desperate to pay off the IRS estate bill that they agreed to the deal with Netflix seeing how they were getting paid tens of millions of dollars. The irony of this deal is that the current administrators of the estate are now in charge because the IRS bill was paid allowing them to take control of the estate but the deal that allowed them to is now hindering them.
[Edited 2/2/25 13:49pm]
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Reply #16 posted 02/02/25 5:57pm

psyche2

NICKthebrick said:

As I said in the other thread. This release is way down my list of things I would lied to see released. I could name probably 20 more interesting releases.

I agree.

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Just something down to personal taste, but I'd rather see anything from the 90's instead. For what I've seen/heard and reviews from the gigs, I guess they are way too emotional particularly keeping in mind what happened next. I have a few bootlegs from this tour and I'm not brave enough to go through them.

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Reply #17 posted 02/03/25 1:15pm

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I think that beside these Last concerts, WE all thought in 2016, what was the logical release would be a " New album" with his very Last output recorded. What could have been basically released in 2017, had Prince been alive.

I miss these New albums. I really loved thé W2A release, it was like he was still alive and still releasing albums ( it wasn't that outdated).

Think about it : even in his worst album, there was Always one or two outstanding tracks. Had he been alive today, WE would have been greeted with many great tracks that we would never know. That's the saddest part of Prince death, or Lennon's, etc.

Now, I want to believe these outstanding tracks recorded for the 2017 album (HNR3?) are somewhere in the vault, waiting to be released. It s such a shame that almost 10 years After, there s still no news about that, when I think thèse are in fact what needed to be released first
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Reply #18 posted 02/03/25 2:02pm

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RODSERLING said:

I think that beside these Last concerts, WE all thought in 2016, what was the logical release would be a " New album" with his very Last output recorded. What could have been basically released in 2017, had Prince been alive. I miss these New albums. I really loved thé W2A release, it was like he was still alive and still releasing albums ( it wasn't that outdated). Think about it : even in his worst album, there was Always one or two outstanding tracks. Had he been alive today, WE would have been greeted with many great tracks that we would never know. That's the saddest part of Prince death, or Lennon's, etc. Now, I want to believe these outstanding tracks recorded for the 2017 album (HNR3?) are somewhere in the vault, waiting to be released. It s such a shame that almost 10 years After, there s still no news about that, when I think thèse are in fact what needed to be released first [Edited 2/3/25 13:34pm]

Yes to all this.

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Reply #19 posted 02/03/25 2:23pm

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RODSERLING said:

I think that beside these Last concerts, WE all thought in 2016, what was the logical release would be a " New album" with his very Last output recorded. What could have been basically released in 2017, had Prince been alive. I miss these New albums. I really loved thé W2A release, it was like he was still alive and still releasing albums ( it wasn't that outdated). Think about it : even in his worst album, there was Always one or two outstanding tracks. Had he been alive today, WE would have been greeted with many great tracks that we would never know. That's the saddest part of Prince death, or Lennon's, etc. Now, I want to believe these outstanding tracks recorded for the 2017 album (HNR3?) are somewhere in the vault, waiting to be released. It s such a shame that almost 10 years After, there s still no news about that, when I think thèse are in fact what needed to be released first [Edited 2/3/25 13:34pm]



100% agreed.


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Reply #20 posted 02/04/25 4:05am

SoulAlive

jungleshot1 said:

SoulAlive said:

makes you wonder…

Exactly what type of deal did they sign with Netflix?! And when will it ever be resolved?

Seems like they really made a huge mistake.


I read an interview that Jon Bream had where he stated that the previous administrators of the estate were so desperate to pay off the IRS estate bill that they agreed to the deal with Netflix seeing how they were getting paid tens of millions of dollars. The irony of this deal is that the current administrators of the estate are now in charge because the IRS bill was paid allowing them to take control of the estate but the deal that allowed them to is now hindering them.


Some bad decisions were made and now they can’t even release anything! Absurd!

I wonder if the planned musical is still a go.
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Reply #21 posted 02/04/25 5:54am

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SoulAlive said:

jungleshot1 said:



I read an interview that Jon Bream had where he stated that the previous administrators of the estate were so desperate to pay off the IRS estate bill that they agreed to the deal with Netflix seeing how they were getting paid tens of millions of dollars. The irony of this deal is that the current administrators of the estate are now in charge because the IRS bill was paid allowing them to take control of the estate but the deal that allowed them to is now hindering them.


Some bad decisions were made and now they can’t even release anything! Absurd!

I wonder if the planned musical is still a go.


Be careful, what is absurd is to believe the current estate they can't release anything, while the deal signed with Netflix didn't prevent to release SOTT and D&P SDE, and it still dont prevent them to release Symbole Sde.
Truth is more the estate doesn't WANT to release anything. Releasing the vault is not where the money is ( D&P : 75k copies WW, surely the Symbole SDE would have sold 35k). These lawyers think they Can make more money by suing the whole wide World.
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Reply #22 posted 02/04/25 7:04am

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RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:
Some bad decisions were made and now they can’t even release anything! Absurd! I wonder if the planned musical is still a go.
Be careful, what is absurd is to believe the current estate they can't release anything, while the deal signed with Netflix didn't prevent to release SOTT and D&P SDE, and it still dont prevent them to release Symbole Sde. Truth is more the estate doesn't WANT to release anything. Releasing the vault is not where the money is ( D&P : 75k copies WW, surely the Symbole SDE would have sold 35k). These lawyers think they Can make more money by suing the whole wide World.

We don't really know what are the terms and actual constraints of whatever was signed, but I reckon it comes across as they just don't want to release anything new.

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There must be a way to release something. And it doesn't even have to be really good lol Just a little set every once in a while in order not to totally move away from the spotlight.

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Reply #23 posted 02/04/25 2:02pm

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RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:



Some bad decisions were made and now they can’t even release anything! Absurd!

I wonder if the planned musical is still a go.


Be careful, what is absurd is to believe the current estate they can't release anything, while the deal signed with Netflix didn't prevent to release SOTT and D&P SDE, and it still dont prevent them to release Symbole Sde.
Truth is more the estate doesn't WANT to release anything. Releasing the vault is not where the money is ( D&P : 75k copies WW, surely the Symbole SDE would have sold 35k). These lawyers think they Can make more money by suing the whole wide World.


I agree. There isn’t any real money in streaming so the estate should go all in on being creative and spending money to make money. The Celebrations I’m sure bring in money but that can’t be the be all and end all. Seems to me the estate is negotiating with Netflix to scrap the documentary and it’s just a “how much do we have to pay Netflix” to be done with it. I’m sure the estate doesn’t want to pay millions to back .
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Reply #24 posted 02/04/25 2:16pm

jungleshot1

SoulAlive said:

makes you wonder…

Exactly what type of deal did they sign with Netflix?! And when will it ever be resolved?

Seems like they really made a huge mistake.


I’m sure Troy Carter who was the previous administrator on behalf of Comerica received a lot of angry calls from Londell, Spicer, Primary Wave! Let’s say Netflix paid the estate the rights to make a documentary $15 million. We know that the new regime doesn’t want it released. This tells me that they don’t have that type of liquid money to pay it back and are looking to negotiate a lower price.Its a standstill now on money. That’s my belief. They don’t want it released but don’t have the money to settle with Netflix.
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Reply #25 posted 02/04/25 4:11pm

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jungleshot1 said:

RODSERLING said:



Be careful, what is absurd is to believe the current estate they can't release anything, while the deal signed with Netflix didn't prevent to release SOTT and D&P SDE, and it still dont prevent them to release Symbole Sde.
Truth is more the estate doesn't WANT to release anything. Releasing the vault is not where the money is ( D&P : 75k copies WW, surely the Symbole SDE would have sold 35k). These lawyers think they Can make more money by suing the whole wide World.


I agree. There isn’t any real money in streaming so the estate should go all in on being creative and spending money to make money. The Celebrations I’m sure bring in money but that can’t be the be all and end all. Seems to me the estate is negotiating with Netflix to scrap the documentary and it’s just a “how much do we have to pay Netflix” to be done with it. I’m sure the estate doesn’t want to pay millions to back .


The estate is blocking the Netflix Doc, but there s no question hère to pay Netflix back some money. Why would they?
The estate s main argument is that the delivered doc was supposed to last 6 hours, not nine. So there s 3 extra hours of Prince being not that nice person his fans worship. The Guy who got it all wrong was the director who delivered instead something nasty on Prince that had zero chance to be validated by the Prince estate, whose job IS to guarantee no harm Would bé done to their brand.
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Reply #26 posted 02/04/25 9:10pm

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psyche2 said:



RODSERLING said:


SoulAlive said:
Some bad decisions were made and now they can’t even release anything! Absurd! I wonder if the planned musical is still a go.

Be careful, what is absurd is to believe the current estate they can't release anything, while the deal signed with Netflix didn't prevent to release SOTT and D&P SDE, and it still dont prevent them to release Symbole Sde. Truth is more the estate doesn't WANT to release anything. Releasing the vault is not where the money is ( D&P : 75k copies WW, surely the Symbole SDE would have sold 35k). These lawyers think they Can make more money by suing the whole wide World.


We don't really know what are the terms and actual constraints of whatever was signed, but I reckon it comes across as they just don't want to release anything new.


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There must be a way to release something. And it doesn't even have to be really good lol Just a little set every once in a while in order not to totally move away from the spotlight.


They did release 3 singles last year, one being the unreleased alternate mix of Silver Tongue so it's obvious that they can release something if they really want to.
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Reply #27 posted 02/05/25 1:41am

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RODSERLING said:

jungleshot1 said:



I agree. There isn’t any real money in streaming so the estate should go all in on being creative and spending money to make money. The Celebrations I’m sure bring in money but that can’t be the be all and end all. Seems to me the estate is negotiating with Netflix to scrap the documentary and it’s just a “how much do we have to pay Netflix” to be done with it. I’m sure the estate doesn’t want to pay millions to back .


The estate is blocking the Netflix Doc, but there s no question hère to pay Netflix back some money. Why would they?
The estate s main argument is that the delivered doc was supposed to last 6 hours, not nine. So there s 3 extra hours of Prince being not that nice person his fans worship. The Guy who got it all wrong was the director who delivered instead something nasty on Prince that had zero chance to be validated by the Prince estate, whose job IS to guarantee no harm Would bé done to their brand.


So By that thinking, if say Ezra Edelman edited the nine hour documentary down to six hours the estate couldn’t block it regardless of the content. Even if it was still harmful to the estate finances or as they say, caused generational .
harm. I can’t believe literally the legal ground that they have is the length. So by that standpoint, if six hours still was very very negative they couldn’t stop it?
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jungleshot1 said:

RODSERLING said:



The estate is blocking the Netflix Doc, but there s no question hère to pay Netflix back some money. Why would they?
The estate s main argument is that the delivered doc was supposed to last 6 hours, not nine. So there s 3 extra hours of Prince being not that nice person his fans worship. The Guy who got it all wrong was the director who delivered instead something nasty on Prince that had zero chance to be validated by the Prince estate, whose job IS to guarantee no harm Would bé done to their brand.


So By that thinking, if say Ezra Edelman edited the nine hour documentary down to six hours the estate couldn’t block it regardless of the content. Even if it was still harmful to the estate finances or as they say, caused generational .
harm. I can’t believe literally the legal ground that they have is the length. So by that standpoint, if six hours still was very very negative they couldn’t stop it?


Nobody would be already interested in an already too long six hours documentary about Prince, even less about a negative Doc. That thing was a complete marketing failure, they really fucked it all up, and that's not the estate s fault ( for once)
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RODSERLING said:

jungleshot1 said:
So By that thinking, if say Ezra Edelman edited the nine hour documentary down to six hours the estate couldn’t block it regardless of the content. Even if it was still harmful to the estate finances or as they say, caused generational . harm. I can’t believe literally the legal ground that they have is the length. So by that standpoint, if six hours still was very very negative they couldn’t stop it?
Nobody would be already interested in an already too long six hours documentary about Prince, even less about a negative Doc. That thing was a complete marketing failure, they really fucked it all up, and that's not the estate s fault ( for once)

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We disagree on that. I'm positive I'm not the only one who'd be interested in a 9 (or more) hours long documentary on Prince IF it is done right. He lived an incredibly busy life and worked as much as 9 ordinary people combined.

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