RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

Growing up in Minnesota, the man was not exposed to hiphop...then when he was exposed to it, he didnt respect it... then when he tried to catch up, he didnt know how to successfully incorporate it into what he was already doing...im not sure why that easy concept is so hard to follow or understand? or why its even up for debate...Prince and his ex bandmates and co-workers have discussed this ad nauseum in various interviews and podcasts and books

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Both you and Bart Vanhemelen are absolutely right.

I guess that Bart hit a nail there,

by saying that Prince wanted someone who would follow his directions.

If he went with the best rappers at the time, he would've come over as rediculous imho.

HE always wanted to be on top of any mmusical game.

And miscalculated that.

''Dead on it'' and after that local rappers with mediocre talent (under Prince's guide).

Even later on with Moonie Love, i felt it went mèh.

And Tevin Campbell... rappin', really ?

And to be honest, Carmen Electra rappin'... oh my.

imho of course.

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RJOrion said:

So for those who have heard my edits, thoughts? I went all out as much as possible with what I had in front of me. I'm not totally happy about "Willing and Able," but it is what it is. I'm more proud of stuff like "The Max," "Gett Off," and just taking him off the ends of "Sexy MF," "My Name is Prince," out of "The Flow," and even snipping his ass out of "The Sacrifice of Victor" and "Daddy Pop." If I could've taken him more out of "Push," I would've.

next on my agenda: find a way to edit even more tony m into diamonds and pearls and symbol

lustmealways said:

lustmealways said:

next on my agenda: find a way to edit even more tony m into diamonds and pearls and symbol

Hateful!

MarshallStacks said:

OperatingThetan said:

MarshallStacks said:

Can’t believe no one’s mentioned Tony’s finest hour - the Goldnigga album. Some nice stuff there and the original NPG be’s on fire ...

Goldnigga is a damn good album. Very underrated here. The production is particularly excellent. I would've loved to have heard Prince embrace a full album in that style and sound with the original NPG. I was listening to the Cabaret Metro show from 93 the other day and it is crazy. The funkiest renditions of 'Come' and 'Gett Off' I've ever heard. What a band... * [Edited 2/25/21 17:13pm]

Thanks for the tip, found it online and really enjoyed it, so funky!

OperatingThetan said:

MarshallStacks said:

Can’t believe no one’s mentioned Tony’s finest hour - the Goldnigga album. Some nice stuff there and the original NPG be’s on fire ...

Goldnigga is a damn good album. Very underrated here. The production is particularly excellent. I would've loved to have heard Prince embrace a full album in that style and sound with the original NPG. I was listening to the Cabaret Metro show from 93 the other day and it is crazy. The funkiest renditions of 'Come' and 'Gett Off' I've ever heard. What a band... * [Edited 2/25/21 17:13pm]

Although very similar I think the DNA Lounge version just pips it.

TrivialPursuit said:

So for those who have heard my edits, thoughts? I went all out as much as possible with what I had in front of me. I'm not totally happy about "Willing and Able," but it is what it is. I'm more proud of stuff like "The Max," "Gett Off," and just taking him off the ends of "Sexy MF," "My Name is Prince," out of "The Flow," and even snipping his ass out of "The Sacrifice of Victor" and "Daddy Pop." If I could've taken him more out of "Push," I would've.

theyre def well done.

thanks for sharing.

though as i said, i dont mind tony with a line here and there like on get off, the max, love to the 9s. he does a good job there.

hes just doing backing vocals, and on gett off, i like the contrast between him, prince and rosie's voices. it works. taking them out makes me feel like somethings missing.

the only tracks i really dont like him on are on D&P - love for love, daddy pop, willing and able.

on the symbol album, as MNIP and sexy mf are basically raps anyway, it doesnt matter that much that hes on the end of each.

RJOrion said:

RODSERLING said:

I always liked Tony M rap. What s wrong with it ? He s not worst than any american black rapper in the world ( I consider MC Solaar, Beastie Boyz and Eminem above the others).

WTF

MC Solaar was some French African guy, who rapped in French with some song called Le Nouveau Western or something like that. He probably did more but its hard to get into music in a language I did not understand or speak.

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Tony M was an awful rapper then and now, his rapping is overly bombastic and comes on in the middle of many songs on D and P and Symbol like an unwelcome news bulletin or loud ass ad for a loan shark or an annoying electric goods store called Harvey Norman we have here.

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Tony was loud and bombastic, yet his flow was weak and inauthentic sounding - he was talking loud and saying nothing. Prince was a genius in lots of things and making great music - but his choices for rapping were terrible, between Tony and Scrappa Doo (Or whatever the fuck that clown was called), some of the worst music ever was made.

Purplegarden said:

tab32792 said:

Genesia said:

That is exactly my problem with it - and with much of Prince's 90s catalog, in general. It sounds "of its time" - which is not something he concerned himself with prior to that.

You really think When Doves cry doesn't sound 80's? lol None of that stuff sounds "new" and that's ok.

No. I don't. And if it sounds 80s to you, I would contend that it's because of what came after (i.e. Prince's influence on the music world at large). Or because you don't have the frame of reference of having been around when it was released. (Which, if you put your real age on your profile, you weren't.)

TONY M the best rapper Prince ever had in the 90s

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haveaglamslam said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol Let's face it, the only rappers prince should have worked with are more delicate rappers Guys like PM dawn, digable planets or dream warriors, etc. Most rappers sound too macho to mix well with the prince sound

PM Dawn on a Prince song...YES! They already did a great little cover of "1999" on Jesus Wept, as part of a larger medley.

RIP Prince Be.

AS stated before

the best rapper is white EMINEM

THE BEST GOLFER is Black TIGER WOODS

funkman88 said:

AS stated before

the best rapper is white EMINEM

THE BEST GOLFER is Black TIGER WOODS

As far as I know the best rapper of all time is Rakim and he;s black

JorisE73 said:

funkman88 said:

AS stated before

the best rapper is white EMINEM

THE BEST GOLFER is Black TIGER WOODS

As far as I know the best rapper of all time is Rakim and he;s black

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LOL

Could nto agree more.

But hey, everyone his own little hysteria.

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there is no best rapper of all time.

its not biggie, or 2pac, or rakim.

funkman88 said:

id love a current podcast with tony, gameboyz, and then one with all the rappers prince worked with too, to get their thoughts on princes dabbling in rap too.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

id love a current podcast with tony, gameboyz, and then one with all the rappers prince worked with too, to get their thoughts on princes dabbling in rap too.

I woiuld love to hear some full accounts from the cast and rappers of when he visited the Krush Groove set and what he thought of that.

theres nothing actually wrong with a guy like prince not liking or really 'getting' hip hop.

many artists of the soul and funk generation didnt.

its a shame he didnt 'own' that though.

RODSERLING said:

haveaglamslam said:

What the hell did I just read??

The truth

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There are no 'truths' in tase.

Beat that.

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