Strawberrylova123 said:

SpookyPurple said:

According to the article, Netflix and Edelman retain final cut rights. If that's a stipulation in the contract, then that means Netflix doesn't require the estate's creative approval for its release. From previous articles, it sounds like there was also a stipulation in the contract that the doc not be longer than 6 hours. This seems like what the estate is using as legal leverage to block the release. The estate obviously probably doesn't care about the length but the content - but they can only block the release using whatever legal levearge they have - in this case, the length issue from what we know. If that is indeed all the leverage they have, then I have no doubt that - if push comes to shove - Netflix will just adjust to clear any legal hurdles and release it. Right now it seems like both sides are waging a PR war - Netflix/Edelman with the NYT story and the estate with their tweets or whatever. I think Netflix wins.

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I have a feeling that this doc will get released somehow and the estate will release some kind of rebuttel.

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Oh christ, imagine if Netflix is finally able to release the documentary, and instead of getting back on track with vault releases, the estate instead pivots and puts all of their focus into creating a counter-documentary to rival Netflix's.

It would be so fucking ridiculous and counterintuitive, which naturally means Londell would want to do it

bozojones said:

This is all ridiculous. How is this going to get him cancelled or hurt his legacy? It's not. Everything except the Jill Jones story was well known long before this interview and even if 100% true it's not enough to be concerned with. This reminds me of Lust U Always & Extraloveable being left off 1999 SDE because the lyrics might get him cancelled. As if he didn't release Sister 44 years ago, it's still in print, uncensored, and his legacy is fine.

The estate needs to just put out a statement addressing their feelings, stop fighting the doc's release, and get on with releasing more music... the one thing that will always secure his legacy. This PR battle just makes them look like they're hiding something and increases interest in the salacious aspects.

I love that everyone calls him Makemillions it makes me happy

jasopig said:

Jill Jones didn't technically accuse Prince of assault. Or, if she did, she also confessed to assault. If a woman (or a man for that matter) slapped me, my reaction wouldn't be the same as Prince's (presuming the story is true). BUT, it's not victim blaming to say "you reap what you sow" if a person strikes another and then deals with the response. Some may say Prince is guilty of "assault". I'd say he's guilty of defending himself.

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"Defending himself"? Jesus Christ! You say „punching her in the face over and over” is self-defence against a young woman who probably weighed about 110lbs?

Strawberrylova123 said:

Londell is having a meltdown on twitter. https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ https://x.com/londellmcmi...us26qn0pRQ

Whoa, temper tantrum much.

This is highly unprofessional.

Instead of ranting McMillions should negotiate an agreement with Netflix to release this doc so that both parties are satisfied. Isn't he a self proclaimed hot shot Entertainment lawyer: then do your job and negotiate your way out of this contract.

Demanding 14x pages of change while he only (according to the article) has fact check rights and length of the doc is not the way to go.

Maybe he should create his own doc and combat the alleged misinformation with McMillions version of the Truth. Because P's Truth will not be found in his Vault: he has deleted or damaged all of his personal stuff.

So all we basically have is the perspective of the employees/GFs/managers/engineers/etc on certain situations. And this will differ across the board because P was a complex human being and acted differently to other peeps.

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RODSERLING said:

One could resolve/ balance that JJ incident, by just adding in the doc that didn't prevent her from demanding an album entirely produced by Prince released a few years AFTER the incident. She would pass then a bit for a gold-digger. It didn't seem to bother her at the time to record an entire album produced by his serial smacker.

lol "demanding"

"Yet for a time, she still loved him and wanted to be with him, and stayed in his orbit for many more years." -NYTimes

Bold suggestion on your part, to "resolve" a conflict in a documentary you haven't seen, based on an article you apparently haven't read. (Tricky, those paywalls.)

That said, I don't think deliberately setting out to tarnish the reputation of an abuse victim is necessarily the best way to restore "balance" here.

Kares said:

jasopig said:

Jill Jones didn't technically accuse Prince of assault. Or, if she did, she also confessed to assault. If a woman (or a man for that matter) slapped me, my reaction wouldn't be the same as Prince's (presuming the story is true). BUT, it's not victim blaming to say "you reap what you sow" if a person strikes another and then deals with the response. Some may say Prince is guilty of "assault". I'd say he's guilty of defending himself.

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"Defending himself"? Jesus Christ! You say „punching her in the face over and over” is self-defence against a young woman who probably weighed about 110lbs?

If the story is true, (which honestly, I don't doubt that it is) she slapped him in a fit of jealousy about him kissing some other chick that she brought to his hotel room. I'm pretty sure that was no soft little love tap, there was anger pulsating in her 110lbs and she also says they tussled before he punched her which means she wasn't backing off. And I'm assuming she did it in front of the other chick, knowing damn well Prince would feel humiliated and very likely overreact, which it appears he did. She didn't press charges and she stayed in his orbit for many years following. It's something that they both likely regretted ever happening but it is what it is, her story to tell about her time in his story. Makemillions just seems worried this coming out in the documentry is going to taint the estate's brand, not Prince's legacy.

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dustoff said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Kares said:

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"Defending himself"? Jesus Christ! You say „punching her in the face over and over” is self-defence against a young woman who probably weighed about 110lbs?

If the story is true, (which honestly, I don't doubt that it is) she slapped him in a fit of jealousy about him kissing some other chick that she brought to his hotel room. I'm pretty sure that was no soft little love tap, there was anger pulsating in her 110lbs and she also says they tussled before he punched her which means she wasn't backing off. And I'm assuming she did it in front of the other chick, knowing damn well Prince would feel humiliated and very likely overreact, which he did. She didn't press charges and she stayed in his orbit for many years following. It's something that they both likely regretted ever happening but it is what it is, her story to tell about her time in his story. Makemillions just seems worried this coming out in the documentry is going to taint the estate's brand, not Prince's legacy.

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I read the article, thanks. Repeated punches to the face are in no way understandable or justifiable reactions to a woman's face slap, especially if that face slap was (most probably) deserved. And it's definitely not justifiable 'self-defence' – the only thing that might have been in danger was his ego, not his life.

Kares said:

jasopig said:

Jill Jones didn't technically accuse Prince of assault. Or, if she did, she also confessed to assault. If a woman (or a man for that matter) slapped me, my reaction wouldn't be the same as Prince's (presuming the story is true). BUT, it's not victim blaming to say "you reap what you sow" if a person strikes another and then deals with the response. Some may say Prince is guilty of "assault". I'd say he's guilty of defending himself.

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"Defending himself"? Jesus Christ! You say „punching her in the face over and over” is self-defence against a young woman who probably weighed about 110lbs?

And just how much do you think Prince weighed? He was probably stronger, but I doubt he weighed much more than she did. She might have even been taller than him. (Not sure how tall she is.)

ItsOnlyMountains said:

Kares said:

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"Defending himself"? Jesus Christ! You say „punching her in the face over and over” is self-defence against a young woman who probably weighed about 110lbs?

And just how much do you think Prince weighed? He was probably stronger, but I doubt he weighed much more than she did. She might have even been taller than him. (Not sure how tall she is.)

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He was athletic, so most probably strong too. But this is just silly and pathetic to try to defend a man repeatedly PUNCHING a woman in the face. Give me a break.

Kares said:

ItsOnlyMountains said:

And just how much do you think Prince weighed? He was probably stronger, but I doubt he weighed much more than she did. She might have even been taller than him. (Not sure how tall she is.)

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He was athletic, so most probably strong too. But this is just silly and pathetic to try to defend a man repeatedly PUNCHING a woman in the face. Give me a break.

No where in my post did I defend him. I pointed out that he was probably close to the same size and weight as Jill.

Kares said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

If the story is true, (which honestly, I don't doubt that it is) she slapped him in a fit of jealousy about him kissing some other chick that she brought to his hotel room. I'm pretty sure that was no soft little love tap, there was anger pulsating in her 110lbs and she also says they tussled before he punched her which means she wasn't backing off. And I'm assuming she did it in front of the other chick, knowing damn well Prince would feel humiliated and very likely overreact, which he did. She didn't press charges and she stayed in his orbit for many years following. It's something that they both likely regretted ever happening but it is what it is, her story to tell about her time in his story. Makemillions just seems worried this coming out in the documentry is going to taint the estate's brand, not Prince's legacy.

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I read the article, thanks. Repeated punches to the face are in no way understandable or justifiable reactions to a woman's face slap, especially if that face slap was (most probably) deserved. And it's definitely not justifiable 'self-defence' – the only thing that might have been in danger was his ego, not his life.

He didn't punch her until after they tussled, which makes it seem that she wouldn't and didn't stop her assault on him after the slap and likely with more aggression, until he put a stop to it by the means he felt was necessary. It was 40 years ago and Prince is dead, there's not a damn thing that can be done about it now beyond unnecessary pearl clutching.

ItsOnlyMountains said:

Kares said:

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He was athletic, so most probably strong too. But this is just silly and pathetic to try to defend a man repeatedly PUNCHING a woman in the face. Give me a break.

No where in my post did I defend him. I pointed out that he was probably close to the same size and weight as Jill.

Jill is a big woman, 5'9

bizzie said:

Vannormal said:

Remember, he's dead. As dead as can be, and, most important, no will! No personal legacy plan.

So what's going on now has nothing to do with what his wishes were or weren't.

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Prince had decades to tell his own story. He didn't. One of the reasons he sued uptown a quarter of a century ago is that their books were hurting his potential to release his own books.

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It kinda looks like he might have started to work on that retrospective on his life and work towards the end, but considering how fickle he was it is a massive question if his autobiography would have actually gotten published (considering he was already whining about him needing a way to get out of the contract before he had even signed it), let alone some kind of documentary series.

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Don't forget that there is an unreleased (and unfinished?) documentary about the Lovesexy era somewhere in the vault -- thank fuck once upon a time the BBC got an excerpt of it and broadcast it. There is the Kevin Smith ONA film. But were those actually kept? Was all the unedited footage kept? We don't know. Could be those were destroyed.

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Famz say "why no Moonage Daydream-like documentary?" Using what? The mediocre or downright ridiculous interviews Prince gave? The man talked about goddamn chemtrails in a televised interview.

@Vannormal, Is here a way for me to view the excepert? I might've already seen it but don't think so... thank you for mentioning it.

databank said:

We wont be getting any new realease anytime soon but just in fighting and PR wars between Ezra/Netflix and Londell and Spicy. this will most likely drag into all of 2025.

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mclihah2 said:

RODSERLING said:

dustoff said:

lol "demanding""Yet for a time, she still loved him and wanted to be with him, and stayed in his orbit for many more years." -NYTimes

Bold suggestion on your part, to "resolve" a conflict in a documentary you haven't seen, based on an article you apparently haven't read. (Tricky, those paywalls.)

That said, I don't think deliberately setting out to tarnish the reputation of an abuse victim is necessarily the best way to restore "balance" here.

I read the article since, thanks. I didn't see the doc, just as everyone else here. That didn't prevent that topic to contain 9 pages and continuing. You could be more careful and call JJ " alleged victim", not " victim", unless you have proof Prince really smacked her repeatedly, that could be truth, or that may be BS as well. So when you have absolutely no proof beside a testimony after 40 years of silence, it is safe to say there should be at least some contradiction presented here. Or else, everybody could tell everything just for trash'sake [Edited 9/13/24 5:23am]

For trash sake?

Walk a mile in a victims shoes.

Time has nothing to do with it, never.

TheTruth123 said:

bizzie said:

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Prince had decades to tell his own story. He didn't. One of the reasons he sued uptown a quarter of a century ago is that their books were hurting his potential to release his own books.

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It kinda looks like he might have started to work on that retrospective on his life and work towards the end, but considering how fickle he was it is a massive question if his autobiography would have actually gotten published (considering he was already whining about him needing a way to get out of the contract before he had even signed it), let alone some kind of documentary series.

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Don't forget that there is an unreleased (and unfinished?) documentary about the Lovesexy era somewhere in the vault -- thank fuck once upon a time the BBC got an excerpt of it and broadcast it. There is the Kevin Smith ONA film. But were those actually kept? Was all the unedited footage kept? We don't know. Could be those were destroyed.

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Famz say "why no Moonage Daydream-like documentary?" Using what? The mediocre or downright ridiculous interviews Prince gave? The man talked about goddamn chemtrails in a televised interview.

@Vannormal, Is here a way for me to view the excepert? I might've already seen it but don't think so... thank you for mentioning it.

TheTruth(123) is i'm Vannormal, and never that Bizzie.

Strawberrylova123 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

We wont be getting any new realease anytime soon but just in fighting and PR wars between Ezra/Netflix and Londell and Spicy. this will most likely drag into all of 2025.

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I'll bet we will get another colored vinyl release of Purple Rain (2015 remaster ) around next year's PR 2.0 celebration instead of an exciting new release.

There's so much already released material that is not in print on CD and/or on vinyl. There's absolutely NO reason some more of that can't come out while they have this stupid PR battle. They were going good for awhile, I'm happy I have things like 3121 & The Truth and a bunch of others on vinyl now. But there's still more you can't go in a store and buy and only a moron who cared nothing about the music which IS the legacy wouldn't get that stuff out on the market.

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bizzie said:

bozojones said:

Strawberrylova123 said: