Strawberrylova123 said:

petroglyf said:

Exactly, I got the impresssion that the majority of the material is his accomplishments, the music, the performances, sprinkled with personal anectdotes. THe sum apparently reads like a triumph over circumstance. Since there are no hidden bombshells at this point (the worst news in the doc apparently is making the rounds in the press) there is nothing more to hide.

I for one am not interested in a hagiography of a demigod whose heels never touched the ground.

The fans who are siding with Londell and Spicy are making things worse. We are never going to get new material until this documentary is sorted out. People are taling to the press, the storties are coming out, release it and move on.

If there is a legitimate concern about the negative impact on Prince's MUSICAL LEGACY, how his music is released, who plays it, promotes or licenses it for generations to come . . . there is reason to pause and protect.

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greenlovespurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

The fans who are siding with Londell and Spicy are making things worse. We are never going to get new material until this documentary is sorted out. People are taling to the press, the storties are coming out, release it and move on.

If there is a legitimate concern about the negative impact on Prince's MUSICAL LEGACY, how his music is released, who plays it, promotes or licenses it for generations to come . . . there is reason to pause and protect.

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Prince is not going to get canceled. His songs will continue to play on the radio, purple rain and Nothing compares 2 u will continue to be performed by other artist for the 100th time, and people will continue to praise his guitar playing. Miles Davis, John Lennon, Elvis, James Brown and Michael Jackson have been accused of multiple problematic things, they're still praised for their music.

Strawberrylova123 said:

greenlovespurple said:

If there is a legitimate concern about the negative impact on Prince's MUSICAL LEGACY, how his music is released, who plays it, promotes or licenses it for generations to come . . . there is reason to pause and protect.

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Prince is not going to get canceled. His songs will continue to play on the radio, purple rain and Nothing compares 2 u will continue to be performed by other artist for the 100th time, and people will continue to praise his guitar playing. Miles Davis, John Lennon, Elvis, James Brown and Michael Jackson have been accused of multiple problematic things, they're still praised for their music.

I get this . . . which is why I said, if there is a "legitimate concern." There very well may be and the responsibility of his legacy does not lie in our hands. There will be alot of blame and finger pointing if this is released and seriously damages Prince. And there's no taking it back.

Strawberrylova123 said:

lust said:

leecaldon said:

greenlovespurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Prince is not going to get canceled. His songs will continue to play on the radio, purple rain and Nothing compares 2 u will continue to be performed by other artist for the 100th time, and people will continue to praise his guitar playing. Miles Davis, John Lennon, Elvis, James Brown and Michael Jackson have been accused of multiple problematic things, they're still praised for their music.

I get this . . . which is why I said, if there is a "legitimate concern." There very well may be and the responsibility of his legacy does not lie in our hands. There will be alot of blame and finger pointing if this is released and seriously damages Prince. And there's no taking it back.

There isn't a "legitimate concern" because Londell and Charles aren't legitimate professionals. They're grifters with zero interest in Prince's actual legacy, that being his music.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Whoa. I read the NYT article. I think that the Edelman docu is both expansive and stark. I think that it would offer a pretty clear-cut tale, as much as it could, of who the man was.

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Might not all be what we (me)/ people want to see, but maybe what people need to see about this hyper-talented artistic being who pushed his own limits, and concealed some of them--a bit to his detriment, but we all face such challenges in setting our own omissions, don't we? Such exposure of this aspect of his personality might not take away from his brilliance, or his marketability to the masses. From in the article where Questlove seems to suggest, the doc might fit as an important work to serve to humanize the hero--that people can use the observance to help build a heigher plateau for a society.

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If it does come out in a form recognizable to the original cut, I'm positive that, even as expansive as a 9-hour original documentary would be, this piece of work would foster a springwell of "Prince-tales" and personality portraits throughout the different eras and segments of his career.

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With all of that said, I guess I'm in the "let it be shown" camp!

Personally I think it's great that Netflix hired a serious documentary filmmaker to make a serious piece of work. I'm not interested in the fluff docs they release on Tom Brady and David Beckham, etc. When people here say "it should just be about the music" - which I'm sure a large part of it is - what exactly do you want to see/hear? I'm seriously curious what that would look like in your minds.

Ultimately, people will either watch or they won't. No one is obligated to. But if all of the serious allegations against MJ haven't seemingly affected his popularity and legacy, not sure why anything that's been reported so far would affect Prince's. Also - young people have zero attention spans and they're definitely not watching 9 hours of anything one thing!

Double also - the cat is now out of the bag - just release it already.

SpookyPurple said:

When people here say "it should just be about the music" - which I'm sure a large part of it is - what exactly do you want to see/hear? I'm seriously curious what that would look like in your minds.

First of all, you can go the traditional route. This going to be an 9 part documentary? Break Prince career/life up into nine parts. Obviously, some eras will need more attention than others.

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In my mind, I don't need/care about sordid details of Prince's upbringing or relationships. What I do want are delicious details on how he crafted the bassline for "Let's Work."

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Sure, humanize Prince. Give audiences info about how his troubled childhood and familial relationships influenced his influenced Prince's relationships with peers, women, bandmates, etc. Introduce new generations to his backstory. Yet, I don't want his personal life to be the focus. That shit is the boring part of Prince's life. We all got that kind of drama, what we don't have is rehearsal footage of a musical genius in action. They have literally hundreds of hours of unreleased of Prince creating and they are gonna spend time focusing on bandmates recounting drama from 40+ years ago?

You can also go the more artistic route (and I think they should):

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Have you seen the Bowie Documentary "moonage daydream"? If not, let me break it down:

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1. Non-linear narrative: The film jumps back and forth through different periods of Bowie's life and career, creating thematic connections rather than following a strict timeline.
2. Archival footage: It extensively uses archival footage, including concerts, interviews, and behind-the-scenes material, much of which had never been seen before.
3. Visual collages: The documentary incorporates various visual elements, including animation and abstract imagery, to create a psychedelic, dream-like atmosphere.
4. Thematic organization: Rather than following a chronological structure, the film is organized around themes in Bowie's life and art, such as creativity, identity, and spirituality.
5. Bowie's narration: The film is largely narrated by Bowie himself, using excerpts from interviews throughout his career.
6. Music-driven: As expected for a film about a musician, the structure is heavily influenced by Bowie's music, with songs often driving transitions between segments.
7. Lack of talking heads: Unlike many documentaries, "Moonage Daydream" doesn't feature new interviews with friends, family, or collaborators, focusing entirely on Bowie's own words and archival material.

Now, I am not saying you have to do a Prince documentary in this fashion. Yet, I'd like to see a documentary that's a bit more avante purple and artistic than most. Point its, it can and should eb wall to wall music. Film (even a documentary) is images and sound. I don't need a lot of sound bites of others telling tales. I want the music to drive the entire thing....

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skywalker said:

RODSERLING said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Prince is not going to get canceled. His songs will continue to play on the radio, purple rain and Nothing compares 2 u will continue to be performed by other artist for the 100th time, and people will continue to praise his guitar playing. Miles Davis, John Lennon, Elvis, James Brown and Michael Jackson have been accused of multiple problematic things, they're still praised for their music.

Lol I never saw an artist death with so little media and audience attention than James Brown. Here in France nobody cared, and nowhere in the world it resulted by charting albums. It was no Ray Charles. JB was already an has been since decades, while his achievements were great. It will be worst for Sly Stone ( incredibly still alive!)

I was shocked that Prince's super bowl performance, six weeks after Brown's death, didn't have any kind of tribute. He was probably the best suited musician in the world to do it.

Edelman-“How can you tell the truth about someone who never told the truth about himself?”

Prince-"Life, it ain't real funky, unless it's got that POP!"

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i haven't read all of the pages of this thread, but i'm sure we all said the same thing:

"WE KNOW!!! NOW, PLEASE RELEASE THE DOC!!!"

bizzie said:

RODSERLING said:

I can't read the article, but I m amazed they would have paid 64 millions $ for special access and use of the vault, and actually not using it. That makes no fucking sense at all.

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Why do you insist on making a massive ass of yourself? Why do you invent horseshit instead of reading the article?

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JorisE73 said:

rap said:

Oh, but I can. And I'm replying to someone who lacks basic grammar.

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Lol, English isn't even my second language so lets see you use basic grammar in Dutch, German, Spanish, italian and basic Danish. Bet you can't with your one language education.

Clearly. As this is primarily an English-language website, I do not need to.

SoulAlive said:

Didn’t the estate also have a problem with another director who was hired to do the doc? I believe it was a woman. They should probably just try to make their own documentary.It’s obvious that they don’t want a balanced,warts-and all,objective view of Prince’s life.

I forget what happened there, but yeah, Oscar nominated Ava Duvernay was going to make the doc at one point.

SoulAlive said:

Didn’t the estate also have a problem with another director who was hired to do the doc? I believe it was a woman. They should probably just try to make their own documentary.It’s obvious that they don’t want a balanced,warts-and all,objective view of Prince’s life.

Yes, Ava DuVernay was orignally slated to create the documentary. She left over "creative differences." But I think that was before Llondell weaseled his way in, although I'm not 100% positive.

I hope this documentary is permanently shelved. This isn't about "humanizing" Prince. It's about using a dead man as a vehicle to make millions of dollars from viewership from unsubstantiated hearsay and salaciousness. Fans in support of this doc just want to feed their curiosity over sordid details at the expense of Prince's dignity.

lustmealways said:

Can someone tell Makemillions to make an org account. I think that would be funny. [Edited 9/10/24 9:32am]

He's got one

bashraka said:

I hope this documentary is permanently shelved. This isn't about "humanizing" Prince. It's about using a dead man as a vehicle to make millions of dollars from viewership from unsubstantiated hearsay and salaciousness. Fans in support of this doc just want to feed their curiosity over sordid details at the expense of Prince's dignity.

The doc wouldn't make millions of dollars...

skywalker said:

SpookyPurple said:

When people here say "it should just be about the music" - which I'm sure a large part of it is - what exactly do you want to see/hear? I'm seriously curious what that would look like in your minds.

First of all, you can go the traditional route. This going to be an 9 part documentary? Break Prince career/life up into nine parts. Obviously, some eras will need more attention than others.

-

In my mind, I don't need/care about sordid details of Prince's upbringing or relationships. What I do want are delicious details on how he crafted the bassline for "Let's Work."

-

Sure, humanize Prince. Give audiences info about how his troubled childhood and familial relationships influenced his influenced Prince's relationships with peers, women, bandmates, etc. Introduce new generations to his backstory. Yet, I don't want his personal life to be the focus. That shit is the boring part of Prince's life. We all got that kind of drama, what we don't have is rehearsal footage of a musical genius in action. They have literally hundreds of hours of unreleased of Prince creating and they are gonna spend time focusing on bandmates recounting drama from 40+ years ago?

You can also go the more artistic route (and I think they should):

-

Have you seen the Bowie Documentary "moonage daydream"? If not, let me break it down:

-

1. Non-linear narrative: The film jumps back and forth through different periods of Bowie's life and career, creating thematic connections rather than following a strict timeline.
2. Archival footage: It extensively uses archival footage, including concerts, interviews, and behind-the-scenes material, much of which had never been seen before.
3. Visual collages: The documentary incorporates various visual elements, including animation and abstract imagery, to create a psychedelic, dream-like atmosphere.
4. Thematic organization: Rather than following a chronological structure, the film is organized around themes in Bowie's life and art, such as creativity, identity, and spirituality.
5. Bowie's narration: The film is largely narrated by Bowie himself, using excerpts from interviews throughout his career.
6. Music-driven: As expected for a film about a musician, the structure is heavily influenced by Bowie's music, with songs often driving transitions between segments.
7. Lack of talking heads: Unlike many documentaries, "Moonage Daydream" doesn't feature new interviews with friends, family, or collaborators, focusing entirely on Bowie's own words and archival material.

Now, I am not saying you have to do a Prince documentary in this fashion. Yet, I'd like to see a documentary that's a bit more avante purple and artistic than most. Point its, it can and should eb wall to wall music. Film (even a documentary) is images and sound. I don't need a lot of sound bites of others telling tales. I want the music to drive the entire thing....

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[Edited 9/10/24 14:46pm]

I think a doc like that on Prince would be very cool as well if there was the material to support it. That said, Prince hardly did any interviews and the NYT article says that there was a lack of candid material in the vault, so there wouldn't be much to go on in that respect. As far as all the rehearsal footage - I personally think a little of that goes a long way. I just wish they'd just release more concerts separately. And since Prince largely wrote/created on his own, I don't know how we'd gain insight into his songs, etc. without interviews. Now, there's a way to do that without it being "talking heads" - you could interview Wendy while in a recording studio as she shows the genesis of certain guitar parts or techniques, etc.

bashraka said:

rap said:

JorisE73 said:

Lol, English isn't even my second language so lets see you use basic grammar in Dutch, German, Spanish, italian and basic Danish. Bet you can't with your one language education.

Clearly. As this is primarily an English-language website, I do not need to.

Neither do I because evryboidy clearly understands what I post and only useless grammar Nazis have issues with non-issues

bashraka said:

I hope this documentary is permanently shelved. This isn't about "humanizing" Prince. It's about using a dead man as a vehicle to make millions of dollars from viewership from unsubstantiated hearsay and salaciousness. Fans in support of this doc just want to feed their curiosity over sordid details at the expense of Prince's dignity.

I feel like some fans are willing to call anything that doesn't paint Prince as an angel "unsubstantiated hearsay and salaciousness" - the truth is it sounds like the documentary was made with dignity to Prince and shows all facets of him - the good, the bad, and the genius.


And the facets that could be considered "bad", doesn't sound like they are there just to grab headlines. They are there because it is simply, the truth