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Reply #150 posted 08/06/21 12:43pm

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master said:[quote]Chappers72 said:[quote]I've just seen 17 days on Utube from the concert
I'm blown away....the groove!!!

If the rest of the Disc is like that I'm regretting not getting the blue Ray n
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Reply #151 posted 08/06/21 1:36pm

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Nice to hear a mix of tracks but there’s always gonna be something else you want to hear with a Prince concert. Personally I’d be quite happy not to see LGC or Purple Rain in a show if it meant hearing something like ICNTTPOYM or Endorphinemachine.

But it’s Prince live and always worth watching.
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Reply #152 posted 08/06/21 1:50pm

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tecstar said:

Nice to hear a mix of tracks but there’s always gonna be something else you want to hear with a Prince concert. Personally I’d be quite happy not to see LGC or Purple Rain in a show if it meant hearing something like ICNTTPOYM or Endorphinemachine.

But it’s Prince live and always worth watching.


I’d have loved ICNTTPOYM. But after a few non Prince performances, Let’s Go Crazy felt like a second opener to me.

I thought I could do without Kiss as never loved it live as always felt like he was going through the motions. However I LOVED it here. Same with his energy on Little Red Corvette.

I think as a fan/fambase we can be incredibly demanding and critical. And when I saw the setlist I wasn’t impressed. But having just finished the Blu-ray, I nearly forgot he was gone for 2hours and that was worth the price of the special edition alone. Really enjoyed this recording.
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Reply #153 posted 08/06/21 2:18pm

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JonnyUK said:

tecstar said:

Nice to hear a mix of tracks but there’s always gonna be something else you want to hear with a Prince concert. Personally I’d be quite happy not to see LGC or Purple Rain in a show if it meant hearing something like ICNTTPOYM or Endorphinemachine.

But it’s Prince live and always worth watching.


I’d have loved ICNTTPOYM. But after a few non Prince performances, Let’s Go Crazy felt like a second opener to me.

I thought I could do without Kiss as never loved it live as always felt like he was going through the motions. However I LOVED it here. Same with his energy on Little Red Corvette.

I think as a fan/fambase we can be incredibly demanding and critical. And when I saw the setlist I wasn’t impressed. But having just finished the Blu-ray, I nearly forgot he was gone for 2hours and that was worth the price of the special edition alone. Really enjoyed this recording.


I thought 1999 was a great live version as well in this show.
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Reply #154 posted 08/06/21 5:06pm

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batfunk said:


SquirrelMeat said:



It's a historical media storage format. Its made of something called plastic, often manufactured in a building made of a strange solidifying substance called concrete.



You should have mentionned that the blu-ray included in Welcome 2 America Deluxe is a Blu-ray video, successor to DVD since 2009. wink Mintchip,was your question serious ?

Errr...yes and no?

I mean, of course I know what a Blu-Ray is, but it was more a comment on the Estate's failure to sell the concert in a univeral / massively accesible format, as opposed to a far more specialized and rare format. Even if I love the clip, and I do, I would have to buy a Blu-Ray player, install it, then buy an over-priced Deluxe Edition of a bad album, to enjoy the rest of the show.



Or I could wait for an audio rip, and download that for free.

I'm just whining, really. Pay no mind.



I understand your point of view but Blu-ray support is relevant for this recent digital source (2011) and Blu-ray is a mainstream support now(10 years old).You can get a new blu ray player for, what, 50 BUCKS(20 Bucks used) ? Of course, if you have an old Tv(not full HD), Blu ray is irrelevant. But you Will notice a real jump quality from DVD. Nearly all tv digital broadcating are minimum Full HD.
But yeah, in some countries, like France, DVD are still à majority... Because mostly People are not movie lovers and use dvd player for children cartoons lol

VHS owners were angry too 20 years ago wink
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Reply #155 posted 08/06/21 7:03pm

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If you look at the setlist of the blue ray and the tracklists of all the other concerts from the 21 nite stand, the released concert is the least attractive one. Don't know why they picked this one. I watched it but I skipped more than half of the songs. Too much covers and too much shelby.


I still wonder if it had to do with the fact that they played Don't Stop Til You Get Enough most nights, whether that would have posed licensing issues. Agree that most of the other Forum shows had better setlists. Cool/Let's Work (including DSTYGE) was a highlight of those shows, weird they picked the one night those songs were skipped.

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Reply #156 posted 08/07/21 4:13am

master

dustoff said:



tomds said:


If you look at the setlist of the blue ray and the tracklists of all the other concerts from the 21 nite stand, the released concert is the least attractive one. Don't know why they picked this one. I watched it but I skipped more than half of the songs. Too much covers and too much shelby.


I still wonder if it had to do with the fact that they played Don't Stop Til You Get Enough most nights, whether that would have posed licensing issues. Agree that most of the other Forum shows had better setlists. Cool/Let's Work (including DSTYGE) was a highlight of those shows, weird they picked the one night those songs were skipped.


I go by the show not setlist. It's a great show. That cool song was definitely an highlight of tour. I like the may 14th show best. But this show is impressive on Blu-ray. Maybe more so than even the sott movie Blu-ray by turbine. Both brilliant releases.
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Reply #157 posted 08/07/21 5:46am

Marco81

Apart from the openi g set, not sure why everyone loves the may 14th show, with mike phillips ruining half of it.
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Reply #158 posted 08/07/21 8:27am

master

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Apart from the openi g set, not sure why everyone loves the may 14th show, with mike phillips ruining half of it.

This is like saying Eric Leeds ruins Parade tour etc. Mike Philips is great. No one digs on parade tour . So I don't understand digs at W2A. Prince barely plays guitar on parade tour. It still good. Same with this show.
I think alot on here are nitpicking. W2A, gold xenonphobia2002 definitely rank along side best shows including 80s
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Reply #159 posted 08/08/21 6:49am

antonb

I just watched it again this morning, my 3rd time, and i think its a great show. Ofcourse could do with even more of Prince himself but love some of the jamming on the songs, even the covers. Just to have this show in this quality and this clear is a joy on its own. Prince wasnt just phoneing it in on these shows. Loving it but there is a sadness cloaked over these releases also for me.

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Reply #160 posted 08/08/21 1:47pm

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antonb said:

I just watched it again this morning, my 3rd time, and i think its a great show. Ofcourse could do with even more of Prince himself but love some of the jamming on the songs, even the covers. Just to have this show in this quality and this clear is a joy on its own. Prince wasnt just phoneing it in on these shows. Loving it but there is a sadness cloaked over these releases also for me.

I feel ya--haven't bought any new releases but I have a huge Prince collection already (Cds and DVDs) and I can only bring myself to listen once in a blue moon... Still too raw...

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #161 posted 08/08/21 2:11pm

antonb

Yes watching him perform and look so healthy. Its hard to believe what was to come a few years later.

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Reply #162 posted 08/08/21 3:19pm

PURPLEIZED3121

Must admit when I saw the set list I wasn't exactly jumping.

Then I played it..& again..& again ....it's frickin brilliant. When you read 'play that funky music' & hollywood swingin' your reaction is meh...however on the DVD his versions are FIERCE!

The start of the show is glorius too, likewise his crowd interactions.

Just so nice to see P post-2010 on an officially released DVD.

Pure BS that it's not released seperately though.

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Reply #163 posted 08/08/21 3:38pm

pdiddy2011

FINALLY. FINALLY. FINALLY. A full Prince concert (not a concert film) on Bluray and it looked and sounded incredible.

Been waiting for this quality on disk for years.

I would buy as many Prince concerts on Blu-ray as the estate will release.

And to boot, the concert was really, really good, plus the encore section playing old-school covers (that was less concert-looking, more sound-check-looking) was beyond AWESOME.

Brought back some really great Prince concert feelings!! (I still pity the many people that missed so much great live music who left the venue after just the 1st or 2nd encore - and read about it or heard about it the next day eek !!)


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Reply #164 posted 08/08/21 3:54pm

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antonb said:

Yes watching him perform and look so healthy. Its hard to believe what was to come a few years later.

I still treasure the last time I saw Prince in 2014 at a small club (for the first time!). It was so exciting. I had just been to see Prince at a bigger venue a week or so before in another city and then he suddenly announced a local concert (on twitter, if I recall) and I happened to be on-line at the time; sold out in minutes! He did two back-to-back shows that night and I got tickets to both for my son and I. What a thrill! And at the end of the second show, most people left but some of us knew better... We waited. Prince didn't perform again but he had 3rd Eye girls debut some new recorded songs, including "Breakdown." I remember Prince peeking from behind the curtain to see what people's reactions were. He really cared about how his fans responded to the music. No doubt in my mind. I'm glad I have those two performances as my last live memories of him--he was on his game that night for two back-to-back shows benefiting a local charity. Full guitar, keyboards, and dancing! I finally got to hear "Something in the Water" for the first time live! Treasured memories. The Fillmore poster from that night has a place of honor on my wall. And, apparently, it was the only concerts not bootlegged that year... razz lol

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Reply #165 posted 08/08/21 5:12pm

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I've never been too into the live stuff, but if they release more professionally filmed concerts videos like this I will definitely buy them.


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Reply #166 posted 08/08/21 5:49pm

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80spfantwp said:


I purchased Sign superdeluxe from Amazon - 9 discs £115 versus the price of this deluxe. I couldnt justify the price hike, way overpriced.

Same here, didn't hesitate to pre-order the SDE of SOTT. Just not going to waste money on anything with vinyl in it.


The vinyl sounds about 100 times better than the CD, but do as you wish.
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Reply #167 posted 08/09/21 12:13am

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kingotnw said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Same here, didn't hesitate to pre-order the SDE of SOTT. Just not going to waste money on anything with vinyl in it.

The vinyl sounds about 100 times better than the CD, but do as you wish.

The vinyl uses the same master as the CD. The only difference between the two would be due to equipment.

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Reply #168 posted 08/09/21 12:55am

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bluegangsta said:

kingotnw said:

TheEnglishGent said: The vinyl sounds about 100 times better than the CD, but do as you wish.

The vinyl uses the same master as the CD. The only difference between the two would be due to equipment.

there was some other goober on here the other day saying that it was physically impossible for that to happen, smh

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Reply #169 posted 08/09/21 8:07am

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purplethunder3121 said:



antonb said:


Yes watching him perform and look so healthy. Its hard to believe what was to come a few years later.



I still treasure the last time I saw Prince in 2014 at a small club (for the first time!). It was so exciting. I had just been to see Prince at a bigger venue a week or so before in another city and then he suddenly announced a local concert (on twitter, if I recall) and I happened to be on-line at the time; sold out in minutes! He did two back-to-back shows that night and I got tickets to both for my son and I. What a thrill! And at the end of the second show, most people left but some of us knew better... We waited. Prince didn't perform again but he had 3rd Eye girls debut some new recorded songs, including "Breakdown." I remember Prince peeking from behind the curtain to see what people's reactions were. He really cared about how his fans responded to the music. No doubt in my mind. I'm glad I have those two performances as my last live memories of him--he was on his game that night for two back-to-back shows benefiting a local charity. Full guitar, keyboards, and dancing! I finally got to hear "Something in the Water" for the first time live! Treasured memories. The Fillmore poster from that night has a place of honor on my wall. And, apparently, it was the only concerts not bootlegged that year... razz lol


Yes what a great nite that was. I caught the 2nd show & he was on fire that night.
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Reply #170 posted 08/09/21 12:00pm

antonb

I dont want to go into the last months of his life, but just barely a couple of years before he looked in great health and energy. I saw the early manchester show at the academy. And like you said, was in great form and performed for about 2 and half hours. Shocking to think how quickly he went down hill. Saying that though, right up to his death he was getting rave reviews for the Piano and mic shows. Just so upsetting what happened

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Reply #171 posted 08/13/21 11:58am

AsTheQuoFlies

Thanks to the advice and images shared last week of the Japanese Edition, I ordered it and it arrived today! Beautiful digi pack with obi strip and the CD/BluRay

The BluRay is region free, had a few tracks on already this afternoon and it looks and sounds great. Full price, including postage/customs was 57 Euro from Amazon jp. Great deal for those of us who do not have a need for the vinyl deluxe set to own the BluRay.

Two weeks in I rate the album highly. The flow is sublime, the groove on material like 'Same Page', 'Rin Tin Tin', 'One Day..' quite irresistible.
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Reply #172 posted 08/16/21 8:41pm

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According to Matthieu Bitton, the estate chosed that one particular concert, because it didn't have the sampler set (i.e. TMBGITW lawsuit).

In fact, this prevents them from releasing anything else from that period, that was professionally filmed.

Else, we would have had another longer live, or two different shows.
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Reply #173 posted 08/17/21 1:59am

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RODSERLING said:

According to Matthieu Bitton, the estate chosed that one particular concert, because it didn't have the sampler set (i.e. TMBGITW lawsuit).

In fact, this prevents them from releasing anything else from that period, that was professionally filmed.

Else, we would have had another longer live, or two different shows.
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There are several other American W2A gigs that don't include the sampler set, notably Madison Square Garden.

Prince did not always play 'TMBGITW' as part of the sampler set during the W2A tour either, so that still leaves ample choices for other W2A concerts to be chosen.
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Reply #174 posted 08/17/21 2:47am

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RODSERLING said:

According to Matthieu Bitton, the estate chosed that one particular concert, because it didn't have the sampler set (i.e. TMBGITW lawsuit). In fact, this prevents them from releasing anything else from that period, that was professionally filmed. Else, we would have had another longer live, or two different shows. [Edited 8/16/21 20:51pm]

Where would have he said that? Post your source.

They probably wanted a show at the Forum, plus Sheila not being there.

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Reply #175 posted 08/17/21 4:40am

RODSERLING

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RODSERLING said:

According to Matthieu Bitton, the estate chosed that one particular concert, because it didn't have the sampler set (i.e. TMBGITW lawsuit).

In fact, this prevents them from releasing anything else from that period, that was professionally filmed.

Else, we would have had another longer live, or two different shows.
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There are several other American W2A gigs that don't include the sampler set, notably Madison Square Garden.

Prince did not always play 'TMBGITW' as part of the sampler set during the W2A tour either, so that still leaves ample choices for other W2A concerts to be chosen.


Read the sentences in their entirety please.
Was your show professionally filmed?
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Reply #176 posted 08/17/21 4:45am

RODSERLING

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RODSERLING said:


According to Matthieu Bitton, the estate chosed that one particular concert, because it didn't have the sampler set (i.e. TMBGITW lawsuit). In fact, this prevents them from releasing anything else from that period, that was professionally filmed. Else, we would have had another longer live, or two different shows. [Edited 8/16/21 20:51pm]

Where would have he said that? Post your source.


They probably wanted a show at the Forum, plus Sheila not being there.

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The excellent Schkopi podcast, which is the best thing about Prince ever made.
If you re a fan and not aware about it, you are really missing something big!

Google podcast : Prince Violet

The one about W2A :
"Welcome 2 America : le monde selon Prince"

Bitton talks at about 1:10 to 1:30 ( where did they get the CD-Rs, how they chose the tracklist, the cover artwork, why this specific show, why this memorabilia, etc.)
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Reply #177 posted 08/17/21 5:56am

Marco81

I'm assuming that's all in French...?

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Reply #178 posted 08/17/21 6:52am

RODSERLING

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I'm assuming that's all in French...?



From what I heard ( I m only half through it) yes.
There s alao Morris Hayes further in the podcast, I guess he s speaking in English.

But these podcast contains universal musical moments with the great Nicolas Gabet in the last hour of the episodes, that interpoles amd highlights musical excerpts from Prince albums, amd make you hear what is hidden in the mix ( sometimes he redoes the multitracks).
This is fucking great, a bit like what Brad Sundberg does with MJ conferemces.

So why would Sony/the estate/Howe would tell Bitton that TMBGITW prevented them from releasing anything else if it were not true, this is so far-fetched but true

Why almost 30 years to settle that lawsuit shit, that's beyond me.
But that is still preventing them to release that one particular song, in streaming, the video, the reedition of Gold Experience, a post WB true greatest hits, etc. And even a few seconds in a concert, that is becoming really ridiculous.


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Reply #179 posted 08/17/21 12:04pm

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Matthieu Bitton also said Cause and Effect ( never heard it) was on one of 3 tracklist Prince did for W2A.
But Kirk Johnson vetoed it because according to him, it was scheduled for 20Ten...
But of course, it wasn't on 20Ten, so what was the point of not releasing it, I don't know.
Maybe they are preparing a 20Ten SDE biggrin
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