Love that benefit show recording. The Computer Blue from that gig ROCKS SO HARD. I always thought the story went that the show was the foundation for some of the songs but a lot of the parts were re-recorded or overdubbed. So the finished product is a combination of both the live tracks and Prince doing the Prince thing. Idk, that's what I remember, but it's been so long since I've read anything new about it.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I wonder why she never did anything with her "award winning poetry?"

lawl

GaryMF said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Here's what Tudahl's book says about the Sept 13/83 studio session (1pm - 12:30am):

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"Now that he had wrapped up work on 'Baby I'm a Star', Prince refocused on the title track. For the first time since mid-August, he began adding overdubs to the song. For seven hours he corrected mistakes he heard in the live mix, including rerecording parts of his own solo, which were probably overdubbed during this session. "Prince knows what he wants," explained Peggy McCreary. "Any leader of a band does." Prince was ruthless with anything he felt could be made better, and like he'd done with 'Baby I'm a Star', and other songs from the live August benefit show, he replaced parts recorded by the band members with his own."

Is this implying that on all 3 "live" tracks he completely replaced all the Revolution tracks (i.e. none of the keys or drums or bass are from the show?) or that he just fixed the mistakes?

Do you have Tudahl's book? Because there is too much to reproduce here. Prince spent hours and hours in the studio fixing, overdubbing and rerecording. I would think that some of the band's playing is still on there, but it is not the live First Avenue performance -- does it sound like it?

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Baby I'm a Star:

"After a dinner break he added another 2 hours of synth overdubs to replace various parts of the performances of Lisa Coleman and Matt Fink. "I think that he thought he could do it best," explains Fink, "and that musically he felt like he could get what he wanted because he could do it himself. He would always know what he would like because he knew he could do it. I'd say it was the control aspect. Having complete control. That was one thing Prince always had to have. I know that."

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MoodyBlumes said:

GaryMF said:

Is this implying that on all 3 "live" tracks he completely replaced all the Revolution tracks (i.e. none of the keys or drums or bass are from the show?) or that he just fixed the mistakes?

Do you have Tudahl's book? Because there is too much to reproduce here. Prince spent hours and hours in the studio fixing, overdubbing and rerecording. I would think that some of the band's playing is still on there, but it is not the live First Avenue performance -- does it sound like it?

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Baby I'm a Star:

"After a dinner break he added another 2 hours of synth overdubs to replace various parts of the performances of Lisa Coleman and Matt Fink. "I think that he thought he could do it best," explains Fink, "and that musically he felt like he could get what he wanted because he could do it himself. He would always know what he would like because he knew he could do it. I'd say it was the control aspect. Having complete control. That was one thing Prince always had to have. I know that."

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I do but I have to find it. I moved since I bought it

That makes sense esp on Baby I'm A Star cuz the synth vamps at the end have never sounded the same live as they do on the record.

BartVanHemelen said:

Where were you guys one year ago?

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https://www.foxla.com/new...ger-prince

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errrr....trying to cope with COVID...

MoodyBlumes said:

JudasLChrist said:

The guitar solo, and the vocal are from the First Avenue show, at the very least .

Here's what Tudahl's book says about the Sept 13/83 studio session (1pm - 12:30am):

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"Now that he had wrapped up work on 'Baby I'm a Star', Prince refocused on the title track. For the first time since mid-August, he began adding overdubs to the song. For seven hours he corrected mistakes he heard in the live mix, including rerecording parts of his own solo, which were probably overdubbed during this session. "Prince knows what he wants," explained Peggy McCreary. "Any leader of a band does." Prince was ruthless with anything he felt could be made better, and like he'd done with 'Baby I'm a Star', and other songs from the live August benefit show, he replaced parts recorded by the band members with his own."

The key word is "parts". I know the solo is edited. But it's obviously from the show. There's exact matching feed back. The vocal is edited, but I definitely think it's the entire live vocal.

MoodyBlumes said:

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strongoxman1 said:

MoodyBlumes said:

According to Brenda Bennett, Manic Monday was a Vanity 6 song. When Vanity left, Prince gave the demo with her vocals to apple to overdub. I think some folks need to realize that just because we don't have a bootleg or copy of something, doesn't mean it never existed. Prince recorded all the time -- Dylan sometime wrote on toilet paper. Brenda was there. Regardless, apple never co-wrote the song -- didn't even pay for her studio time.

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Yes, I'm aware of all that; I'm specifically asking about the highlighted portion of the quote including, "(and we have the files)" that GaryMF posted.

I didn't mean to be that specific. I was still in shock at hearing Apples say she "wrote" Glamorous Life!!!

I was probably thinking about the fact that we have the Prince demos of Glam Life with his vocals (the leak and then the Originals version) and I've heard the Appollonia version of Manic Monday but when I typed this I might have been thinking it was sung by Vanity. I don't have a Prince only version of Manic Monday.

I love how she pulls out a purple notebook and says "look here's the pages that are ripped out that are where I wrote it!" and even the pages before and after the "ripped out ones" are all BLANK!!!!

Sheila needs to slap her across the face 1 time, but she's stayed above the fray since the Lemon Cake scandal.

This lying bitch can't spell Glamorous life.

mediumdry said:

It's not. because Jill told the story about writing the ITALIAN lyrics and calling an Italian restaurant for Mia Bocca. She's just copying the story and not getting it right at that.

Apples...just doesn't seem very bright. I used to think she was at least sweet, but then she went in like an asshole on Sheila during Lemon Cake-gate. Sorry Apples, but calling anyone "he-she" is just fucking rude.

Remember, Apples also is the one who apparently doesn't even know the sound of her own voice, as she had no idea until like 2017 that Lisa Coleman made Take Me With U somewhat listenable.

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I like Apollonia.

Is she lying ?

I like Sheila.

Is Sheila lying ?

I like all the protegees.

Are they all lying?

Yes, sure.

No, Not exactly certain.

Probably and possibly the biggest liars in the center of it all was lil' Princy himself.

But that's beside the question right now.

Lemme say this;

People who constantly spray and use words like 'truth', and 'the truth' (all the time) have an agenda.

If not two or more.

One doesn't need the word truth to be used to put strenght on what they are saying.

It's as simple as that.

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Apollonia seems ok. Do i believe her ?

I just believe her as much as Prince mysteries.

And that's pretty doubtfull.

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Prince and Randee St Nicholas dated???

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rlittler81 said:

Prince and Randee S.t Nicholas dated???

She totally looks like a Prince girl, and their interaction at the beginning of Insatiable doesn't look manufactured. However, since Apollonia has proven herself to be a story embellisher, to the point of straight up lying, we now have to take everything she says with a grain of salt. But I could totally see it.

I just watched this interview. I have to say, she's very credible. I think I'm most surprised at her friendship w/ Prince for so long, and their interactions. The girl brought notes! She wasn't playin'. The fact that she brought the little book Prince bought for her, and we saw the torn pages of her lyrics or poems that he used in the songs... that's a cool artifact. I wonder if those are still lurking around somewhere.

A lot of those lyrics, like, "...standing in the section marked 'if you have to ask you can't afford it' lingerie" makes more sense. There's a story behind them now. Same with her take on schmundy and "fun-day" from "Manic Monday." Those are very random bits about which to make up a story.

I never knew she dated David Lee Roth (probably because I just never kept up w/ her story over time). I feel like maybe I knew she hung out with JFK JR, but I can't be sure. She's led a very interesting life. While she's not out there winning Oscars or Golden Globes, she's been in the business a long time.

I love that she stated, "I'm outside, smoking weed with Robert Mitchum!" Mitchum was such a bad boy (and fucking sexy as hell).

When I made a post about Perceived Feuds, this is one of them. I never thought Prince & Apollonia were feuding. I just didn't think they were friends or much kept in touch after the film.

TrivialPursuit said:

You can't be serious. Anyone can get a book, tear out some pages, and be like "Look! Here are the pages that I gave to Prince where I wrote 1999!" Plus, if you look closely, the pages before and after the "torn out" ones are BLANK!!!!

Chile please.

TrivialPursuit said:

I just watched this interview. I have to say, she's very credible. I think I'm most surprised at her friendship w/ Prince for so long, and their interactions. The girl brought notes! She wasn't playin'. The fact that she brought the little book Prince bought for her, and we saw the torn pages of her lyrics or poems that he used in the songs... that's a cool artifact. I wonder if those are still lurking around somewhere.

rlittler81 said:

I agree. Regardless of whether some of her claims maybe untrue or embellished, I get the impression she had genuine love and affection for Prince during his life and really cared about him. That’s enough for me. He needed people like that more than anything else.

I had the same reaction. When I think about him in the house alone, and who he could have called (if he wasn't trying to be alone, of course) she is one of the few I can even see recognizing a serious moment and doing the right thing, just by judging how she talks about him. I usually feel the opposite, with every interview people give, and I typically think "well they loved him, but I get why he wasn't reaching out to that person". I say this knowing full well she'd had contact with him towards the end and didn't do anything either. But you can tell she at least loved him as a person.

GaryMF said:

You can't be serious. Anyone can get a book, tear out some pages, and be like "Look! Here are the pages that I gave to Prince where I wrote 1999!" Plus, if you look closely, the pages before and after the "torn out" ones are BLANK!!!!

Chile please.

They could. But that didn't happen here. She spent a lot of time w/ ol' boy. She doesn't need to make things up.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

GaryMF said:

I didn't mean to be that specific. I was still in shock at hearing Apples say she "wrote" Glamorous Life!!!

I was probably thinking about the fact that we have the Prince demos of Glam Life with his vocals (the leak and then the Originals version) and I've heard the Appollonia version of Manic Monday but when I typed this I might have been thinking it was sung by Vanity. I don't have a Prince only version of Manic Monday.

I love how she pulls out a purple notebook and says "look here's the pages that are ripped out that are where I wrote it!" and even the pages before and after the "ripped out ones" are all BLANK!!!!

Sheila needs to slap her across the face 1 time, but she's stayed above the fray since the Lemon Cake scandal.

Sheila hasn't stayed above the fray since the cake farce. Hell she posted a tribute to Prince, with a picture of an imposter that she didn't even know wasn't Prince. LMAO

Apples is as crazy as Sinead.

The entire interview was a joke. Mia Bocca in "Spanish", sayign she "wrote" Glam Life and Manic Monday. It's embarassing.

TrivialPursuit said:

i don't know, guys. i think i need to hear cat glover's opinion on this before i make up my mind. she seems reasonable and levelheaded.

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

I hope Apples starts reading her poetry on her instagram,

I posted her poetry here from the one song she wrote lyrics on on he only album she did after Prince.

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Since I Fell for You

Apollonia-Since I Fell Fo... - YouTube

Everytime I see you I lose control

Everytime you touch me you free my soul

Break down the distance, there’s no resistance

My anticipation needs your hole (?)

I’m past the point of no return

The beating of your heart is all I yearn

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Can’t fight the feeling that I have for you, since I fell for you

… other words...

Nobody knows me the way you do

I’m past the point of no return

The beating of your heart is all I yearn

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Dreaming is easy, since I fell for you

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Can’t fight the feeling that I have for you, since I fell for you

I’m past the point of no return

The beating of your heart is all I yearn

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Dreaming is easy, since I fell for you

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Can’t fight the feeling that I have for you, since I fell for you