independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Prince's Aftershows
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 2 12>
Reply   New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 11/18/21 11:02am

Milty2

Prince's Aftershows

For a pop icon (and before he was a pop icon), Prince's aftershows were legendary right? Many of us on here have attended them. I only got to see one though.

I don't know of any other major music star that does this (not to say that there isn't one) but I've always wondered what drove him to perform these tiny shows right after he just played an arena or stadium. Did he want to flex some of the muscles he couldn't at the main show or was it to stay connected to something more intimate? I think it's a bit of both but more the latter.

Would be interested in what others think.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 11/18/21 12:48pm

motherfunka

avatar

In the beginning, I think it was a way for him of breaking the monotony of the setlist of the main shows. I think later it's what people expected. Pre-selling tickets to the after shows kind of took some of the fun out of it. The whole will he? won't he? was part of the excitment.

TRUE BLUE
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 11/18/21 1:47pm

GustavoRibas

avatar

Like Eric Leeds said, Prince had the ethics of jazz. So, I can understand why an arena concert with the hits wouldnt be enough for him and he would need a smaller place where he could cover songs, play instrumentals, improvise and play more obscure songs.

.

By the way, I am curious: was Prince the only guy that did aftershows?

.

[Edited 11/18/21 13:48pm]

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 11/18/21 1:52pm

dm3857

I agree with what the others have said. I’ll also add that Prince was known to be a night owl, add that on top of being someone who just genuinely loves to play music.. given the option to go stay up in a hotel room after the show and try to get sleepy.. or go jam.. he chose to jam.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 11/19/21 1:13am

udo

avatar

Hasn't his been beaten to death?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 11/19/21 2:17am

Vannormal

-

I have no idea really... there surely must be artists/bands who did aftershows too...

Can hardly believe Prince would be the only one.

Then again, I can't imagine Michael Jackson ever doing one aftershow. wink

-

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 11/19/21 4:30am

jdcxc

No other major pop musicians have done this with the regularity of Prince. The logistics, security, energy and musical passion alone make it a difficult feat. There are so many things Prince did that were unique and iconic. He was a rare butterfly.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 11/19/21 7:13am

herb4

avatar

I've heard Prince described as "the worlds most famous and popular underground artist". The aftershows were a huge part of that. The three I saw were better for the most part over the 8 regular shows I attended and I wish he'd brought more of that spontaneous energy to his tours. There was just something so organic and free form to them that had a way of generating some real artistry that allowed him to flex along with the band (who also seemed to have a wider berth). I bet his band members loved doing these, even if they were tired.

The main shows, while usually fantastic, always had an undertone of rigid rehearsal and a scripted quality to them - to where i didn't think I was missing much if I saw him Philly one night but missed him NYC. I attended 2 ONA shows, 2 H&R 2001 shows and two Musicology ones and it was 97% the same experience each time.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 11/19/21 8:12am

rafael

Vannormal said:

-


I have no idea really... there surely must be artists/bands who did aftershows too...


Can hardly believe Prince would be the only one.


Then again, I can't imagine Michael Jackson ever doing one aftershow. wink


-



Back in the days artists did early and late shows ( Hendrix, Doors). Same idea.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 11/19/21 8:21am

udo

avatar

Same idea??

I beg to differ.

A simple early and late show is jut an opportunity to earn more money.

A normal concert and wholly different, more intimate show: a different beast.

If you never listened to aftershows, or barely visited one, then yes you have no idea if you never read a book about Prince or watched a few docco's,

Prince was Prince. Not to be compared with other humans.

So his needs and desires w.r.t. performing were different.

Listen and you can start to understand.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 11/19/21 8:53am

savagedreams

I really think its as simple as he just wanted to always create and play and didnt know how to not do that. when he was at home he was always in the studio. 80s and 90s a mobile studio wasnt really practical to haul around like it is today so he hit the stage, any stage, instead.

[Edited 11/19/21 8:54am]

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 11/19/21 10:01am

SantanaMaitrey
a

rafael said:

Vannormal said:

-


I have no idea really... there surely must be artists/bands who did aftershows too...


Can hardly believe Prince would be the only one.


Then again, I can't imagine Michael Jackson ever doing one aftershow. wink


-



Back in the days artists did early and late shows ( Hendrix, Doors). Same idea.

Not really. That was two shows in the same venue and more or less the same set, like Prince did with 3rdEyeGirl. I don't remember U2 or the Stones or Bob Dylan doing a club gig after a big show; Prince really was unique in that sense. I think it was because he was so unstoppable and he just loved to jam and he liked the adventure and improvisation which he couldn't do in the big shows. And Prince always loved to try out new songs before an audience.
For whatever reason, the only tour since he became a star that didn't feature any aftershows was the Nude Tour. Maybe he thought his new band didn't have enough experience?
[Edited 11/19/21 10:02am]
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 11/19/21 9:02pm

Graycap23

avatar

I've seen more live acts that I can count.......Prince is the only artist that I know of that did this on a regular basis.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 11/20/21 4:25am

udo

avatar

`Questions` like from the OP show a lack of thinking, a lack of investigation, reading, viewing, listening..

As aftershows are on of the essentail things that discern Prince from any other artists it is a blatant lack of effort into understanding stuff.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 11/20/21 9:08am

udo

avatar

To conpensate, buy or download a few b00l3gs of these aftershows...

And listen!

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 11/20/21 2:46pm

tab32792

SantanaMaitreya said:

rafael said:



Back in the days artists did early and late shows ( Hendrix, Doors). Same idea.

Not really. That was two shows in the same venue and more or less the same set, like Prince did with 3rdEyeGirl. I don't remember U2 or the Stones or Bob Dylan doing a club gig after a big show; Prince really was unique in that sense. I think it was because he was so unstoppable and he just loved to jam and he liked the adventure and improvisation which he couldn't do in the big shows. And Prince always loved to try out new songs before an audience.
For whatever reason, the only tour since he became a star that didn't feature any aftershows was the Nude Tour. Maybe he thought his new band didn't have enough experience?
[Edited 11/19/21 10:02am]



The band he had was barely new outside of Michael b and Rosie. Michael bland said on Facebook that Prince was busy a lot that year with the movie and being frustrated so he just didn’t want to or have the time
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 11/20/21 5:33pm

herb4

avatar

udo said:

To conpensate, buy or download a few b00l3gs of these aftershows...

And listen!


You're rather preachy and agressive in this thread. WHy are you talking down to everyone?

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 11/20/21 7:59pm

udo

avatar

herb4 said:

udo said:

To conpensate, buy or download a few b00l3gs of these aftershows...

And listen!


You're rather preachy and agressive in this thread. WHy are you talking down to everyone?

.

'Preacy' not my words. Not my perception.

'Agressive': same.

'Down'?

It is all perception.

But my argument is in facts.

If on a Prince forum one must question the aftershow, one does not 'get' Prince.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 11/21/21 10:38am

SantanaMaitrey
a

tab32792 said:

SantanaMaitreya said:


Not really. That was two shows in the same venue and more or less the same set, like Prince did with 3rdEyeGirl. I don't remember U2 or the Stones or Bob Dylan doing a club gig after a big show; Prince really was unique in that sense. I think it was because he was so unstoppable and he just loved to jam and he liked the adventure and improvisation which he couldn't do in the big shows. And Prince always loved to try out new songs before an audience.
For whatever reason, the only tour since he became a star that didn't feature any aftershows was the Nude Tour. Maybe he thought his new band didn't have enough experience?
[Edited 11/19/21 10:02am]



The band he had was barely new outside of Michael b and Rosie. Michael bland said on Facebook that Prince was busy a lot that year with the movie and being frustrated so he just didn’t want to or have the time

Yeah, okay, his band had new and old members. I also remember Michael B saying that Dr. Fink wasn't really into it anymore. While they were jamming, he was reading a keyboard magazine. And together with the things you mention and the Nude Tour being a way to make money, I guess Prince just wasn't interesten in doing aftershows at that time.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 11/21/21 10:42am

SantanaMaitrey
a

herb4 said:



udo said:


To conpensate, buy or download a few b00l3gs of these aftershows...


And listen!




You're rather preachy and agressive in this thread. WHy are you talking down to everyone?


1) Udo has seen a lot of Prince shows.
2) Udo has b00tlegs to sell. His avatar is the cover of a b00tleg CD. (Rotterdam 1998, I was there, thank U for the recording, Udo.)
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 11/21/21 4:47pm

udo

avatar

I do not sell anything here.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 11/21/21 9:50pm

thebanishedone

avatar

Prince didn't do aftershows b4 1986.Paris New Morning 1986 is the first ever aftershow played by Prince and the Revolution
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 11/21/21 11:05pm

mb71

avatar

thebanishedone said:

Prince didn't do aftershows b4 1986.Paris New Morning 1986 is the first ever aftershow played by Prince and the Revolution

Actually the first time he played what could be considered an aftershow was at Busby's in London on 13th August '86.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 11/22/21 12:13am

grantevans

avatar

mb71 said:



thebanishedone said:


Prince didn't do aftershows b4 1986.Paris New Morning 1986 is the first ever aftershow played by Prince and the Revolution

Actually the first time he played what could be considered an aftershow was at Busby's in London on 13th August '86.



There were aftershow before that I believe
Hotel.lobby after purple rain show for example.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 11/22/21 12:18am

udo

avatar

Can we please be more specific? https://www.princevault.c...ppearances

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 11/22/21 11:53pm

lavendardrumma
chine

It's been said Prince needed the after shows to cool down from performing arenas, and he'd be buzzing with adrenaline, so it was an outlet for all the extra energy. It also gave him the freedom to play whatever he wanted to play, and get indulgent, and later he'd play with different musicians or not play at all and just watch.

Some of the early ones were to stay rooted in small clubs, or play new material that wasn't out yet, or play covers and songs that weren't part of their normal sets, or hell, to cozy up to someone he was courting. It also fed into the mythology he was building. Later on they were a source of cash for philanthropy or just to cover expenses without promoters taking a cut.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 11/23/21 7:56am

LoveRobot

udo said:

herb4 said:


You're rather preachy and agressive in this thread. WHy are you talking down to everyone?

.

'Preacy' not my words. Not my perception.

'Agressive': same.

'Down'?

It is all perception.

But my argument is in facts.

If on a Prince forum one must question the aftershow, one does not 'get' Prince.

At least learn to spell properly if you are going to try to be condescending to people.


I don't often post on here but I have to say that reading your constant belittling of people's innocent questions is a little bit difficult to swallow.

It seems to happen on multiple threads.

The org is not helped by perceived elitism and attitudes towards people probably just beginning to discover Prince's music. We should be encouraging people to ask questions and to engage in debate not trying to slap them down.


I don't think it reflects very well upon you.

Maybe take a deep breath.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 11/23/21 8:10am

Milty2

LoveRobot said:

udo said:

.

'Preacy' not my words. Not my perception.

'Agressive': same.

'Down'?

It is all perception.

But my argument is in facts.

If on a Prince forum one must question the aftershow, one does not 'get' Prince.

At least learn to spell properly if you are going to try to be condescending to people.


I don't often post on here but I have to say that reading your constant belittling of people's innocent questions is a little bit difficult to swallow.

It seems to happen on multiple threads.

The org is not helped by perceived elitism and attitudes towards people probably just beginning to discover Prince's music. We should be encouraging people to ask questions and to engage in debate not trying to slap them down.


I don't think it reflects very well upon you.

Maybe take a deep breath.

You should read the two Orgnotes it sent me because I started this thread. With angry attitudes and the level of pomposity like that, it's no wonder so many people have left this place over the years.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 11/23/21 8:55am

herb4

avatar

LoveRobot said:

udo said:

.

'Preacy' not my words. Not my perception.

'Agressive': same.

'Down'?

It is all perception.

But my argument is in facts.

If on a Prince forum one must question the aftershow, one does not 'get' Prince.

At least learn to spell properly if you are going to try to be condescending to people.


I don't often post on here but I have to say that reading your constant belittling of people's innocent questions is a little bit difficult to swallow.

It seems to happen on multiple threads.

The org is not helped by perceived elitism and attitudes towards people probably just beginning to discover Prince's music. We should be encouraging people to ask questions and to engage in debate not trying to slap them down.


I don't think it reflects very well upon you.

Maybe take a deep breath.


Well, good to know it's not just me having a bug up my ass then.

On the subject of aftershows and back on topic, of all the things I want the estate to get to work on, I'd have to say it's that particular gold mine. I'd LOVE some video but would gladly settle for audio. Maybe once they get done milking the mainstream big sellers, they'll move into that direction and get the hardcore to open up thier wallets.

I think they'll have to eventually. After D&P, I don't think the line is gonna be too long for Batman and GB SDE's.

An All Bootleg/All Aftershow/CD/DVD/SDE of any sort across multiple decades would wet my fucking whistle for sure.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 11/24/21 2:35am

Vannormal

Up till now not one word from The estate on any released (or unreleased) project concerning an aftershow.

My favorite; ''Paard Van Troje''

One of the best aftershows ever !

But didn't the majority these aftershows only happen in Europe ?

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 2 12>
Reply   New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Prince's Aftershows