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Reply #30 posted 06/10/21 11:26am

ufoclub

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GiggityGoo said:

ufoclub said:

Having seen this three times projected (on film) in theaters... I can tell you an original film print is grainy, and the film lenses used had defects sometimes with blurrinesss on the sides, or chromatic aberration where you get a slight rainbow effect on edges. But then again grain is a big part of a lot of movies. I have some 4K discs, and if they were shot on film, the 4K actualy makes the film grain more clear... which is how it was in the theater.

More resolution typically makes the grain even more noticeable.

Hey, Zach Synder just shot "Army of the Dead" with flawed lenses (in 6K!) on purpose. I've noticed that imperfect lenses are all the rage lately. People think the blur and weird edges are cool and retro.

yeahthat

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I've got the Japanese Blu-Ray, and the image is phenomenally film-like. Nice levels of grain, strong blacks, balanced colors, and no real dirt or damage I can note. It's a really beautiful transfer of a three-decade old film. (I'm talking about the overall look of the recreated footage that makes up the bulk of the movie. The murky crowd shots from the original European shoot, and the baffling film-to-tape-to-film weirdness of "U Got The Look", are messy because of their source materials, not the digital transfer.)

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I've never seen the VHS or DVD versions, but there's no way in purple hell they can look anything like the BD presentation. I've watched this disc about four times since I got it, and it never fails to wow me.

I have the Japanese and the Australian blu-rays... but always suspected they are the same transfer. I'll have to put them in and see soon.

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Reply #31 posted 06/10/21 2:01pm

Phase3

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Be glad that SOTT was shot on film and thus we can have a 4K disc.


Most of his stuff is on SD video which scales badly to 4K.


Hope we can get a Purple Rain 4K transfer one day
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Reply #32 posted 06/11/21 3:34am

darkroman

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mmart2008 said:

None are an improvement on the VHS.

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Utter nonsense.

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I played all the version's lately and unless someone gets hold of the master tapes

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LOL, this is film, nothing to do with "tapes".


This is not necessarily the case.

There are many parts to production and post production processes.

Some vary as technology changes, some vary due to fashion and trents and some vary due to consumer demand.

From the 1970s it was extremely common for mastering to be done onto 1inch analogue tape and then a film print would be made from the tape master for cinema exhibition. By the time we got to the 1990s masters were created digitally and then the exhibition film print was taken from the digital master.

To shoot, edit and master on film is an extremely old fashioned production methodology - both time consuming and costly.

I don't know all the details of the SOTT production as I didn't work on that one, yet I have work on hundreds over the last 30+ years, whether that be; film, tape or digital.

These days exhibition is done remotly from a 4k digital file.

That being said, old processes are rarely left behind. Today I could shoot something on film and edit on a Steenbeck or I could shoot on Beta and edit on an Avid - just for the creative nuenes, just like a sound engineer might want to find an old sound board from the '70s to add some retro flavour.

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Reply #33 posted 06/11/21 9:52am

ufoclub

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darkroman said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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LOL, this is film, nothing to do with "tapes".


This is not necessarily the case.

There are many parts to production and post production processes.

Some vary as technology changes, some vary due to fashion and trents and some vary due to consumer demand.

From the 1970s it was extremely common for mastering to be done onto 1inch analogue tape and then a film print would be made from the tape master for cinema exhibition. By the time we got to the 1990s masters were created digitally and then the exhibition film print was taken from the digital master.

To shoot, edit and master on film is an extremely old fashioned production methodology - both time consuming and costly.

I don't know all the details of the SOTT production as I didn't work on that one, yet I have work on hundreds over the last 30+ years, whether that be; film, tape or digital.

These days exhibition is done remotly from a 4k digital file.

That being said, old processes are rarely left behind. Today I could shoot something on film and edit on a Steenbeck or I could shoot on Beta and edit on an Avid - just for the creative nuenes, just like a sound engineer might want to find an old sound board from the '70s to add some retro flavour.


'From the 1970s it was extremely common for mastering to be done onto 1inch analogue tape and then a film print would be made from the tape master for cinema exhibition."

This is simply not true. And I know. The 1" video mastering you speak fo was for TV broadcast, not cinemas.
1 inch video tape (which I used to load at my job at a TV station in 1992) was only NTSC or PAL in terms of resolution.

What you are saying is correct for music videos that were only shown on televisions.

The method you are describing WAS used for the "U Got the Look" video that was stuck into the middle of a 35mm film. And look at what that looks like.

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Reply #34 posted 06/11/21 1:44pm

mmart2008

Listen, I've a John lewis 4k 40 inch TV, a good, at the time, Panasonic VHS and a Samsung Blue ray player. I'm not a tech person at all and like I said, I love the film. I'm just saying what I saw on my equipment that's all.

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Reply #35 posted 06/11/21 2:21pm

muirdo

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wow
yen to gbp makes that around £50…is there a way to translate the page to
English?
It’s very hard to order a copy when I don’t read Japanese. 🥺
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #36 posted 06/11/21 2:41pm

mmart2008

Just to add, I'll take my wife's advice next time, and won't post anything on here. The re-release sign film, with both the Blue ray and DVD and interview discs, was done by turbine, and the original DVD was done by network. As someone posted, the whole thing about the rights of the film was a mess, as was sometimes the case with prince, how could the sign box set come out without this fantastic film included. It blew my mind when I watched a few snippets of it, on a program called behind the beat on BBC 2. Always loved it, buy the new version, and hopefully you won't have to spend time on here moaning about how there's little improvement from the original. All the best

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Reply #37 posted 06/12/21 10:21am

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muirdo said:

is there a way to translate the page to English?

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It's 2021 and Prince famz still don't know how to operate a browser. Or how to Google for instructions.

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Also, the CDJapan website is in English, and the Amazon JP website offers an English language option.

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Reply #38 posted 06/12/21 10:56am

Phase3

I'm a little slow.I translated Amazon's Japan site to English and searched for sign of the times 4k but couldn't find it

https://www.amazon.co.jp/...nb_sb_noss
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Reply #39 posted 06/12/21 2:30pm

BartVanHemelen

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Phase3 said:

I'm a little slow.I translated Amazon's Japan site to English and searched for sign of the times 4k but couldn't find it https://www.amazon.co.jp/...nb_sb_noss [Edited 6/12/21 10:58am]

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Then use one of the other sites that sell it:

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https://wardrecords.com/p...l6041.html

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https://books.rakuten.co..../16768944/

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https://www.hmv.co.jp/art...x_11945587

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https://www.cdjapan.co.jp...GQXS-90439

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Reply #40 posted 06/12/21 2:39pm

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mmart2008 said:

The re-release sign film, with both the Blue ray and DVD and interview discs, was done by turbine, and the original DVD was done by network.

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Nope, first legit DVD was done by Alliance Atlantis in Canada.

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Turbine's release was the third Blu-ray edition, after the Australian one and the Japan one. Links elsewhere in this thread.

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Reply #41 posted 06/12/21 5:09pm

Phase3

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Phase3 said:


I'm a little slow.I translated Amazon's Japan site to English and searched for sign of the times 4k but couldn't find it https://www.amazon.co.jp/...nb_sb_noss [Edited 6/12/21 10:58am]

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Then use one of the other sites that sell it:


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https://wardrecords.com/p...l6041.html


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https://books.rakuten.co..../16768944/


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https://www.hmv.co.jp/art...x_11945587


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https://www.cdjapan.co.jp...GQXS-90439


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https://www.cdjapan.co.jp...GQXS-90439

This is the only link I could get working
Over $60..I will have to think about purchasing this one but thanks for the links
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Reply #42 posted 06/12/21 5:49pm

jfenster

But why doesn't estate release this with bonus material ?
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Reply #43 posted 06/13/21 12:20am

udo

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jfenster said:

But why doesn't estate release this with bonus material ?

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Is it an Estate release?

Is there bonus material left?

Is there any budget left for this release?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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