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siim said:

For me most interesting part of this article is that Questlove had to speak to his therapist for hours and cried his eyest out after watching this.
Hmmm...

At like 2 or 3 AM? Therapist here; I'm not answering at 2 or 3 AM, and I don't care what movie you just saw. It can wait till I see you next session.

siim said:

For me most interesting part of this article is that Questlove had to speak to his therapist for hours and cried his eyest out after watching this.
Hmmm...

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skywalker said:

Kares said:

partyup77 said:

I think Netflix should release it as unauthorized by the Prince Estate. They should fairly settle up thier agreement financially and cut any ties so both are free to act and release material as they please. Netflix should be mindful to include resources for domestic abuse, drug abuse, etc. along with the documentary. Then the estate can fill our desperate needs for unreleased audio/video material. Problem solved.

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Without authorisation Netflix wouldn't be able to use anything from the vault, so that means the majority of the film would end up on the cutting room floor.

It was authorized by the Estate who was then CoAmerica! That's how they were able to get into the vault to begin with

jones is many things, sometimes a little crazy, but mostly level headed and i don't think she would make something like this up out of thin air.

RODSERLING said:

bizzie said:

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Why do you insist on making a massive ass of yourself? Why do you invent horseshit instead of reading the article?

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I can't read the article, it says I need a subscription. I m not used to hacking things, such as people here pirating illegally D&P SDE instead of buying it, leading to the cancellation of LoveSymbol SDE. Every Actions have consequences. If that documentary is indeed focused on the music, then why all the fuss here on that topic?

In post 28 I gave the link to read it without the pay wall.

To suspend my disbelief for a minute...

That bit about tape of him and a girlfriend having been "deliberately damaged" is chilling. I question how they could ascertain that, or if it's based in any reality at all, but it is something I can see him having done and I think speaks volumes if true...

PJMcGee said:

skywalker said:

There it is. That's the flag this documentary is be flying under in the media. Prince is unable to defend himself, this is hearsay (at best) and (most importantly) this will (say with me now) overshadow Prince's art/music. People cannot understand why the estate would object to this?

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Listen, I know Prince wasn't a perfect person. I know he could be mean, bully, etc. I actually think that his portrayal of "The Kid" in Purple Rain is fairly close to what he was like.

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That said, all documentaries are edited to give decidedly subjective account of the subject. Documentaries are not truths, they are perceptions. They are editorials. Is this really the filter/perspective that Prince deserves to be viewed through? I think not.

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I don't think JJ saying he hit her (in retaliation) qualifies as hearsay. It's first-hand(s) knowledge.

No, but the media/article at hand saying that Jill Jones said Prince hit her is. That's what I have issue with.

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Jill Jones's truth is hers to share. Hell, I am not even saying her claims shouldn't be in the documentary....it all depends on how it's handled. Yet, the sensationalization around this possible tidbit is really gross and exploitive on all sides.

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SoulAlive said:

Where is anyone equating youthful and immature outbursts to depraved sex crime?

Uptown said:

DotsofU said:

strawberryletter23 said:

Edelamn's words : “How can you tell the truth about someone who, when you’re talking to people, they all had different things to say? How can you tell the truth about someone who never told the truth about himself?”

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I mean, that's spot on, right?

"Prince’s Music Companies Are “Working to Resolve Matters” Regarding Unreleased Doc Accusing Musician of Abuse"

https://www.hollywoodrepo...235996322/

This is forcing their hand. There may be some stuff in there that, like the JJ stuff, was sensationalized and maybe they're trying to keep it more toward the music.

At looks like, at this point, it's gonna come out whenever the "contractual issues" per Netflix' own statement, is resolved.

Strawberrylova123 said:

I blame Sharon for hiring Londell...

Nah, Londell hired himself through Sharon and the others.

Smooth talk about MakeMillions for all, some shit like that possibly, lawyer trap-talk.

Uptown said:

Londell's tweets today:

"Let me ask YOU, if you found out that someone didn’t like you and/or hated how others loved you, would you trust them and let them make a major film story on your life, then you see the rough cuts mix facts with falsehood, speculation, omissions with opinions? GTHOH"

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"In life, some people and things are worth fighting for… Do it right or do not do it at all, period!"

And obviously, Spicer on X too :

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"Would you be ok with a director putting expicit coroner photos of your loved one in a documentary? #showsomedignityandrespect #trashcan(image)"

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With all these publically personal frictions and fights, this documentary will not be shown very soon.

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Sorry to say it, but both Londell and Spicer lack great emotional intelligence here, especially on a business level.

TrcikyChristopher said:

My 2 cents:

The article makes it very clear that Prince, such as all of us, was a complex person.

Traumas and triumphs make us who we are.

The USA Today headline in their share of the story is quite misleading and click-baity.

One prime example: In the JJ story, it's stated that SHE allegedly slapped him first.

Regardless of how you feel about it, this was a man in his then-20s, at possibly the pinnacle of his fame and power, who had women throwing themselves at him. A man who, by all accounts, seemed extremely insecure behind closed doors. The "Prince" we saw was an image, a persona that he created to mask those insecurities because, at the end of the day, he had a job to do.

JJ, for whatever reason, was jealous because her friend was probably into P and slapped 20something year old, Purple Rain-era Prince.

A man who reacted as any 20something year-old with unresolved trauma would.

Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. SHE allegedly smacked HIM first.

JJ has had a history of being... interesting when it comes to her dealings with Prince.

Her own unresolved trauma? Possibly.

W&L, Mayte and almost everyone else were able to understand him as he was and are able to

compartmentalize his humanity and musical genius.

My point is yes,he hurt a lot of people.

WE hurt a lot of people, whether we know it or not.

Prince tried through his life to right a lot of his wrongs. Sometimes he failed miserably but the genral consensus is that yes - he was an asshole. An asshole with good intentions for the most part. Even in his dealings with women. Even in business. But he was human. Expecting a man who was famous for almost all of his adult life to live the same way as any other dude from the midwest is ridiculous.

Holding him on a higher pedestal and expecting him to live under those expectations is even more ridiculous.

He was just Skipper with money. Yes, he was hard on others, but he was most hard on himself and that's why he is no longer with us.

100%.

skywalker said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

here we go

Prince documentary includ...today.com)

There it is. That's the flag this documentary is be flying under in the media. Prince is unable to defend himself, this is hearsay (at best) and (most importantly) this will (say with me now) overshadow Prince's art/music. People cannot understand why the estate would object to this?

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Listen, I know Prince wasn't a perfect person. I know he could be mean, bully, etc. I actually think that his portrayal of "The Kid" in Purple Rain is fairly close to what he was like.

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That said, all documentaries are edited to give decidedly subjective account of the subject. Documentaries are not truths, they are perceptions. They are editorials. Is this really the filter/perspective that Prince deserves to be viewed through? I think not.

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Yes it does!

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It is certainly not THE flag under which this docu will fly in ALL media.
No matter what all types of media have done over the past 100 years, it has always been the same, and will never change.
Dirty media for the stupid and reliable media for the fact-readers.
Nothing new here.
Prince doesn't have to defend himself, he's dead, and he created this all by himself under strict self-control.
So no, it will NOT overshadow Prince's art or music.
In the end, Prince's art and music will stand tall above all this.
This doc needs his moment of truth, to be left behind us as part of the whole puzzle, then the music can win again, to get the release of new SDE or material, whatever, back on track.

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Like M. Jacksons music has never had so many streams and attention since that aweful documentary, just sayin'. And it's till on going.

This doc will just be the hot talk of the day, and it will pass.

And possibly other documentaries will follow.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Sexually abused by his uncle? I don’t remember reading that in the NYT article

Exactly.

I am very very happy with this article.

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It is the one thing that fills some gap of what should have been the by now familiar phrase BIG YEAR!
It's like the release of an unreleased unheard album to me.

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This is the much needed communication that The Estate can't or never will do, right?

They exposed themselves with all this, unwanted.
They are now so deeply engaged in it without wanting it themselves.

Good.

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Londell and Spicer think this doc will be less profitable, make-less-millions.
Maybe unfortunately, who knows, that this controversy may prove otherwise.

And they are too short-sighted to feel that way.

lol

RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:

Despite the few negative things that are revealed in this documentary,Prince will never be “cancelled”.If you liked Prince and his music before this documentary,you will still like and enjoy his music.The whole “cancel culture” thing is is overhyped.As others have pointed out,Michael Jackson was accused of much worse and yet he still has millions of fans all around the globe.People still listen to his music all the time.His legacy is set in stone and so is Prince’s. Release the damn documentary and move on the next project! Sheeesh.

Cancel culture exist in some extreme cases. Do you remember Gary Glitters? The guy was the 70's in the UK. Cancelled after child abuse. Even when using his music in the Joker (2019), the director had to excuse and said no money would go to Glitters R Kelly? Cancelled, erased. Like Glitters, his CDs are out of print. I don't think he even has streaming revenues. In France, one current instance is the Abbe Pierre. While he died 20 years ago, he was before his death named every year the favourite personality of the year. He was like a fucking saint. Now, since a few weeks there are accusations of abuse against him, some going from the 1950's ! Completely unverifiable of course, but now the guy is cancelled forever. The name he gave to his foundation since the 1950's, an institution here in France for poor people, is now going to change his name.

You are mentioning extreme examples of male celebrities who committed undisputable crimes.You cannot put Prince in the same category of someone like R. Kelly.