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Vannormal

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5 years of post releases

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I don't want to say The Estate sucks...

But at least they could provide us from time to time with some intern info on what they are actually doing (on whatever).

Prince sure isn't that big anymore to be so constantly mysterious about.

Keeping his legacy alive ? Oh yeah ?

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An example, check https://www.davidbowie.com

Look at how fantastic David Bowie's legacy is played out to their fans on nearly a weekly basis...

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Why not some info to entertain us all some more, like "We just discovered this, or that..."

And even no need for an exact title or project name... that kind of mystery is understandably acceptable.

There are so much ways to keep (us longtime) fans (and others) warm and interested, instead of left frustrated.

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- Show some pictures, show faces of those who work on stuff.

(Give The Estate some more visibility, and by this I don't just mean Michael Howe.)

- Like, what is newly discoverd in the vault(s) but not exactly needed for an upcoming project.

- There must be so much more to share with us on a weekly or even monthly basis than.... nothing ?!

- Tell a stories, there must be stories to be found in the vault too, anything would be fine.

- Like for instance, the small clip released about the production of the 7" SOTT box set...

- It can't be all that difficult.

- Why always such unnecessary mysteries? It is not that difficult to communicate with us fans a little more.

- Like us, those loyal fans, most over 4O/50 years old ones, who buy basically everything. (Where you earn your $ on.)

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WHY NOT :

Release some remixes that are though unworthy for the next SDE release ?

Ask some other great remixers out there to remix a known track ?

Show us live snippets of the thousands hours of live recordings you have ?

Show us some more unused photo shoots ?

Or snippets of video's he made and never officialy released.

Same goes for the countless unreleased protegé stuff ?

Some projects he had in mind but never got materialised ?

Just give us STORIES !

AND PLEASE...

Less boring quotes that really don't add anything to anyone anymore.

(I'm talking about the boring stuff on facebook and instagram or twitter...)

We all know how genius he was, and what others think of him.

There is often far more better stuff, info, storeis to be found on fan-sites.

But you guys can bring it professionally, with hopefully better check & balances.

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A brief example of an interesting story i read the other day on instagram,

by Miko Weaver; on how he and Prince had a fall out. Things like that.

And he announced other stories to come, to justify some hearsay going round.

Like the 'human' side of all things Prince and associates or people who worked with or for him.

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I'm ready to pay anything for whatever will be released, and i'm possibly not alone (here).

It can't be that after five years, there's just so little and nearly too late.

ESTATE ? GODDAMNIT, ACT - REACT - PARTICIPATE - ENTERTAIN US and yourself.

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PLEASE EVERYONE REACT.

They might hear or read this.

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Reply #1 posted 02/17/21 4:19am

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I would really love it if they released things that we as lifelong fans can put next to the 'official' releases and SDE sets. things like this for example:


https://www.bluesmagazine...-harrison/


This set is 3 discs and costs $ 20.-

I would go nuts over releases like this alongside the boxsets of 1999 and SOTT. Just throw all the different mixes, live in studio takes, demo recordings etc on such little sets. They could simply sell them on the official website without too much hype so they don't get in the way of the 'big' releases and we as obsessed fans get to have something new every few months. same could be done for live shows etc.


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Reply #2 posted 02/17/21 6:23am

Vannormal

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Is it because of the Pandemic ?

I don't agree at all. On the contrary !

During this pandemic it could/should've been thé way to keep the legacy alive through all sorts of ideas mentioned.

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I'm fully aware that this pandemic results in people losing jobs and money.

So don't mention that another SDE release would fail because of that. Possible though, itm not an expert for that matter.

But understandably, it all could have been so much more interesting for the (lock-down) fans and music lovers past year (and time to come).

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It also is one of the best methods to keep the whole legacy a little more alive and up to date for all.

People have never spent as much time on the internet as they did last year.

I personally think it's a really missed opportunity for The Estate to remain silent so much and so long. Same goes for both SONY or WB.

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Reply #3 posted 02/17/21 6:26am

Vannormal

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LILpoundCAKE said:

I would really love it if they released things that we as lifelong fans can put next to the 'official' releases and SDE sets. things like this for example:


https://www.bluesmagazine...-harrison/


This set is 3 discs and costs $ 20.-

I would go nuts over releases like this alongside the boxsets of 1999 and SOTT. Just throw all the different mixes, live in studio takes, demo recordings etc on such little sets. They could simply sell them on the official website without too much hype so they don't get in the way of the 'big' releases and we as obsessed fans get to have something new every few months. same could be done for live shows etc.


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That !

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I personally don't care that much for the $$ i have to pay to get some more - they have to make money to be able to keep the whole circus running. PP and The Estate absorb tons of money, obviously.

But i understand what you mean.

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Reply #4 posted 02/17/21 7:10am

RODSERLING

I agree, I can't understand why it hurts them so much to give a clear agenda.
Howe's interviews are ludicrous.
As if we were talking about millions of copies sold that would be damaged if they announced clearly what they were going to release or not...
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Reply #5 posted 02/17/21 7:46am

jfenster

They Need third party...a fan....to help with decisions on releases
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Reply #6 posted 02/17/21 8:10am

Vannormal

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jfenster said:

They Need third party...a fan....to help with decisions on releases

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They have Duane Tudahl.

My guess is the contracts and shit.

Fear of mising out on 1 lousy $.

it's always about money, never about Prince's music.

It even was like that when Prince managed his own stuff in the second part of his carreer, from the nineties on. Dispite whatever he wanted us to believe.

That's how i feel it after all these years.

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Reply #7 posted 02/17/21 11:25am

Margot

Vannormal said:

jfenster said:

They Need third party...a fan....to help with decisions on releases

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They have Duane Tudahl.

My guess is the contracts and shit.

Fear of mising out on 1 lousy $.

it's always about money, never about Prince's music.

It even was like that when Prince managed his own stuff in the second part of his carreer, from the nineties on. Dispite whatever he wanted us to believe.

That's how i feel it after all these years.

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Prince, post-death did not have someone like a wife, adult children, or other

trusted person @ the forefront making sure that his legacy was handled correctly

David Bowie has Iman who I would bet has influence.

Same w/Tom Petty...wife and adult children.

Elvis...Priscilla Presley

[Edited 2/17/21 11:27am]

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Reply #8 posted 02/17/21 7:14pm

lavendardrumma
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Vannormal said:

ys can bring it professionally, with hopefully better check & balances.

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A brief example of an interesting story i read the other day on instagram,

by Miko Weaver; on how he and Prince had a fall out. Things like that.

[Edited 2/17/21 6:14am]


That doesn't really benefit the Estate though.

I get that you want more material, and interaction. They have a lot of cooks in the kitchen, and some of the methods to monetize his name are at odds with how he produced his work. I don't think they know how to manage all of this properly and I think part of the issue is the more you release, the more the mythology fades away for some periods of work.

I think the other issue might be that the cost to produce Prince content compared to the returns and the income it's generating, aren't working out.

The other elephant in the room is he didn't leave instructions or plans, and he was fickle about who he worked with and entrusted, so there's no vision being carried out. Most of the family involved did not have his business sense.

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Reply #9 posted 02/18/21 2:41am

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prince just has a board of trustees from the looks of it

no family member or spouse or anyone to take control of his legacy

so they are doing the best they can

id say they are doing a decent job

maybe not what you all want

but a good one, or as good as can be expected

even with a family like the hendrix family in charge, its not always done that well

so hey, so far, they are doing what most people wanted - i.e. releasing all that unreleased material which most people thought would never happen.

thats got to count for something.

we got 3 unreleased albums worth of songs last year.

im sure we will get something similar this year.

its ok for them to keep us guessing.

thats the fun lol

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Reply #10 posted 02/18/21 2:48am

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lavendardrummachine said:

I think part of the issue is the more you release, the more the mythology fades away for some periods of work.

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Honestly, nobody gives a shit about that. All that mysterious bullshit had already gotten old looong ago, and Prince would have massively benefited from being more open and collaborating on a documentary series like Classic Albums etc. and curating his vault and back catalog.

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I think the other issue might be that the cost to produce Prince content compared to the returns and the income it's generating, aren't working out.

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Possible, but you don't solve that by doing more of the same (i.e. SDEs and re-releases) except more expensively and less frequently. Except for a couple of oddly timed interviews with Michael Howe which offer almost no relevant info and which don't seem to promote anything, and some random vinyl re-releases (The Hits 1, a Sheila E album,...) which we often only know about because they pop up on some online store (gotta love that the Estate continues the practise of Prince where official announcement only come days after the news has already leaked).

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I mean, the SOTT SDE was kind of a clusterfuck, with news emerging about its amount of disks more than a month befpore the announcement and ?uestlove then leaking plenty of its contents in a DJ set. Then it took weeks for an official announcement, and then we had to wait three months (which were luckily partly bridged by an excellent podcast series), and then... nothing. SOTT SDE is released and then shortly afterwards nothing more happens, and now we're mid-Feb and chances are we'll only get some news around 21 April, almost seven months after SOTT SDE was released.

.

Like I've said before: considering that the contents of the vault are so massive, and that there's no way they'll ever manage to monetise all of its contents (especially all those live tapes), consider releasing some less interesting bits through less prominent means. Like a website where fans can buy the odd live concert recording. Or release some worthwhile things for RSD, e.g. the actual Camille album.

.

Instead there is yet again an ever-growing list of promised projects that we don't get updates on (other than the occasional remark). Where's the Netflix documenatry series? Where's the AppleTV documentary on the Aug83 concert (likely stalled to get released in conjunction with a PR SDE)? Etc.

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Reply #11 posted 02/18/21 3:04am

Vannormal

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lavendardrummachine said:

That doesn't really benefit the Estate though.

I get that you want more material, and interaction. They have a lot of cooks in the kitchen, and some of the methods to monetize his name are at odds with how he produced his work. I don't think they know how to manage all of this properly and I think part of the issue is the more you release, the more the mythology fades away for some periods of work.

I think the other issue might be that the cost to produce Prince content compared to the returns and the income it's generating, aren't working out.

The other elephant in the room is he didn't leave instructions or plans, and he was fickle about who he worked with and entrusted, so there's no vision being carried out. Most of the family involved did not have his business sense.

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Don't agree.

It can always benefit The Estate (and the party involved) in the way you tell a story.

I do believe if they make Prince more human, people will gain more interest.

And you're right by saying that they hardly know how to handle and manage the intire legacy.

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This pandemic is a huge missed oportunity to keep the world and us fans warm.

It's not that I want a constant release of new material, but just simply more interaction.

So I agree on what you state by not letting the mythology fade away.

If they have a lot cooking in the kitchen, why don't they inform us about it ?!

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If the costs and returned income are out of balance, why not communicate with the fans about it?

I don't see what could be wrong about that.

(maybe it's my Flemish way of thinking wink

Like, a release of all different versions of edits could be done different.

Same for live shows, the accompanying book, etc.

And other small mistakes like the7'' vinyl bow set, they should've produced more.

Or even a re-issue as a CD-single box set for the CD lovers.

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If they only could and dare to communicate about the elephant in the room.

Things would be far more acceptable and understanding for all involved.

Now, there's only lack of info which leads to poor or even bad publicity.

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #12 posted 02/18/21 3:18am

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Vannormal said:

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WHY NOT :

Release some remixes that are though unworthy for the next SDE release ?

Ask some other great remixers out there to remix a known track ?

[Edited 2/17/21 6:14am]


NO, NO, NO. I remember how awful the Michael Jackson album was where they remixed his songs featuring some of the days top stars. I do not want anybody remixing anything they release. Just my two cents.

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Reply #13 posted 02/18/21 4:04am

Vannormal

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djdaffy1227 said:

Vannormal said:

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WHY NOT :

Release some remixes that are though unworthy for the next SDE release ?

Ask some other great remixers out there to remix a known track ?

[Edited 2/17/21 6:14am]


NO, NO, NO. I remember how awful the Michael Jackson album was where they remixed his songs featuring some of the days top stars. I do not want anybody remixing anything they release. Just my two cents.

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Well, Michael Jackson never ever had good remixers or DJ's doing his legacy imho.

I'm talking about contemporary and timeless artists, producers, remixers, like :

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Nils Frahm (remixing some slow Prnce jam)

Arca (remixing 'The Beautiful Ones')

Damon Albarn (remixing an uptempo track)

MNEk (remixing some funky track)

The National (remexing ICNTTPOYM)

RedOne (remixing a pop track)

Geoff Barrow (remixing 'Crystal Ball')

David Sitec (redoing any Prince track)

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Other big and new producers of now :

Major Tom

Andreas Kleerup

Beck

Andrew Weatherall

James Ford

Dj Mustard

Mac Miller

Chuck Inglish

THC

Kendric Lamar

Digi & Phonics

Clams Casino

Juicy J

araabMuzic

Sonny Digital

Harry Fraud

Cardo

Hit-Boy

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and soooooooo many more.

These are just a small list of the best youngsters and newest producers out there !

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #14 posted 02/18/21 4:13am

funkbabyandthe
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no remixes please.

unless its a separate project, where different producers take on his songs.

i dont want any modern remixes tacked onto vault releases.

id rather have an album of modern covers.

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Reply #15 posted 02/18/21 5:23am

jfenster

Vannormal said:



djdaffy1227 said:




Vannormal said:



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WHY NOT :


Release some remixes that are though unworthy for the next SDE release ?


Ask some other great remixers out there to remix a known track ?



[Edited 2/17/21 6:14am]





NO, NO, NO. I remember how awful the Michael Jackson album was where they remixed his songs featuring some of the days top stars. I do not want anybody remixing anything they release. Just my two cents.



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Well, Michael Jackson never ever had good remixers or DJ's doing his legacy imho.


I'm talking about contemporary and timeless artists, producers, remixers, like :


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Nils Frahm (remixing some slow Prnce jam)


Arca (remixing 'The Beautiful Ones')


Damon Albarn (remixing an uptempo track)


MNEk (remixing some funky track)


The National (remexing ICNTTPOYM)


RedOne (remixing a pop track)


Geoff Barrow (remixing 'Crystal Ball')


David Sitec (redoing any Prince track)


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Other big and new producers of now :


Major Tom


Andreas Kleerup


Beck


Andrew Weatherall


James Ford


Dj Mustard


Mac Miller


Chuck Inglish


THC


Kendric Lamar


Digi & Phonics


Clams Casino


Juicy J


araabMuzic


Sonny Digital


Harry Fraud


Cardo


Hit-Boy


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and sooooo many more.


These are just a small list of the best youngsters and newest producers out there !


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Reply #16 posted 02/18/21 5:42am

Vannormal

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BartVanHemelen said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I think part of the issue is the more you release, the more the mythology fades away for some periods of work.

.

Honestly, nobody gives a shit about that. All that mysterious bullshit had already gotten old looong ago, and Prince would have massively benefited from being more open and collaborating on a documentary series like Classic Albums etc. and curating his vault and back catalog.

.


I think the other issue might be that the cost to produce Prince content compared to the returns and the income it's generating, aren't working out.

.

Possible, but you don't solve that by doing more of the same (i.e. SDEs and re-releases) except more expensively and less frequently. Except for a couple of oddly timed interviews with Michael Howe which offer almost no relevant info and which don't seem to promote anything, and some random vinyl re-releases (The Hits 1, a Sheila E album,...) which we often only know about because they pop up on some online store (gotta love that the Estate continues the practise of Prince where official announcement only come days after the news has already leaked).

.

I mean, the SOTT SDE was kind of a clusterfuck, with news emerging about its amount of disks more than a month befpore the announcement and ?uestlove then leaking plenty of its contents in a DJ set. Then it took weeks for an official announcement, and then we had to wait three months (which were luckily partly bridged by an excellent podcast series), and then... nothing. SOTT SDE is released and then shortly afterwards nothing more happens, and now we're mid-Feb and chances are we'll only get some news around 21 April, almost seven months after SOTT SDE was released.

.

Like I've said before: considering that the contents of the vault are so massive, and that there's no way they'll ever manage to monetise all of its contents (especially all those live tapes), consider releasing some less interesting bits through less prominent means. Like a website where fans can buy the odd live concert recording. Or release some worthwhile things for RSD, e.g. the actual Camille album.

.

Instead there is yet again an ever-growing list of promised projects that we don't get updates on (other than the occasional remark). Where's the Netflix documenatry series? Where's the AppleTV documentary on the Aug83 concert (likely stalled to get released in conjunction with a PR SDE)? Etc.

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Thank you Bart.

Your English is much better than mine at signaling what I wanted to say.
I absolutely agree with the way they released and promoted the SOTT SDE.
Actually, the release and promotion of the '' SDE from 1999 '' was not that different.
They should have released multiple singles from that SOTT SDE.
They could have easily released 10 unreleased songs as singles to keep things alive and spark more interest through all kinds of channels like radio stations, better social media information, etc.
They could have used tons of video footage that's in the safe to put together accompanying video clips.

The Holly Rock video was a very nice try, but that was about it.

And the podcast series were absolutely excelent.

Honor where honer is due.

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And like you say, the RSD misser... how on earth can they forget that.

If they could use Andrea Swanson to give promotion interviews, that would be so much better than Michael Howe.

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I like Michael Howe, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't radiate the love for Prince the way Andrea Swanson or a Dan Piepenbrign (for instance) did. Just sayin'.

I especially miss the amazement and radiance of Michael Howe, or better, The Estate in general.

What and Who are they more than just archivists ?

As if they just do their job for what is described in the contract, a sort of civil servants bunch.

They certainly don't convey any infectious belief in Prince's legacy.

At least not for me.

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #17 posted 02/18/21 8:50am

RJOrion

jfenster said:

Vannormal said:

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Well, Michael Jackson never ever had good remixers or DJ's doing his legacy imho.

I'm talking about contemporary and timeless artists, producers, remixers, like :

-

Nils Frahm (remixing some slow Prnce jam)

Arca (remixing 'The Beautiful Ones')

Damon Albarn (remixing an uptempo track)

MNEk (remixing some funky track)

The National (remexing ICNTTPOYM)

RedOne (remixing a pop track)

Geoff Barrow (remixing 'Crystal Ball')

David Sitec (redoing any Prince track)

-

Other big and new producers of now :

Major Tom

Andreas Kleerup

Beck

Andrew Weatherall

James Ford

Dj Mustard

Mac Miller

Chuck Inglish

THC

Kendric Lamar

Digi & Phonics

Clams Casino

Juicy J

araabMuzic

Sonny Digital

Harry Fraud

Cardo

Hit-Boy

-

and soooooooo many more.

These are just a small list of the best youngsters and newest producers out there !

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you listed Mac Miller as a "big and new producer of now" LMAO ...Mac Miller died of a drug overdose 3 years ago....

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Reply #18 posted 02/18/21 9:00am

Margot

It seems the Estate is being run by a bank and they have hired intellectual archivists who are articulate but lack the drive and imagination to make so much more of the magic they are sitting on.

There is no one with vision and drive at the wheel to make this happen.

The Elvis Estate was falling apart and in debt when Priscilla Presley finally took the lead. She had to work hard and make difficult decisions to resurrect Graceland. She did a great job.

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Reply #19 posted 02/18/21 9:38am

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Producer Andrew Weatherall has passed away. I would love to hear Moodymann rework a classic Prince tune, I know he has played at Paisley Park before. I liked the Beck Paisley Park session where he did some of his tunes then a Prince medley. I hope that they consider more releases like that, it was fun and didn't affect his legacy.

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Reply #20 posted 02/18/21 9:53am

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RJOrion said:

jfenster said:

Vannormal said:

you listed Mac Miller as a "big and new producer of now" LMAO ...Mac Miller died of a drug overdose 3 years ago....

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True. I did not know that.

Just checked.

But three/four years ago he was an upcoming new talent.

Which is still in 'the now', musically influencial so to speak.

... you wise guy. wink))

Peace.

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #21 posted 02/18/21 9:56am

Vannormal

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StrangeButTrue said:

Producer Andrew Weatherall has passed away. I would love to hear Moodymann rework a classic Prince tune, I know he has played at Paisley Park before. I liked the Beck Paisley Park session where he did some of his tunes then a Prince medley. I hope that they consider more releases like that, it was fun and didn't affect his legacy.

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Exactly what i mean.

And it could be a new and refrecshing approach too.

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Do I actually want remixes by contemporary musical influencers, producers or DJ's ?

Not really, but my aim is simple; try to connect to the current music byers and listeners,

without dissapointing the older and real fans who keep their wallets open for every purple fart available. wink

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Reply #22 posted 02/18/21 10:08am

RJOrion

Vannormal said:

RJOrion said:

you listed Mac Miller as a "big and new producer of now" LMAO ...Mac Miller died of a drug overdose 3 years ago....

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True. I did not know that.

Just checked.

But three/four years ago he was an upcoming new talent.

Which is still in 'the now', musically influencial so to speak.

... you wise guy. wink))

Peace.

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LOL...peace to you and yours too... flower

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Reply #23 posted 02/18/21 12:55pm

lavendardrumma
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BartVanHemelen said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I think part of the issue is the more you release, the more the mythology fades away for some periods of work.

.

Honestly, nobody gives a shit about that. All that mysterious bullshit had already gotten old looong ago, and Prince would have massively benefited from being more open and collaborating on a documentary series like Classic Albums etc. and curating his vault and back catalog.

.


I think the other issue might be that the cost to produce Prince content compared to the returns and the income it's generating, aren't working out.

.

Possible, but you don't solve that by doing more of the same (i.e. SDEs and re-releases) except more expensively and less frequently. Except for a couple of oddly timed interviews with Michael Howe which offer almost no relevant info and which don't seem to promote anything, and some random vinyl re-releases (The Hits 1, a Sheila E album,...) which we often only know about because they pop up on some online store (gotta love that the Estate continues the practise of Prince where official announcement only come days after the news has already leaked).

.

I mean, the SOTT SDE was kind of a clusterfuck, with news emerging about its amount of disks more than a month befpore the announcement and ?uestlove then leaking plenty of its contents in a DJ set. Then it took weeks for an official announcement, and then we had to wait three months (which were luckily partly bridged by an excellent podcast series), and then... nothing. SOTT SDE is released and then shortly afterwards nothing more happens, and now we're mid-Feb and chances are we'll only get some news around 21 April, almost seven months after SOTT SDE was released.

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Like I've said before: considering that the contents of the vault are so massive, and that there's no way they'll ever manage to monetise all of its contents (especially all those live tapes), consider releasing some less interesting bits through less prominent means. Like a website where fans can buy the odd live concert recording. Or release some worthwhile things for RSD, e.g. the actual Camille album.

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Instead there is yet again an ever-growing list of promised projects that we don't get updates on (other than the occasional remark). Where's the Netflix documenatry series? Where's the AppleTV documentary on the Aug83 concert (likely stalled to get released in conjunction with a PR SDE)? Etc.


Well, my point is that the Estate may not understand that we're over the mysterious bullshit.

I think Prince himseld was lifting the curtain to a certain extent, including the biography, and the stripped down shows where he was breaking the fourth wall with insider fans who even knew who "Denise" is, or who knew Purple Music.

But that's neither here nor there, if you're trying to monetize the Prince brand, and you circulate a notable amoung of the vault tracks...and it's not selling compared to the well known material....then there has to be a concern. The unreleased Revolution records weren't all that genius compared to past works. A lot of his outtakes weren't him holding back the good stuff. Even when we do get a few songs that would have been huge favorites at the time, they're not resonating outside of the hardcore fans. So to that extent, the mythology matters. Otherwise the tone begins to turn to "Is that all there is?".

Okay well even if they're mismanaging the releases or disorganized, they're still trying to run a business. They have to weigh the archivist and engineers time to return ratio.

Some of it might be out of their control like the Netflix project, which already changed directors. To really do that, you have to know what's in the archive and have it in a medium that's usable, including upgrading some formats. Doesn't seem like they've done that.

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Reply #24 posted 02/18/21 1:05pm

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Vannormal said:

If the costs and returned income are out of balance, why not communicate with the fans about it?

Because that would be admitting to fans that they're in over their heads.

My guess is that would lead to infighting and lawsuits between the heirs over the choices made or someone trying take control.

But in terms of what they have planned, and putting out more material, chances are they're doing about as much as they can afford to do and/or they think they've been doing just that with the Purple Rain show on youtube during COVID lockdowns, etc. You want more, and we all want more, and getting a schedule would be smart too... but they probably just can't do it or the people they hired are telling them not to. I don't have any inside information, I just rememember Funkenberry talking about giving the Estate his two cents early on, and thinking why is that guy involved at all?

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Reply #25 posted 02/18/21 1:14pm

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Vannormal said:

djdaffy1227 said:


NO, NO, NO. I remember how awful the Michael Jackson album was where they remixed his songs featuring some of the days top stars. I do not want anybody remixing anything they release. Just my two cents.

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Well, Michael Jackson never ever had good remixers or DJ's doing his legacy imho.

I'm talking about contemporary and timeless artists, producers, remixers, like :

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Nils Frahm (remixing some slow Prnce jam)

Arca (remixing 'The Beautiful Ones')

Damon Albarn (remixing an uptempo track)

MNEk (remixing some funky track)

The National (remexing ICNTTPOYM)

RedOne (remixing a pop track)

Geoff Barrow (remixing 'Crystal Ball')

David Sitec (redoing any Prince track)

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Other big and new producers of now :

Major Tom

Andreas Kleerup

Beck

Andrew Weatherall

James Ford

Dj Mustard

Mac Miller

Chuck Inglish

THC

Kendric Lamar

Digi & Phonics

Clams Casino

Juicy J

araabMuzic

Sonny Digital

Harry Fraud

Cardo

Hit-Boy

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and soooooooo many more.

These are just a small list of the best youngsters and newest producers out there !

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HELL NO! mad

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #26 posted 02/18/21 2:01pm

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vannormal also said:

AraabMUZIK..

one of my favorite hiphop beatmakers EVER...AraabMUZIK is a BEAST making hardcore hiphop beats and EDM instrumentals on his MPC...but im not sure if a good portion of P's fanbase is ready for that sound from Prince... especially considering how much Josh Weltons work gets hated on... those people that hate Josh's work would REALLY have a problem with Prince's music sounding like Cam'ron & The Diplomats, or Busta Rhymes...those are the main artists that AraabMUZIK did the beats and production for...but it was cool to see his name on your list...
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Reply #27 posted 02/18/21 2:07pm

RJOrion

araabMuzik playing one of his beats on IG

https://www.youtube.com/w...myuv4I-Gkg

id love to hear Prince on a track like that...but thats me, and mine cool

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Reply #28 posted 02/20/21 11:02am

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Seriously some transparency would be nice . The man is gone, no need for mystery anymore we just want the music.
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Reply #29 posted 02/20/21 12:39pm

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Farfunknugin said:

Seriously some transparency would be nice . The man is gone, no need for mystery anymore we just want the music.

yeahthat

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