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BartVanHemelen

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4K UHD release of the "Sign O' The Times" movie in Japan on 30 July by Ward Records

https://wardrecords.com/p...al/prince/

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They also release a Blu-ray and a DVD on the same day.

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Reply #1 posted 06/08/21 9:31am

lustmealways

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thank you bort

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Reply #2 posted 06/08/21 9:36am

Strive

It's just a shame the rights are such a mess. The U Got The Look portion of the movie will never be remastered from the original film elements.

"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #3 posted 06/08/21 10:15am

Transformed1

So the Blu ray high definition version already looks grainy as hell. Aren't we at the limits of resolution on this one? I love this concert film, so I'll probably buy it either way, but not sure we are going to see any improvement. Hope I'm wrong.

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Reply #4 posted 06/08/21 11:18am

Phase3

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I will have to get this
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Reply #5 posted 06/08/21 11:33am

Phase3

Transformed1 said:

So the Blu ray high definition version already looks grainy as hell. Aren't we at the limits of resolution on this one? I love this concert film, so I'll probably buy it either way, but not sure we are going to see any improvement. Hope I'm wrong.


The Blu-ray I have doesn't look grainy at all,apart from the u got the look part.
But I am using a 4k player and 4k tv to view it.
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Reply #6 posted 06/08/21 12:06pm

mmart2008

Take care before you buy this, I own every version of this film, VHS, DVD, the re-released version with the interviews DVD. None are an improvement on the VHS. I played all the version's lately and unless someone gets hold of the master tapes and spends some time restoring them, and improving them, if that's possible, you'll be as dissapointed as I was. The film is something that I've always loved and I could care less about the quality. The shows will always be remembered by those who were lucky enough to see them, absolutely amazing ! Tell me, who in the house know about the quake !

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Reply #7 posted 06/08/21 12:21pm

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Transformed1 said:

So the Blu ray high definition version already looks grainy as hell. Aren't we at the limits of resolution on this one? I love this concert film, so I'll probably buy it either way, but not sure we are going to see any improvement. Hope I'm wrong.

Having seen this three times projected (on film) in theaters... I can tell you an original film print is grainy, and the film lenses used had defects sometimes with blurrinesss on the sides, or chromatic aberration where you get a slight rainbow effect on edges. But then again grain is a big part of a lot of movies. I have some 4K discs, and if they were shot on film, the 4K actualy makes the film grain more clear... which is how it was in the theater.

More resolution typically makes the grain even more noticeable.

Hey, Zach Synder just shot "Army of the Dead" with flawed lenses (in 6K!) on purpose. I've noticed that imperfect lenses are all the rage lately. People think the blur and weird edges are cool and retro.

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Reply #8 posted 06/08/21 12:44pm

BartVanHemelen

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mmart2008 said:

None are an improvement on the VHS.

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Utter nonsense.

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I played all the version's lately and unless someone gets hold of the master tapes

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LOL, this is film, nothing to do with "tapes".

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Reply #9 posted 06/08/21 1:17pm

Ramzoo

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Glad 2 have this version...

https://www.amazon.com/Si...B00IJ57IGC
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Reply #10 posted 06/08/21 3:05pm

masaba

BartVanHemelen said:



mmart2008 said:


None are an improvement on the VHS.



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Utter nonsense.


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I played all the version's lately and unless someone gets hold of the master tapes



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LOL, this is film, nothing to do with "tapes".

Yeah the bluray looks way better than a VHS ever could. Played it on movie theater screen, it looked great.
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Reply #11 posted 06/08/21 3:20pm

Phase3

Is this 4k region free?
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Reply #12 posted 06/08/21 3:29pm

kingricefan

I own a copy of the Vivavision/Madman/AllianceAtlantis bluray edition (which I guess is a bootleg version?) that's region free and the picture is outstanding compared to the VHS version. Of course the 'U Got The Look' part and the scenes of the stadium crowd is grainy but the rest of the film is great! I'm glad I bought my copy when I did because the price for this one is crazy high now.

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Reply #13 posted 06/08/21 3:41pm

Phase3

The remastered widescreen Canadian DVD release is great too.
The price has gone up on that one as well
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Reply #14 posted 06/08/21 11:41pm

BartVanHemelen

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kingricefan said:

I own a copy of the Vivavision/Madman/AllianceAtlantis bluray edition (which I guess is a bootleg version?)

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Why do you lot spend zero effort on research and instead decide to spread bullshit?

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https://www.blu-ray.com/m...ray/42826/

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Reply #15 posted 06/09/21 12:09am

leecaldon

masaba said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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LOL, this is film, nothing to do with "tapes".

Yeah the bluray looks way better than a VHS ever could. Played it on movie theater screen, it looked great.

If anyone thinks the Bluray doesn't look considerably better than the VHS, there is something wrong with their television, their Bluray player or their vision.

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Reply #16 posted 06/09/21 12:27am

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:

https://wardrecords.com/p...al/prince/

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And it says 'L-PCM Stereo'.

Das muss ich haben.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #17 posted 06/09/21 12:45am

JorisE73

mmart2008 said:

Take care before you buy this, I own every version of this film, VHS, DVD, the re-released version with the interviews DVD. None are an improvement on the VHS. I played all the version's lately and unless someone gets hold of the master tapes and spends some time restoring them, and improving them, if that's possible, you'll be as dissapointed as I was. The film is something that I've always loved and I could care less about the quality. The shows will always be remembered by those who were lucky enough to see them, absolutely amazing ! Tell me, who in the house know about the quake !


Good joke.
All the VHS releases were bad 4:3 copies, the latest DVDs and Blurays are 16:9 so that alone is a big improvement over the VHS release that I doubt that you have seen those.

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Reply #18 posted 06/09/21 1:55am

BartVanHemelen

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udo said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://wardrecords.com/p...al/prince/

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And it says 'L-PCM Stereo'.

Das muss ich haben.

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Already available on previous releases:

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https://www.blu-ray.com/m...ay/257996/

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https://www.blu-ray.com/m...ay/106264/

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Reply #19 posted 06/09/21 3:47am

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:

udo said:

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And it says 'L-PCM Stereo'.

Das muss ich haben.

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Already available on previous releases:

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https://www.blu-ray.com/m...ay/257996/

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https://www.blu-ray.com/m...ay/106264/

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You for got to mention the LD. lol

The links show 2K blu-rays.

The new item is 4K.

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So you imply the PCM track is the same for all these releases?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #20 posted 06/09/21 8:25am

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mmart2008 said:

Take care before you buy this, I own every version of this film, VHS, DVD, the re-released version with the interviews DVD. None are an improvement on the VHS. I played all the version's lately and unless someone gets hold of the master tapes and spends some time restoring them, and improving them, if that's possible, you'll be as dissapointed as I was. The film is something that I've always loved and I could care less about the quality. The shows will always be remembered by those who were lucky enough to see them, absolutely amazing ! Tell me, who in the house know about the quake !

What are you watching on?

The DVD is miles above the VHS

The blu-ray is miles above the DVD.

I have all three and the laserdisc (which is also far better than the VHS)

I even have the Betamax tape of it that is marginally better than the VHS.

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Reply #21 posted 06/09/21 8:38am

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At the bottom for CAST they list Levi Saucer as "Levi Sheila Jr." (Bass) eek razz biggrin

Wally Suffford (Chorus) and Gregory Allen Brooks (Chorus) are they from Minneapolis?

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Reply #22 posted 06/09/21 11:40am

sexton

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Phase3 said:

Is this 4k region free?


ALL 4K discs are region free. There is no region coding on 4K discs. If you own a 4K player then you can play any 4K disc released anywhere in the world.

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Reply #23 posted 06/09/21 3:41pm

kingricefan

BartVanHemelen said:

kingricefan said:

I own a copy of the Vivavision/Madman/AllianceAtlantis bluray edition (which I guess is a bootleg version?)

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Why do you lot spend zero effort on research and instead decide to spread bullshit?

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https://www.blu-ray.com/m...ray/42826/

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Just to piss you off Bart!!

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Reply #24 posted 06/09/21 4:35pm

LoveGalore

Astasheiks said:

At the bottom for CAST they list Levi Saucer as "Levi Sheila Jr." (Bass) eek razz biggrin



Wally Suffford (Chorus) and Gregory Allen Brooks (Chorus) are they from Minneapolis?



Levi Saucer, eh
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Reply #25 posted 06/09/21 5:12pm

GiggityGoo

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ufoclub said:

Transformed1 said:

So the Blu ray high definition version already looks grainy as hell. Aren't we at the limits of resolution on this one? I love this concert film, so I'll probably buy it either way, but not sure we are going to see any improvement. Hope I'm wrong.

Having seen this three times projected (on film) in theaters... I can tell you an original film print is grainy, and the film lenses used had defects sometimes with blurrinesss on the sides, or chromatic aberration where you get a slight rainbow effect on edges. But then again grain is a big part of a lot of movies. I have some 4K discs, and if they were shot on film, the 4K actualy makes the film grain more clear... which is how it was in the theater.

More resolution typically makes the grain even more noticeable.

Hey, Zach Synder just shot "Army of the Dead" with flawed lenses (in 6K!) on purpose. I've noticed that imperfect lenses are all the rage lately. People think the blur and weird edges are cool and retro.

yeahthat

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I've got the Japanese Blu-Ray, and the image is phenomenally film-like. Nice levels of grain, strong blacks, balanced colors, and no real dirt or damage I can note. It's a really beautiful transfer of a three-decade old film. (I'm talking about the overall look of the recreated footage that makes up the bulk of the movie. The murky crowd shots from the original European shoot, and the baffling film-to-tape-to-film weirdness of "U Got The Look", are messy because of their source materials, not the digital transfer.)

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I've never seen the VHS or DVD versions, but there's no way in purple hell they can look anything like the BD presentation. I've watched this disc about four times since I got it, and it never fails to wow me.

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Reply #26 posted 06/09/21 5:27pm

srodaz

Strive said:

It's just a shame the rights are such a mess. The U Got The Look portion of the movie will never be remastered from the original film elements.

I often wondered why? It is my fav prince music vid period and such a shame its grainy and totally out of place (as far as quality is concerned) from the whole movie.

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Reply #27 posted 06/09/21 5:50pm

jfenster

How about they give Us the original shows instead
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Reply #28 posted 06/10/21 2:11am

leecaldon

GiggityGoo said:

ufoclub said:

Having seen this three times projected (on film) in theaters... I can tell you an original film print is grainy, and the film lenses used had defects sometimes with blurrinesss on the sides, or chromatic aberration where you get a slight rainbow effect on edges. But then again grain is a big part of a lot of movies. I have some 4K discs, and if they were shot on film, the 4K actualy makes the film grain more clear... which is how it was in the theater.

More resolution typically makes the grain even more noticeable.

Hey, Zach Synder just shot "Army of the Dead" with flawed lenses (in 6K!) on purpose. I've noticed that imperfect lenses are all the rage lately. People think the blur and weird edges are cool and retro.

yeahthat

.

I've got the Japanese Blu-Ray, and the image is phenomenally film-like. Nice levels of grain, strong blacks, balanced colors, and no real dirt or damage I can note. It's a really beautiful transfer of a three-decade old film. (I'm talking about the overall look of the recreated footage that makes up the bulk of the movie. The murky crowd shots from the original European shoot, and the baffling film-to-tape-to-film weirdness of "U Got The Look", are messy because of their source materials, not the digital transfer.)

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I've never seen the VHS or DVD versions, but there's no way in purple hell they can look anything like the BD presentation. I've watched this disc about four times since I got it, and it never fails to wow me.

Agreed.

I can assure you that the VHS and DVD versions pale in comparison.

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Reply #29 posted 06/10/21 5:18am

udo

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Be glad that SOTT was shot on film and thus we can have a 4K disc.

Most of his stuff is on SD video which scales badly to 4K.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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