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Reply #90 posted 06/19/22 2:06am

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JorisE73 said:



LoveGalore said:


JorisE73 said:
'Here' being the keyword. All releases and more (upcomming) things have been discussed and predicted weeks, months and even almost a year before they were officially announced, just not on here. [Edited 6/14/22 0:08am]

Sure and I concede that info comes out elsewhere too. But why not add that context too? Isn't that part of a normal conversation? Non sequiturs tend to just rile people up. Everyone here is thirsty.


I know.
I also find it annoying these days that people don't spread the info as widely as possible and especially on here.
I used to come here for exclusive new info and now nothing gets shared here but only on private groups that get a condensed version of info that's shared fully somewhre else with a disclaimer it cant be shared anywhere else and especially not on Prince.org, by people who used to be on here alot.
After that whole Militant/Casey Rain fiasco happend people felt disgusted and left with the info because it seems nothing gets even shared here privately via orgnotes anymore by said people.

It is what it is, the knowledgable people have left here and every now and then they post a little bit of really great info and stuff to us ordinary fans somewhere else and i always check on here to see if it gets shared here, but nobody repost it here. I think this place is realy dying and all the orgers with intersting info have left here and avoid anything regarding Prince.org.

1999 SDE was unofficially announced on a private Discord server almost a year before it was officially announced and was reviewed and analyzed months before it was released.
Purple Rain Deluxe tracklist was shared on a Japanese fan site and on a Google+ site and a week later Militant/Casey Rain/Violet Reality claimed that info as his/there own.
Originals was unofficially announced or talked about with a rumoured release date and tracklist (that turned out to be true) months before it was officially announced on some non-Prince subReddit.
Parade and SOTT SDE's were detailed almost 2 years before the release of SOTT SDE.
D&P SDE
was rumoured and discussed to have been worked on months before the rumours started here.
W2A was unofficially announced and even a version of it was shared 4 months before it was officially announced.
Purple Rain Live Blu Ray was said to have been worked on weeks before the official announcement.

Same for the demo singles, I Feel FOr You and Do Me Baby (and other demos for potential releases)

The only thing really new was Piano and Mic 83 that came out of the blue.
The soundboard audio for the complete Glam Slam show that was screended at the celebration was shared to some a week before the announcement that it would be screened, that is hardly a coincidence IMO.

There have been more rumors but I'm not privy to that info and have to wait untill it reaches another place I'm on.
All this info and rumours came from a well known ex-orger.

Just saying. Its to bad Prince.org isn't what it used to be.


[Edited 6/15/22 5:58am]



D&P was rumoured one year and an half ago. I was the first here opening a topic about it at the time to spread the " Information" From Schkopi.

I also expressed the fact the timing was impossible to deliver. How visionary I was.
Now, WB has to share the rights with Sony, so D&P is already a loooong-time dead project.
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Reply #91 posted 06/19/22 4:35am

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people were talking about d&p and w2a in october of 2020

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Reply #92 posted 06/19/22 4:45am

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lustmealways said:

people were talking about d&p and w2a in october of 2020



These people were terribly wrong then, when you know that a few months later they announced W2A, and even before then, Mathieu Bitton, the designer, twitted about a very intimate project that was to be released.

How many trolls were there here bashing this D&P project, before even seeing a tracklist. Insane.
I hope they are comfortable with the Live at Syracuse instead.
Now, they must be glad, cause they re not ready to see an SDE for a ling time.
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Reply #93 posted 06/19/22 5:40am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

no one needs those npgmc releases to be re-released for many years.



they are well and truly minor in the context of prince's catalogue.



I need it, I never listened to most of it, since it wasn't released before. So that's better than nothing.
I would rather have am SDE, or a new album, or Originals too, but that's not going to happen before a long time, if ever.

Even WB seems stuck in that deal : they are supposed to have the full right s to Parade SDE, that was unofficially announced even before Originals. Why would WB wait for years without releasing anything if they really could?

So I hope they would go with the NPGMC next year ( maybe with a streaming/download service a la NPGMC to create some kind of " Event") Than with nothing or a Live at Syracuse re-re-release with a terrible picture.
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Reply #94 posted 06/19/22 5:59am

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If there's an issue with rights now that 2 company's own chunks of the catalog, I don't see why WB can't just release SDE's of Parade, Batman, Grafitti Bridge, or Purple Rain, since they still have complete rights to the soundracks. I suppose there's the Netflix issue with video footage, and their right of first refusal of footage for the documentary, but hopefully that's almost finished. In the meantime, they could easily put out another Originals volume.

I'm not sure where the complete rights start for Sony. Perhaps Emancipation? I would take an SDE for Emancipation, even though it's already long as hell, if it means finally getting to hear The Divine. Musicolgy and 3121 were successful and could be released with outtakes and live footage, and in the case of 3121, they have an entire film they could release with it.

They both have plenty of goodies they could release until things are ironed out. I'm sure there's another W2A type of album sitting on the shelf as well. And if they can't figure out the rights issue, Sony can release a remastered classic album with a live disc/DVD, and WB could release a companion album of outtakes simultaneously. None of this stuff is impossible. Just put the shit out!


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Reply #95 posted 06/19/22 6:17am

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johnpiex said:

If there's an issue with rights now that 2 company's own chunks of the catalog, I don't see why WB can't just release SDE's of Parade, Batman, Grafitti Bridge, or Purple Rain, since they still have complete rights to the soundracks. I suppose there's the Netflix issue with video footage, and their right of first refusal of footage for the documentary, but hopefully that's almost finished. In the meantime, they could easily put out another Originals volume.

I'm not sure where the complete rights start for Sony. Perhaps Emancipation? I would take an SDE for Emancipation, even though it's already long as hell, if it means finally getting to hear The Divine. Musicolgy and 3121 were successful and could be released with outtakes and live footage, and in the case of 3121, they have an entire film they could release with it.

They both have plenty of goodies they could release until things are ironed out. I'm sure there's another W2A type of album sitting on the shelf as well. And if they can't figure out the rights issue, Sony can release a remastered classic album with a live disc/DVD, and WB could release a companion album of outtakes simultaneously. None of this stuff is impossible. Just put the shit out!




Nonsense.
Sony already re-released Musicology, 3121, Emancipation, etc. That would be ridiculous to re-release again these albums.
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Reply #96 posted 06/19/22 8:06am

FrankieCoco1

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

no one needs those npgmc releases to be re-released for many years.



they are well and truly minor in the context of prince's catalogue.



As only been released digitally, I would buy a physical version of a joint Chocolate Invasion/Slaughterhouse release, maybe if it had a bonus edition with an extra vinyl/CD of 00’s “cyber” singles/alternative versions, e.g.

Judas Smile 6:39 (original version - NPGMC #7, 28 Aug 2001)
Sex Me? Sex Me Not 4:27 (Original version - NPGMC #5, 11 June 2001)
U Make My Sun Shine 5:52/3? (single version, 21 Dec 2000)
Vavoom 4:05 (NPGMC Edition #10 version, released 15 Nov 2001)
One Song
Magnificent
Silver Tongue
The Dance (original version)
United States Of Division
Glass cutter
F.U.N.K.

There was gonna be 7 CD Chocolate Invasion release at one point that got cancelled. If that’s found in the vault that could be released at some point.

BUT for the next release, which I wish is in the 2nd half of this year, I want an SDE, preferably Parade but would take D&P.
[Edited 6/19/22 8:08am]
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Reply #97 posted 06/19/22 8:32am

garneren

Can anybody point to a reliable source for information about what exactly the battle between Warner and Sony is about?

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Reply #98 posted 06/19/22 11:09am

SoulAlive

johnpiex said:

If there's an issue with rights now that 2 company's own chunks of the catalog, I don't see why WB can't just release SDE's of Parade, Batman, Grafitti Bridge, or Purple Rain, since they still have complete rights to the soundracks. I suppose there's the Netflix issue with video footage, and their right of first refusal of footage for the documentary, but hopefully that's almost finished. In the meantime, they could easily put out another Originals volume.

I'm not sure where the complete rights start for Sony. Perhaps Emancipation? I would take an SDE for Emancipation, even though it's already long as hell, if it means finally getting to hear The Divine. Musicolgy and 3121 were successful and could be released with outtakes and live footage, and in the case of 3121, they have an entire film they could release with it.

They both have plenty of goodies they could release until things are ironed out. I'm sure there's another W2A type of album sitting on the shelf as well. And if they can't figure out the rights issue, Sony can release a remastered classic album with a live disc/DVD, and WB could release a companion album of outtakes simultaneously. None of this stuff is impossible. Just put the shit out!


I agree....jut get this stuff out!

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Reply #99 posted 06/19/22 11:29am

SoulAlive

no more excuses,no more delays....just get it out there! and isn't the Parade SDE all set and ready to go anyway?

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Reply #100 posted 06/19/22 4:26pm

Ramzoo

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I'm glad that we don't expect any release now, so it's time 4 an announcement.
I truly hope 4 Parade SDE...
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Reply #101 posted 06/19/22 4:40pm

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Ramzoo said:

I'm glad that we don't expect any release now, so it's time 4 an announcement.
I truly hope 4 Parade SDE...


And why would WB have deliberately sit on it for two years ?
Can you tell me why? Can anybody explain this gap?
No.

Their last announcement was more than two years ago, that was for SOTT SDE.

Parade SDE is as dead as a doornail.
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Reply #102 posted 06/19/22 6:25pm

Milty2

RODSERLING said:

Ramzoo said:
I'm glad that we don't expect any release now, so it's time 4 an announcement. I truly hope 4 Parade SDE...
And why would WB have deliberately sit on it for two years ? Can you tell me why? Can anybody explain this gap? No. Their last announcement was more than two years ago, that was for SOTT SDE. Parade SDE is as dead as a doornail.


Why are you so angry?

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Reply #103 posted 06/20/22 12:40am

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Milty2 said:



RODSERLING said:


Ramzoo said:
I'm glad that we don't expect any release now, so it's time 4 an announcement. I truly hope 4 Parade SDE...

And why would WB have deliberately sit on it for two years ? Can you tell me why? Can anybody explain this gap? No. Their last announcement was more than two years ago, that was for SOTT SDE. Parade SDE is as dead as a doornail.


Why are you so angry?



Not angry at all😀 just asking continuously the same relevant questions for months that nobody seems to ask.
Maybe one day I will get a relevant answer.
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Reply #104 posted 06/20/22 1:05am

JorisE73

RODSERLING said:

JorisE73 said:


I know.
I also find it annoying these days that people don't spread the info as widely as possible and especially on here.
I used to come here for exclusive new info and now nothing gets shared here but only on private groups that get a condensed version of info that's shared fully somewhre else with a disclaimer it cant be shared anywhere else and especially not on Prince.org, by people who used to be on here alot.
After that whole Militant/Casey Rain fiasco happend people felt disgusted and left with the info because it seems nothing gets even shared here privately via orgnotes anymore by said people.

It is what it is, the knowledgable people have left here and every now and then they post a little bit of really great info and stuff to us ordinary fans somewhere else and i always check on here to see if it gets shared here, but nobody repost it here. I think this place is realy dying and all the orgers with intersting info have left here and avoid anything regarding Prince.org.

1999 SDE was unofficially announced on a private Discord server almost a year before it was officially announced and was reviewed and analyzed months before it was released.
Purple Rain Deluxe tracklist was shared on a Japanese fan site and on a Google+ site and a week later Militant/Casey Rain/Violet Reality claimed that info as his/there own.
Originals was unofficially announced or talked about with a rumoured release date and tracklist (that turned out to be true) months before it was officially announced on some non-Prince subReddit.
Parade and SOTT SDE's were detailed almost 2 years before the release of SOTT SDE.
D&P SDE
was rumoured and discussed to have been worked on months before the rumours started here.
W2A was unofficially announced and even a version of it was shared 4 months before it was officially announced.
Purple Rain Live Blu Ray was said to have been worked on weeks before the official announcement.

Same for the demo singles, I Feel FOr You and Do Me Baby (and other demos for potential releases)

The only thing really new was Piano and Mic 83 that came out of the blue.
The soundboard audio for the complete Glam Slam show that was screended at the celebration was shared to some a week before the announcement that it would be screened, that is hardly a coincidence IMO.

There have been more rumors but I'm not privy to that info and have to wait untill it reaches another place I'm on.
All this info and rumours came from a well known ex-orger.

Just saying. Its to bad Prince.org isn't what it used to be.

[Edited 6/15/22 5:58am]

D&P was rumoured one year and an half ago. I was the first here opening a topic about it at the time to spread the " Information" From Schkopi. I also expressed the fact the timing was impossible to deliver. How visionary I was. Now, WB has to share the rights with Sony, so D&P is already a loooong-time dead project.


D&P and W2A were mentioned to be worked on in july/august 2020, long before Schkopi mentioned it. No release date was pinned for either yet because that was just speculation from fans just like with Parade SDE.

D&P was already said to have been put on on the backburner in a post/mail in november 2020 and W2A was said to be worked on for release but most likely not as the version that was shared to some back then.
Around that time a alternate W2A album and the original TRC testpressing with a different A-side and later the testpressing for 3121 (with 'Streets of Panama' on it) were shared among some and more rumors were flying around about those albums. The 3121 and TRC potential releasee rumors were denied quickly when the person who shared them said they were not being worked on and the info was just dropped by him for the anniversary of the albums. Some people here were shared the info and the rips of those original testpressings in private but as usual nothing was shared here or other places in public.

Still want to read all the write ups on the SDE's and the other releases from the guy. I know he shared or shares them to some here but it would be great if he would come back here and post them here just to give this site a boost again. But wil probably Never happen.
Most people who are casually interested in Prince wll probably find this site first and when they see what kind of wasteland it has become it will probably chase them off. shrug

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Reply #105 posted 06/20/22 1:13am

JorisE73

RODSERLING said:

Milty2 said:


Why are you so angry?

Not angry at all😀 just asking continuously the same relevant questions for months that nobody seems to ask. Maybe one day I will get a relevant answer.



This was explained almost 3 years ago somewhere else but irrelevant to share publicly I guess because nothing was officially announced about it (like with other projects they were/are working on.)

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Reply #106 posted 06/20/22 2:30am

love2thenines2
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https://mobile.twitter.co...g&s=19

If I guess something from Doc F.... don't expect something before a long time and if things are anyway release ... forget the beautiful big box like SOTT SDE or others things like this...The Estate with Comica/M.Howe
is dead ..soon A new MJ style Estate will be in tha house!
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Reply #107 posted 06/20/22 4:13am

LoveGalore

love2thenines2003 said:

https://mobile.twitter.co...g&s=19

If I guess something from Doc F.... don't expect something before a long time and if things are anyway release ... forget the beautiful big box like SOTT SDE or others things like this...The Estate with Comica/M.Howe
is dead ..soon A new MJ style Estate will be in tha house!


You trust a man with that hair?
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Reply #108 posted 06/20/22 4:18am

Milty2

RODSERLING said:

Milty2 said:


Why are you so angry?

Not angry at all😀 just asking continuously the same relevant questions for months that nobody seems to ask. Maybe one day I will get a relevant answer.

Ok well maybe try responding to posts on here with a little more civility and a lot less "I".

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Reply #109 posted 06/20/22 5:07am

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have we considered the fact that things may be even better in the future and that the releases will truly be comprehensive this time around and the new management may make the leap into some sort of streaming site/subscription for the boatload of stuff that will never find a proper home.

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Reply #110 posted 06/20/22 5:13am

JorisE73

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have we considered the fact that things may be even better in the future and that the releases will truly be comprehensive this time around and the new management may make the leap into some sort of streaming site/subscription for the boatload of stuff that will never find a proper home.


I really hope so, but I have this dread that with a new management we'll get deluxe editions with contemporary artist remixing or even worse adding there voice or whatever to classic tracks or even outtakes. I really don't want to buy a Purple Rain SDE with Justin Timberlake or Jay-Z or lil Wayne or whoever idiot rapping or singing on some Darling Nikki or I would Die 4 U version or Katie Perry or Lady Gaga autotuning along to Take Me with U.

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Reply #111 posted 06/20/22 5:14am

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lustmealways said:

have we considered the fact that things may be even better in the future and that the releases will truly be comprehensive this time around and the new management may make the leap into some sort of streaming site/subscription for the boatload of stuff that will never find a proper home.

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Good point.

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Reply #112 posted 06/20/22 7:53am

Milty2

olb99 said:

lustmealways said:

have we considered the fact that things may be even better in the future and that the releases will truly be comprehensive this time around and the new management may make the leap into some sort of streaming site/subscription for the boatload of stuff that will never find a proper home.

.

Good point.

Yes good point. Many of us were complaining about the previous SDEs and one-off releases anyway. I do admit that I felt that the releases up until now kind of just appreared or were just announced - that's not a complaint on my part because I've loved everyting so far released but I never felt like there was any formalization of the catalogue. Maybe the Estate is getting its act together now and reconfiguring itself. I hope so anyway.

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Reply #113 posted 06/20/22 8:42am

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Yes, maybe they will go with obvious more profitable projects.
The most obvious ones appears to me the last Piano and Mic concerts, and the last studio recordings- more or less finished.

This is something that could drag many fans, and interest a larger audience, just for the curiosity of it, like with This Is It.

It's just that it won't be soon, now that a judge has to decide these legal things, with new parties involved.
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