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Reply #150 posted 07/15/21 8:57am

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Poplife88 said:

So did I read it right that the song I thought was 9 to 5 People is actually Call The Wild and was produced in 85 and inspired by Led Zeppelin? If so, boy did I have that one wrong...I thought it was done around the Lovesexy era.

I think that song is just scorching hot...one of the best unreleased tracks. guitar

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Yep, some people noticed this in 2016/2017:

https://prince.org/msg/7/432515 (reply #5)

https://prince.org/msg/7/438108 (whole thread)

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Reply #151 posted 07/15/21 11:46am

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olb99 said:

Poplife88 said:

So did I read it right that the song I thought was 9 to 5 People is actually Call The Wild and was produced in 85 and inspired by Led Zeppelin? If so, boy did I have that one wrong...I thought it was done around the Lovesexy era.

I think that song is just scorching hot...one of the best unreleased tracks. guitar

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Yep, some people noticed this in 2016/2017:

https://prince.org/msg/7/432515 (reply #5)

https://prince.org/msg/7/438108 (whole thread)

Missed these...thanks!

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Reply #152 posted 07/16/21 4:05pm

ForceofNature

I honestly think Duane's books are some of the best things to have happened in the Prince world, since Prince passed

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Reply #153 posted 07/16/21 5:16pm

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jdcxc said:

billymeade said:

I found it fascinating how much he seemed to struggle with the extended mix of Kiss.

Love the 12" but it is a completely different song than the single.
He also never seemed to get the arrangement right in concert either. The song is so uniquely structured (perfect pop song imo) that it doesnt always translate out of the studio.


This may be blasphemous, but I prefer the 12-inch to the single. I prefer the guitar driving the song, rather than the techno beat.

I thought it sounded best in concert when he stripped down the arrangement and let the guitar drive the song there too.

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Reply #154 posted 07/16/21 10:29pm

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2.) I hadn't realized until I read this book that Eric Leeds is generally not a fan of Prince's music. There are many quotes hinting at that, and at one point he's quoted as saying: "I'm not even listening to the song half the time because Prince doesn't pay me to like his music, he's paying me to play it."

Eric comes from a hardcore jazz background, and based on his interviews I think that he can seperate his personal tastes from knowing when a piece of music is good. And that is a true professional right there

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Reply #155 posted 07/17/21 2:42am

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ForceofNature said:

I honestly think Duane's books are some of the best things to have happened in the Prince world, since Prince passed

So true.

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Reply #156 posted 07/18/21 10:46am

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LoveGalore said:

jdcxc said:

Love the 12" but it is a completely different song than the single.
He also never seemed to get the arrangement right in concert either. The song is so uniquely structured (perfect pop song imo) that it doesnt always translate out of the studio.

Probably because the parts of Kiss that make it so distinct were dreamed up by someone else. Prince had a hard time ever stepping in someone else's shoes.

Nah. It was collaborative. There are no "best parts of Kiss" without mentioning his amazing vocals, guitar licks and initial composition. And Prince never had a hard time with anything musical...plus there are many examples of him working off other musician's ideas (U Know, Hide the Bone, 7, etc.)

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Reply #157 posted 07/18/21 1:27pm

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Im done reading the book now. It took awhile because I was updating The Chronological Prince Recordings Index with the new info from the book while I read.

I was most surprised that Girl was originally Vanity 6: Boy and that Slow Love was originally recorded in 1984 and that 4 Lust was actually from 1985. It was nice to get the outtake version of Feel U Up placed in 1985 and get the correct tracklists for Parade (1 May 1985) and The Flesh. biggrin

Most of the stories behind the music had been told before in interviews with Jill Jones, Susannah Melvoin, The Revolution, Cat, etc., but it is nice to have them collected here although I've been told some of that Playboy model's stories were left out (I can never remember her name). Who knows why? confused

Anyway, it was all great fun. The new information about recording dates for all kinds of versions of songs is invaluable, although some stuff was missing, like You're My Love with Clare Fischer overdubs, Jill Jones: My Baby Knows and Superfunkycalifragisexy. Me and TheSilentMikey have been trying to fill in the blanks here: https://chronologicalprin...ution.html biggrin

[Edited 7/18/21 14:45pm]

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Reply #158 posted 07/19/21 5:24am

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scififilmnerd said:

Im done reading the book now. It took awhile because I was updating The Chronological Prince Recordings Index with the new info from the book while I read.

I was most surprised that Girl was originally Vanity 6: Boy and that Slow Love was originally recorded in 1984 and that 4 Lust was actually from 1985. It was nice to get the outtake version of Feel U Up placed in 1985 and get the correct tracklists for Parade (1 May 1985) and The Flesh. biggrin

Most of the stories behind the music had been told before in interviews with Jill Jones, Susannah Melvoin, The Revolution, Cat, etc., but it is nice to have them collected here although I've been told some of that Playboy model's stories were left out (I can never remember her name). Who knows why? confused

Anyway, it was all great fun. The new information about recording dates for all kinds of versions of songs is invaluable, although some stuff was missing, like You're My Love with Clare Fischer overdubs, Jill Jones: My Baby Knows and Superfunkycalifragisexy. Me and TheSilentMikey have been trying to fill in the blanks here: https://chronologicalprin...ution.html biggrin

[Edited 7/18/21 14:45pm]

Great work. My next task is to put the recording dates against every music file. I've only seperated by year previously. It's going to take a loooong time!

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Reply #159 posted 07/19/21 11:14am

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ForceofNature said:

lurker316 said:


2.) I hadn't realized until I read this book that Eric Leeds is generally not a fan of Prince's music. There are many quotes hinting at that, and at one point he's quoted as saying: "I'm not even listening to the song half the time because Prince doesn't pay me to like his music, he's paying me to play it."


Eric comes from a hardcore jazz background, and based on his interviews I think that he can seperate his personal tastes from knowing when a piece of music is good. And that is a true professional right there


Or you could say, he was a trained asshole. Like, when Eric was little his Dad said to him, "Son, you won't achieve anything in life unless you become absolutely sure of your own opinion". When, later in life, Eric then came across other genres of music that weren't to his immediate liking, he adopted the attitude 'Your music sucks' which is basically what he said to Prince when he was considering taking him on in his band. Well, his exact words were "I'm not a fan". Prince, in a rare moment of dropping his guard (or ego), and while briefly musing on Eric's retort, decided somebody must have pissed on Eric's cheerios that morning. And so in that moment decided "Eric, you're hired!" And the rest is history.

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #160 posted 07/28/21 11:38pm

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scififilmnerd said:

Im done reading the book now. It took awhile because I was updating The Chronological Prince Recordings Index with the new info from the book while I read.

I was most surprised that Girl was originally Vanity 6: Boy and that Slow Love was originally recorded in 1984 and that 4 Lust was actually from 1985. It was nice to get the outtake version of Feel U Up placed in 1985 and get the correct tracklists for Parade (1 May 1985) and The Flesh. biggrin

Most of the stories behind the music had been told before in interviews with Jill Jones, Susannah Melvoin, The Revolution, Cat, etc., but it is nice to have them collected here although I've been told some of that Playboy model's stories were left out (I can never remember her name). Who knows why? confused

Anyway, it was all great fun. The new information about recording dates for all kinds of versions of songs is invaluable, although some stuff was missing, like You're My Love with Clare Fischer overdubs, Jill Jones: My Baby Knows and Superfunkycalifragisexy. Me and TheSilentMikey have been trying to fill in the blanks here: https://chronologicalprin...ution.html biggrin

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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Boy has been widely available and circulating for a looooooooooong time...but only as an instrumental, and perhaps in an early incarnation.

Listen to the extended 12" version of Girl, and tell me that the synth towards the end doesn't bear an uncanny resemblence to the synth "guitar solo" in Wet Dream Cousin...and do Wet Dream Cousin and Girl not both have similar key changes at similar places, with similar musical themes/motifs, too?

hmmm

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