RODSERLING said:

The thing is with MJ,he s so huge that nobody cares. His music legacy and image are so well-builded, so unquestionable that no other accusations could damage that.

I would argue that Prince wouldn't be cancelled because of the few negative things that are mentioned in this documentary.The estate is just being overly paranoid.

Fantastic article!

this doc. sounds very interesting, it is about the man behind the music: the good, the bad and the ugly. And not some rehash of the rise to fame boring stuff.

And ofcourse it will never be released as McMillions wants 17x pages of change

Their tweets are childish; boohoo cry me a river, P did what he did because he was only human.

I am sooo glad the article was published: the rumors about the Netflix deal issues are now confirmed and makes the Estate looks like what it is: just lawyers in control.

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muleFunk said:

strawberryletter23 said:

What about the side that simply just wants the entire truth of who Prince was, faults and all? I think that is the camp most people fall under here including the maker of the documentary

That hasn't been discussed ad nauseum here and other places?

There is only one way to find out

bizzie said:

rap said:

Valid question. Well Bort?

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It's 2024. You're on the fucking internet. Google is 25+ years old. Learn to fish.

So easily triggered.

Trufunksoulja said:

Fantastic article!

this doc. sounds very interesting, it is about the man behind the music: the good, the bad and the ugly. And not some rehash of the rise to fame boring stuff.

And ofcourse it will never be released as McMillions wants 17x pages of change

Their tweets are childish; boohoo cry me a river, P did what he did because he was only human.

I am sooo glad the article was published: the rumors about the Netflix deal issues are now confirmed and makes the Estate looks like what it is: just lawyers in control.

Exactly.

But, it's not "just lawyers in control", but

"just lawyers losing grip and control."

rap said:

JorisE73 said:

BOrt you're replying to someone who can't even post clickable links. don;t bother.

Oh, but I can. And I'm replying to someone who lacks basic grammar.

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Lol, English isn't even my second language so lets see you use basic grammar in Dutch, German, Spanish, italian and basic Danish. Bet you can't with your one language education.

SoulAlive said:

Vannormal said:

Trufunksoulja said:

Fantastic article!

this doc. sounds very interesting, it is about the man behind the music: the good, the bad and the ugly. And not some rehash of the rise to fame boring stuff.

And ofcourse it will never be released as McMillions wants 17x pages of change

Their tweets are childish; boohoo cry me a river, P did what he did because he was only human.

I am sooo glad the article was published: the rumors about the Netflix deal issues are now confirmed and makes the Estate looks like what it is: just lawyers in control.

Exactly.

But, it's not "just lawyers in control", but

"just lawyers losing grip and control."

wuhaha indeed, I stand corrected!

Prince won't be canceled.
James Brown isn't canceled

Miles Davis isn't canceled.

They're known for it, but that's all.
Prince is on a completely different level. He is human and acted wrong in some cases. Same as I can do sometimes in life.

To me it's quite dissapointing to read that even the Vault was staged. Not entirely a suprise, but still..

RODSERLING said:

I can't read the article, but I m amazed they would have paid 64 millions $ for special access and use of the vault, and actually not using it. That makes no fucking sense at all. And if it's not focused on the music and success ( and also failures), then I don't understand the point. They missed the target. I wouldn't be interested ONA 9 hour Elvis program about his private life, if it's not tightly tied to his music. I m baffled by such lack of vision from Netflix. They treat serial killers as sympathetic human being, I saw their docs about Quincy and Wham ( only about 1h30), they are dedicated 90% to the music, the lyrics, the struggle to make it, the successes on the charts, etc. And frankly everything about his protégées, the fact he had multiple girlfriends at the time, I never cared about, beside maybe Mayte and Sheila I. And I don't think most people care about women that were hot 30 or 40 years ago, and that made nothing significant beside Prince circle.

You need to find a way to read the article. This documentary sounds epic.

farnorth said:

Uptown said:

Read the article. Not shocked by any of the stuff in the article, mostly rehashed info with maybe a bit more detail of some things that are mostly known to us hardcore fans. I'm sure we all have an idea of what we think of Prince the person, but unless any of us actually knew him personally, it's all based on what either he has divulged, or what others have said so there's that. Highly doubtful these interviews would change much for me but it's always interesting to hear what they say, again, to me.

With that, the Piano and a Microphone footage alone would be fantastic to have.

Agree with this. Other than the Jill Jones incident, there was nothing in the article that I didn't already know. The "secret" was that there was no secret about Prince.

But reading the article made me very sad. It seems that the film manages to capture the pathos of the person Prince. The description of his being locked-up for 6 weeks in his bedroom (corroborated by two people from his childhood) was harrowing.

Yes. Reverend Art Erickson once said that. He knew him as a child. The only thing in there was a bed and piano. So he learned to play the piano.

endlessstarlight said:

To me it's quite dissapointing to read that even the Vault was staged. Not entirely a suprise, but still..

The Vault was staged?

leecaldon said:

endlessstarlight said:

To me it's quite dissapointing to read that even the Vault was staged. Not entirely a suprise, but still..

The Vault was staged?

It's actually an assumption of the director. But they didn't found anyting sponteneous in the vault. Some things were, but they were damaged.
They didn't go through everything I think.

Couldn't explain it better

TrcikyChristopher said:

My 2 cents:

The article makes it very clear that Prince, such as all of us, was a complex person.

Traumas and triumphs make us who we are.

The USA Today headline in their share of the story is quite misleading and click-baity.

One prime example: In the JJ story, it's stated that SHE allegedly slapped him first.

Regardless of how you feel about it, this was a man in his then-20s, at possibly the pinnacle of his fame and power, who had women throwing themselves at him. A man who, by all accounts, seemed extremely insecure behind closed doors. The "Prince" we saw was an image, a persona that he created to mask those insecurities because, at the end of the day, he had a job to do.

JJ, for whatever reason, was jealous because her friend was probably into P and slapped 20something year old, Purple Rain-era Prince.

A man who reacted as any 20something year-old with unresolved trauma would.

Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. SHE allegedly smacked HIM first.

JJ has had a history of being... interesting when it comes to her dealings with Prince.

Her own unresolved trauma? Possibly.

W&L, Mayte and almost everyone else were able to understand him as he was and are able to

compartmentalize his humanity and musical genius.

My point is yes,he hurt a lot of people.

WE hurt a lot of people, whether we know it or not.

Prince tried through his life to right a lot of his wrongs. Sometimes he failed miserably but the genral consensus is that yes - he was an asshole. An asshole with good intentions for the most part. Even in his dealings with women. Even in business. But he was human. Expecting a man who was famous for almost all of his adult life to live the same way as any other dude from the midwest is ridiculous.

Holding him on a higher pedestal and expecting him to live under those expectations is even more ridiculous.

He was just Skipper with money. Yes, he was hard on others, but he was most hard on himself and that's why he is no longer with us.

endlessstarlight said:

endlessstarlight said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

endlessstarlight said:

To me it's quite dissapointing to read that even the Vault was staged. Not entirely a suprise, but still..

Well, work had already begun on archiving everything. If the director wanted shots of the vault then it'd have had to be staged?

Where in this article does it say that the vault was "staged" for the documentary? I don't think it does.

"But it soon became clear that there was almost nothing that was spontaneous or personal in the vault, almost no footage of him recording or writing. At one point, they were excited to discover a few home movies of Prince horsing around with girlfriends, but when they watched the tapes, they appeared to have been deliberately damaged. As Granato, one of two main editors on the film along with Gabriel Rhodes, put it, the vault was “not all that different from an Instagram account or a Facebook page.” It was manicured, curated, just the way Prince wanted it."

I have zero interest in watching a documentary that explores the dark side of Prince's personality. That's not because I think it will be unfair or unwarranted. I'm sure Prince probably was a jerk from time to time.

Instead, the reason I have no interest in watching it is that I don't care about Prince's personal relationships. Nor do I care about his family, his politics, his religion, his fashion or any of that. All i care about is the music. I want to see a documentary that focuses on music, period.

I understand all of those other things influenced his music. I don't mind them being touched on to provide context. I just don't want them to be the point of the documentary. Again, not because I worry about besmirching his name. It's just because I find them to be uninteresting.

lurker316 said:

I have zero interest in watching a documentary that explores the dark side of Prince's personality. That's not because I think it will be unfair or unwarranted. I'm sure Prince probably was a jerk from time to time.

Instead, the reason I have no interest in watching it is that I don't care about Prince's personal relationships. Nor do I care about his family, his politics, his religion, his fashion or any of that. All i care about is the music. I want to see a documentary that focuses on music, period.

I understand all of those other things influenced his music. I don't mind them being touched on to provide context. I just don't want them to be the point of the documentary. Again, not because I worry about besmirching his name. It's just because I find them to be uninteresting.

Yeah. So much time & energy wasted dealing with something else than what made him a unique human being : his music.

This doc seems to be missing the point

But let it out so we can at last focus on what's important : the next Vault releases.

This documentary is about Prince the man, its not a music documentary. We already know about the music.

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muleFunk said:

DotsofU said:

Thank you

OMG these comments.

Fine, give them another movie about how he was born in Minneapolis, father was tough, self taught, played Batman on piano, music pours out of hiim, deleted bassline from WDC

blah blah blah blah

He is not being torn down - god forbid we actually talk about how there was so much conflict between the man and the art and what kind of struggle that must have been.

Be glad that you are free but renounce being a lesbian

Champions women but then cheats on them and disposes of them

so much more

It has NOTHING to do with him being black - they are just bringing up topics that have long been avoided.

Good lord not everything is race related

And to say that white artists are not treated the same is complete and utter bullshit - what the fuck are they talking about?

and what, are we just NOT supposed to bring up this stuff just because he is black?

Stop only seeing what you want to see already

Dealing with this awful estate is painful enough but goddamn the fans make it worse sometimes

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I said what the fuck I said and stand on it. Why the need to hear Prince was sexually abused by his uncle? Why is Susannah commenting on how he was like in bed 38 years after they ended a relationship? I mean is that shit more important than the music? And EVERYTHING is Race Related when you are Black. EVERYTHING! We drive down the street it's some bullshit( Tyreek Hill). We have a former President that is calling out Nazis and they March down streets in America taunting black kids. A woman gets shot for praying in front of the police she called. Yes it's race related and when Prince ODs every fucking time he's mentioned 8 years later it's always "he died from a drug overdoses. George Michael and Tom Petty dies from drug ODs. It's mentioned and they don't mention it again. Prince was an asshole to many different people.He was a rock and roll motherfucker. I don't laud him as perfect but goddammit I don't want the only thing done to get more attention for TMZ gossip than the fucking music he did.

EXACTLY this! I wish people who never have to think about race, but made race consequential for black people EVERY DAY, stop telling black people to not make it about race. It's ALWAYS about race when you're black. Anything negative is MAGNIFIED tenfold and your true legacy is mixed into a gumbo of depravity and lost. It's infuriating.

This should be a work of scholarship about his musical legacy, with some personal anecdotes to fill in the gaps. It sounds like this is some rabbit hole about his trauma and its impact on his music. Who asked for that? This is the decisive documentary on Prince that we show our children to demonstrate his genius? I don't think so.

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muleFunk said:

DotsofU said:

Thank you

OMG these comments.

Fine, give them another movie about how he was born in Minneapolis, father was tough, self taught, played Batman on piano, music pours out of hiim, deleted bassline from WDC

blah blah blah blah

He is not being torn down - god forbid we actually talk about how there was so much conflict between the man and the art and what kind of struggle that must have been.

Be glad that you are free but renounce being a lesbian

Champions women but then cheats on them and disposes of them

so much more

It has NOTHING to do with him being black - they are just bringing up topics that have long been avoided.

Good lord not everything is race related

And to say that white artists are not treated the same is complete and utter bullshit - what the fuck are they talking about?

and what, are we just NOT supposed to bring up this stuff just because he is black?

Stop only seeing what you want to see already

Dealing with this awful estate is painful enough but goddamn the fans make it worse sometimes

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I said what the fuck I said and stand on it. Why the need to hear Prince was sexually abused by his uncle? Why is Susannah commenting on how he was like in bed 38 years after they ended a relationship? I mean is that shit more important than the music? And EVERYTHING is Race Related when you are Black. EVERYTHING! We drive down the street it's some bullshit( Tyreek Hill). We have a former President that is calling out Nazis and they March down streets in America taunting black kids. A woman gets shot for praying in front of the police she called. Yes it's race related and when Prince ODs every fucking time he's mentioned 8 years later it's always "he died from a drug overdoses. George Michael and Tom Petty dies from drug ODs. It's mentioned and they don't mention it again. Prince was an asshole to many different people.He was a rock and roll motherfucker. I don't laud him as perfect but goddammit I don't want the only thing done to get more attention for TMZ gossip than the fucking music he did.

Agree

Do we need to hear the likes of this and see photos from the coroners report.

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I'm no supporter of Spicer and Londell but can't disagree with them on this sounding like a hatchet job on someone who's not here to defend themself.

Yes, we want to hear the truth, good and bad etc but some of this sounds too much and totally unnecessary

Strawberrylova123 said:

This documentary is about Prince the man, its not a music documentary. We already know about the music.

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But this documentary isn't just for fans who deep dive into the biographies. Its for everyone to come to know Prince and understand his genius. This sounds like a documentary about his trauma and the trauma he imposed on others.

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leecaldon said:

endlessstarlight said:

To me it's quite dissapointing to read that even the Vault was staged. Not entirely a suprise, but still..

The Vault was staged?

Yes. Curated/edited by Prince so that he/we would only see what he wanted us to see. The writer called it his "instagram" page.

From reading the article - there's nothing that McMillions is objecting to that fans who have listened to interviews with associates or read a biography or two don't know. It's easy to learn about his relationships with women, his religious turn in the 2000s and his homophobic comment to Wendy and Lisa, and even Jill Jones has alluded to physical abuse in the past (I always read on the org that she said something about a broken wrist! but could never find an interview or article).

When Prince died, my immediate thought was "oh no, now everyone will know what a shit he was." I really thought all these people would come out and say "he was terrible," etc, and instead it was the FIRST time as a fan since 2001 that I heard that he was a decent man to a lot of people! That was unexpected for me, since in the fan community, we mostly talked about and heard about what a shit he could be. So now I know he was a shit, but he was also kind and generous. He was many things, like most human beings.

But it sounds like the documentary tells a really compelling story of who he was and who he became. I'd definitely watch it. And after reading the article, I immediately put an album on and watched the Glam Slam show, after months of not listening to Prince. So, definitely don't think it'd get him cancelled.

I think the public is able to understand the sort of troubled genius narrative more than McMillions gives them credit for - there are other dead, troubled rock stars who get airplay. Or even ones who are waaay worse than Prince who are still on the radio. If they're worried about bottom line, this would be good for it, but yes it would disrupt the false public narrative that Prince was some sort saint and magical negro.

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greenlovespurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

This documentary is about Prince the man, its not a music documentary. We already know about the music.

[Edited 9/10/24 7:44am]

But this documentary isn't just for fans who deep dive into the biographies. Its for everyone to come to know Prince and understand his genius. This sounds like a documentary about his trauma and the trauma he imposed on others.

[Edited 9/10/24 7:56am]

But its not only about his trauma. From what i gathered is they talk about his genius and perfomances. One of the biggest highlishts for me is the section about the RHOF perfomance and the Piano and Mic concert. Prince's trauma's is what drove him to become the skillful musician that he is. The people who are oppsoed of this documentary just want it to be concert montoge. Thats a cool idea but this isnt just about his music career, its about the man.

Strawberrylova123 said:

greenlovespurple said:

But this documentary isn't just for fans who deep dive into the biographies. Its for everyone to come to know Prince and understand his genius. This sounds like a documentary about his trauma and the trauma he imposed on others.

[Edited 9/10/24 7:56am]

But its not only about his trauma. From what i gathered is they talk about his genius and perfomances. One of the biggest highlishts for me is the section about the RHOF perfomance and the Piano and Mic concert. Prince's trauma's is what drove him to become the skillful musician that he is. The people who are oppsoed of this documentary just want it to be concert montoge. Thats a cool idea but this isnt just about his music career, its about the man.

Exactly, I got the impresssion that the majority of the material is his accomplishments, the music, the performances, sprinkled with personal anectdotes. THe sum apparently reads like a triumph over circumstance. Since there are no hidden bombshells at this point (the worst news in the doc apparently is making the rounds in the press) there is nothing more to hide.

I for one am not interested in a hagiography of a demigod whose heels never touched the ground.

petroglyf said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

But its not only about his trauma. From what i gathered is they talk about his genius and perfomances. One of the biggest highlishts for me is the section about the RHOF perfomance and the Piano and Mic concert. Prince's trauma's is what drove him to become the skillful musician that he is. The people who are oppsoed of this documentary just want it to be concert montoge. Thats a cool idea but this isnt just about his music career, its about the man.

Exactly, I got the impresssion that the majority of the material is his accomplishments, the music, the performances, sprinkled with personal anectdotes. THe sum apparently reads like a triumph over circumstance. Since there are no hidden bombshells at this point (the worst news in the doc apparently is making the rounds in the press) there is nothing more to hide.

I for one am not interested in a hagiography of a demigod whose heels never touched the ground.

If it were that, why was QuestLove so surprised he went crying to his therapist over an artist he knew just as well or better than the most ardent fans and the estate insisting it not be released. This documentary is clearly NOT what you're describing. And I don't agree with everything the estate does either, but there is the real possibility they are right here. This feels like a big dark cloud that would impact his musical legacy negatively.

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petroglyf said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

But its not only about his trauma. From what i gathered is they talk about his genius and perfomances. One of the biggest highlishts for me is the section about the RHOF perfomance and the Piano and Mic concert. Prince's trauma's is what drove him to become the skillful musician that he is. The people who are oppsoed of this documentary just want it to be concert montoge. Thats a cool idea but this isnt just about his music career, its about the man.

Exactly, I got the impresssion that the majority of the material is his accomplishments, the music, the performances, sprinkled with personal anectdotes. THe sum apparently reads like a triumph over circumstance. Since there are no hidden bombshells at this point (the worst news in the doc apparently is making the rounds in the press) there is nothing more to hide.

I for one am not interested in a hagiography of a demigod whose heels never touched the ground.

The fans who are siding with Londell and Spicy are making things worse. We are never going to get new material until this documentary is sorted out. People are taling to the press, the storties are coming out, release it and move on.