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Reply #30 posted 09/29/21 6:15pm

26ten

TrivialPursuit said:



lurker316 said:



"Pheromone" has has some pretty weird lyrics. It's voyeurism meets S&M:

. I want to save her (save her)
. I want to watch (watch)
. All my vital signs go up a couple of notches
. When he unties her and she runs to the open door
. He trips and grinds her (grinds her)
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. He just makes her point the pistol to his nose
. While he masturbates and now I see a tear
. Heading down towards her smile




That ain't weird. That's just kinky fun! Dark, but kinky. lol

The gun and masturbation line you noted always raised an eyebrow for me. Even the first season of Big Brother in the US had two house guests making out in the kitchen. The girl was sitting on the counter, the guy was in a towel between her legs. He held a knife to her throat, and she continued to kiss him. He took the knife away, and she pulled his hand back. It was enough that the male houseguest was warned about it but later removed from the game.

Hey, some people have kinks. Prince's just plays out in music as well. I guess it's weird to Baptists or something. haha



Hahahaha! I'd say most of the music listening public is only now getting more used to music that explicit in terms of chart success. In the 90s? Man that was mind blowing - it's basically taken like 30/40 years for the world to meet up with him in this way.

Not being weirded out by it is a Prince fan thing haha and I like it - but I recognize those sorts of things (or the goddamn slurping sounds on the title track and sneezes haha) probably tripped a TON of people out.

Gold Experience is comparatively weird too - or maybe different is a better word - via the interludes of a digital narrator and some of the songs (Dolphins, Pussy Control, the court room scene haha). They're not dangerous sounding the way Come is but still no less serious even if they're tonally different.

Used my phone sorry about any wack ass text errors and stupid autocorrect.
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Reply #31 posted 09/29/21 6:32pm

SoulAlive

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The Gold Experience. I think it has a great mixture of ballads, funk and pop. It seems much more thought out than Come.



I agree.I also think that TGE sounds much more inspired and energized than Come.Prince seems like he’s really into the material and his guitar-playing throughout is explosive!

Come has some cool moments,but it’s not nearly as powerful.
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Reply #32 posted 09/29/21 10:45pm

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Come anytime. TGE sounds dated by comparison
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."



"We had fun, didn't we?"
-Prince (1958-2016) 4ever in my life
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Reply #33 posted 09/29/21 11:29pm

Vannormal

SoulAlive said:

it's interesting to think about all the top-notch songs that didn't appear on TGE:

Interactive,Ripopgodazippa,Days Of Wild,Hide The Bone,Acknowledge Me.

There was no shortage of great tracks during that period!

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Funny is that most of these songs were instantly availble on bootlegs. L

ong before the official release.

How did that happen ?

There was also a live show bootleg with most of these songs played for the first time, in pristine quality even for the time being.

Though I do not fully agree that all these left-off songs are great.

''Days Of Wild'' is a stand out to me, the rest is mediocre or repetitive to most of the released tracks imho.

Prince kind of made a good choice i believe.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #34 posted 09/29/21 11:31pm

Vannormal

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

they didnt do a good job with singles in this period either

let it go, i do like, but its pretty workman like for prince really. just a song made as an attempt at a radio friendly single in 93/94. it was already dated when it came out. gold is just a bad, weak attempt at a big inspirational anthem. eye hate u, great as it is, its more of an album track than a single IMO.


they should have released dolphin, billy jack bitch (obv radio edited), and shhh as singles. shhh was big on black radio as far as i remember, so why that didnt get a single release, is strange.

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Wasn't the video of 'Dolphin' on heavy rotation on MTV ?

I kinda remember that...

True, single choices were mediocre. ''Gold'' was the worse.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #35 posted 09/30/21 12:36am

SoulAlive

"319" definitely should have been a single.

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Reply #36 posted 09/30/21 5:16am

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The Gold Experience is a better album imo...but as these age, TGE has definitely gone down a few notches due to the segues and somewhat dated production. Songs from Come have grown on me over the years but seems like a 1/2 album, much like Chaos & Disorder.

The thing I don't like about either of them now are the openers. P Control has NOT aged well, and Come the song has always been a too-long bloated mess lol. The slurping sounds barf

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Reply #37 posted 09/30/21 6:17am

OperatingTheta
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Poplife88 said:

The Gold Experience is a better album imo...but as these age, TGE has definitely gone down a few notches due to the segues and somewhat dated production. Songs from Come have grown on me over the years but seems like a 1/2 album, much like Chaos & Disorder.



The thing I don't like about either of them now are the openers. P Control has NOT aged well, and Come the song has always been a too-long bloated mess lol. The slurping sounds barf



The original 93 version of 'Come' is pure fire, but production-wise it wouldn't have necessarily suited the album as it's more warm and organic sounding. IMO, it is the best version though.
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Reply #38 posted 09/30/21 7:23am

LoveGalore

OperatingThetan said:

Poplife88 said:

The Gold Experience is a better album imo...but as these age, TGE has definitely gone down a few notches due to the segues and somewhat dated production. Songs from Come have grown on me over the years but seems like a 1/2 album, much like Chaos & Disorder.

The thing I don't like about either of them now are the openers. P Control has NOT aged well, and Come the song has always been a too-long bloated mess lol. The slurping sounds barf

The original 93 version of 'Come' is pure fire, but production-wise it wouldn't have necessarily suited the album as it's more warm and organic sounding. IMO, it is the best version though.

Bear in mind that the original Come configurations were way grittier, earthier, primal. That span of Come/Endorphin/Space, What's My Name, Race, etc.

The albums both spent a bit too long cooking, I think, not that I don't love them both. Would love an estate release that showed how this era unfolded. It's one of the absolute best eras of his career with a shit ton of material.

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Reply #39 posted 09/30/21 7:27am

jdcxc

MIRvmn said:

I prefer Come. The problem with TGE is that it hasn't aged well and is overproduced.

Agree. And the songwriting is better on COME imo...Come, Space and Dark are Purple CLASSICS.

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Reply #40 posted 09/30/21 11:13am

lurker316

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MIRvmn said:

I prefer Come. The problem with TGE is that it hasn't aged well and is overproduced.



I agree that TGE hasn't aged well and was overproduced... but I still like it better than Come.


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Reply #41 posted 09/30/21 1:27pm

SoulAlive

Vannormal said:

SoulAlive said:

it's interesting to think about all the top-notch songs that didn't appear on TGE:

Interactive,Ripopgodazippa,Days Of Wild,Hide The Bone,Acknowledge Me.

There was no shortage of great tracks during that period!

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Funny is that most of these songs were instantly availble on bootlegs. L

ong before the official release.

How did that happen ?

yeah,throughout 1994,I was listening to a cassette tape with most of these tunes on it smile that was such a crazy,yet fun,era.We didn't know when we would actually get TGE.The feud with Warners got really ugly at times.

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Reply #42 posted 09/30/21 2:19pm

funkbabyandthe
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lurker316 said:



MIRvmn said:


I prefer Come. The problem with TGE is that it hasn't aged well and is overproduced.



I agree that TGE hasn't aged well and was overproduced... but I still like it better than Come.





Its just of it's time
It's a 90s album

Prince always sounded of his time
He wasnt interested in sounding classic or timeless until the 00s
[Edited 9/30/21 14:19pm]
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Reply #43 posted 09/30/21 7:01pm

26ten

jdcxc said:



MIRvmn said:


I prefer Come. The problem with TGE is that it hasn't aged well and is overproduced.

Agree. And the songwriting is better on COME imo...Come, Space and Dark are Purple CLASSICS.



I absolutely agree. I think they're both great but I'd rank Come in his top 10 easily. It's every bit the same level as his peak 80s material and it has aged incredibly well. The version of Come is quirky and weird but it's one of his absolute greatest accomplishments.
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Reply #44 posted 09/30/21 11:44pm

Philly76

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TGE by far!

Come is a solid album.
TGE one of his best imo(in my personal Top 5),
sooo many great songs within a fantastic concept album and a great era overall.
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Reply #45 posted 10/01/21 7:47am

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Gold just has more masterpieces. Come just has great songs, which is something, except the awful Nine Inch Nails imitation Loose.

Race has really warmed up on me. Used to think it was merely ok. now I think it is a good jam, while we forgive his naive politics. Solo is haunting and amazing. Only Prince could get away with opera--goth opera.

Gold is almost a perfect album--3 banger masterpieces, Gold, I Hate U, Dolphin. Dolphin has his best lyrics in years. He had da holy ghost.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #46 posted 10/01/21 9:05am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Gold is almost a perfect album--3 banger masterpieces, Gold, I Hate U, Dolphin.



I wonder why u dont mention TMBGITW.
Although it is controversial, it is a world wide hit with even some #1 chart positions and the first mega hit without WB involved.
Personally, TMBGITW is in my Top 10 Prince songs of all time,
but this is pure personal taste.
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Reply #47 posted 10/01/21 9:50am

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It'a a standard ballad.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #48 posted 10/01/21 10:10am

lurker316

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

lurker316 said:

I agree that TGE hasn't aged well and was overproduced... but I still like it better than Come.

Its just of it's time It's a 90s album Prince always sounded of his time He wasnt interested in sounding classic or timeless until the 00s [Edited 9/30/21 14:19pm]



Parade was timeless and did not sound like mid-80s radio pop.


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Reply #49 posted 10/01/21 10:22am

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It sounded like french funk.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #50 posted 10/01/21 2:15pm

POOK

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COME BABY COME BABY BABY COME COME

P o o |/,
P o o |\
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Reply #51 posted 10/01/21 10:29pm

26ten

2freaky4church1 said:

It sounded like french funk.


For real haha

I am only now really learning to love this record and have never given it the time it deserved. It's so interesting, and less immediate than his other albums of the time.

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Reply #52 posted 10/02/21 12:27am

camilleisastar
What’s needed is a bundled TGE/Come Super Deluxe as both are linked and intertwined.
Just like TBA/Lovesexy needs to be done the same
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Reply #53 posted 10/02/21 1:28am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

lots of prince albums are linked.

you could go forever with linked packages as he worked on so many things at the same time.

SOTT as an album ITSELF is made up of lots of diff songs from diff projects.

but there is an obv diff in the songs on come and TGE.

come is more subdued, has a slightly diff palette.

gold is brighter, more upbeat, energised.

theres nothing on either album that sounds like it should be on the other one really.

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Reply #54 posted 10/02/21 1:35am

Philly76

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Come doesn't deserve a SDE in my opinion.

The album has a lot of mediocre songs to fulfill his contract with WB.
Back then, even some band members felt bad about the release.
Prince didnt do any promo, Uptown mag criticized the songs as the whole world wide media as well. Sure, it is personal taste, but overall, the songs are like the album cover, just grey.
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Reply #55 posted 10/02/21 2:35am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

come has the better artwork.

the gold design kind of sucks.

there was a promo version of the vinyl that looked better than the official retail version.

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Reply #56 posted 10/02/21 2:43am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

its a shame there arent versions of these songs without all the segues, waves, poetry, and npg operator links. would make it much easier to make a playlist of them!

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Reply #57 posted 10/02/21 3:52am

funkaholic1972

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

come has the better artwork.

the gold design kind of sucks.

there was a promo version of the vinyl that looked better than the official retail version.

I agree that the artwork of Come was much better than corny TGE. I liked that gloomy black and white vibe.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #58 posted 10/02/21 3:54am

udo

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nayroo2002 said:

It's a double album.

Duh!

.

Wait!

And you only tell us this news now?!

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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