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Reply #120 posted 06/06/21 9:26am

LoveGalore

tomds said:

The thing here is, I think, that people here judge songs based on their date of production/release. if it's written/recorded in 2000-2014 it must be less good then everything else he did in the eighties.



what if we never heard "everybody want what they don't got" and it suddenly appears on (let me say) 20ten or Welcome 2 America. would people still love the song ?



to me, that particular song is nothing groundbreaking and good to have as an outtake, but not killer material. but it's from the SOTT sessions, so hell this must be good.



see what I mean ?



Born 2 die to me has a nice ONA live jazzy feeling. I don't think anyone here dislikes that tour. it was one of his best in my humble opinion. so the sound and the vibe is good to me. only at the ending it goes down a bit, but overall a good tune. if he had played it live next to "other side of the pillow" or "extraordinary" people would love it to death.



for me, every decade has it's genious moments but also his lesser material. even from the eighties I don't like everything. but I still love Lotusflower and 3121 very much.



I mean, people loved the retro songs on 20TEN. I THINK it's safe to say that different people like different things and that's okay and Prince won't lose any sleep over it.
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Reply #121 posted 06/06/21 11:53am

Phase3

For those that say the audio quality isn't good.
I agree but maybe Prince made it sound that way on purpose? To fit the Curtis Mayfield 70's vibe.
Just a thought I had
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Reply #122 posted 06/06/21 11:10pm

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booooooooooooooooring

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Reply #123 posted 06/07/21 1:12am

TheFreakerFant
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andrewm7 said:

Vannormal said:

-

Concentrate on that bass !

I mean, it's soooo melodic, rich and (too) soft in the mix.

Wonder who the song is about...

Really a great radio tune for the summer.

And what 's that lyric...

-

Help me out folks...

-

Born 2 Die (2x)

Oooh

Born 2 Die (2x)

-

She Sells every thing

A to Z

Anything just 2 keep ... free,

from the, fromthe gustle of the streets

Ooh Oh!

She left the church a long time ago

said they couldn't ditch what they did not know

(Love Me)

That's when she lost her, verginity

-

Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)

from New York to LA

Ask her why she do that thing

She said it's always been that way

Jump & Jack U must B next

If try to cut minors (?) skin

(for the deal daddy)

Ask her what 2 do then

This is what she say

-

Born 2 Die (2x)

If U ain't lovin' right, U know 2

Born 2 Die

Better watch out, she get- she getcha

So High So High,

You know everybody's gettin'

So Hiiiiiigh,

(I gotta get my hustle on)

-

2 run 6 streets in Oakland

................ bay

Why she concerned ............

As the 1 she saved from the 1st day

What she .......... Back 2 the truth

............................................ (...go astray)

Ask her what the deal did

(what's the deal daddy)

This is what she'll say

-

Born 2 Die (2x)

If u ain't livin'right, you sure 2

Born 2 Die (She getcha), Look out,

Getcha getcha, Getcha getcha

(She getcha) So High, So High

I said nothing could happen after midnight

Getcha getcha, So high

...........

-

Yeah. Oooooh

..........

Getcha getcha, Ooooh

So, Soooo high (So high)

So, Soooo high (So)

So, Soooo high (owowow)

Hiiiiiiiigh !

Getcha getcha, So High so High

Getcha getcha, so high,

Getcha getcha, so high so high,

-

(break)

-

Born 2 Die (3x)

(+conversation)

"Hey What happened ? .....

...................

...................

She's Ill, She's Ill."

-


[Edited 6/3/21 2:49am]

This is the best I can come up with

Born 2 Die (2x)

Oooh

Born 2 Die (2x)

-

She Sells every thing

A to Z

Anything just 2 keep her free,

from the, from the hustle of the streets

Ooh Oh!

She left the church a long time ago

said they couldn't teach what they did not know

(Love Me)

That's when she lost her, virginity

-

Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)(bottle?)

from New York to LA

Ask her why she do that thing

She said it's always been that way

Jump back Jack U (or) you might be next

If try to cut mamma`s cake

(for the deal daddy)

Ask her what her deal is then

This is what she say

-

Born 2 Die (2x)

If U ain't livin' right, U know 2

Born 2 Die

Better watch out, she get- she getcha

So High So High,

You know everybody's gettin'

So Hiiiiiigh,

(I gotta get my hustle on)

-

2 run 6 streets in Oakland

then down into Frisco bay

As far as she`s concerned crime does pay

Ak her when,she`ll say "from the 1st day"

What she really needs is to get Back 2 the truth

before we go astray

Ask her what the deal is

(what's the deal daddy)

This is what she'll say

-

Born 2 Die (2x)

If u ain't livin'right, you sure 2

Born 2 Die (She getcha), Look out,

Getcha getcha, Getcha getcha

(She getcha) So High, So High

I said nothing good happens after midnight

Getcha getcha, So high

bye bye

-

Yeah. Oooooh

..........

Getcha getcha, Ooooh

So, Soooo high (So high)

So, Soooo high (So)

So, Soooo high (owowow)

Hiiiiiiiigh !

Getcha getcha, So High so High

Getcha getcha, so high,

Getcha getcha, so high so high,

-

(break)

-

Born 2 Die (3x)

(+conversation)

"Hey What happened ?

Girl, She fell from the third story window.

No!

Yes

You know,

What?

I think she`s gone,

they are putting her on the gurney right now.

Oh no!I hope sh`s alright!

Does anybody know what happened?

Girl! She fell!


She's Ill.

Kind of an interesting blend of genres here;

Curtis Mayfield song about a ghetto dealer (as narrated by a Jehova`s witness!)

Which ends up as a kind of cautionary murder ballad.

Interesting that there seems to be a kind of grudging admiration from the narrator to the subject , even though it still comes off preachy.

lol

Only P could sing something like this, Sort of the same kid of subject as in the song "Shy" from TGE only a lot more morally confused

[Edited 6/3/21 4:24am]

[Edited 6/3/21 4:24am]

[Edited 6/3/21 4:27am]

It sounds like the below. The 'Hell' line...Urgh i don't like such religious bigotry and judgementalism however the song is pretty nice musically, has a relaxing summer vibe. It sounds like whole album may be quite JW'y, with 'there's no arguing with the book' in W2A.

-

Born 2 Die (3x)

(+conversation)

"Hey What happened ?

Girl, She fell from the third story window.

No!

Yes

You know,

What?

I think she`s gone,

they are putting her on the gurney right now.

Oh no!I hope sh`s alright!

Does anybody know what happened?

Girl! She fell!

Going/Church (?) to Hell

[Edited 6/7/21 1:21am]

[Edited 6/7/21 1:23am]

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Reply #124 posted 06/07/21 4:33am

OperatingTheta
n

TheFreakerFantastic said:



andrewm7 said:




Vannormal said:


-


Concentrate on that bass !


I mean, it's soooo melodic, rich and (too) soft in the mix.


Wonder who the song is about...


Really a great radio tune for the summer.


And what 's that lyric...


-


Help me out folks...


-


Born 2 Die (2x)


Oooh


Born 2 Die (2x)


-


She Sells every thing


A to Z


Anything just 2 keep ... free,


from the, fromthe gustle of the streets


Ooh Oh!


She left the church a long time ago


said they couldn't ditch what they did not know


(Love Me)


That's when she lost her, verginity


-


Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)


from New York to LA


Ask her why she do that thing


She said it's always been that way



Jump & Jack U must B next


If try to cut minors (?) skin


(for the deal daddy)


Ask her what 2 do then


This is what she say


-


Born 2 Die (2x)


If U ain't lovin' right, U know 2


Born 2 Die


Better watch out, she get- she getcha


So High So High,


You know everybody's gettin'


So Hiiiiigh,


(I gotta get my hustle on)


-


2 run 6 streets in Oakland


..... bay


Why she concerned .....


As the 1 she saved from the 1st day


What she ..... Back 2 the truth


..... (...go astray)


Ask her what the deal did


(what's the deal daddy)


This is what she'll say


-


Born 2 Die (2x)


If u ain't livin'right, you sure 2


Born 2 Die (She getcha), Look out,


Getcha getcha, Getcha getcha


(She getcha) So High, So High


I said nothing could happen after midnight


Getcha getcha, So high


.....


-


Yeah. Oooooh


.....


Getcha getcha, Ooooh


So, Soooo high (So high)


So, Soooo high (So)


So, Soooo high (owowow)


Hiiiiigh !


Getcha getcha, So High so High


Getcha getcha, so high,


Getcha getcha, so high so high,


-


(break)


-


Born 2 Die (3x)


(+conversation)


"Hey What happened ? .....


.....


.....


She's Ill, She's Ill."


-




[Edited 6/3/21 2:49am]



This is the best I can come up with



Born 2 Die (2x)


Oooh


Born 2 Die (2x)


-


She Sells every thing


A to Z


Anything just 2 keep her free,


from the, from the hustle of the streets


Ooh Oh!


She left the church a long time ago


said they couldn't teach what they did not know


(Love Me)


That's when she lost her, virginity


-


Now She's pimpin' every ... (pato?)(bottle?)


from New York to LA


Ask her why she do that thing


She said it's always been that way



Jump back Jack U (or) you might be next


If try to cut mamma`s cake


(for the deal daddy)


Ask her what her deal is then


This is what she say


-


Born 2 Die (2x)


If U ain't livin' right, U know 2


Born 2 Die


Better watch out, she get- she getcha


So High So High,


You know everybody's gettin'


So Hiiiiigh,


(I gotta get my hustle on)


-


2 run 6 streets in Oakland


then down into Frisco bay


As far as she`s concerned crime does pay


Ak her when,she`ll say "from the 1st day"


What she really needs is to get Back 2 the truth


before we go astray


Ask her what the deal is


(what's the deal daddy)


This is what she'll say


-


Born 2 Die (2x)


If u ain't livin'right, you sure 2


Born 2 Die (She getcha), Look out,


Getcha getcha, Getcha getcha


(She getcha) So High, So High


I said nothing good happens after midnight


Getcha getcha, So high


bye bye


-


Yeah. Oooooh


.....


Getcha getcha, Ooooh


So, Soooo high (So high)


So, Soooo high (So)


So, Soooo high (owowow)


Hiiiiigh !


Getcha getcha, So High so High


Getcha getcha, so high,


Getcha getcha, so high so high,


-


(break)


-


Born 2 Die (3x)


(+conversation)


"Hey What happened ?


Girl, She fell from the third story window.


No!


Yes


You know,


What?


I think she`s gone,


they are putting her on the gurney right now.


Oh no!I hope sh`s alright!


Does anybody know what happened?


Girl! She fell!




She's Ill.




Kind of an interesting blend of genres here;


Curtis Mayfield song about a ghetto dealer (as narrated by a Jehova`s witness!)


Which ends up as a kind of cautionary murder ballad.


Interesting that there seems to be a kind of grudging admiration from the narrator to the subject , even though it still comes off preachy.


lol


Only P could sing something like this, Sort of the same kid of subject as in the song "Shy" from TGE only a lot more morally confused


[Edited 6/3/21 4:24am]


[Edited 6/3/21 4:24am]


[Edited 6/3/21 4:27am]




It sounds like the below. The 'Hell' line...Urgh i don't like such religious bigotry and judgementalism however the song is pretty nice musically, has a relaxing summer vibe. It sounds like whole album may be quite JW'y, with 'there's no arguing with the book' in W2A.




-


Born 2 Die (3x)


(+conversation)


"Hey What happened ?


Girl, She fell from the third story window.


No!


Yes


You know,


What?


I think she`s gone,


they are putting her on the gurney right now.


Oh no!I hope sh`s alright!


Does anybody know what happened?


Girl! She fell!


Going/Church (?) to Hell



[Edited 6/7/21 1:21am]

[Edited 6/7/21 1:23am]



JWs don't believe in the existence of Hell, so if the word is used, it wouldn't be in the context of punishment.
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Reply #125 posted 06/07/21 8:25am

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OperatingThetan said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

It sounds like the below. The 'Hell' line...Urgh i don't like such religious bigotry and judgementalism however the song is pretty nice musically, has a relaxing summer vibe. It sounds like whole album may be quite JW'y, with 'there's no arguing with the book' in W2A.

-

Born 2 Die (3x)

(+conversation)

"Hey What happened ?

Girl, She fell from the third story window.

No!

Yes

You know,

What?

I think she`s gone,

they are putting her on the gurney right now.

Oh no!I hope sh`s alright!

Does anybody know what happened?

Girl! She fell!

Going/Church (?) to Hell

[Edited 6/7/21 1:21am]

[Edited 6/7/21 1:23am]

JWs don't believe in the existence of Hell, so if the word is used, it wouldn't be in the context of punishment.

Yes but he's used the word 'Hell' a lot before in his songs and you don't have to believe it to use the word. if you listen carefully she definitely seems to say that. It's just not so clear if she sings 'going' or 'church' or something else before that, but the word Hell sounds clear to me.

The fact he doesn't sing it himself may imply he doesn't agree with it but then again he wrote the song and 'Hell' rhymes conveniently with 'fell'.

Anyone else also notice a slight parallel from 'So High' by Wendy and Lisa, the unreleased song they worked on with Trevor Horn, often referred to as the Friendly Fire sessions.

I also can't help thinking this song can be read as being a parallel to Prince's last days, it was rumoured he had also 'left the church', although I personally don't buy that he was a deliberate junkie but was probably just hooked on pain relief, those drugs are incredibly addictive and even if he wanted to get off he probably couldn't. It's not the same as taking drugs recreationally or for hedonistic reasons, as he is implying the girl in the song is doing.

[Edited 6/7/21 8:40am]

[Edited 6/7/21 8:42am]

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Reply #126 posted 06/07/21 8:39am

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piemel said:

booooooooooooooooring

Haha...piemel...Dutch for....lul hahah.

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Reply #127 posted 06/08/21 2:03am

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tomds said:

The thing here is, I think, that people here judge songs based on their date of production/release. if it's written/recorded in 2000-2014 it must be less good then everything else he did in the eighties.

what if we never heard "everybody want what they don't got" and it suddenly appears on (let me say) 20ten or Welcome 2 America. would people still love the song ?

to me, that particular song is nothing groundbreaking and good to have as an outtake, but not killer material. but it's from the SOTT sessions, so hell this must be good.

see what I mean ?

Born 2 die to me has a nice ONA live jazzy feeling. I don't think anyone here dislikes that tour. it was one of his best in my humble opinion. so the sound and the vibe is good to me. only at the ending it goes down a bit, but overall a good tune. if he had played it live next to "other side of the pillow" or "extraordinary" people would love it to death.

for me, every decade has it's genious moments but also his lesser material. even from the eighties I don't like everything. but I still love Lotusflower and 3121 very much.

When you were a Prince fan from the 80s, not only does the music from back then sound more to your general taste but it also links to a moment in time where you were most likely an adolescent discovering this musician that made fantastic music and pushed quite some bounderies in pop music.


It links to who Prince was at the time and what he meant to you.

Decades later, that man has changed, his music has changed but also you as a listenir have changed. My musical palette has expanded quite a bit compared to my teen years and there is a lot of fantastic music out there beyond the purple music that I tap into.


So I think the not overly enthousiastic response from people to these new (or less new) tracks comes from the years of exposure to other music and because we secretly still want to be blown of our socks by new Prince tracks like we were back in the day, forgetting he was no longer the same guy and we ourselves are no longer the same type of listener.

To me this new stuff is Ok-ish but it's not the type of music that surprises you or pushes the envelope. It's cool, I'll play it, but not to the extend that I want the Deluxe version.

The HQ-er formerly known as krokostimpy.
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Reply #128 posted 06/08/21 7:30am

PURPLEIZED3121

zobilamouche said:

tomds said:

The thing here is, I think, that people here judge songs based on their date of production/release. if it's written/recorded in 2000-2014 it must be less good then everything else he did in the eighties.

what if we never heard "everybody want what they don't got" and it suddenly appears on (let me say) 20ten or Welcome 2 America. would people still love the song ?

to me, that particular song is nothing groundbreaking and good to have as an outtake, but not killer material. but it's from the SOTT sessions, so hell this must be good.

see what I mean ?

Born 2 die to me has a nice ONA live jazzy feeling. I don't think anyone here dislikes that tour. it was one of his best in my humble opinion. so the sound and the vibe is good to me. only at the ending it goes down a bit, but overall a good tune. if he had played it live next to "other side of the pillow" or "extraordinary" people would love it to death.

for me, every decade has it's genious moments but also his lesser material. even from the eighties I don't like everything. but I still love Lotusflower and 3121 very much.

When you were a Prince fan from the 80s, not only does the music from back then sound more to your general taste but it also links to a moment in time where you were most likely an adolescent discovering this musician that made fantastic music and pushed quite some bounderies in pop music.


It links to who Prince was at the time and what he meant to you.

Decades later, that man has changed, his music has changed but also you as a listenir have changed. My musical palette has expanded quite a bit compared to my teen years and there is a lot of fantastic music out there beyond the purple music that I tap into.


So I think the not overly enthousiastic response from people to these new (or less new) tracks comes from the years of exposure to other music and because we secretly still want to be blown of our socks by new Prince tracks like we were back in the day, forgetting he was no longer the same guy and we ourselves are no longer the same type of listener.

To me this new stuff is Ok-ish but it's not the type of music that surprises you or pushes the envelope. It's cool, I'll play it, but not to the extend that I want the Deluxe version.

Think you're being very generous to the community here. In the real world the love from fans & equally the love & respect from people in every aspect of music from all age groups is insane.

On here...there's a sense of entitlement & pure arrogance from people who expect a SOTT quality release with everything.

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Reply #129 posted 06/08/21 9:15am

LoveGalore

PURPLEIZED3121 said:



zobilamouche said:




tomds said:


The thing here is, I think, that people here judge songs based on their date of production/release. if it's written/recorded in 2000-2014 it must be less good then everything else he did in the eighties.



what if we never heard "everybody want what they don't got" and it suddenly appears on (let me say) 20ten or Welcome 2 America. would people still love the song ?



to me, that particular song is nothing groundbreaking and good to have as an outtake, but not killer material. but it's from the SOTT sessions, so hell this must be good.



see what I mean ?



Born 2 die to me has a nice ONA live jazzy feeling. I don't think anyone here dislikes that tour. it was one of his best in my humble opinion. so the sound and the vibe is good to me. only at the ending it goes down a bit, but overall a good tune. if he had played it live next to "other side of the pillow" or "extraordinary" people would love it to death.



for me, every decade has it's genious moments but also his lesser material. even from the eighties I don't like everything. but I still love Lotusflower and 3121 very much.



When you were a Prince fan from the 80s, not only does the music from back then sound more to your general taste but it also links to a moment in time where you were most likely an adolescent discovering this musician that made fantastic music and pushed quite some bounderies in pop music.



It links to who Prince was at the time and what he meant to you.


Decades later, that man has changed, his music has changed but also you as a listenir have changed. My musical palette has expanded quite a bit compared to my teen years and there is a lot of fantastic music out there beyond the purple music that I tap into.



So I think the not overly enthousiastic response from people to these new (or less new) tracks comes from the years of exposure to other music and because we secretly still want to be blown of our socks by new Prince tracks like we were back in the day, forgetting he was no longer the same guy and we ourselves are no longer the same type of listener.

To me this new stuff is Ok-ish but it's not the type of music that surprises you or pushes the envelope. It's cool, I'll play it, but not to the extend that I want the Deluxe version.




Think you're being very generous to the community here. In the real world the love from fans & equally the love & respect from people in every aspect of music from all age groups is insane.


On here...there's a sense of entitlement & pure arrogance from people who expect a SOTT quality release with everything.




It is too bad (so sad) that the admiration and whatnots that "the outside world" has seems to not translate to them actually buying his records. Fascinating.
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Reply #130 posted 06/08/21 3:27pm

databank

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zobilamouche said:

tomds said:

The thing here is, I think, that people here judge songs based on their date of production/release. if it's written/recorded in 2000-2014 it must be less good then everything else he did in the eighties.

what if we never heard "everybody want what they don't got" and it suddenly appears on (let me say) 20ten or Welcome 2 America. would people still love the song ?

to me, that particular song is nothing groundbreaking and good to have as an outtake, but not killer material. but it's from the SOTT sessions, so hell this must be good.

see what I mean ?

Born 2 die to me has a nice ONA live jazzy feeling. I don't think anyone here dislikes that tour. it was one of his best in my humble opinion. so the sound and the vibe is good to me. only at the ending it goes down a bit, but overall a good tune. if he had played it live next to "other side of the pillow" or "extraordinary" people would love it to death.

for me, every decade has it's genious moments but also his lesser material. even from the eighties I don't like everything. but I still love Lotusflower and 3121 very much.

When you were a Prince fan from the 80s, not only does the music from back then sound more to your general taste but it also links to a moment in time where you were most likely an adolescent discovering this musician that made fantastic music and pushed quite some bounderies in pop music.


It links to who Prince was at the time and what he meant to you.

Decades later, that man has changed, his music has changed but also you as a listenir have changed. My musical palette has expanded quite a bit compared to my teen years and there is a lot of fantastic music out there beyond the purple music that I tap into.


So I think the not overly enthousiastic response from people to these new (or less new) tracks comes from the years of exposure to other music and because we secretly still want to be blown of our socks by new Prince tracks like we were back in the day, forgetting he was no longer the same guy and we ourselves are no longer the same type of listener.

To me this new stuff is Ok-ish but it's not the type of music that surprises you or pushes the envelope. It's cool, I'll play it, but not to the extend that I want the Deluxe version.

I totally agree with your reasoning, but then again, one can't expect people to understand their own mental processes, because doing so requires so much effort and is usually deemed useless by society (when not entirely disapproved of - I mean, I'm sorry but how come kids finish high school without a single course in psychology? Because society deems the subject useless. Sports and biology are school subjects, but not psychology? Is not psychology a part of our brain's biology? Wow!).

.

I've been listening to more and more other music over the years. I'm fine with P's music being what it is at any given time, regardless how much I enjoy it or not. No sense of entitlement: neither P not any other artist (or person, for that matter) wasn't ever supposed to make ME of all people happy, or suffer my wrath if they don't.

.

But to be fair to others, I've been suffering from mental disease ever since I was a kid (child abuse leading to heavy depression, addiction and all the desillusioned and potentially dangerous shit that goes with it), so in order to function normally and not become a psychopath, I've had to spend a lifetime keeping myself in check, monitoring my thoughts all day long and trying to figure out the difference between what's real and what's in my head, what's a reasonable expectation and what's an unreasonable one.

.

In a way, it's a blessing, because it made me extremely capable of understanding myself, realizing whether I was being sane or losing it at any given time, which most people don't have to because they can "easily" function normally. On the other hand, it's a curse because sometimes I wish I wouldn't have to do this and I could just go blindly with whatever goes on in my mind, like my cats do, without having to ask myself at every step whether I was going to hurt myself or someone else, whether I was being insane or rational, yet still be 100% socially functional.

.

So yeah.

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Reply #131 posted 06/09/21 9:56am

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Curtis Mayfield? Sounds like a Prince so me. Very good tune actually. Some of u are very very jaded. Reminds me of the Gold Exp tracks.

What us expect a masterpiece? Could u even unwrap that? lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #132 posted 06/09/21 10:09am

PURPLEIZED3121

LoveGalore said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Think you're being very generous to the community here. In the real world the love from fans & equally the love & respect from people in every aspect of music from all age groups is insane.

On here...there's a sense of entitlement & pure arrogance from people who expect a SOTT quality release with everything.

It is too bad (so sad) that the admiration and whatnots that "the outside world" has seems to not translate to them actually buying his records. Fascinating.

seriously ..THAT'S your counter? I am talking about people across the music world - record sales mean shit these days...you know what streaming is right?

That man was & is loved & respected on every level possible - no disrespect but I'd rather listen to music legends & frankly anyone in the industry speak about him that the likes of you. They KNOW what it takes to sustain any sort of a career for that length. His place as an absolute icon is cemented in history.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Curtis Mayfield? Sounds like a Prince so me. Very good tune actually. Some of u are very very jaded. Reminds me of the Gold Exp tracks.

What us expect a masterpiece? Could u even unwrap that? lol

Absolute truth & well said.

Really growing on me...its actually gorgeous.

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