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Reply #30 posted 04/06/21 12:52pm

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I kinda want to name TLC's Waterfalls as the true start of Neo Soul.
Discuss Especially if you have heard the track recently. That being said if Prince started it, TLC set it off.
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Reply #31 posted 04/06/21 2:50pm

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Um no. TLC were good but had nothing to do with neo soul really. That song is very pop.

Though organized noise deserve credit more than they get.
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Reply #32 posted 04/06/21 3:10pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Um no. TLC were good but had nothing to do with neo soul really. That song is very pop.

Though organized noise deserve credit more than they get.
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oh my days, you probably think shorty got low by flo rida is neo soul.
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Reply #33 posted 04/06/21 4:07pm

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heartpeacesheart said:

I kinda want to name TLC's Waterfalls as the true start of Neo Soul. Discuss Especially if you have heard the track recently. That being said if Prince started it, TLC set it off.


LOL I can only take this as satire, because "Waterfalls" is straight ahead pop. TLC never dipped into neo-soul, anywhere at anytime.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #34 posted 04/06/21 4:25pm

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heartpeacesheart said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Um no. TLC were good but had nothing to do with neo soul really. That song is very pop.

Though organized noise deserve credit more than they get.
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oh my days, you probably think shorty got low by flo rida is neo soul.


Sorry but you know not what you speak of.
You prob think the rainbow children invented neo soul.

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Reply #35 posted 04/06/21 4:46pm

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Where's Terence Trent Darby and his big 1987 hit album Introducing the Hardline According to Terence Trent D'Arby fit in with Neo-Soul (and his #1 hit Wishing Well that Prince even covered a few seconds of once or twice on the Lovesexy Tour?)

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Reply #36 posted 04/06/21 4:56pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

heartpeacesheart said:
oh my days, you probably think shorty got low by flo rida is neo soul.
Sorry but you know not what you speak of. You prob think the rainbow children invented neo soul. biggrin [Edited 4/6/21 16:25pm]


No I don't think that the rainbow children invented neo soul. I could say that the rainbow children invented the cover art to neo soul. But what I really do not know is Sly Stone's Riot so that in and of itself makes me not have all of the study materials necessary to answer the "Why is "the ballad of dorothy parker" hailed as the birth of neo-soul"?

I deleted a bunch of other non related thoughts but still, what's up with the topic, are the topics on auto regenerate or honestly, I'd love the job of deciding what topics to reintroduce on to the front page(s). maybe.

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Reply #37 posted 04/06/21 4:57pm

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3rdEyeUnlimited said:

Dad Joke: The entire 60s/70s jazz-funk era is on line one and would like to speak with this thread...


I wish there was a "like" button because I would "like" your post if there was one" lol

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Reply #38 posted 04/06/21 5:00pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

heartpeacesheart said:

I kinda want to name TLC's Waterfalls as the true start of Neo Soul. Discuss Especially if you have heard the track recently. That being said if Prince started it, TLC set it off.


LOL I can only take this as satire, because "Waterfalls" is straight ahead pop. TLC never dipped into neo-soul, anywhere at anytime.


You can take it as satire but COME ON!!! Can't you HEAR music????

Oh my gosh, I want and need to do a segue between the two songs right this minute.

I don't have the equipment but if anybody wants to hear it, just blend the songs together dang!

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Reply #39 posted 04/06/21 5:00pm

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ufoclub said:

Where's Terence Trent Darby and his big 1987 hit album Introducing the Hardline According to Terence Trent D'Arby fit in with Neo-Soul (and his #1 hit Wishing Well that Prince even covered a few seconds of once or twice on the Lovesexy Tour?)


Yeah I might have to say that Terrence Trent Darby won this.

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Reply #40 posted 04/06/21 5:02pm

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The 1993 "Plantation Lullabies" album (for me) was the first taste of retro sounding soul in the early 90's....The layered keyboards, programming, percussion, bass and spoken word on there reminded me a lot of 1970's Herbie Hancock and Gil Scott-Heron. Even heard a little bit of P's late 70's/early 80's influence in there too.

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Reply #41 posted 04/06/21 5:04pm

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SPYZFAN1 said:

The 1993 "Plantation Lullabies" album (for me) was the first taste of retro sounding soul in the early 90's....The layered keyboards, programming, percussion, bass and spoken word on there reminded me a lot of 1970's Herbie Hancock and Gil Scott-Heron. Even heard a little bit of P's late 70's/early 80's influence in there too.


I just know that "Plantation Lullabies" is an awesome title

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Reply #42 posted 04/06/21 8:04pm

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SPYZFAN1 said:

The 1993 Plantation Lullabies album (for me) was the first taste of retro sounding soul in the early 90's....The layered keyboards, programming, percussion, bass and spoken word ...


I totally agree.

Her first couple of records were great, but she sorta went the TTD route after that.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #43 posted 04/06/21 11:21pm

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I'm going to be anal and say riot used a drum machine
Most neo soul did not
And when I hear dorothy parker I do not hear neo soul as we know it
Questlove just wanted to credit prince as he's a huge prince fan
The links are tenuous

Neo soul was just a dumb genre name
I consider it to be the sound of brown sugar, baduizm, chico debarge, Lyndon David hall

It was minimal, Rhodes based, and generally falsetto

But
Broadly you can see it as alternative rnb
And that includes meshell, tomy toni tone, joi, adriana Evan's etc etc who all sound different, only thing they have in common is they were doing rnb and soul that didnt sound like regular 90s rnb

After the early 00s though, that neo soul sound died and it just became alternative rnb in general, much more diverse
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Reply #44 posted 04/07/21 3:45am

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RODSERLING said:

Sly Stone' There's a Riot Goin On was already Neo-Soul, and obviously the main inspiration for Voodoo.


Yeah, I was gonna say "Family Affair" was decades earlier and Dorothy Parker cribs from it pretty hard

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Reply #45 posted 04/07/21 9:27am

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I'm thinking that "non-commercial" might be the term one would apply in substitution of the TTD quip, but brilliant and introspective would probably serve best. Plus they were brothers & sisters of the proto-neo-soulful stylists.


TrivialPursuit said:



SPYZFAN1 said:


The 1993 Plantation Lullabies album (for me) was the first taste of retro sounding soul in the early 90's....The layered keyboards, programming, percussion, bass and spoken word ...




I totally agree.

Her first couple of records were great, but she sorta went the TTD route after that.


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Reply #46 posted 04/07/21 2:45pm

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me shell had a few good songs, but she cant sing for shit, that was her problem. she sounds flat AF all the time. and her poetry/lyrics werent THAT interesting to me. if she just played bass, and was an instrumentalist, it would be fine.

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Reply #47 posted 04/07/21 4:59pm

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Germanegro said:

I'm thinking that "non-commercial" might be the term one would apply in substitution of the TTD quip, but brilliant and introspective would probably serve best. Plus they were brothers & sisters of the proto-neo-soulful stylists.


Fair assessment. I remember sorta being into Cookie, but honestly don't remember much after that. Although, I did win a copy of Devil's Halo from some online radio show. Weather is the last record I remember her releasing, but I think she's done more since.

Her and TTD could've helped take progressive soul into the 2000s. But alas... no.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #48 posted 04/07/21 6:34pm

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Because of the release of The Truth.
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Reply #49 posted 04/13/21 6:14am

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It annoys me when people try to label his music other than Prince or Purple Music

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Reply #50 posted 04/13/21 6:41am

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Herbie Hanckock's "I thought it was you" is hailed as the birth of Daft Punk....

In all seriousness, I was in the UK at the time of all the Neo-Soul glory, and even as a huge (and I mean huge) Prince fan, not once did I think "well they all sound inspired by TBODP".

Great song though... biggrin

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Reply #51 posted 04/13/21 2:46pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

It annoys me when people try to label his music other than Prince or Purple Music

Questluv tried to say at one time Prince was Hip Hop disbelief


I kind of agree with this.

He borrowed from a LOT of other musicians but the way he blended so much together was really unique and combined with his experimentations, really produced a one of a kind sound. I can't imagine another artist first coming up with something like "Kiss" or "when Doves Cry".

I think it's fair to say that '"x" sounds like Prince' is said more than "Prince sounds like "x"'

Especially with the proliferation of sampling that took hold during the late 80's and 90's.

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