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Reply #90 posted 06/07/21 6:43am

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But where did these books come from? Did they just suddenly appear?

Sent you a Orgnote. I even included the JW analogy to explain this. lol


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"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #91 posted 06/07/21 8:23am

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Mid 90s I knew (one of?) his personal assitant in Minneapolis. he told me Prince flirted with him and his boyfriend while they were bump'n and grinding on each other on the dance floor at Paisley. He came up and was like "You two look you are having fun".

When I was 19, I had a boyfriend who was 33. He told me that Prince 'stole' a boyfriend of his in the late 70s. I also heard from a number of older gay men that Prince had been a regular at gay bars before he was super famous, and everyone thought he was gay or bi.


In some ways Prince's late period, seemingly brief, homophobia didn't matter. He had already been such a beacon for queer people, and for queer kids...I actually find it difficult to explain why that was, but suffice to say, for a long stretch of the 80s Prince's gender performance and approach to sexuality was radical, and that had reverberations that broke apart certain aspects of society combined with everything else that was going on.

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Reply #92 posted 06/07/21 8:58am

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jfenster said:

OldFriends4Sale said: ....dear Mr man ....chaos and disorder

Ain't no assistance in AIDS

That's more of a play on the multiple meanings of the word than a commentary on the injustice of the disease. Same with the "happy ain't allowed" line in C&D, that's another reflection on a word having more than one meaning. Although he's certainly making a political comment with the military marching.

I agree with you that there's certainly no "anti-gay" message in his lyrics (aside, maybe, from that kind of unpleasant "you gonna get busy with your brother in here?" live aside from the remade Days Of Wild, which always makes me wince a little), but I don't think he made any overt comments about the injustices of AIDS in the lyrics cited. IMO.

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Reply #93 posted 06/07/21 9:03am

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gsmith5678 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ain't no assistance in AIDS

That's more of a play on the multiple meanings of the word than a commentary on the injustice of the disease. Same with the "happy ain't allowed" line in C&D, that's another reflection on a word having more than one meaning. Although he's certainly making a political comment with the military marching.

I agree with you that there's certainly no "anti-gay" message in his lyrics (aside, maybe, from that kind of unpleasant "you gonna get busy with your brother in here?" live aside from the remade Days Of Wild, which always makes me wince a little), but I don't think he made any overt comments about the injustices of AIDS in the lyrics cited. IMO.

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I agree

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Reply #94 posted 06/07/21 9:38am

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You can't blame Prince, for his beliefs, maybe he wasn't ready to support the community, maybe he did support it, and kept quiet, becuase I think he was moving on from the JW's and going back to supporting God (not strictly). In my opinion, we are Gods, and we are here on this Earth to make an impact, then when we finish our duties, we pass on. I don't really support religion that much, so I'm not affliated with any type. So, maybe he was starting to tolerate the community. #intolerance Prince&#39;s estate celebrates the late singer&#39;s 62nd birthday with a message  about intolerance | Daily Mail Online

"Nothing more ugly in the whole wide world than INTOLERANCE (between) Black, white, red, yellow, boy or girl. INTOLERANCE."

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Reply #95 posted 06/07/21 9:44am

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And around the time, Prince passed 2016, the LGBTQ+ movement/ Pride month/ day, etc.., it wasn't big to the point Prince realised it. The movement was just starting. And Prince passed, so he wouldn't know, what it would become. He supported J Monae, Andy Allo(before the breakup), it was his beliefs, or maybe he wasn't fully educated about it.

ffdff123 said:

You can't blame Prince, for his beliefs, maybe he wasn't ready to support the community, maybe he did support it, and kept quiet, becuase I think he was moving on from the JW's and going back to supporting God (not strictly). In my opinion, we are Gods, and we are here on this Earth to make an impact, then when we finish our duties, we pass on. I don't really support religion that much, so I'm not affliated with any type. So, maybe he was starting to tolerate the community. #intolerance Prince&#39;s estate celebrates the late singer&#39;s 62nd birthday with a message  about intolerance | Daily Mail Online

"Nothing more ugly in the whole wide world than INTOLERANCE (between) Black, white, red, yellow, boy or girl. INTOLERANCE."

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Reply #96 posted 06/07/21 9:55am

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lustmealways said:

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this thread will go well

smile biggrin lol

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Reply #97 posted 06/07/21 9:58am

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ffdff123 said:

And around the time, Prince passed 2016, the LGBTQ+ movement/ Pride month/ day, etc.., it wasn't big to the point Prince realised it. The movement was just starting. And Prince passed, so he wouldn't know, what it would become. He supported J Monae, Andy Allo(before the breakup), it was his beliefs, or maybe he wasn't fully educated about it.

ffdff123 said:

You can't blame Prince, for his beliefs, maybe he wasn't ready to support the community, maybe he did support it, and kept quiet, becuase I think he was moving on from the JW's and going back to supporting God (not strictly). In my opinion, we are Gods, and we are here on this Earth to make an impact, then when we finish our duties, we pass on. I don't really support religion that much, so I'm not affliated with any type. So, maybe he was starting to tolerate the community. #intolerance Prince&#39;s estate celebrates the late singer&#39;s 62nd birthday with a message  about intolerance | Daily Mail Online

"Nothing more ugly in the whole wide world than INTOLERANCE (between) Black, white, red, yellow, boy or girl. INTOLERANCE."



Hi. The "movement" for LGBT liberation was not "just starting" in 2016. The movement is about 130 years old at this point. Was (nearly) eliminated by the Nazis in the 30s, and got a kickstart after the Stonewall Riots in 1969. I myself was one of the first to March in a youth contingent in the pride parade in Minneapolis in 1987 when I was 15.

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Reply #98 posted 06/07/21 10:07am

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Oh well, I look stupid lol lol i thought it was new.

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Reply #99 posted 06/07/21 10:08am

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ffdff123 said:

Oh well, I look stupid lol lol i thought it was new.

How old are you?

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Reply #100 posted 06/07/21 10:10am

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ffdff123 said:

Oh well, I look stupid lol lol i thought it was new.

eek

I guess it depends on what country you are in

#ALBUMSSTILLMATTER
That's what U want, TRANSCENDENCE. When that happens, O Boy -Prince 2015
https://www.youtube.com/w...nm2Qq6QTFs
#IDEFINEME
https://www.youtube.com/w...XfF2cimj7I
Never No Time To Play...
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Reply #101 posted 06/07/21 11:06am

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OldFriends4Sale said:




jfenster said:


OldFriends4Sale said: ....dear Mr man ....chaos and disorder



Ain't no assistance in AIDS









That's more of a play on the multiple meanings of the word than a commentary on the injustice of the disease. Same with the "happy ain't allowed" line in C&D, that's another reflection on a word having more than one meaning. Although he's certainly making a political comment with the military marching.





I agree with you that there's certainly no "anti-gay" message in his lyrics (aside, maybe, from that kind of unpleasant "you gonna get busy with your brother in here?" live aside from the remade Days Of Wild, which always makes me wince a little), but I don't think he made any overt comments about the injustices of AIDS in the lyrics cited. IMO.





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I just realized, I've always misheard the lyric underneath the marching in Chaos and Disorder. I always thought the garbled voice is saying "faggot" but when I googled the lyrics it says the word is "alright"? Did anyone else mishear this lyric?
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Reply #102 posted 06/10/21 5:39am

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He also went to JW HQ with pointed questions that apparently weren't answered.

The reprimand came when he rewrote some (and recorded new) JW hymns. They may have even been adopted locally until quashed by the upper levels of management.

The CD-R of the album was played to me in its entirety when I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. For a short period, it was a novelty, until the Governing Body forbade it on copyright grounds and that it was not authorised by them as copyright holders of the Jehovah's Witness Songbook, upon which the album was based. You could detect Prince input here and there and notably on the instrumental of 'Life Without End At Last', but there were also major contributions from George Benson, Larry Graham and other JW artists and vocalists. I don't think it has any appeal outside of the faith and those who are fond of Jehovah's Witness songs, which are all unique to the religion and many of which, aren't particularly melodic or tuneful.

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Whatever ! Waw. Thank you for this inside info.

Great info by the way.

I nevertheless wouldlooooove to hear it.

How crazy it might be or sound.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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