jfenster said:

Milty2 said:

The Org needs a better understanding of mental health and what all of that means.

[Edited 5/22/21 18:13pm]

Because of all the "types" on here?

I dare not say who these "types" might be but all I know there is a definite need to understand mental illness a lot better based on some of the callous comments that just get bandied about on here. This community has been around since 1998 and so I think the Org would be a better place if it spent some time alerting it's community to better understand the issues that so many of us face instead of just allowing callous and deregotary comments to run rampant.

[Edited 5/29/21 15:39pm]

What's concerning me is no one from Princes camp is coming out to defend Prince in this. It's making me rethink my thoughts about Prince Because of the dubious things in some of his previous relationships. Mayta and Anna fantastic prime examples.

Milty2 said:

jfenster said:

Milty2 said: Because of all the "types" on here?

I dare not say who these "types" might be but all I know there is a definite need to understand mental illness a lot better based on some of the callous comments that just get bandied about on here. This community that has been around since 1998 and so I think the Org would be a better place if it spent some time alerting it's community to better understand the issues that so many of us face instead of just allowing callous and deregotary comments to run rampant.

Social media is full of emotional abusers. Why should things be any different here? Like, realistically. The average person doesn't give a flying fuck about someone's mental illness. Unless it's a way to compare notes, and I don't mean that in a good way. The upshot being, you're more likely to get bullied, targeted whatever.

fortuneandserendipity said:

3rdeyedude said:

SoulAlive said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Social media is full of emotional abusers. Why should things be any different here? Like, realistically. The average person doesn't give a flying fuck about someone's mental illness. Unless it's a way to compare notes, and I don't mean that in a good way. The upshot being, you're more likely to get bullied, targeted whatever.

Let’s stop making excuses for Sinead.She doesn’t get a pass.She’s going around slandering a man who is not here to defend himself.That’s wrong.Mental illness or not,she is saying that Prince is a violent abuser.Previously,she also lied about Arsenio Hall.The bottom line is……she’s trying to sell a book.I can’t take her claims seriously.

I'd agree with you if this were a new accusation but she has been telling this story since 1990. He had 25 years to respond. He chose to ignore it. I'm not saying that it is true, but it is by no means a revelation.

RJOrion said:

simm0061 said:

SoulAlive said:

fortuneandserendipity said: Let’s stop making excuses for Sinead.She doesn’t get a pass.She’s going around slandering a man who is not here to defend himself.That’s wrong.Mental illness or not,she is saying that Prince is a violent abuser.Previously,she also lied about Arsenio Hall.The bottom line is……she’s trying to sell a book.I can’t take her claims seriously.

I'd agree with you if this were a new accusation but she has been telling this story since 1990. He had 25 years to respond. He chose to ignore it. I'm not saying that it is true, but it is by no means a revelation.

Not True. He responded when Rolling Stone first reported this story (the story has changed)...he stated it was FALSE. She is a certified LIAR.

Why aren't the Prince estate responding, they can find a lawyer for bootlegs quick enough!

jdcxc said:

simm0061 said:

I'd agree with you if this were a new accusation but she has been telling this story since 1990. He had 25 years to respond. He chose to ignore it. I'm not saying that it is true, but it is by no means a revelation.

Not True. He responded when Rolling Stone first reported this story (the story has changed)...he stated it was FALSE. She is a certified LIAR.

Yes, I remember. His quote was "That never happened. I don't know what she's talking about." I meant he chose to ignore the dozen or so times she told the story, after that. So, my guess is that if he were alive, he'd continue to ignore it.

jfenster said:

muleFunk said:

Anyone who has had direct experience with people with bipolar syndrome knows these folks can become violent at the drop of a dime when they are not on medication.

I'm sorry, but I have to call this out. I'm an unmedicated bipolar sufferer and have never hurt a fly, literally - indeed, anyone who knows me well would probably tell you that I'm among the more rational (for the most part), gentle and empathetic of people. Anyone suffering from mental illness is a complex confluence of symptoms, environmental factors and personality traits that aren't direct manifestations of their "illness". Platitudes like this and others in this thread are simply idiocy. Respect to Milty2 for challenging it too.

As I said, the trajectory of a persons life and personality is a complex interaction of factors and the condition is not entirely negative:

https://www.theguardian.c...g-genetics

fen said:

muleFunk said:

Anyone who has had direct experience with people with bipolar syndrome knows these folks can become violent at the drop of a dime when they are not on medication.

I'm sorry, but I have to call this out. I'm an unmedicated bipolar sufferer and have never hurt a fly, literally - indeed, anyone who knows me well would probably tell you that I'm among the more rational (for the most part), gentle and empathetic of people. Anyone suffering from mental illness is a complex confluence of symptoms, environmental factors and personality traits that aren't direct manifestations of their "illness". Platitudes like this and others in this thread are simply idiocy. Respect to Milty2 for challenging it too.

Agreed. I've been around bipolar friends when they have been off their meds, I've never experienced even a hint of violence. They are much more likely to have violence directed at them.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

"a woman everyday should be thanked

not disrespected,not raped or spanked

and if a woman ever said I did

she's a motherfucking liar and I'm a set-up kid"

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Some of her story sounds a bit colourful but as she said the same thing for decades more or less, I doubt its fake The estate and all.princes peers and collaborators are getting paid or benefitting from his work so they have no interest in telling anything that isnt part of the prince myth so I dont expect anyone else to back up sinead Princes metoo reckoning winter come any time soon [Edited 5/29/21 16:57pm]

Well that is interesting considering Sinead had this to say about Mike Tyson:

Sinead O'Connor Speaks - Rolling Stone

"Poor Mike Tyson. I mean, there is an example of a man who was treated abominably as a child; all his ancestors have been abused as children. He’s only a little tiny baby, and all of these people are trying to fuckin’ kill him. And they have killed him to a certain extent. They all have a great time saying what a monster he is. Lay off, because there but for the grace of God goes every single one of us. Poor man. He has had the most miserable upbringing.

If he looks for solace in the arms of lots of women, what do you expect him to do? And that woman that is suing him is a bitch. I don’t care if he raped her; he should learn about himself and why it is he behaves like that, et cetera, et cetera. But equally she should look at herself and look at the disgrace that she is making of women. Look at what she is doing to him by trying to get money off him, going around doing chat shows. She’s used him, you know. It’s disgraceful, and she’s a disgrace to women as far as I’m concerned."

MoodyBlumes said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Some of her story sounds a bit colourful but as she said the same thing for decades more or less, I doubt its fake The estate and all.princes peers and collaborators are getting paid or benefitting from his work so they have no interest in telling anything that isnt part of the prince myth so I dont expect anyone else to back up sinead Princes metoo reckoning winter come any time soon

Well that is interesting considering Sinead had this to say about Mike Tyson:

Sinead O'Connor Speaks - Rolling Stone

"Poor Mike Tyson. I mean, there is an example of a man who was treated abominably as a child; all his ancestors have been abused as children. He’s only a little tiny baby, and all of these people are trying to fuckin’ kill him. And they have killed him to a certain extent. They all have a great time saying what a monster he is. Lay off, because there but for the grace of God goes every single one of us. Poor man. He has had the most miserable upbringing.

If he looks for solace in the arms of lots of women, what do you expect him to do? And that woman that is suing him is a bitch. I don’t care if he raped her; he should learn about himself and why it is he behaves like that, et cetera, et cetera. But equally she should look at herself and look at the disgrace that she is making of women. Look at what she is doing to him by trying to get money off him, going around doing chat shows. She’s used him, you know. It’s disgraceful, and she’s a disgrace to women as far as I’m concerned."

wow!

fen said:

As I said, the trajectory of a persons life and personality is a complex interaction of factors and the condition is not entirely negative:

https://www.theguardian.c...g-genetics

Yes. Bipolar seems to be one of the hardest conditions to define and categorize accurately. Everyone is different, as is so often the summary ascribed to any particular disorder that people suffer. I didn't think bipolar fit my problems at all until reading about the mixed features aspect, which is closer to home for me.

And if it's so able to be controlled with medication, why does the treatment vary across patients? I remember interview on Irish television where Sinead O'Connor claimed to be taking at least 3 medications for her disorder. Then over time we get alternating views as to whether she has the disorder or not. Maybe discerning one's disorder from identifying symptoms is too imprecise. And instead, turning to sophisticated brain scanning technology is the way to go.

SoulAlive said:

for a one-hit wonder,she certainly is getting a lot of media attention from this bogus story,smh

Didn't get enough media attention with this story it seems:

.

Sinead O’Connor: ‘My ...yahoo.com)

"Sinead slams her children, 28-year-old Jake, 19-year-old Roisin, 11-year-old Shane, eight-year-old Yeshua, and their fathers - claiming that they have not been supportive of her.

"Writing to almost 598,000 Facebook followers, Sinead rants: “Jake, Roisin, Jr., frank, Donal, Eimear, I never wanna see you again. You stole my sons from me.

“Then you had hypocrisy to come to hospital and then not be here when I wake and not pick up phone? I’m sh*t to you. You’re dead to me. You killed your mother.

.

“So yeah.. Strangers like me.. But my family don’t value me at all. They wouldn’t know if I was dead until weeks from now if I wasn’t f*cking informing them now. well done guys, you’ve finally got rid of me."

jfenster said:

The estate is also using this as publicity

how so?

fen said:

muleFunk said:

Anyone who has had direct experience with people with bipolar syndrome knows these folks can become violent at the drop of a dime when they are not on medication.

I'm sorry, but I have to call this out. I'm an unmedicated bipolar sufferer and have never hurt a fly, literally - indeed, anyone who knows me well would probably tell you that I'm among the more rational (for the most part), gentle and empathetic of people. Anyone suffering from mental illness is a complex confluence of symptoms, environmental factors and personality traits that aren't direct manifestations of their "illness". Platitudes like this and others in this thread are simply idiocy. Respect to Milty2 for challenging it too.

Respect to you and others who have successfully mastered your illness.

muleFunk said:

fen said:

I'm sorry, but I have to call this out. I'm an unmedicated bipolar sufferer and have never hurt a fly, literally - indeed, anyone who knows me well would probably tell you that I'm among the more rational (for the most part), gentle and empathetic of people. Anyone suffering from mental illness is a complex confluence of symptoms, environmental factors and personality traits that aren't direct manifestations of their "illness". Platitudes like this and others in this thread are simply idiocy. Respect to Milty2 for challenging it too.

Respect to you and others who have successfully mastered your illness.

I wouldn't go that far. No great offence taken, I just thought that it was too broad a statement to go unchallenged. I'm not saying that it's never the case, but in my experience and for others I've known it tends to be more of a self-destructive condition. Best wishes in any case. x

Worried she may be right. But Prince couldn't kick his own ass.

fen said:

muleFunk said:

Respect to you and others who have successfully mastered your illness.

I wouldn't go that far. No great offence taken, I just thought that it was too broad a statement to go unchallenged. I'm not saying that it's never the case, but in my experience and for others I've known it tends to be more of a self-destructive condition. Best wishes in any case. x

And there are different degrees, Bipolar 2 doesn't have full blown manic episodes. As for being nice on a social media platform -- that rule can apply to everyone, including Prince. If Sinead is going to publish books and do the media rounds, people are going to respond -- she isn't new to this game and there aren't special rules just for her.