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Reply #30 posted 11/09/21 5:57am

udo

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Did we ever check out 'Michael Jackson - Thriller (2018) (25 Super Deluxe Edition)'?

Did we even notice how much `improvement` the songs 'with...' bring to the SDE?

It makes them look and sound dated...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #31 posted 11/09/21 6:03am

JorisE73

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Did we ever check out 'Michael Jackson - Thriller (2018) (25 Super Deluxe Edition)'?

Did we even notice how much `improvement` the songs 'with...' bring to the SDE?

It makes them look and sound dated...


To me that looked like they were trying to diminish the album.
What a garbage SDE that is.

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Reply #32 posted 11/09/21 8:00am

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Hell No! His musical legacy is fineā€¦commercial success is about marketing/timing/tastes more than the actual music. The Estate will have a hard enough time releasing all his ACTUAL music vs. trying to reproduce his music to meet trends. It will turnoff his Base and not generate hits.
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Reply #33 posted 11/09/21 8:34am

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My suggestion would be a biographical documentary movie based around Montreaux Jazz Festival 2009, with plenty of footage of him performing there in his mature prime, mixed with former band members and associates talking about him.

NO celebrity hangers-on who didn't really know him allowed cool.

On the DVD release, also include the complete shows from Montreux 2009, plus a CD boxset of the same.

Let his music and charisma speak for itself.

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Reply #34 posted 11/09/21 8:47am

udo

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MarshallStacks said:

My suggestion would be a biographical documentary movie based around Montreaux Jazz Festival 2009, with plenty of footage of him performing there in his mature prime, mixed with former band members and associates talking about him.

NO celebrity hangers-on who didn't really know him allowed cool.

On the DVD release, also include the complete shows from Montreux 2009, plus a CD boxset of the same.

Let his music and charisma speak for itself.

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Now that would be somthing I'd like!

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #35 posted 11/10/21 1:17am

JorisE73

MarshallStacks said:

My suggestion would be a biographical documentary movie based around Montreaux Jazz Festival 2009, with plenty of footage of him performing there in his mature prime, mixed with former band members and associates talking about him.

NO celebrity hangers-on who didn't really know him allowed cool.

On the DVD release, also include the complete shows from Montreux 2009, plus a CD boxset of the same.

Let his music and charisma speak for itself.


This is something I can get behind.
We don't need hip current 15 minute of fame talking heads on a serious Prince music doc. His music and the mountains of footage speak for themselves. Having some unassociated nobodies talking on there only diminishes the quality and would be hard to take seriously.
I think with all the recordings and footage in the Vault you could easily edit a 2 hour documnetary with no talking head input and just an occasional narrator to glue it together. Hell they could do this for each album or era/period.

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Reply #36 posted 11/10/21 5:23am

Vannormal

JorisE73 said:

MarshallStacks said:

My suggestion would be a biographical documentary movie based around Montreaux Jazz Festival 2009, with plenty of footage of him performing there in his mature prime, mixed with former band members and associates talking about him.

NO celebrity hangers-on who didn't really know him allowed cool.

On the DVD release, also include the complete shows from Montreux 2009, plus a CD boxset of the same.

Let his music and charisma speak for itself.


This is something I can get behind.
We don't need hip current 15 minute of fame talking heads on a serious Prince music doc. His music and the mountains of footage speak for themselves. Having some unassociated nobodies talking on there only diminishes the quality and would be hard to take seriously.
I think with all the recordings and footage in the Vault you could easily edit a 2 hour documnetary with no talking head input and just an occasional narrator to glue it together. Hell they could do this for each album or era/period.

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Sort of like the The Current/Andrea Swanson podcasts... but with imagery you mean.

I do agree though. A documentary with every new release SDE is doable.

It could be a great addition to the whole.

Well, we can all dream (on), can we...

No one really knows what Mr. Howe is up to next...

Kinda surprises me that Susan Rogers thinks Michael Howe is the best person out there to maintain the Vault material in California. She speaks high of him, praises him even...

I can't say i have anything against him( personally), but we barely get any information.

not even on how the matierial is being processed.

Some info can't hurt no one.

It can only makes us hopeful and happy, no ?

So a documentary probably is out of the question.

They are too cautious of saying or stating 'something'...

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #37 posted 11/10/21 3:19pm

GustavoRibas

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Buttox said:

Robert Johnson is idolised by many musicians but almost no one in the general public has heard of him. You want Prince to be the same in 50-100 years? Okay...šŸ™„ [Edited 11/8/21 8:25am]

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Well, if I had to choose between known or respected, I would surely choose respected.

Curtis Mayfield is less known than Madonna, but the people who know him acknowledge him as one of the greats.

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The thing that gets me frustrated about PrinceĀ“s legacy is that I know there are lots of musicians - from every genre - that respect him a lot, but there are still lots of people that see him only as a Ā“pop singer that made some success in the 80sĀ“. Until the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, for example, there were lots of people that didnt even know he could play guitar.

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Reply #38 posted 11/12/21 6:30am

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GustavoRibas said:

Buttox said:

Robert Johnson is idolised by many musicians but almost no one in the general public has heard of him. You want Prince to be the same in 50-100 years? Okay...šŸ™„ [Edited 11/8/21 8:25am]

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Well, if I had to choose between known or respected, I would surely choose respected.

Curtis Mayfield is less known than Madonna, but the people who know him acknowledge him as one of the greats.

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The thing that gets me frustrated about PrinceĀ“s legacy is that I know there are lots of musicians - from every genre - that respect him a lot, but there are still lots of people that see him only as a Ā“pop singer that made some success in the 80sĀ“. Until the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, for example, there were lots of people that didnt even know he could play guitar.


I agree.

I know some people commenting in this thread don't want any non-associated artists commenting on Prince in a documentary. I wouldn't mind as long as they have artists from across multiple genres to illustrate that Prince's influence and respects is much, much broader than just R&B/Pop.

In other words, if a documentary has only current R&B stars talking about how much Prince influenced their music, no one would be surprised and it would simply reinforce the idea that Prince was strictly an R&B artist. But if a documentary also featured people like Dave Grohl describing their admiration of Prince, that would take a lot of people in the general public by surprise, and it would drive home the breathe of Prince's influence.


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Reply #39 posted 11/12/21 8:23am

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If we were to allow 'outside' people, I'd want Dave Grohl in there.

No musical input, just interviews and such.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #40 posted 11/12/21 10:09am

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Buttox said:

I know some on here will cry sacrilege but truth is Prince was not very good at building and nurturing his legacy and responding to changes in music trends. This is why he stopped charting as a top top artist by the time of the Gold Experience.

Which is why I continued buying his new music when I had stopped buying everyone else's. Changing with musical styles is fine when new musical styles are still good. But when they turn into a bunch of boring shit hop and neo stool, then changing with the new musical styles is called selling out.

Given that point, should the Estate stop "respecting Prince's wishes"and start burnishing his legacy,? How?

I have no problem with not respecting his wishes. In later years, he changed into a stuffy person. I say release that old stuff in it's full, unscensored, nasty content. The more filthy and explicit, the better.

1 Whitney Houston and Elton John oldies have been reworked and given new leases of life. Why not some underappreciated Prince tracks?

Well, as far as the little Miss Goodie Two Shoes is concerned, she is the one whose success influenced everyone to make adult contemporary which ended up killing funk so doing what she had done is the exact opposite of what should be done.

2. Jimmy Jam confessed he once told Prince he and Terry wanted to produce him. Why not let Jam and Lewis produce an album of cream of the crop vault material? Or reworked underappreciated Prince album tracks or Bsides?

HELL naw! The last great thing they did was Janet Jackson's "Rhythm Nation". After that, they sold out to neo stool and became as boring and generic sounding as everyone else. Keep them as far away from Prince's music as possible.

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If something even resembles current music these days even in the slightest way, I hate it with a passion. Hell, I didn't even buy Prince's last few albums because he, himself had sold out to the current sound on a lot of the tracks.

3.Or go even bolder and produce a musician's version of Idol or the Voice. Instead of just singing covers of music standards, different teams of producers and artists pick and trade 8-10 songs from the Vault, rework them and perform them one song per week live. Rather than getting voted off each week the teams get ranked in a league table via a public vote and there are two winners by: the league table winner and a vote for each entire album of songs at the end. You could do this with established stars like Ronson, Calvin Harris, Daft Punk, The Weekend, Dallas Austin, Jam and Lewis, Dr Dre, Wendy and Lisa etc all competing with one another. Each episode could show the process of working on songs in detail rather than just performance rehearsal. I'd personally Binge watch something like that. Bracing myself for the response from the Prince cultists for whom I have j just blasphemed. confused

And those two shows are boring as hell and should have been taken off the air years ago. Hell, I hated "Star Search" back in the 1980s so I sure as hell hate "Idol" and "Voice" which are even more boring. If it ain't a battle of the bands trying to see who can throw down the hardest funk, I don't have time for it. Music is what makes my ass shake, not voices. You could have the best voice in the world but if there's no strong bass and drum driven music behind it, it is boring as hell.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #41 posted 11/20/21 4:45pm

GustavoRibas

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I noticed that every week I see at least something about Bowie, Freddie Mercury or Beatles in media. A documentary, a new book, a movie, a tribute, a street art on somebodyĀ“s Instagram, a B-day celebration, etc. While with Prince I mostly see it on his fan pages.

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Ok, here in Brasil, Prince wasnt popular since 87, but itĀ“s amazing how these artists mentioned above are much more talked about than he is. I dont know if itĀ“s only because of popularity, or if people are afraid of covering his music / using his image.

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