leadline said:

The only story/revelations that needs to be told are the ones Prince wanted to convey through his music.

Perhaps this is a rare opinion, perhaps not.......

Agreed. Prince's life informed his art and second hand information and associates psychoanalyzing Prince's thought processes is not respecting his legacy. Especially when there is so much negative conjecture around the entities around this project. Just cancel this hot mess altogether.

bashraka said:

leadline said:

The only story/revelations that needs to be told are the ones Prince wanted to convey through his music.

Perhaps this is a rare opinion, perhaps not.......

Agreed. Prince's life informed his art and second hand information and associates psychoanalyzing Prince's thought processes is not respecting his legacy. Especially when there is so much negative conjecture around the entities around this project. Just cancel this hot mess altogether.

I disagree, I think that his "legacy" is already set in stone and there is no rational reason why anyone would not want people speaking their truths about the man they actually interacted with except for they simply don't want the idealized version of Prince in their heads to be shattered

leadline said:

The only story/revelations that needs to be told are the ones Prince wanted to convey through his music.

To me the story/revelations that can and should be told are the honest accounts of anyone who has a story to tell. Prince's music is amazing but we can't sheild ourselves from bad or even just purely interesting other things he did outside of his music just because he didn't sing about them

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Prince didnt share his life in his music loooool The man HID his life in his music You think he let anyone know which songs were about susannah, vanity, jj etc? Nope That info came from other sources. Doubt id have a clue about the revolution breaking up or what happened to the time or that jamie starr was an alter ego it were left to prince. I thank journalists for that. If you guys are ok with not knowing anything, well great, but im more inquisitive.

Well said!

P hid everything or destroyed anything that is deemed too personal.

Therefore there isn't any video of him how or why he recorded his music or his creative process.

We get that from peeps who worked with him.

And everybody is psycho analyzing him or has anecdotal stories from engineers to whomever.

We will never know P's truth even if the analyses is positive.

Also folks who want to hear what engineers, musicians have to say about the recording sessions of his music or working with him, you can literally find this all over youtube, podcasts, books etc.

IMO it is the job of the Estate to create a doc about the creation of his music.

Then they can make it fluffy AF.

Because Netlfix isn't going to tell that kind of story.

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

Or maybe Questlove is just a dramaqueen with mental issues?

JorisE73 said:

johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

Or maybe Questlove is just a dramaqueen with mental issues?

Absolutely plausible

johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

Well said.

johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

Never judge before seeing it in its entirety.
Judge after you watched it completely in the context of the whole project/document.
We all just have to wait and see.
All these articles and podcasts etc about this to-be-released doc, is pure click-bait for fams and non-fans, but mostly only bread and butter for the media.

johnpiex said:

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

Again, the proper lyrics:

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"R we gonna let de-elevator bring us down?"

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DE-ELEVATOR = THE DEVIL

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A clever play on words that have always been misunderstood.

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If they start the doc with that, then, yeah, its already a piece of

strawberryletter23 said:

bashraka said:

Agreed. Prince's life informed his art and second hand information and associates psychoanalyzing Prince's thought processes is not respecting his legacy. Especially when there is so much negative conjecture around the entities around this project. Just cancel this hot mess altogether.

I disagree, I think that his "legacy" is already set in stone and there is no rational reason why anyone would not want people speaking their truths about the man they actually interacted with except for they simply don't want the idealized version of Prince in their heads to be shattered

I have an impressionable mind as i believe we all do. If hearing something about Prince it helps to form the way i think of him. If bad and not true, i see that as a danger zone... i think his legacy can in fact be hurt.

I know he was human, but i don't understand why people have to pick apart and focus on his trouble spots. If that's what this is. I know people say it's balanced, but i think he would be upset.

johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

If Questlove - or anyone - needs therapy after watching a documentary on a celebrity, let that just be a reminder that idolizing someone you don't even really know is probably not the way to go. There's a reason why the old saying goes "Never meet your heroes". I've never idolized Prince - or anyone for that matter, but I find his music and his persona fascinating and always will. And it's precisely his strange complexities, contradictions and even unfortunate turns that make him so interesting to me. I'm in for whatever this documentary is and will take away what I want. But I also agree - and have stated before - that using Let's Go Crazy in any way related to Prince's death (if that's the case) is just lazy, tacky and lame. There's a line about an elevator (or "de-elevator" - whatever) so he's going to link it to Prince dying in an elevator? That's just stupid and lazy filmmaking.

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johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

I feel the exact same way. Well said.

SpookyPurple said:

johnpiex said:

I think the project could include darker aspects of his life, while still being respectful. Ultimately, I feel the overarching theme should be love and reverence for Prince and his music. It doesn't need to be a fluff piece, and it also shouldn't be a complete gutting of the mystique he worked so hard to create. There should be balance. If a Prince diehard like Questlove needed immediate threrapy after seeing it, maybe it's a little too heavy-handed with the sensationalizing of the darker aspects of his life. Prince was human, and no doubt made some disappointing choices. I would hope a documentary of this magnitude wouldn't focus on those things, and moreso on his incredible career and body of work.

Also, using Let's Go Crazy as the backdrop for Prince being found dead in an elevator sounds tacky and disrespectful as fuck, not to mention manipulative.

If Questlove - or anyone - needs therapy after watching a documentary on a celebrity, let that just be a reminder that idolizing someone you don't even really know is probably not the way to go. There's a reason why the old saying goes "Never meet your heroes". I've never idolized Prince - or anyone for that matter, but I find his music and his persona fascinating and always will. And it's pricisely his strange complexities, contradictions and even unfortunate turns that make him so interesting to me. I'm in for whatever this documentary is and will take away what I want. But I also agree - and have stated before - that using Let's Go Crazy in any way related to Prince's death (if that's the case) is just lazy, tacky and lame. There's a line about an elevator (or "de-elevator" - whatever) so he's going to link it to Prince dying in an elevator? That's just stupid and lazy filmmaking.

100!

Not much to add other than it's very disappointing that the estate won't release this. I don't want 'reverence' from a biographical piece. There's a huge difference between sensationalist hit jobs and thoughtful biography which picks apart the complexities and flaws in a person to give a rounded picture. I don't need talking heads and voiceovers telling me what a genius he was - the music and performance footage, of which there seems to be a lot of unreleased stuff in this, speaks for itself in that regard. I don't think any subject should be off limits, particularly as regards to his (mis)treatment of others, who have the right to honestly express their experiences. As for the LGC/death sequence - I agree it sounds like a slightly tacky idea, but without seeing the edit I don't feel qualified to comment. Overall, from everything I've read my impression is that Edelman has taken the approach I would want him to, and I despise McMillan and Spicer for holding it up.

TheTruth123 said:

strawberryletter23 said:

I disagree, I think that his "legacy" is already set in stone and there is no rational reason why anyone would not want people speaking their truths about the man they actually interacted with except for they simply don't want the idealized version of Prince in their heads to be shattered

I have an impressionable mind as i believe we all do. If hearing something about Prince it helps to form the way i think of him. If bad and not true, i see that as a danger zone... i think his legacy can in fact be hurt.

I know he was human, but i don't understand why people have to pick apart and focus on his trouble spots. If that's what this is. I know people say it's balanced, but i think he would be upset.

If he would be upset, well.... too bad.
Cause, he created all this mess himself, while he was alive and (not) well (apparently).

He had so much to uphold, not to lose face, to keep up appearances.

Plus all that running off into religious truths, his often tyrannical behavior so he could keep people around him in check.

Something he actually never sang about in his so called 'truth-worthy' lyrics.
Sooner or later everything would come to the surface anyway.

That's the legacy he actually created as well, soon to be mistically unmasked.

We have a saying here that goes “deceit and lies have short legs.”
Alive or dead, Prince would've failed anyhow, like it's happening right now.

Frankly, if his legacy suffers, which I seriously doubt, so be it.

Whether we agree with the juicy details or not, his music will be played until no one is interested anymore. Simple as that. To all that genius, will also come and end.

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Right now, it's not really about this documentary at all, but simply about how much loss there could be according to the incompetents in charge.
I think they are completely wrong.

This hype could make them filthy richer.

So, hear me out; how can they turn their own stalled idiotic communications and tweets into a plausible explanation?

I think they are now lying awake about that...

playtime92 said:

Not much to add other than it's very disappointing that the estate won't release this. I don't want 'reverence' from a biographical piece. There's a huge difference between sensationalist hit jobs and thoughtful biography which picks apart the complexities and flaws in a person to give a rounded picture. I don't need talking heads and voiceovers telling me what a genius he was - the music and performance footage, of which there seems to be a lot of unreleased stuff in this, speaks for itself in that regard.

I don't think any subject should be off limits, particularly as regards to his (mis)treatment of others, who have the right to honestly express their experiences. As for the LGC/death sequence - I agree it sounds like a slightly tacky idea,

but without seeing the edit I don't feel qualified to comment. Overall, from everything I've read my impression is that Edelman has taken the approach I would want him to, and I despise McMillan and Spicer for holding it up.

100 % agree on everything you say here.

Yes there's de-elevator, but LGC also talks about a doctor and some deadly pills, so.

PJMcGee said:

Yes there's de-elevator, but LGC also talks about a doctor and some deadly pills, so.

Exactly. Prince's death had tragically ironic parallels to lyrics in one of his biggest hit songs from his biggest hit album and people expect a documentarian not to make use of that connection? Seems like a goofy thing to complain about.

Vannormal said:

playtime92 said:

Not much to add other than it's very disappointing that the estate won't release this. I don't want 'reverence' from a biographical piece. There's a huge difference between sensationalist hit jobs and thoughtful biography which picks apart the complexities and flaws in a person to give a rounded picture. I don't need talking heads and voiceovers telling me what a genius he was - the music and performance footage, of which there seems to be a lot of unreleased stuff in this, speaks for itself in that regard.

I don't think any subject should be off limits, particularly as regards to his (mis)treatment of others, who have the right to honestly express their experiences. As for the LGC/death sequence - I agree it sounds like a slightly tacky idea,

but without seeing the edit I don't feel qualified to comment. Overall, from everything I've read my impression is that Edelman has taken the approach I would want him to, and I despise McMillan and Spicer for holding it up.

100 % agree on everything you say here.

100%

bozojones said:

PJMcGee said:

Yes there's de-elevator, but LGC also talks about a doctor and some deadly pills, so.

Exactly. Prince's death had tragically ironic parallels to lyrics in one of his biggest hit songs from his biggest hit album and people expect a documentarian not to make use of that connection? Seems like a goofy thing to complain about.

I disgree, personally. I think it's a silly comparison to make. There's no "connection" - just coincidence if anything. But filmmakers make their own choices. That's just one - if it's used in the way the article implies it is - that I think is cheap. Also, if it was a serious ballad or something - ok, at least vibe-wise it could kind of fit. But an upbeat party dance song? That's just going to feel very weird. Like if Prince died of an allergic reaction from eating a chocolate containing an allergen, would it seem cool playing Chocolate Box over footage of his death?

I guess this is where the "explicit coroner photos" are used in the documentary:

I mean, at at one point, Morris Hayes, one of his bandmates, talks about how he died in an elevator in Paisley Park, and there's a lyric in Let's Go Crazy where he says, let's not let the elevator bring us down. I'm not quoting it precisely. Maybe I could rerecord that lyric, but, you know, there's a lyric about an elevator. And Morris Hayes said, you know, man, did did he did he somehow orchestrate this, which is, like, you know, maybe an insane deposition, but it's, you know, one of his bandmates who really knew him said, like, god, is it possible that he masterminded in some way his own death? And they wanted Ezra to take that out. - Sasha Weiss




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PJMcGee said:

Yes there's de-elevator, but LGC also talks about a doctor and some deadly pills, so.

"Pills & Thrills & Daffodils will kill..."

The doctor in the song is not a physician.

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The most perplexing connection of all the "coincidence theories" is that "Sometimes It Snows In April" was recorded on April 21st.

nayroo2002 said:

PJMcGee said:

Yes there's de-elevator, but LGC also talks about a doctor and some deadly pills, so.

"Pills & Thrills & Daffodils will kill..."

The doctor in the song is not a physician.

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The most perplexing connection of all the "coincidence theories" is that "Sometimes It Snows In April" was recorded on April 21st.

I'm guessing Prince himself didn't even remember that. Either way, I'll never be in the camp that he planned anything related to his death.

SpookyPurple said:

Either way, I'll never be in the camp that he planned anything related to his death.

If he did, then it would be self-inflicted.

Now, if someone else arranged the whole scenerio using all those convenient coincidences, then it would be, well, you know...

nayroo2002 said:

SpookyPurple said:

Either way, I'll never be in the camp that he planned anything related to his death.

If he did, then it would be self-inflicted.

Now, if someone else arranged the whole scenerio using all those convenient coincidences, then it would be, well, you know...

That would be like a cheesy movie I hope never gets made haha...

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nayroo2002 said:

"kayfabe infringement" is the only logical term related to the estate's refusal to release this docu.

johnpiex said: