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Reply #90 posted 06/09/21 10:04am

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lurker316 said:

This strikes me as Prince fans wanting more ammunition to show Prince was ahead of the curb of other pop starts: "Heck, Prince was doing rap back in '82!"

Johnny Guitar Watson ~ Telephone Bill (1980)

Millie Jackson ~ I Had To Say It (1980)

Teena Marie ~ Square Biz (1980)

Blondie ~ Rapture (1981)

Modern Romance ~ Queen Of The Rapping Scene (1981)

Wham! ~ Wham! Rap / Young Guns (1982)

Stevie Wonder ~ Do I Do (1982)

ufoclub said:

But the idea of "rapping" vocal goes way back. like 30's or 40's right?

There's a lot of blues/country/R&B songs that contain rapping or proto-rap before recorded hip hop was officially a thing in 1979. You could even say square dance cadence is rapping.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #91 posted 06/09/21 10:24am

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Imagine being the researcher trying to put together a documentary.


.....and it's taking several.

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Reply #92 posted 06/09/21 10:27am

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Headline isn't really accurate to what's in the article.

Wendy says she played Fight the Power for him, and it had an impact on him.

Prince would have heard Sugar Hill Gang and White Lines, and the funk tracks before those songs like Fatback Band, so he'd heard Hip Hop. Plus Controversy was in 1981 and that influenced hip hop if anything. But that doesn't mean he'd heard hip hop in a way that felt relevant to the music he made.

Fight the Power was an explosion for a lot of musicians. Politics were mostly out of style. We know Prince liked it and liked Chuck D (and put him on a track in 99).


Prince also knew Spike Lee already. Prince had seen She's Gotta Have It, and flew him out during Grafitti Bridge. He's mentioned in the School Daze diaries because they both used the Oompa Loomba song.

So who played it for him isn't important, it wasn't introducing him to Hip Hop and all this can be true and Wendy's story can still have happened.


This post is telling the truth.

Nowhere in the article do Wendy and Lisa say they "introduced Prince to hip hop". The writer of the article doesn't even say it.

And Wendy and Lisa never say that they introduced Prince to the song "Fight the Power" either. Wendy only says that she played it for him during a trip to Minneapolis after the band broke up (probably when Prince remixed their song "Lolly Lolly" for single release so they were indeed working together at the time) and then described his reaction. That's it.

Everything else is speculation by the original poster and not to be believed.


Thank you.
The cottage industry of twisting statements is in full force.

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Reply #93 posted 06/09/21 2:48pm

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margi said:

Hamad said:

I love Lisa & Wendy, but man they’re so relentless with the bullshit factory. They also claimed they introduced him to Joni Mitchell which really blows my mind disbelief This has always been the conversation whenever they interview them and I don’t know why they the feel need for it, “we introduced Prince to [fill in the blank]”,,,,,um, ok. [Edited 6/4/21 17:21pm]


Joni Mitchell in an interview said that Prince wrote fan mail to her regularly and unfortunately they were lost or destroyed before he was famous. She said she eventually recognised this young man in the audience regularly front and centre, due to his large eyes that never left her during the concert. This was long before he met W&L.


They have literally never claimed that they introduced him to Joni Mitchell. Lisa has said that Joni Mitchell was a musician they bonded over when they first met.

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Reply #94 posted 06/09/21 11:43pm

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JudasLChrist said:

margi said:


Joni Mitchell in an interview said that Prince wrote fan mail to her regularly and unfortunately they were lost or destroyed before he was famous. She said she eventually recognised this young man in the audience regularly front and centre, due to his large eyes that never left her during the concert. This was long before he met W&L.


They have literally never claimed that they introduced him to Joni Mitchell. Lisa has said that Joni Mitchell was a musician they bonded over when they first met.

Yeah exactly, most of the bashing I see Wendy and Lisa get on these threads a lot of times are people either misinterpreting what they say or flat out making things up that they never said/claimed.

[Edited 6/9/21 23:54pm]

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Reply #95 posted 06/10/21 8:29am

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ForceofNature said:

JudasLChrist said:


They have literally never claimed that they introduced him to Joni Mitchell. Lisa has said that Joni Mitchell was a musician they bonded over when they first met.

Yeah exactly, most of the bashing I see Wendy and Lisa get on these threads a lot of times are people either misinterpreting what they say or flat out making things up that they never said/claimed.

[Edited 6/9/21 23:54pm]


Yes, (some) people have a complete lack of generosity when it come to interpreting the things W&L say. Projections and misinterpretations all over the place.

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Reply #96 posted 06/10/21 8:40am

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HamsterHuey said:

Hamad said:
They also claimed they introduced him to Joni Mitchell which really blows my mind disbelief
They worked with Joni. Maybe they meant they've introduced her to him in person. smile I love how people call W&L out, while they were the only ones to call Prince's BS publicly while he was still alive. I think it's only natural that more stories come to light, now people are documenting Prince's life, W&L do not always have a hand in how reporters shape their stories. Or how they are perceived. And to be calling their info BS, I always give people the benefit of the doubt, as they were there, with Prince. All these couch critics calling people out were not there.

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I fully agree on this.

They knew Joni personally. Yes Prince was a super fan of Joni, but never personally met her before that.

Want to know more about Joni & Prince info ?

Check this :

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/joni-mitchell-and-prince.766692/

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #97 posted 06/10/21 8:57am

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Hamad said:

I love Lisa & Wendy, but man they’re so relentless with the bullshit factory. They also claimed they introduced him to Joni Mitchell which really blows my mind disbelief This has always been the conversation whenever they interview them and I don’t know why they the feel need for it, “we introduced Prince to [fill in the blank]”,,,,,um, ok. [Edited 6/4/21 17:21pm]

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No they're not.

They were there.

Take it for what it's worth.

We were not there.

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All of Prince's bandmates, collaborators, engineers, etc, introduced him to something, if not a lot.

It is easy to check. A lot of it is already being said.

W&L & Susannah for some time bassicaly formed a quartet/close family with Prince in the lives they lived.

That's a fact.

And while you're young (Prince in his twenties), everyone is soaking everything up that crosses your path.

Being it good or bad.

Thing with Prince is, we never know anything for sure, never.

We have the stories that are now coming to surface.

Should we take them for the real new truth imediatly?

No, not exactly right away.

But they are importnat new elements to considder, to create that mystious purple puzzle that Pirnce still is up to this day.

It's about time most fans here realise that he was also a fraud, a liar, a thief, full of doubts and thus a perfectly normal human being - with utterly special skills and abilities on so many levels, often called too many times as 'genius'.

His so called geniality shouldn't always be used to make us believe he had the truth to all things Prince.

Let the strories come to surface.

Don't judge instantly with a bunch of facts.

Wait and see.

Truths are always slow.

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #98 posted 06/10/21 8:59am

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LoveGalore said:

Lisa should stop doing interviews with Wendy. The Melvoins make everything look absurd and bullshit.

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Another exmple of how not to be so quickly opinionated for no real reason.

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Reply #99 posted 06/10/21 9:10am

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JudasLChrist said:

Hamad said:

No, they actually meant they introduced her music to him. Weird. I don’t think people “hate” W&L per se, in fact I’d argue that that there’re more people who are fans than not - I know I’m infatuated with their music - what I think people are catching up on is their constant history revisionism and how trash they come across as human beings (especially Wendy), and I think that’s what they hate. Ever-since he died, I’ve been noticing a lot of passive-aggressiveness, condescension, self-inflation and total disregard to his music before and after they came, ya know, your typical “Karen” behaviour with the micro aggression overtones. I can’t always blame reporters for how they come across because a lot of times their true feelings get documented without any reporters curating their words (video interviews etc). It’s not enough for them that they were part of greatness, they had to center themselves (i.e. center whiteness) in everything he did when they were part of his roost. You’d be hard pressed to see Sonny T or Michael Bland talk about P’s music before & after they came the same way those girls did. As for calling Prince out on his BS while he was alive - which he was no saint by any stretch of the word - I’d argue that he probably matched their energy and called them out on theirs too, they’re not saints either.


I think you are being reactionary. W&L are simply trying to talk about their musical relationship to Prince. The article doesn't state that they introduced hom to hip hop, nor do they make that claim. I don't believe they say they introduced him to Joni Mitchell's music, either. Lisa has said that Joni is one of the things they bonded over when they met.

Minnesota was a sheltered place compared to much of the country at the time. Wendy and L were the children of very reknown studio musicians, and Eric went to music school and was the younger brother to James Brown's manager, and he had a music career before Prince. I'm sure there's much they showed young Prince that he hadn't necessarily been familiar with before.

This article merely states that they played Public Enemy for him the first time. That's believable and shouldn't send people into a tizzy.

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100 % this.

I fully agree.

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And to Hamad; sure W&L and all the rest aren't saints either. Obviously.

Mind all possible agenda's, plus a bit of everything like repercussions, grudge, the gay thing, alienity, vengeance, disappointment, misunderstandings, recognision, sourness... it can/could all be be small reasons for telling these stories.

But besides all that there is also loads of love, appreciation and thankfulness for being there when it all happened.

Count that too.

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I wonder what really bothered Bobby Z and Matt fink about Prince for instance ?

From Brownmakr we already know more.

Just sayin'.

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[Edited 6/11/21 8:17am]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #100 posted 06/10/21 9:34am

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If you read the whole article, you can see it. Prince did a diss track on rappers on the black album and some years later he starts rapping, so...maybe its true.
At the end, we dont know right, because nobody of us were there...
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