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20ten Appreciation Thread

20ten is massively underrated in my opinion.

I view it as his strongest album in some time - and his quality was already pretty solid, with him on a relative winning streak. It's funny since critically people seemed as though he'd lost the plot after the consistent attention and acclaim of Musicology.

The first half is the stronger one but even the ballads on the second half are enjoyable (especially Walk In Sand). My only real issue with the album is Everybody Loves Me, which could have been better with some less throwaway lyrics. I've seen a lot of people single out this track as the highpoint of the album, which is surprising to me.

I know the response has been pretty mixed, and I'm sure the distribution strategy didn't help anything.

What are your thoughts on this album, good or bad?

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Reply #1 posted 10/01/21 10:42pm

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And actually on a relisten I have to admit that the weird complexity of Everybody Loves Me is a bit more appealing than I remembered, although I still feel like the lyrics could be better.

Laydown has probably the coolest funk guitar on the album. It's easy to view this 'secret' track as separate from the rest of the album, and hearing 20ten on YT, which removes the silence and sequences the song as simply the final track strengthens the album significantly imo.

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Reply #2 posted 10/01/21 11:35pm

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It's a decent album but I think it could have been much stronger.

The first 6 songs are really enjoyable and then it takes a turn with Walk in Sand. I like walk in Sand but it doesn't fit this album.

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Reply #3 posted 10/02/21 12:22am

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No it was probably the first sign of the end.
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Reply #4 posted 10/02/21 12:57am

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I love the album, a feel good afternoon listen. I think expectations were high and the org was having an emotional meltdown upon the release of the album, but it’s a fun little project. I hope people revisit it more often smile
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Reply #5 posted 10/02/21 1:31am

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walk in sand is great.

lovely song. biggrin

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Reply #6 posted 10/02/21 3:51am

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One of his worst albums in my opinion. A man of his musical ability (not to mention age) should have been embarrassed putting out an album like 20Ten. And perhaps he was. Which would explain why he completely abandoned any plans for a "deluxe" version. For me, it ranks down there among Phase One and The Love Symbol albums as his "top 3" worst albums (not including ridiculous releases like N.E.W.S. and Kamasutra).

But as with even the worst of his work, there are one or two moments of good among all the bad. Future Soul Song and Sticky Like Glue are the obvious standouts. Add those two songs to Welcome 2 America in place of Running Game and Stand Up And B Strong and then you've got an album worthy of the artist.

But as it is, it's hard to think of 20Ten as anything other than a complete disaster.
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Reply #7 posted 10/02/21 4:34am

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Prince knew the albums he was making this decade were mostly uninspired and for no real .purpose other than to get some money in and to stir interest in his touring. They were just money grabbing projects to sell to papers or give away to concert goers. They were not really albums in the sense of a set of songs existing in and on their own merits. But there were always a few decent songs on each. Even a prince barely trying could come up with some good stuff. On this album it was future soul song and walk in sand.
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Reply #8 posted 10/02/21 6:16am

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Sorry, I'd rank it as one of his all time worst albums. The song Compassion is embarassingly bad. The only songs I enjoy are Sticky Like Glue and Laydown. Laveux is borderline for me.

This and Planet Earth are his only 21st Century albums I can't listen to at all. But my objections to those two albums are different. The style of music on Planet Earth simply isn't my cup of tea -- I don't deny that it has some merit. In contrast, I think 20Ten has no artisitic or technical merit.



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Reply #9 posted 10/02/21 6:43am

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Contains his best song of the millennium in Future Soul Song so there’s that.
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Reply #10 posted 10/02/21 10:25am

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Is my FAVORITE 2000's album by Prince(r.i.p.) from TOP 2 BOTTOM besides "Rainbow Children"....

I'm looking foward to hearing the rest of 20T3N Deluxe that Prince(r.i.p.) offered WBR for a deal that didn't happen until 2014.

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Reply #11 posted 10/02/21 12:07pm

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"20Ten" is a great album and one of my favorites!
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Reply #12 posted 10/02/21 1:53pm

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The style of music on Planet Earth simply isn't my cup of tea -- I don't deny that it has some merit.

I do deny it having any merit. It's a steaming piece of shit front to back. 2Oten absolutely slapps by comparison, but people like what they like so neither of us are wrong in our assessments. HOORAY

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Reply #13 posted 10/02/21 3:08pm

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It's got some good stuff on it but at the end of the day it's just another mid tier release.

2 or 3 great songs, 3 or 4 OK ones, 2 or 3 bad ones and, always, at least one clunker that makes you rush for the skip button.

I kept Beginning Endlessley, Sticky Like Glue, Lavaux and Laydown (which, to me, is the best track on the record). I like that Face Down style funky stuff. Everybody Loves Me is fucking embarassing.

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Reply #14 posted 10/02/21 7:58pm

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There's one, I never remember what it sounds like, the sea of everything.

I don't think I ever skipped it, but each times it comes, this is so boring my brain thinks about something else and wakes up only at Everybody Loves Me.

So in fact, it s like I never listened to it really.

I ve had hard time with WaLk in SaNd in the beginning too, but watching the music video made me love it :

https://youtu.be/lPfhxQMRTis

But the two Walk in Sand/ Sea of Everything in a row was too much to bear.
He should have replaced Sea by Cause and Effect IMHO.

Also my friends who didn't like Prince especially, loved at first listening Beginning Endlessly and Laydown.

I loved Compassion from the start, I think it's a very good opener, full of positive energy and it smelt good a bright day of summer.
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Reply #15 posted 10/02/21 8:17pm

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If Act of God were played just that little bit faster it would have been brilliant. Sounded awesome like that at SXSW.

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Reply #16 posted 10/02/21 9:38pm

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I like this album from start to finish

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Reply #17 posted 10/03/21 11:04am

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I dig most of 20Ten for real...but my preferred way of listening to it is as a combination with tracks from "MPLSound" to create a 9 track, 42 minute Funk/Rock/Dance album with no ballads. It would be the 1st P album without one... Even "The Funk Bible" had one. And '09's "LotusFlow3r" would've just been a single disc, which is one of his best IMO.

Here's the tracklist:
PRINCE: "Laydown"
1. Laydown
2. Beginning Endlessly
3. Chocolate Box
4. Dance 4 Me
5. Sticky Like Glue
6. Act Of God
7. Lavaux
8. Ol' Skool Company
9. No More Candy 4 U

The link for the playlist @ https://youtube.com/playl...j-ry0-9h51
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Reply #18 posted 10/03/21 12:30pm

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rebelenterprise said:

I dig most of 20Ten for real...but my preferred way of listening to it is as a combination with tracks from "MPLSound" to create a 9 track, 42 minute Funk/Rock/Dance album with no ballads. It would be the 1st P album without one... Even "The Funk Bible" had one. And '09's "LotusFlow3r" would've just been a single disc, which is one of his best IMO. Here's the tracklist: PRINCE: "Laydown" 1. Laydown 2. Beginning Endlessly 3. Chocolate Box 4. Dance 4 Me 5. Sticky Like Glue 6. Act Of God 7. Lavaux 8. Ol' Skool Company 9. No More Candy 4 U The link for the playlist @ https://youtube.com/playl...j-ry0-9h51


That works.

NPS is a lot of fun and pretty underrated. That's a good mix but I'd get Wasted Kisses in there somewhere.

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Reply #19 posted 10/03/21 12:52pm

LoveGalore

Sea of Everything and Walk In Sand are so fucking awful that it kills the album for me. I like Everybody Loves Me and can't stand cheesy af Laydown.

There was other good material recorded in that period that I wish he put on the album so it wasn't such a bomb.

Future Soul Song is incredible and carries the rest of the album. Lavaux is wonderful, I dig Act of God a lot, and Beginning Endlessly is not bad. It is such an uneven experience that it really is quite disappointing.
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herb4 said:

rebelenterprise said:

I dig most of 20Ten for real...but my preferred way of listening to it is as a combination with tracks from "MPLSound" to create a 9 track, 42 minute Funk/Rock/Dance album with no ballads. It would be the 1st P album without one... Even "The Funk Bible" had one. And '09's "LotusFlow3r" would've just been a single disc, which is one of his best IMO. Here's the tracklist: PRINCE: "Laydown" 1. Laydown 2. Beginning Endlessly 3. Chocolate Box 4. Dance 4 Me 5. Sticky Like Glue 6. Act Of God 7. Lavaux 8. Ol' Skool Company 9. No More Candy 4 U The link for the playlist @ https://youtube.com/playl...j-ry0-9h51


That works.

NPS is a lot of fun and pretty underrated. That's a good mix but I'd get Wasted Kisses in there somewhere.

rebelenterprise's post features tracks from MPLSound, not NPS.

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Reply #21 posted 10/03/21 7:33pm

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Just like with Planet Earth, it has a great run of songs for the first half. Take the first half of both of those and combine them into a good longer album.

Yeah, I like the retro "Hair" musical style energy of "Compassion".

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Reply #22 posted 10/04/21 4:07am

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26ten said:


Laydown has probably the coolest funk guitar on the album. It's easy to view this 'secret' track as separate from the rest of the album, and hearing 20ten on YT, which removes the silence and sequences the song as simply the final track strengthens the album significantly imo.

I actually put Laydown as the first track for my 20Ten playlist. The logic behind it being that if you listen to the album on repeat, there's a long silence before Laydown plays and then it goes straight into Compassion. So on a second run through, it's as if it is the first track.

I quite like the album overall, with the exception of Sea of Everything. For me, that is the most unlistenable track on any Prince album.

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Reply #23 posted 10/04/21 9:45am

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Its fine, but not his best. Works like a collection of ideas that work and dont work than something full fledged like Art Official Age, PretzelBodyLogic and even Lotus Flow3r.

It is not bad, there are some nice songs like Lavaux, Act of God, Beginning Endlessly and especially Sticky Like Glue.

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Reply #24 posted 10/04/21 10:45am

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WhisperingDandelions said:



herb4 said:




rebelenterprise said:


I dig most of 20Ten for real...but my preferred way of listening to it is as a combination with tracks from "MPLSound" to create a 9 track, 42 minute Funk/Rock/Dance album with no ballads. It would be the 1st P album without one... Even "The Funk Bible" had one. And '09's "LotusFlow3r" would've just been a single disc, which is one of his best IMO. Here's the tracklist: PRINCE: "Laydown" 1. Laydown 2. Beginning Endlessly 3. Chocolate Box 4. Dance 4 Me 5. Sticky Like Glue 6. Act Of God 7. Lavaux 8. Ol' Skool Company 9. No More Candy 4 U The link for the playlist @ https://youtube.com/playl...j-ry0-9h51


That works.

NPS is a lot of fun and pretty underrated. That's a good mix but I'd get Wasted Kisses in there somewhere.



rebelenterprise's post features tracks from MPLSound, not NPS.




Thanks herb4 for diggin' it & WhisperingDandelions, thanks for clarifying that for me. But yeah, if "Lotusflower" was released as a single disc (or a double with Bria's album if it had to be included) in '09 and then the playlist I posted was released as the album in 2010, with distribution from a major, I know it would've been another "hit" LP. An all uptempo Prince album for the 1st time with no ballads...& an updated return to the so-called "signature" sound? It would've been an interesting selling point.

"Dance 4 Me" would've been the 1st single, followed by "Sticky Like Glue" + "Ol' Skool Company"...all three with good psychedelic + trippy looking music videos. With some real backing in 2010, "Dance 4 Me" would've definitely been his biggest single since "Black Sweat", I'm sure. It's just too damn infectious not to be... if the proper promotion would've been involved, of course. And "Sticky Like Glue" would've been a perfect follow-up single.
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Reply #25 posted 10/04/21 5:53pm

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This thread got me thinking that perhaps I've been unfair to the song Compassion, so I just went and listened to it again... Sorry, ddin't change my mind. I think it sounds like the theme to a cheesy game show called "Compassion!" I would genuintely ratther listen to Purple and Gold.


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Reply #26 posted 10/04/21 6:27pm

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Romeoblu said:

It's a decent album but I think it could have been much stronger.



The first 6 songs are really enjoyable and then it takes a turn with Walk in Sand. I like walk in Sand but it doesn't fit this album.



I think I might agree with you, although I think I Sea Of Everything was removed I would change my opinion. Those two set too close together slow the LP down too much imo. On their own they're both great songs.
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Reply #27 posted 10/04/21 6:28pm

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I love the album, a feel good afternoon listen. I think expectations were high and the org was having an emotional meltdown upon the release of the album, but it’s a fun little project. I hope people revisit it more often smile


Hahaha yeah there was a lot of hate about this album at the time haha
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Reply #28 posted 10/04/21 6:29pm

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No it was probably the first sign of the end.


The end of what? Prince released some incredible music after this record imo and his death was untimely by all means.
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Reply #29 posted 10/04/21 6:31pm

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One of his worst albums in my opinion. A man of his musical ability (not to mention age) should have been embarrassed putting out an album like 20Ten. And perhaps he was. Which would explain why he completely abandoned any plans for a "deluxe" version. For me, it ranks down there among Phase One and The Love Symbol albums as his "top 3" worst albums (not including ridiculous releases like N.E.W.S. and Kamasutra).

But as with even the worst of his work, there are one or two moments of good among all the bad. Future Soul Song and Sticky Like Glue are the obvious standouts. Add those two songs to Welcome 2 America in place of Running Game and Stand Up And B Strong and then you've got an album worthy of the artist.

But as it is, it's hard to think of 20Ten as anything other than a complete disaster.
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Whoa you rank Love Symbol as top 3 worst albums? Next to 20ten and HnR1?! I'm used to seeing 20ten and HnR1 stated as his worst but never had them packed with Live Symbol. That's an album I don't personally really love despite like 10 incredible tracks but it's from am era most fans defend, and it's so different than the other 2.
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