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Reply #120 posted 05/09/21 4:04pm

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thebanishedone said:

Graycap23 said:

Might?

They were.

No way 3rd eye or Emancipation era is more talented

As I said above, not counting 3EG

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Reply #121 posted 05/09/21 8:12pm

tab32792

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tab32792 said:




thebanishedone said:



in which way The Revolution is any worse than 3rd Eye or 1996-1999 NPG


As i can hear Bobby Z is a much better drummer than Hannah. i never seen Bobby miss the pocket ever.


Ok Ida is better on bass than Brown Mark,but she is better than all of Prince bass players except Sonny.


Dr Fink was the best and most underrated keyboard player in Prince band along with Barbarella.


Wendy was crap as a lead player but very good as a rhythm guitarist.


so how can anybody say The Revolution wa his weakest band.


They could go from punk new wave to soul and funk within a song so how is that his worst band?





Definitely not his weakest but far from his best. They're just his most popular for many reasons; primarily because they were in the movie. Bobby can't fuck with Sheila E, Michael B or John Blackwell on his best day. He's the weakest link in the band. Miko Weaver is getting Wendy all the way out of here easily. Just listen to that Yokohama gig in 86. Miko's guitar is way up and playing most of the stuff and wendy is just embellishing. Ida would even destroy Brownmark and Sonny T is the originator so Mark don't want no smoke with him. The only people who's chops couldn't really be easily replaced are Lisa and Dr. Fink. Even then it comes down to can they improv. Prince himself said the Revolution wasn't good at that. So honestly, it really just comes down to preference unless you start naming examples.



Nostalgia aside, The SOTT/Lovesexy band and the first NPG along with the ONA NPG are his best bands. Period. Feel and chops.




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Had the circumstances been better, The Revolution could have lasted at least 2 more Prince albums after the Parade-era. The catches?:


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#1. Prince would have laid-off Bobby Z no matter what to make room for Shelia E. on drums.


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#2. A full time horn section featuring Eric Leeds, Atlanta Bliss, and/or Eddle M. would have been added to the band line-up.


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#3. Although Wendy Melvoin was/is stronger for the rock & folk sound, Miko Weaver was stronger for the rhythm & blues [r&b] sound, hence why Prince needed him either way.


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All 3 points validate that need for the "Prince & The Counter-Revolution" idea for live show. Also, the Dream Factory would have the next album release instead of SOTT. Just imagine what could have been in 1986-88! nod hmmm





No thanks lol 2 years of pop/rock/ethereal music was more than enough
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Reply #122 posted 05/09/21 8:14pm

tab32792

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The Revolution was definitely a good band...All Prince's bands were good, or else they wouldve never got the gigs...but the Revolution was in no way his best band, and they might just be the least talented band he's ever had.

This. They’re just popular due to the movie on top of timing. They were around during his commercial peak. Fans need to let that nostalgia go. If they’re your favorite, fine but saying they’re his best band is borderline delusional.
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Reply #123 posted 05/10/21 4:19am

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thebanishedone said:

TonyVanDam said:

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Had the circumstances been better, The Revolution could have lasted at least 2 more Prince albums after the Parade-era. The catches?:

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#1. Prince would have laid-off Bobby Z no matter what to make room for Shelia E. on drums.

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#2. A full time horn section featuring Eric Leeds, Atlanta Bliss, and/or Eddle M. would have been added to the band line-up.

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#3. Although Wendy Melvoin was/is stronger for the rock & folk sound, Miko Weaver was stronger for the rhythm & blues [r&b] sound, hence why Prince needed him either way.

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All 3 points validate that need for the "Prince & The Counter-Revolution" idea for live show. Also, the Dream Factory would have the next album release instead of SOTT. Just imagine what could have been in 1986-88! nod hmmm

Why you think Wendy was better for rock? Miko is funky but he is a rocker as well,his distorted rhythm guitar on rockier songs was more rock than Wendy. i agree about everything else and Lovesexy band played the same arrangements as Parade tour band

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IHO, Wendy has always been in her element with rock. I stand by my words [as a Wendy & Lisa sympathizer].

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And BTW, I've seen and heard the live version of Electric Chair to know that Miko can rock.

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Reply #124 posted 05/10/21 4:23am

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Miko Weaver is better than Wendy at every aspect of guitar playing...by alot

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Dez Dickerson is better than Wendy & Miko. If I had to create my own all-time Prince backing band lineup, Dez would get drafted for lead guitar ahead of both of them [and I'm a Wendy & Lisa fan admitting that much!]. wink

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Reply #125 posted 05/10/21 4:28am

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tab32792 said:


TonyVanDam said:

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Had the circumstances been better, The Revolution could have lasted at least 2 more Prince albums after the Parade-era. The catches?:

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#1. Prince would have laid-off Bobby Z no matter what to make room for Shelia E. on drums.

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#2. A full time horn section featuring Eric Leeds, Atlanta Bliss, and/or Eddle M. would have been added to the band line-up.

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#3. Although Wendy Melvoin was/is stronger for the rock & folk sound, Miko Weaver was stronger for the rhythm & blues [r&b] sound, hence why Prince needed him either way.

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All 3 points validate that need for the "Prince & The Counter-Revolution" idea for live show. Also, the Dream Factory would have the next album release instead of SOTT. Just imagine what could have been in 1986-88! nod hmmm

No thanks lol 2 years of pop/rock/ethereal music was more than enough

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Damn, you really hated the Around The World In A Day album that much? lol

[Edited 5/10/21 16:15pm]

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Reply #126 posted 05/10/21 5:19am

RJOrion

TonyVanDam said:



RJOrion said:


Miko Weaver is better than Wendy at every aspect of guitar playing...by alot

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Dez Dickerson is better than Wendy & Miko. If I had to create my own all-time Prince backing band lineup, Dez would get drafted for lead guitar ahead of both of them [and I'm a Wendy & Lisa fan admitting that much!]. wink



no argument here...Dez Dickerson is my alltime favorite Prince employee
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Reply #127 posted 05/10/21 5:30am

RJOrion

Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.
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Reply #128 posted 05/10/21 6:17am

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RJOrion said:

Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.


I think Around the World in a Day might be my favorite Prince record after 1999. Along with the 12-inch versions and B-sides that's defintely my favorite era. The America video shows a band completely on fire.

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Reply #129 posted 05/10/21 7:35am

RJOrion

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RJOrion said:


Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.


I think Around the World in a Day might be my favorite Prince record after 1999. Along with the 12-inch versions and B-sides that's defintely my favorite era. The America video shows a band completely on fire.



yeah "America" and "Condition Of The Heart" are GREAT songs...but the rest of the songs dont really move me that much...even good songs like Pop Life, ATWIAD, and Raspberry Beret got old quick... and i never liked Paisley Park (yuck), The Ladder (yawn) or Temptation...it always seemed like that album needed 2 or 3 more songs...it was very short on funk and soul.
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Reply #130 posted 05/10/21 7:42am

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RJOrion said:

JudasLChrist said:


I think Around the World in a Day might be my favorite Prince record after 1999. Along with the 12-inch versions and B-sides that's defintely my favorite era. The America video shows a band completely on fire.

yeah "America" and "Condition Of The Heart" are GREAT songs...but the rest of the songs dont really move me that much...even good songs like Pop Life, ATWIAD, and Raspberry Beret got old quick... and i never liked Paisley Park (yuck), The Ladder (yawn) or Temptation...it always seemed like that album needed 2 or 3 more songs...it was very short on funk and soul.


I think Tamborine and Condition of the Heart are my 2 favorite Prince songs. I love the Raspberry Beret 12". She's Always in My Hair, Girl. I love "Paisely Park", and remember how blown away by it I was when I first heard it. Temptation is underrated. It's a good piece of music. I wouldn't give that record to someone as the absolute first thing for people to listen to, but I have turned people on to Prince by playing cuts from it. It's the record where you can show people that there's so much more to Prince than that Purple Rain song. It's wild and free.

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Reply #131 posted 05/10/21 8:30am

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RJOrion said:

Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.


I agree.I was kinda disappointed with this album.I love the song “Paisley Park”,though.
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Reply #132 posted 05/10/21 8:38am

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SoulAlive said:

RJOrion said:
Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.
I agree.I was kinda disappointed with this album.I love the song “Paisley Park”,though.

i don't think For You is better than Around The World. on For You Prince had not get what makes him Prince.it's kind of bland,not a real showcase of what is about to follow,on Around The World Prince persona was already formed but he was expendng his pallet.

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Reply #133 posted 05/10/21 8:42am

RJOrion

thebanishedone said:



SoulAlive said:


RJOrion said:
Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.

I agree.I was kinda disappointed with this album.I love the song “Paisley Park”,though.

i don't think For You is better than Around The World. on For You Prince had not get what makes him Prince.it's kind of bland,not a real showcase of what is about to follow,on Around The World Prince persona was already formed but he was expendng his pallet.



i respectfully disagree...i think For You is WAY better than Around The World In A Day...For You is in my personal Top 3 favorite Prince lps of all time, and easily the one i play the most..and it has 3 of my favorite Prince songs of all time

My Love Is Forever (my all time favorite song by Prince)
Crazy You
In Love

i know that may not be a popular opinion, but we all love and like different things for different reasons, and im completely cool with that
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Reply #134 posted 05/10/21 9:56am

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RJOrion said:

thebanishedone said:

i don't think For You is better than Around The World. on For You Prince had not get what makes him Prince.it's kind of bland,not a real showcase of what is about to follow,on Around The World Prince persona was already formed but he was expendng his pallet.

i respectfully disagree...i think For You is WAY better than Around The World In A Day...For You is in my personal Top 3 favorite Prince lps of all time, and easily the one i play the most..and it has 3 of my favorite Prince songs of all time My Love Is Forever (my all time favorite song by Prince) Crazy You In Love i know that may not be a popular opinion, but we all love and like different things for different reasons, and im completely cool with that [Edited 5/10/21 8:47am]

Agree with you but can we agree that Prince persona was not really formed until Controversy? or even 1999 era?

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Reply #135 posted 05/10/21 10:36am

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thebanishedone said:

RJOrion said:

thebanishedone said: i respectfully disagree...i think For You is WAY better than Around The World In A Day...For You is in my personal Top 3 favorite Prince lps of all time, and easily the one i play the most..and it has 3 of my favorite Prince songs of all time My Love Is Forever (my all time favorite song by Prince) Crazy You In Love i know that may not be a popular opinion, but we all love and like different things for different reasons, and im completely cool with that [Edited 5/10/21 8:47am]

Agree with you but can we agree that Prince persona was not really formed until Controversy? or even 1999 era?


I mean... The Prince persona emerged with Dirty Mind and kept developing from there.

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Reply #136 posted 05/10/21 11:10am

RJOrion

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RJOrion said:


thebanishedone said:


i don't think For You is better than Around The World. on For You Prince had not get what makes him Prince.it's kind of bland,not a real showcase of what is about to follow,on Around The World Prince persona was already formed but he was expendng his pallet.



i respectfully disagree...i think For You is WAY better than Around The World In A Day...For You is in my personal Top 3 favorite Prince lps of all time, and easily the one i play the most..and it has 3 of my favorite Prince songs of all time My Love Is Forever (my all time favorite song by Prince) Crazy You In Love i know that may not be a popular opinion, but we all love and like different things for different reasons, and im completely cool with that [Edited 5/10/21 8:47am]

Agree with you but can we agree that Prince persona was not really formed until Controversy? or even 1999 era?



yeah thats true...but when i hear or listen to music, the artist's "persona" is not part of my listening experience... im just reacting to the music and lyrics that i hear and feel...which is why i can even enjoy music by people who i dont like or care for on a personal level...thats how i became a Prince fan in the first place...i thought he was an overly effeminate weirdo back in 1979, but i couldnt deny how much i loved "Sexy Dancer" and "Its Gonna Be Lonely" when my high school girlfriend would play that "Prince" LP over and over again.
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Reply #137 posted 05/10/21 1:10pm

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RJOrion said:

Out of the first 10 albums Prince recorded, "Around The World In A Day" is easily the worst...not that its trash (because it isnt), but it just doesnt have the excitement or replay value of any of the other albums from "For You" to "Lovesexy"...and maybe even some of the albums after that.

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Man, I love this album.

From top 2 bottom with the 12"es included it was one of his best projects.

It was also the 1st time he included REAL horns which I had been complaining about a couple of years before with the synth horns.

This album is easily in my top 10 Prince albums.

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Reply #138 posted 05/10/21 4:23pm

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RJOrion said:

yeah "America" and "Condition Of The Heart" are GREAT songs...but the rest of the songs dont really move me that much...even good songs like Pop Life, ATWIAD, and Raspberry Beret got old quick... and i never liked Paisley Park (yuck), The Ladder (yawn) or Temptation...it always seemed like that album needed 2 or 3 more songs...it was very short on funk and soul.

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I will go as far as to say the b-sides from that era, She's Always In My Hair, Hello, & Girl were stronger tracks than THOSE^ 3 songs that made the final cut.

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Reply #139 posted 05/10/21 5:42pm

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Easy with the 3EG jabs!!!!!
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Reply #140 posted 05/10/21 7:22pm

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TonyVanDam said:

RJOrion said:

yeah "America" and "Condition Of The Heart" are GREAT songs...but the rest of the songs dont really move me that much...even good songs like Pop Life, ATWIAD, and Raspberry Beret got old quick... and i never liked Paisley Park (yuck), The Ladder (yawn) or Temptation...it always seemed like that album needed 2 or 3 more songs...it was very short on funk and soul.

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I will go as far as to say the b-sides from that era, She's Always In My Hair, Hello, & Girl were stronger tracks than THOSE^ 3 songs that made the final cut.

100%

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Reply #141 posted 06/08/21 10:58pm

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Hard to believe anyone would compare the Revolution to the E Street Band.

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E Street Band - Wikipedia

The E Street Band is an American rock band, and has been musician Bruce Springsteen's primary backing band since 1972. The band was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2014.

When not working with Springsteen, members of the band have recorded solo material and have pursued successful careers as session musicians, record producers, songwriters, actors and other roles in entertainment. The most highly visible in their separate careers are drummer Max Weinberg, who has led his own band, first on Late Night with Conan O'Brien and then on the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien, from 1993 to 2010, and guitarist Steven Van Zandt, who starred as Silvio Dante in the HBO television series The Sopranos, from 1999 to 2007, and as Frank "The Fixer" Tagliano in the 2012–2014 Netflix series Lilyhammer.

The band members have also performed and recorded (both individually and as a band) with a wide range of other artists including Air Supply, Gary U.S. Bonds, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Ray Davies, Dire Straits, Bob Dylan, Steve Earle, John Fogerty, Aretha Franklin, Peter Gabriel, The Grateful Dead, Emmylou Harris, Ian Hunter, Lady Gaga, Darlene Love, Paul McCartney, Meat Loaf, Tom Morello, Stevie Nicks, Lou Reed, The Rolling Stones, Santana, Bob Seger, Southside Johnny, Ronnie Spector, Ringo Starr, Sting, Bonnie Tyler, Lucinda Williams, and Neil Young.

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Reply #142 posted 06/08/21 11:27pm

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Hard to believe anyone would compare the Revolution to the E Street Band.


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E Street Band - Wikipedia



The E Street Band is an American rock band, and has been musician Bruce Springsteen's primary backing band since 1972. The band was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2014.


When not working with Springsteen, members of the band have recorded solo material and have pursued successful careers as session musicians, record producers, songwriters, actors and other roles in entertainment. The most highly visible in their separate careers are drummer Max Weinberg, who has led his own band, first on Late Night with Conan O'Brien and then on the Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien, from 1993 to 2010, and guitarist Steven Van Zandt, who starred as Silvio Dante in the HBO television series The Sopranos, from 1999 to 2007, and as Frank "The Fixer" Tagliano in the 2012–2014 Netflix series Lilyhammer.


The band members have also performed and recorded (both individually and as a band) with a wide range of other artists including Air Supply, Gary U.S. Bonds, David Bowie, Tracy Chapman, Ray Davies, Dire Straits, Bob Dylan, Steve Earle, John Fogerty, Aretha Franklin, Peter Gabriel, The Grateful Dead, Emmylou Harris, Ian Hunter, Lady Gaga, Darlene Love, Paul McCartney, Meat Loaf, Tom Morello, Stevie Nicks, Lou Reed, The Rolling Stones, Santana, Bob Seger, Southside Johnny, Ronnie Spector, Ringo Starr, Sting, Bonnie Tyler, Lucinda Williams, and Neil Young.



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Surely the Rev is hot on their heels though.
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Reply #143 posted 06/09/21 5:35am

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It's still not going to happen.

"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #144 posted 06/09/21 5:53am

LoveGalore

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It's still not going to happen.



But look at all the classic, genre- and generation-spanning music they created both with and without Prince.
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Reply #145 posted 06/09/21 6:12am

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LoveGalore said:

jaawwnn said:

It's still not going to happen.

But look at all the classic, genre- and generation-spanning music they created both with and without Prince.

Personally i'd love for what would essentially be a new W&L album but with the rest of the Revolution backing them, they're arguably a realer band now than they were in 1984. The RnR hall of fame is just where dinosaurs go to die.

"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #146 posted 06/09/21 6:16am

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Since Wendy and/or Lisa performed with Prince a few times in the 00's (Tavis Smiley, Brit Awards, Planet Earth) . . . can they also be considered members of the NPG?

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Reply #147 posted 06/09/21 6:23am

LoveGalore

Se7en said:

Since Wendy and/or Lisa performed with Prince a few times in the 00's (Tavis Smiley, Brit Awards, Planet Earth) . . . can they also be considered members of the NPG?

Great point - count Sheila E in for that too.

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