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Reply #30 posted 07/03/21 3:02pm

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jaawwnn said:

She's down on record saying its the only song she worked on she didn't like, if you dislike any Prince song at all you're in the same boat as her.


It's an extraordinary song though, in that as well as sounding great, it has that same quality as Joy in Repetition and Cocoa Boys, in sounding totally unique compared to his other songs.
Furthermore, if the truth is anywhere close to that being his worst song - in her opinion, then G.O.A.T. would be confirmed. Then again, she was probably around when 'Feline' was recorded so maybe she forgot that one. boxed

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Reply #31 posted 07/03/21 5:34pm

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If anyone could have an opinion on Prince music 1984-1986 it would be Susan Rodgers but as his primary engineer perhaps it was inappropriate for her to laugh and comment on the track to Prince during the actual session.

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Reply #32 posted 07/03/21 5:53pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:



jaawwnn said:


She's down on record saying its the only song she worked on she didn't like, if you dislike any Prince song at all you're in the same boat as her.


It's an extraordinary song though, in that as well as sounding great, it has that same quality as Joy in Repetition and Cocoa Boys, in sounding totally unique compared to his other songs.
Furthermore, if the truth is anywhere close to that being his worst song - in her opinion, then G.O.A.T. would be confirmed. Then again, she was probably around when 'Feline' was recorded so maybe she forgot that one. boxed


"Feline" is a good track.
Worst track has to be "purple and gold"
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Reply #33 posted 07/04/21 8:42am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

OperatingThetan said:

It's an utterly brilliant song and uniquely Prince. While all art is necessarily subjective, I do indeed consider Susan utterly wrong. What a howler of a comment. Shame Prince didn't re-release it in 94/95 as it appears he was planning given the CD single artwork created. The lyrics were also in his Neo Manifesto book published during the same period, so it was obviously on his mind at the time along with 'Empty Room', which I heard and saw the video for on The Live Experience tour at Wembley Arena in 1995.


Not so. Art is only subjective if either people approach it with subjective emotional bias ('I'm probably not going to like this song as I don't like the artist'). Or the music processing in the brain is flawed. This applies to vast majority of people because most people only listen to a few genres at best. But in turn, their limited taste incurs a snobby bias once again. So it's both, subjective bias and dodgy processing.

Now, to the idea people like different songs across multiple genres, yes ok. But really, two abstract things determine the quality of music. How much does it cohere, the anti-chaos quotient if you will? And second, how much element of surprise is there, the anti-boredom quotient?

I really like that assessment, F'n'S biggrin

"I hear what you don't hear, and if you don't hear it, then you're not listening"

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Reply #34 posted 07/04/21 8:56am

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Great song. The harp actually works, the production is lush, the vocals are fantastic, the guitar is great AND it's one of the only p songs i'm aware of in 3/4 time.
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Reply #35 posted 07/04/21 9:18am

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It's a walz!

Not 3/4 timing.

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Reply #36 posted 07/04/21 10:22am

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nayroo2002 said:

It's a walz!


Not 3/4 timing.


Yeah that's what I meant
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Reply #37 posted 07/04/21 11:29am

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lol

it's a fun place!

sometimes

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Reply #38 posted 07/07/21 12:20pm

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I love it. Definitely one of my favorite Prince songs.


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Reply #39 posted 07/08/21 7:56pm

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nayroo2002 said:

It's a walz!


Not 3/4 timing.



Waltz time and 3/4 time are the same thing.
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Reply #40 posted 07/09/21 9:53am

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Genesia said:

nayroo2002 said:

It's a walz!

Not 3/4 timing.

Waltz time and 3/4 time are the same thing.

You are correct, as always, my dear. biggrin

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Reply #41 posted 07/09/21 12:33pm

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I want more "Adonis & Bathsheba" Prince. Prince being Prince, unapologetically. Same goes for Cosmic Day. He was onto something new and exciting in that era.

I'd much rather have those types of songs than anything from 3EG or even HNR1.

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Reply #42 posted 07/09/21 12:53pm

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It's a clever waltz, but not 3/4.

"A Place In Heaven" is 3/4.

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we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #43 posted 07/09/21 2:12pm

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It's such a great track. As much as she's clearly a genius engineer (and seems like a cool person), I find her opinons of P's songs a little off.

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Reply #44 posted 07/09/21 5:34pm

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MendesCity said:

It's such a great track. As much as she's clearly a genius engineer (and seems like a cool person), I find her opinons of P's songs a little off.


The story apparently goes, P employed her first as a technician. Then she sorta trained on the job to become an engineer.

Her fave unreleased P song is Moonbeam Levels (only released posthumously). A song I quite like, but can't help feel slightly disappointed by the chorus - it has a boybandish quality to my ears. Adonis & Bathsheba is the better song. I say this as someone who enjoys The Orb's Cydonia?!! The best music has subtlety and details that most people miss.

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #45 posted 07/10/21 12:33am

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nayroo2002 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


Not so. Art is only subjective if either people approach it with subjective emotional bias ('I'm probably not going to like this song as I don't like the artist'). Or the music processing in the brain is flawed. This applies to vast majority of people because most people only listen to a few genres at best. But in turn, their limited taste incurs a snobby bias once again. So it's both, subjective bias and dodgy processing.

Now, to the idea people like different songs across multiple genres, yes ok. But really, two abstract things determine the quality of music. How much does it cohere, the anti-chaos quotient if you will? And second, how much element of surprise is there, the anti-boredom quotient?

I really like that assessment, F'n'S biggrin

"I hear what you don't hear, and if you don't hear it, then you're not listening"

lol

:doge:

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #46 posted 07/10/21 1:32pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

nayroo2002 said:

I really like that assessment, F'n'S biggrin

"I hear what you don't hear, and if you don't hear it, then you're not listening"

lol

:doge:

i hate dogs, but still like what you said! lol

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Reply #47 posted 07/10/21 2:53pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

OperatingThetan said:

It's an utterly brilliant song and uniquely Prince. While all art is necessarily subjective, I do indeed consider Susan utterly wrong. What a howler of a comment. Shame Prince didn't re-release it in 94/95 as it appears he was planning given the CD single artwork created. The lyrics were also in his Neo Manifesto book published during the same period, so it was obviously on his mind at the time along with 'Empty Room', which I heard and saw the video for on The Live Experience tour at Wembley Arena in 1995.


Not so. Art is only subjective if either people approach it with subjective emotional bias ('I'm probably not going to like this song as I don't like the artist'). Or the music processing in the brain is flawed. This applies to vast majority of people because most people only listen to a few genres at best. But in turn, their limited taste incurs a snobby bias once again. So it's both, subjective bias and dodgy processing.

Now, to the idea people like different songs across multiple genres, yes ok. But really, two abstract things determine the quality of music. How much does it cohere, the anti-chaos quotient if you will? And second, how much element of surprise is there, the anti-boredom quotient?

Whose definition of coherence and chaos?

https://www.youtube.com/w...wgA9L5TN5M

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Reply #48 posted 07/10/21 7:32pm

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fen said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


Not so. Art is only subjective if either people approach it with subjective emotional bias ('I'm probably not going to like this song as I don't like the artist'). Or the music processing in the brain is flawed. This applies to vast majority of people because most people only listen to a few genres at best. But in turn, their limited taste incurs a snobby bias once again. So it's both, subjective bias and dodgy processing.

Now, to the idea people like different songs across multiple genres, yes ok. But really, two abstract things determine the quality of music. How much does it cohere, the anti-chaos quotient if you will? And second, how much element of surprise is there, the anti-boredom quotient?

Whose definition of coherence and chaos?

https://www.youtube.com/w...wgA9L5TN5M

:duckk:

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #49 posted 07/17/21 6:16pm

TurnItUp

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This song has always been a gem in my opinion.O have always been curious because I had heard about the song before it even leaked. I reqd that upon hearing some of the song ,Susan busted out laughing at the song in front of Prince. Maybe that is why prince didn't release it? I don't hear why she would laugh because the song is great and kinda stands out in the Prince catalog [Edited 6/30/21 13:31pm]

No that was her opinion! I'm not really feeling the song either. Just because we're Prince fans don't mean we have to like or love every song he ever made. I don't.

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Reply #50 posted 07/17/21 6:17pm

TurnItUp

Musze said:

Yes. If nothing else, for the epic guitar solo.


I will fight Susan in the street over this song.

He's had much better epic guitar solos that that one. I'm team Susan.

[Edited 7/17/21 18:18pm]

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Reply #51 posted 07/18/21 10:05am

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nayroo2002 said:

It's a clever waltz, but not 3/4.

"A Place In Heaven" is 3/4.


Really, these tracks are 6/8, maybe 12/8.

I love A&B. But I have a bad habit of ignoring lyrics, so if that's where the 'bad' or the 'funny' is, I'd be the last to know.

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