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Fenwick

Revisiting 1999 Super Deluxe - the vault tracks

My apologies. Allow me a brief introduction context wise.

I was recently explaining to my close friend from the Org, Trvial Pursuit, the older I get, the more difficult I find it to make time for a true and proper assessment of these Super Deluxe releases.

Life in general makes time a premium. But when you're married with two young kids, carving out the space and time to properly digest vast volumes of material that is this historically and artistically vital becomes extraordinarily difficult.


So for me, the invariable rinse, wash, repeat cycle is: Obtain album, listen to it as intensely as a I can for a few weeks, then put it away for A LONG STRETCH of time. I'll get back to it when time permits.


So here we are. A full three years later. And I'm FINALLY dusting this stuff off again.

Let's begin with my overall score; (which will include a controversial comment not worth debating).

My overall score for the box set is an 8.5. (This is a VERY high mark for me).

Not taking the time to create a 5.1 mix and omitting the Lust U Always/Extraloveable tracks due to retroactive morality is borderline irresponsible. That's just my opinion.

But this material is too important to make judgment calls of that nature. Even if every song on the discs isn't very good, the rest of the package is brilliant and extremely well done. On to the tracks:

Feel U Up/Irresistable Bitch - (9 out of 10) This pair of songs were readily available to those of us with access to boots over the years. Usually any song Prince parked for a later date and revisited resulted in a far lesser version of said song. But in this very rare instance, I'd say the Batman B side of Feel U Up feels tighter and more focused.

The main keyboard line that transitions into Bitch is magniificent. The surly vocals and majestic outro guitar are brilliant.

Money Don't Grow on Trees - (3 out of ten) This isn't particularly worth debating with people who love it. It's a wonderfully produced track where the musicianship is excellent. But the melody and ESPECIALLY the lyrics just destroy my interest in the song. I detest the "Money don't grow on tress" resolution of the chorus.

Vagina - (10 out of 10) I don't use a 10 score lightly. And the next three tracks all sit comfortably with this score. Vagina sonically drips of a cleaned up Dirty Mind era track. The liner notes in the box set suggest this is an incomplete demo because it lacks a drum track. I couldn't disagree with this assessment more. The "half boy half girl" chants with hand claps feel VERY complete to me. If anything, a full drum track would feel invasive to that groove. The bass line complete with atonal fills are brilliant.

Rearrange - (10 out of 10) How did this song not receive a proper release? The instrumentation and stacked vocals are perfect.

Oh..... and that guitar solo. It begins around the 2 minute mark and stretches to the end of the song. A four minute solo of titanic bliss.

Bold Generation - (10 out of 10) Again, everything about this song is perfection and dwarves the Graffiti Bridge version. The instrumental breaks are so fulfilling. I want this song to last 45 minutes.

Colleen - (2 out of 10) Because it's Prince this falls into the historically important, but artistically irrelevant category. It's a jam that meanders aimlessly for five and a half minutes.

International Lover - (8 out of 10) For those of us who love this song, this is a minilamist gold mine. Jusy piano and drums. Those random call outs are pure gold. "Peggy - are you listening" "Thank you for flying Morris International - don't touch those cymbals" "Give me a nice ending right here". "Just touch those cymbals a little bit - fiddle around".

Turn It Up - (6 out of 10) This is one of those songs where debate is warranted. It's one of those few famous outtake songs (like Wonderful Ass) that just don't work for me. It's not "bad" per se and I like it. But five and a half minutes of this particular groove don't do it for me.

You're All I Want - (3 out of 10) Clearly an inferior Horny Toad cousin.

Something In the Water - (9 out of 10) A really fun variant to the released version.

If It'll Make You Happy - (1 out of 10) Nothing positive to say here. This is not anything I ever want to hear again in this lifetime.

How Come alternate - (10 out of 10) This is just about as gorgeous musically as anything you could ask for in life. The interchanged subtleness and attack of the vocals and piano are literally perfection.

Possessed - (8 out of 10) Sing the "I was dreaming when I wrote this" lyrics from 1999 over the main intro riff. I love this song. But I understand why it was shelved.

Delirious Long - (6 out of 10) Outside "Free", this is my least favorite song on the proper album. The removal of the extra bits was very appropraite.

Purple Music - (3 out of 10) I understand why people worship this song. The instrumentation is phenomenal and the lyrics speak to the importance of music on a personal level. But I've never cared for it.

Yah You Know - (ZERO our of ten) - Pardon my language. But this song can go fuck itself forever.

Moonbeam - (9 out of 10) One of his most legendary outakes. So nice to have in the best quality possible .

No Call U - (7 out of 10) A Prince 'light" song that really works. It has a great atmosphere.

Can't Stop - (9 out of 10) This rough and ready preliminary version is so quintessentially Prince. I wish it was longer. Much longer.

Do Yourself a Favor (9 out of 10) I actually forgot this was a Willie Pepe track. Right around the six minute mark when you feel like it's overstaying its' welcome, this happens:

"Too sexy. Yaysssss. Mhhmmmhmmmmmm That's a fifty dollar bill. When's the last time you saw one of them"? I could hear 75 more minutes of that banter.

Don't Let Him Fool Ya - (5 out of 10) It's OK. But certainly not essential.

Teacher Teacher - (10 out of 10) I've aways had a soft spot for this song. It really plays right into the Wendy and Lisa sandbox. That bass line is so full of flavor and the harmonized outro screams are glorious.

Medley - (5 out of 10) An admittedly strange way to close the disc. This doesn't move any needles and was quickly abandoned for a reason.

I hope this creates some interest in revisiting and reassessing these tracks.

[Edited 9/21/22 17:01pm]

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Reply #1 posted 09/21/22 5:18pm

LoveGalore

I like the 1999 SDE (and era) better than the SOTT SDE because every single outtake is strong. I love Colleen and have coincidentally been listening to it often lately. Bold Generation stands as one of my most listened to songs since it's release - across my entire library. I wish it was 45 mins too!

I also started listening to the take of International Lover. I was thinking about why exactly he didn't think this song would fit with Morris and trying to come up with different scenarios. It's not like he played the song that much over the course of his career, I feel? But I think it's all in the vocal take that he released - flamboyant af, a little absurd, campy, sexy, humorous, etc. I don't think Morris could deliver that hypersexuality Prince emotes with on the song. It's such a good version too, in his lower register. Adds a different kinda swagger to it.
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Reply #2 posted 09/21/22 5:45pm

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Fenwick said:

My apologies. Allow me a brief introduction context wise.

I was recently explaining to my close friend from the Org, Trvial Pursuit, the older I get, the more difficult I find it to make time for a true and proper assessment of these Super Deluxe releases.

Life in general makes time a premium. But when you're married with two young kids, carving out the space and time to properly digest vast volumes of material that is this historically and artistically vital becomes extraordinarily difficult.


So for me, the invariable rinse, wash, repeat cycle is: Obtain album, listen to it as intensely as a I can for a few weeks, then put it away for A LONG STRETCH of time. I'll get back to it when time permits.


So here we are. A full three years later. And I'm FINALLY dusting this stuff off again.

Let's begin with my overall score; (which will include a controversial comment not worth debating).

My overall score for the box set is an 8.5. (This is a VERY high mark for me).

Not taking the time to create a 5.1 mix and omitting the Lust U Always/Extraloveable tracks due to retroactive morality is borderline irresponsible. That's just my opinion.

But this material is too important to make judgment calls of that nature. Even if every song on the discs isn't very good, the rest of the package is brilliant and extremely well done. On to the tracks:

Feel U Up/Irresistable Bitch - (9 out of 10) This pair of songs were readily available to those of us with access to boots over the years. Usually any song Prince parked for a later date and revisited resulted in a far lesser version of said song. But in this very rare instance, I'd say the Batman B side of Feel U Up feels tighter and more focused.

The main keyboard line that transitions into Bitch is magniificent. The surly vocals and majestic outro guitar are brilliant.

Money Don't Grow on Trees - (3 out of ten) This isn't particularly worth debating with people who love it. It's a wonderfully produced track where the musicianship is excellent. But the melody and ESPECIALLY the lyrics just destroy my interest in the song. I detest the "Money don't grow on tress" resolution of the chorus.

Vagina - (10 out of 10) I don't use a 10 score lightly. And the next three tracks all sit comfortably with this score. Vagina sonically drips of a cleaned up Dirty Mind era track. The liner notes in the box set suggest this is an incomplete demo because it lacks a drum track. I couldn't disagree with this assessment more. The "half boy half girl" chants with hand claps feel VERY complete to me. If anything, a full drum track would feel invasive to that groove. The bass line complete with atonal fills are brilliant.

Rearrange - (10 out of 10) How did this song not receive a proper release? The instrumentation and stacked vocals are perfect.

Oh..... and that guitar solo. It begins around the 2 minute mark and stretches to the end of the song. A four minute solo of titanic bliss.

Bold Generation - (10 out of 10) Again, everything about this song is perfection and dwarves the Graffiti Bridge version. The instrumental breaks are so fulfilling. I want this song to last 45 minutes.

Colleen - (2 out of 10) Because it's Prince this falls into the historically important, but artistically irrelevant category. It's a jam that meanders aimlessly for five and a half minutes.

International Lover - (8 out of 10) For those of us who love this song, this is a minilamist gold mine. Jusy piano and drums. Those random call outs are pure gold. "Peggy - are you listening" "Thank you for flying Morris International - don't touch those cymbals" "Give me a nice ending right here". "Just touch those cymbals a little bit - fiddle around".

Turn It Up - (6 out of 10) This is one of those songs where debate is warranted. It's one of those few famous outtake songs (like Wonderful Ass) that just don't work for me. It's not "bad" per se and I like it. But five and a half minutes of this particular groove don't do it for me.

You're All I Want - (3 out of 10) Clearly an inferior Horny Toad cousin.

Something In the Water - (9 out of 10) A really fun variant to the released version.

If It'll Make You Happy - (1 out of 10) Nothing positive to say here. This is not anything I ever want to hear again in this lifetime.

How Come alternate - (10 out of 10) This is just about as gorgeous musically as anything you could ask for in life. The interchanged subtleness and attack of the vocals and piano are literally perfection.

Possessed - (8 out of 10) Sing the "I was dreaming when I wrote this" lyrics from 1999 over the main intro riff. I love this song. But I understand why it was shelved.

Delirious Long - (6 out of 10) Outside "Free", this is my least favorite song on the proper album. The removal of the extra bits was very appropraite.

Purple Music - (3 out of 10) I understand why people worship this song. The instrumentation is phenomenal and the lyrics speak to the importance of music on a personal level. But I've never cared for it.

Yah You Know - (ZERO our of ten) - Pardon my language. But this song can go fuck itself forever.

Moonbeam - (9 out of 10) One of his most legendary outakes. So nice to have in the best quality possible .

No Call U - (7 out of 10) A Prince 'light" song that really works. It has a great atmosphere.

Can't Stop - (9 out of 10) This rough and ready preliminary version is so quintessentially Prince. I wish it was longer. Much longer.

Do Yourself a Favor (9 out of 10) I actually forgot this was a Willie Pepe track. Right around the six minute mark when you feel like it's overstaying its' welcome, this happens:

"Too sexy. Yaysssss. Mhhmmmhmmmmmm That's a fifty dollar bill. When's the last time you saw one of them"? I could hear 75 more minutes of that banter.

Don't Let Him Fool Ya - (5 out of 10) It's OK. But certainly not essential.

Teacher Teacher - (10 out of 10) I've aways had a soft spot for this song. It really plays right into the Wendy and Lisa sandbox. That bass line is so full of flavor and the harmonized outro screams are glorious.

Medley - (5 out of 10) An admittedly strange way to close the disc. This doesn't move any needles and was quickly abandoned for a reason.

I hope this creates some interest in revisiting and reassessing these tracks.

[Edited 9/21/22 17:01pm]

1999 SuperDeluxe is so awesome. I was really impressed because my expectations were so low after the Prince4ever releases that I stopped checking for the posthumous releases, so imagine my surprise.

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Reply #3 posted 09/21/22 8:01pm

scs2000

I feel exactly like you. Family and kids takes a lot of time away from just listening to music on your own. Especially when your player goes out in your car.

Good for you that you have gotten back to this and had a good listen.

I'll try to catch up!

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Reply #4 posted 09/21/22 11:27pm

TrivialPursuit

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Fenwick and I have talked about this for weeks.

I mostly agree with his assesments give or take a point in the grading scale.

But despite it's simplistic lyrics, I think "Money Don't Grow on Trees" is more of a testament to his midwest baby boomer upbringing. We so easily associate Prince with Gen X, but he's not one. He's a boomer, just like MJ, and Madonna; the three biggest artists of the 80s. It's still a simple song, but the lyrics speak to his upbringing. So I'd at least give it a 5.5/10, because the lyrics could be easily rewritten and the song strengthened more.

The same goes for "Don't Let Him Fool Ya." It's a good pop song. I also think it was a good lead single for the SDE project. Because it showed a genuine outtake. It was pop, funky, that famous falsetto. It really should have been a b-side. 6/10

"Turn It Up" is that fun new wave stuff in which Prince dabbled heavily. It really fits the era quite well. But because of that, it feels like it should've been a song for The Time. It reminds me of "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody." Not surprising it was recorded the day after "Wild and Loose." But I'm sticking with the 6/10.

I like "You're All I Want," because there are elements of both "Horny Toad" and "Delirious" in it. Sorta like how he distilled "200 Balloons" into other songs. He later did this with the EPs to Cream, New Power Generation and Gett Off. I'm going with a 5/10 because of it's significance here.

"If It'll Make You Happy" is just lame. But, if he got it out of his system to make other stuff, then good on him. I sorta wonder if, with some changes, it couldn't have been as weird and interesting as something like "Another Lonely Christmas." The reggae vibe is a cock killer for me.

Something about "Teacher Teacher" bugs me, but I can deal with it. I like this version a little better than the 1985 version. But each has its own charm. There are sounds in the 1985 version which sound like something from The Family. That carnival organ thing.

"Yah, Ya Know" is not a zero, but it's not above a 5 either.

It feels like a strong period for outtakes compared to the PR stuff which offered little in the way of really unheard of stuff. The most interesting stuff on PR SDE is "Electric Intercourse," although it feels like a bit of a let down considering the First Avenue take. "Father's Song" had a decent delivery.
"Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden" which we've always heard about and now we have it. That's a plus.
But we've heard "Possessed," "The Dance Electric," "Computer Blue," and "Wonderful Ass" 15 different ways. It's just filling in the gaps, not anything that climactic.

I couldn't care less about Katrina or Velvet (which should've ended up on A6's album).

1999 SDE offers much more bang for the buck.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #5 posted 09/22/22 4:12am

McD

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Fenwick said:


I hope this creates some interest in revisiting and reassessing these tracks.



Thanks. I intend to do just that. I realise I don't know most of these tracks at all.


[Edited 9/22/22 4:12am]
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Reply #6 posted 09/22/22 4:54am

WhisperingDand
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"Bold Generation" is so funny because it really did have the fanbase 180 on a track that was once, uh, pretty tepidly appraised there once before to put it mildly. But it's literally the exact. same. song.



"Colleen"s the best track on this set, bar none. The Princestrumental's get thrown under the bus in another thread yet again, gee how shocking. It's literally proto-"Jungle Love" the raw OG barebones version, but like all the other instrumentals, because it didn't have a sexxed-up vocal it's chastised for "meandering aimlessly" when literally every other garden-variety org'ers favorite 12" extended or "full version" meanders just as aimless when you strip the voc-overdubs.

Some great 1999 robofunk vibes on this and many other tracks that, if only in an alternate reality where it was like a Japan-only import with "Extraloveable" could exist, then this outtakes set would unquestionably be superior to and better encapsulate that 1999 robofunk ideal than even the original LP itself.

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Reply #7 posted 09/22/22 8:50am

PurpleColossus

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There is a lot of great vault tracks from 1999 Super Deluxe, here are my top 5. nod

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1. Bold Generation - I've always loved the song 'New Power Generation', so hearing an earlier version of it was amazing. At the moment, I love both tracks equally now.

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2. Rearrange - Very cool song. Excellent guitar and vocals combo going on here.

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3. Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) (Alt) - This unreleased version is excellent, I love the instrumentals. I'm even tempted to put it above the original album version.

.

4. Moonbeam Levels - I remember years ago, seeing so many on the Org talk about this song...Always loved it, great to have a perfect quality version now.

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5. Do Yourself A Favor - The instrumentals have such a light and happy feeling for me. Such a catchy song.

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Reply #8 posted 09/22/22 9:00am

JoeyCococo

Wow...you are so spot on...I have long complained that we need a new SDE but the truth is, I really need more time with 1999 and SOTT. I think i shorted 1999 b/c sOTT came so soon after. These packages are so densely packed, it actually does take a long long time to truly take it all in. His quality is so high, it's almost all worth it. For example, I just played Purple Music again and while I once thought it to be too repetitive, a very close listen showed me how many little bits and pieces there were ...so many interesting rhythm guitar parts...odd synths...abrupt kick drums....its so DAMN INTERESTING.

I don't agree with the lack of a 5.1 mix being bad. I still beleive music is 2.0...stereo.

Vagna...love it...it gives me Great hope that the early 80s stuff was well recorded. So full, bass...

Rearrange - i agree, how does this not get release. The Peach adn Black guys thought it maybe b/c it was too close in sound to Lady Cab Driver....but it amazes me, a guy who can play guitar like that all throughout the song, shelves it. OF course, I've said this many many times.

If It'll Make You Happy - odd...but he's so melodic. It was so effortless. I do like the guitar playing too.

How Come U Don't - i use this as an example of his unparallelled brilliance....the song we knew for 30 years was one of our favourites....used to display his amazing skills for 3 decades. Then they put a 2nd version out that actually tops (easily) that one we all knew. HOw can it be one guy could do this...what we'll neve rknow is, what made him choose the other...length? Being out of breath at one point? That creaking right at the end?

Do Yourself a Favor - have had it FOREVER but i was amazed at how crisp it sounded....guitars so raw. Such a good recording...wow.

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Reply #9 posted 09/22/22 9:41am

JoeyCococo

TrivialPursuit said:

Fenwick and I have talked about this for weeks.



It feels like a strong period for outtakes compared to the PR stuff which offered little in the way of really unheard of stuff. The most interesting stuff on PR SDE is "Electric Intercourse," although it feels like a bit of a let down considering the First Avenue take. "Father's Song" had a decent delivery.
"Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden" which we've always heard about and now we have it. That's a plus.
But we've heard "Possessed," "The Dance Electric," "Computer Blue," and "Wonderful Ass" 15 different ways. It's just filling in the gaps, not anything that climactic.

I couldn't care less about Katrina or Velvet (which should've ended up on A6's album).

1999 SDE offers much more bang for the buck.

agreed...but I think the Estate knew in 2017, the PR release was just something to get out the door. They called it a 'Deluxe' and not a 'Super Deluxe'. I think it is acknowledgement, something better will come...2024, the 40th Anniversary ...

The songs were likely not sourced from original tapes either. The remaster pales compared to 1999 and SOTT's.

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Reply #10 posted 09/22/22 10:05am

Fenwick

LoveGalore said:

I like the 1999 SDE (and era) better than the SOTT SDE because every single outtake is strong. I love Colleen and have coincidentally been listening to it often lately. Bold Generation stands as one of my most listened to songs since it's release - across my entire library. I wish it was 45 mins too! I also started listening to the take of International Lover. I was thinking about why exactly he didn't think this song would fit with Morris and trying to come up with different scenarios. It's not like he played the song that much over the course of his career, I feel? But I think it's all in the vocal take that he released - flamboyant af, a little absurd, campy, sexy, humorous, etc. I don't think Morris could deliver that hypersexuality Prince emotes with on the song. It's such a good version too, in his lower register. Adds a different kinda swagger to it.

Hi LG

Thanks for the reply. I love that Colleen works so well for you. It's weird. I LOVE Cloreen Bacon Skin, significant parts of NEWS, (Although some of it IS really dull) and I'm one of the 3.762% of the Prince fans who likes big chunks of the XPectation instrumental tracks. But Colleen is just a life support track to me. Doesn't quite move any needles. Again - love that you dig it!

You know what's funny about your International Lover comment..... My original post was a good 30 to 40% longer and I took out the hatchet to whittle it down. One of the lines I took out was, "The natural/non falsetto voice really lets his guard down and in some ways creates a far more vulnerable take".


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Reply #11 posted 09/22/22 10:07am

Fenwick

TrivialPursuit said:

Fenwick and I have talked about this for weeks.

I mostly agree with his assesments give or take a point in the grading scale.

But despite it's simplistic lyrics, I think "Money Don't Grow on Trees" is more of a testament to his midwest baby boomer upbringing. We so easily associate Prince with Gen X, but he's not one. He's a boomer, just like MJ, and Madonna; the three biggest artists of the 80s. It's still a simple song, but the lyrics speak to his upbringing. So I'd at least give it a 5.5/10, because the lyrics could be easily rewritten and the song strengthened more.

The same goes for "Don't Let Him Fool Ya." It's a good pop song. I also think it was a good lead single for the SDE project. Because it showed a genuine outtake. It was pop, funky, that famous falsetto. It really should have been a b-side. 6/10

"Turn It Up" is that fun new wave stuff in which Prince dabbled heavily. It really fits the era quite well. But because of that, it feels like it should've been a song for The Time. It reminds me of "OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody." Not surprising it was recorded the day after "Wild and Loose." But I'm sticking with the 6/10.

I like "You're All I Want," because there are elements of both "Horny Toad" and "Delirious" in it. Sorta like how he distilled "200 Balloons" into other songs. He later did this with the EPs to Cream, New Power Generation and Gett Off. I'm going with a 5/10 because of it's significance here.

"If It'll Make You Happy" is just lame. But, if he got it out of his system to make other stuff, then good on him. I sorta wonder if, with some changes, it couldn't have been as weird and interesting as something like "Another Lonely Christmas." The reggae vibe is a cock killer for me.

Something about "Teacher Teacher" bugs me, but I can deal with it. I like this version a little better than the 1985 version. But each has its own charm. There are sounds in the 1985 version which sound like something from The Family. That carnival organ thing.

"Yah, Ya Know" is not a zero, but it's not above a 5 either.

It feels like a strong period for outtakes compared to the PR stuff which offered little in the way of really unheard of stuff. The most interesting stuff on PR SDE is "Electric Intercourse," although it feels like a bit of a let down considering the First Avenue take. "Father's Song" had a decent delivery.
"Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden" which we've always heard about and now we have it. That's a plus.
But we've heard "Possessed," "The Dance Electric," "Computer Blue," and "Wonderful Ass" 15 different ways. It's just filling in the gaps, not anything that climactic.

I couldn't care less about Katrina or Velvet (which should've ended up on A6's album).

1999 SDE offers much more bang for the buck.




Hey E!


Thanks for the reply. I really like your perspective on Money. It completely makes sense even if it doesn't change my feeling about the song!!!! razz razz razz

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Reply #12 posted 09/22/22 10:08am

Fenwick

PurpleColossus said:

There is a lot of great vault tracks from 1999 Super Deluxe, here are my top 5. nod

.

1. Bold Generation - I've always loved the song 'New Power Generation', so hearing an earlier version of it was amazing. At the moment, I love both tracks equally now.

.

2. Rearrange - Very cool song. Excellent guitar and vocals combo going on here.

.

3. Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) (Alt) - This unreleased version is excellent, I love the instrumentals. I'm even tempted to put it above the original album version.

.

4. Moonbeam Levels - I remember years ago, seeing so many on the Org talk about this song...Always loved it, great to have a perfect quality version now.

.

5. Do Yourself A Favor - The instrumentals have such a light and happy feeling for me. Such a catchy song.



Fantastic! On these songs our tastes align!

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Reply #13 posted 09/22/22 10:16am

Fenwick

JoeyCococo said:

Wow...you are so spot on...I have long complained that we need a new SDE but the truth is, I really need more time with 1999 and SOTT. I think i shorted 1999 b/c sOTT came so soon after. These packages are so densely packed, it actually does take a long long time to truly take it all in. His quality is so high, it's almost all worth it. For example, I just played Purple Music again and while I once thought it to be too repetitive, a very close listen showed me how many little bits and pieces there were ...so many interesting rhythm guitar parts...odd synths...abrupt kick drums....its so DAMN INTERESTING.

I don't agree with the lack of a 5.1 mix being bad. I still beleive music is 2.0...stereo.

Vagna...love it...it gives me Great hope that the early 80s stuff was well recorded. So full, bass...

Rearrange - i agree, how does this not get release. The Peach adn Black guys thought it maybe b/c it was too close in sound to Lady Cab Driver....but it amazes me, a guy who can play guitar like that all throughout the song, shelves it. OF course, I've said this many many times.

If It'll Make You Happy - odd...but he's so melodic. It was so effortless. I do like the guitar playing too.

How Come U Don't - i use this as an example of his unparallelled brilliance....the song we knew for 30 years was one of our favourites....used to display his amazing skills for 3 decades. Then they put a 2nd version out that actually tops (easily) that one we all knew. HOw can it be one guy could do this...what we'll neve rknow is, what made him choose the other...length? Being out of breath at one point? That creaking right at the end?

Do Yourself a Favor - have had it FOREVER but i was amazed at how crisp it sounded....guitars so raw. Such a good recording...wow.

Hey Joey!

Thanks for the great reply! Time really is the greatest impediment. I couldn't believe it had been a full three years since I dusted this off. Crazy.


Re your 5.1/stereo sentiments. I was a VERY late adopter and extremely skeptical myself. (I'm 52 and just got my first system 4 years ago). But now that I have it, not having the option on super deluxe re-releases is definitely a thorn. The prospect of pulling down the other speakers and getting Prince's voice isolated, (or the inverse of course), is top of the mountain for me musician wise. I do hope they give those of us who strongly desire this a chance to experience it some day.

Purple Music is a TOTAL feast for the ears. So many kibbles and bits. I just don't like the song melodically for some reason. (Believe me - I wish I did)! But I totally get why many hold it in such high regard!

Smiling ear to ear on your How Come comments. It's a Prince Mt Rushmore moment that comes totally out of left field!

Take care my friend! Thanks again!

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Reply #14 posted 09/22/22 11:31am

TrivialPursuit

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Fenwick said:

Hey E!


Thanks for the reply. I really like your perspective on Money. It completely makes sense even if it doesn't change my feeling about the song!!!! razz razz razz


You must've missed that when we were texting weeks ago because of your blind disregard for the song. lol

Regarding "Extraloveable" and "Lust U Always": It's capricious to not include it. As you said, we can't instill retroactive morality into a document that is meant to be historical and contextual. It's obvious Prince never endorsed rape, nor would anyone with a sound mind.

So to include it would be as logical as not CGI'ing out the World Trade Center in old episodes of Friends or Will & Grace or NYPD Blue. It's as logical as not removing every rape scene in a movie. It's very Owellian to go back and try to edit history; things that are unchangeable.

If they want to put some warning label or disclaimer in the package, then do so, but release it the damn songs.

Lastly, I believe a song like "Extraloveable" is also important in the context of Prince songwriting history because most of his songs about women are from a submissive point of view; one that has him asking, or even begging, to be with a woman. It's rarely, if ever, an aggressive stance that "I'm just gonna take it." He's talking a girl down from being a tramp in songs like "Little Red Corvette." It's not "I'm going to fuck you," it's we can fuck, let's pretend we're married, do me baby, take me with you. It's pleading or mutual.

Even through the sexual innuendo, Prince - in his lyrics - was looking for a mutually consentual good time. He got off by getting someone off. And isn't that what any good lover should be?

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #15 posted 09/22/22 11:58am

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Am I the only one here who likes "Yah You Know"?

It's not Purple Rain or anything, but as a simple, fun little ditty it seems really effective to me.

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Reply #16 posted 09/22/22 12:13pm

TrivialPursuit

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dustoff said:

Am I the only one here who likes "Yah You Know"?


yes

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #17 posted 09/22/22 12:28pm

JoeyCococo

Hey Joey!

Thanks for the great reply! Time really is the greatest impediment. I couldn't believe it had been a full three years since I dusted this off. Crazy.


Re your 5.1/stereo sentiments. I was a VERY late adopter and extremely skeptical myself. (I'm 52 and just got my first system 4 years ago). But now that I have it, not having the option on super deluxe re-releases is definitely a thorn. The prospect of pulling down the other speakers and getting Prince's voice isolated, (or the inverse of course), is top of the mountain for me musician wise. I do hope they give those of us who strongly desire this a chance to experience it some day.

Purple Music is a TOTAL feast for the ears. So many kibbles and bits. I just don't like the song melodically for some reason. (Believe me - I wish I did)! But I totally get why many hold it in such high regard!

Smiling ear to ear on your How Come comments. It's a Prince Mt Rushmore moment that comes totally out of left field!

Take care my friend! Thanks again!

so, maybe I'm not understanding 5.1 music...are you saying the mixes give isolated vocals in the centre channel with instrumentation on diff channels???

As for Purple Music...long timers like us have had that and others since the 80s. I never paid it any attention...until i heard it on this set and actually sat and listened. It was the P&B guys that described how many 'kibbles and bits' there were that made me go back...so so damn good. That he could play like that in 1982...wow.

The beauty of all of this is, we can go and explore whenever we want. Each tiem I listen, i feel i get more appreciation ...I hear more detail...i feel he was like a painter who spent HOUR on every brush stroke...everything mattered....everything was there intentionally.

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Reply #18 posted 09/22/22 12:40pm

JoeyCococo

Regarding "Extraloveable" and "Lust U Always": It's capricious to not include it. As you said, we can't instill retroactive morality into a document that is meant to be historical and contextual. It's obvious Prince never endorsed rape, nor would anyone with a sound mind.


Even through the sexual innuendo, Prince - in his lyrics - was looking for a mutually consentual good time. He got off by getting someone off. And isn't that what any good lover should be?

I agree with you but, you know how things are....this would possibly get the attention of some holier than thou punk azz kid writer on some b.s. site...

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Reply #19 posted 09/22/22 12:46pm

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I've got to stand up for If it'll Make You Happy.

I love it. It's a 9/10.
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Reply #20 posted 09/22/22 12:49pm

LoveGalore

Landonfunkmonkey said:

I've got to stand up for If it'll Make You Happy.

I love it. It's a 9/10.


I love it too. I think it's a killer song and he obviously remembered it and liked it enough to consider it as a candidate for CB2.
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Reply #21 posted 09/22/22 12:51pm

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dustoff said:

Am I the only one here who likes "Yah You Know"?

It's not Purple Rain or anything, but as a simple, fun little ditty it seems really effective to me.

I also like it. It reminds me a bit of "Let's go Crazy".

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Reply #22 posted 09/22/22 1:03pm

Fenwick

JoeyCococo said:






Hey Joey!

Thanks for the great reply! Time really is the greatest impediment. I couldn't believe it had been a full three years since I dusted this off. Crazy.


Re your 5.1/stereo sentiments. I was a VERY late adopter and extremely skeptical myself. (I'm 52 and just got my first system 4 years ago). But now that I have it, not having the option on super deluxe re-releases is definitely a thorn. The prospect of pulling down the other speakers and getting Prince's voice isolated, (or the inverse of course), is top of the mountain for me musician wise. I do hope they give those of us who strongly desire this a chance to experience it some day.

Purple Music is a TOTAL feast for the ears. So many kibbles and bits. I just don't like the song melodically for some reason. (Believe me - I wish I did)! But I totally get why many hold it in such high regard!

Smiling ear to ear on your How Come comments. It's a Prince Mt Rushmore moment that comes totally out of left field!

Take care my friend! Thanks again!





so, maybe I'm not understanding 5.1 music...are you saying the mixes give isolated vocals in the centre channel with instrumentation on diff channels???



As for Purple Music...long timers like us have had that and others since the 80s. I never paid it any attention...until i heard it on this set and actually sat and listened. It was the P&B guys that described how many 'kibbles and bits' there were that made me go back...so so damn good. That he could play like that in 1982...wow.



The beauty of all of this is, we can go and explore whenever we want. Each tiem I listen, i feel i get more appreciation ...I hear more detail...i feel he was like a painter who spent HOUR on every brush stroke...everything mattered....everything was there intentionally.




Yes that is precisely what the 5.1 medium does. Depending on who has access to the master tracks and how they choose to separate the instruments/voice, it creates all sorts of opportunities to isolate tracks around the room
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Reply #23 posted 09/22/22 1:08pm

Fenwick

TrivialPursuit said:



Fenwick said:



Hey E!


Thanks for the reply. I really like your perspective on Money. It completely makes sense even if it doesn't change my feeling about the song!!!! razz razz razz




You must've missed that when we were texting weeks ago because of your blind disregard for the song. lol

Regarding "Extraloveable" and "Lust U Always": It's capricious to not include it. As you said, we can't instill retroactive morality into a document that is meant to be historical and contextual. It's obvious Prince never endorsed rape, nor would anyone with a sound mind.

So to include it would be as logical as not CGI'ing out the World Trade Center in old episodes of Friends or Will & Grace or NYPD Blue. It's as logical as not removing every rape scene in a movie. It's very Owellian to go back and try to edit history; things that are unchangeable.

If they want to put some warning label or disclaimer in the package, then do so, but release it the damn songs.

Lastly, I believe a song like "Extraloveable" is also important in the context of Prince songwriting history because most of his songs about women are from a submissive point of view; one that has him asking, or even begging, to be with a woman. It's rarely, if ever, an aggressive stance that "I'm just gonna take it." He's talking a girl down from being a tramp in songs like "Little Red Corvette." It's not "I'm going to fuck you," it's we can fuck, let's pretend we're married, do me baby, take me with you. It's pleading or mutual.

Even through the sexual innuendo, Prince - in his lyrics - was looking for a mutually consentual good time. He got off by getting someone off. And isn't that what any good lover should be?





Could not have summarized my sentiments regarding the excluded tracks better with a month to prepare! Wonderfully put!
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Reply #24 posted 09/22/22 2:30pm

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By the way, I 100% disagree with Fenwick over his quasi-aggressive stance on "Delirious."

To my knowledge, it's the first song from 1999 that I heard on the radio. But, my aunt had a 1977 red Corvette Stingray (with a t-top) and blasted that all the time. I just forget which one came first to my earhole. But I distinctly remember "Delirious" on KJ-103 in Oklahoma City.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #25 posted 09/22/22 2:44pm

LoveGalore

Delirious is a genius song and one of his first and best uses of his deeper registers. The way he sings the title is signature Prince.
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Reply #26 posted 09/22/22 2:59pm

strongoxman1

dustoff said:

Am I the only one here who likes "Yah You Know"?



It's not Purple Rain or anything, but as a simple, fun little ditty it seems really effective to me.



Definitely not the only one -- I quite enjoy it, myself.
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Reply #27 posted 09/22/22 3:01pm

strongoxman1

LoveGalore said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

I've got to stand up for If it'll Make You Happy.

I love it. It's a 9/10.


I love it too. I think it's a killer song and he obviously remembered it and liked it enough to consider it as a candidate for CB2.


I also enjoy it, along with Someone 2 Call; Prince never did enough reggae for someone so funky.
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Reply #28 posted 09/22/22 3:14pm

Fenwick

TrivialPursuit said:

By the way, I 100% disagree with Fenwick over his quasi-aggressive stance on "Delirious."

To my knowledge, it's the first song from 1999 that I heard on the radio. But, my aunt had a 1977 red Corvette Stingray (with a t-top) and blasted that all the time. I just forget which one came first to my earhole. But I distinctly remember "Delirious" on KJ-103 in Oklahoma City.




Hey hey hey now!!!

I rated the song a six! I like it! (I do NOT like Free). It’s just the rest of the album is basically littered with masterpieces stem to stern. Delirious just happens to be my next to least favorite song on the record. But it is still a good song!!!!!
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Reply #29 posted 09/22/22 3:25pm

paisleyparkgir
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strongoxman1 said:

LoveGalore said:
I love it too. I think it's a killer song and he obviously remembered it and liked it enough to consider it as a candidate for CB2.
I also enjoy it, along with Someone 2 Call; Prince never did enough reggae for someone so funky.

Is there a studio version of Someone 2 call ? I've only heard the rehearsal version.

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