lurker316 said:

It would be nice if at some point the estate released a set of vault tracks that didn't make it only any of the Super Deluxe Editions. A mop up, so to speak. It wouldn't need a theme (like Originals). It could just be: "Songs we left off other sets because there wasn't enought room".

I realize some songs they left off intentionally and unfortunatley aren't likely to make it on to a new set (such as the original Extralovable or Lust U Always because of their lyrics... and maybe stuff from the '98 Crystal Ball because it had recieved an official release).

But I assume other songs like Data Bank and Girl of My Dreams were excluded from the SDE merely because tough choices had to be made to keep the size of the sets reasonable. I'd like a "From the Vault" set that includes stuff like that.

[Edited 10/3/20 10:08am]

We're in a time of extreme political sensitivity regarding the topics of sexual abuse, but do not assume it'll last forever: society changes its focus as time goes (and as things improve, too, hopefully).

It's very likely that in 10 or 15 years, Extra Loveable and Lust U Always can be released and go totally unnoticed.

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As for the mi-80's material from CB98 it goes without saying that the exact same songs aren't going to be rereleased as such on a compilation of unreleased material since they are, precisely, not unreleased, but most of these songs exist in alternate form (several of which we have on bootlegs), so it's likely these alt. mixes will be released at some point or another.

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In both case, the point being we need to live old, very old. So quit drinks, drugs, sugar and salt NOW!!

databank said:

lurker316 said:

It would be nice if at some point the estate released a set of vault tracks that didn't make it only any of the Super Deluxe Editions. A mop up, so to speak. It wouldn't need a theme (like Originals). It could just be: "Songs we left off other sets because there wasn't enought room".

I realize some songs they left off intentionally and unfortunatley aren't likely to make it on to a new set (such as the original Extralovable or Lust U Always because of their lyrics... and maybe stuff from the '98 Crystal Ball because it had recieved an official release).

But I assume other songs like Data Bank and Girl of My Dreams were excluded from the SDE merely because tough choices had to be made to keep the size of the sets reasonable. I'd like a "From the Vault" set that includes stuff like that.

[Edited 10/3/20 10:08am]

We're in a time of extreme political sensitivity regarding the topics of sexual abuse, but do not assume it'll last forever: society changes its focus as time goes (and as things improve, too, hopefully).

It's very likely that in 10 or 15 years, Extra Loveable and Lust U Always can be released and go totally unnoticed.

.

As for the mi-80's material from CB98 it goes without saying that the exact same songs aren't going to be rereleased as such on a compilation of unreleased material since they are, precisely, not unreleased, but most of these songs exist in alternate form (several of which we have on bootlegs), so it's likely these alt. mixes will be released at some point or another.

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In both case, the point being we need to live old, very old. So quit drinks, drugs, sugar and salt NOW!!

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And don't forget: exercise (a lot), sleep well, do intermittent fasting, eat mostly vegetables, and, if you have the money, take NMN and resveratrol. #RayKurzweil #DavidSinclair

olb99 said:

databank said:

olb99 said:

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And don't forget: exercise (a lot), sleep well, do intermittent fasting, eat mostly vegetables, and, if you have the money, take NMN and resveratrol. #RayKurzweil #DavidSinclair

Well I'm really counting on them Silicon Valley guys because I'm doing waaaay too much drugs

Now I don't know if I must laugh or be worried about you.

olb99 said:

The song I'm most upset about being omitted is Databank. That is one of my all time favorites.

I can't see how it didn't make the cut. They know it's a fan favorite. Unless they're holding it back for an Originals Volume 2 or a Graffiti Bridge SDE. But I'm skeptical either of those will come to pass.

While Graffiti Bridge has its devoted fans, as does each of Prince's albums, it was not a commericial or critical success; even those hardcore fans who do like won't have it at the top of their wishlists.

With respect to an Originals Vol. 2, I do think hardcore fans would welcome it, but I don't think there are many (any?) songs left that would be recognizable to the masses. I assume the estate would want at least one or two songs on it that a casual fan would say, "Hey, I know that song!"

I guess the other possibility is that the master tapes for Databank were in bad shape and they didn't think they could produce a viable remaster... but that would surprise me.

Bottom line, the bootleg version I have is pretty good quality, so it's not the end of the world. But I would love to have a perfect copy of Databank.

kek21 said:

Why wasn't the complete version of ICNTTPOYM released? I would have figured it would be a no-brainer am i missing something?

I have a bootleg version that's has a longer intro with him saying "You know and I know...". Is that what you're referring to? To me, it sounds not only longer but a different mix. It's more dancy. It was labeled "Extended Remix" on the bootleg disc, but I usually ignore the names given to songs on bootlegs because they're so often wrong.

Katrina's Paper Dolls
Make U Mine
Rearrange
Adore (A 14 minute overdubbed rehearsal take, like he did for the I Would DIe 4 U 12 inch)

Samples of '86 or '87 versions of these tracks have been shared with some recently and the Adore version was shared last year to some. (I didn't get a exact date, only that these were mentioned in a write up on the SOTT SDE as being notable ommisions, given the illogical tracklistings for the set and inclusion of tracks that shouldn't have been on there, according to the person who did the write up, sadly I still don;t have it but the person who did read it mentioned these tracks among other known tracks that should have been on there)
Would have been cool to have these on the SDE instead of a shitty Shep Pettibone filler track, but maybe (except for Adore) these will be on a Parade SDE.

[Edited 10/13/20 3:12am]

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

Would have been cool to have these on the SDE instead of a shitty Shep Pettibone filler track, but maybe (except for Adore) these will be on a Parade SDE.

Yeah, I think that's the most obvious thing to cut to make room for more vault material. It's someone else manipulating Prince's work in a way that he must have cared for.

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

Katrina's Paper Dolls
Make U Mine
Rearrange
Adore (A 14 minute overdubbed rehearsal take, like he did for the I Would DIe 4 U 12 inch)

Samples of '86 or '87 of these tracks have been shared with some recently and the Adore version was shared last year to some.

Yeah, i was like that to when I read my email

databank said:

TrivialPursuit said:

joyinrepetition said:

I would have liked the two versions of The Sex Of It and Baby Go-Go. Those are probably slated for another Originals if ever released.

Well, "The Sex of It" was written in the middle of 1987, months after SOTT was released. So it belongs more on Lovesexy. In fact, isn't it some of the Lovesexy rehearsals that we heard him teaching the band the song? (Same with "Baby Go Go" on another boot.)

"Baby Go Go" does date to 1986, and seems like an obvious choice. It's also odd that this was sort of a one-off song in some ways. Prince hadn't recorded for days before that, and didn't again for 3 or 4 days after (where he blew out "Data Bank" and "Can't Stop" in the same session on 17Jun1986). DMSR notes it as him "dropping by Sunset Sound" and recording "Baby Go-Go" in a five-hour session. It wasn't necessarily part of any other block of time doing recording. (The Parade Tour was still happening, too).

So while it doesn't seem to have that SOTT sessions synergy, it's certainly from that period in 1986.

We can also add "AND HOW" to that list as it was recorded the same session as "POWER FANTASTIC". For me that is the most important track I hope to see on a next edition of ORIGINALS as we do not have any version besides the 1990 remake by Jevette Steele available and have never heard how Prince originally did it. It has never leaked and is my top pick for ORIGINALS VOL. 2

bucktown said:

I'm honestly the most surprised that Eggplant with Wendy's vocals wasn't included, since the version with Prince's vocals was part of it AND they included Lisa's A Place in Heaven in addition to Prince's version. Wendy's version even seems like the more complete, final track. I can't see this popping up on another set either, unlike some other tracks potentially missing. If not here, when? I hope it's not locked up forever. Really strange. (This also goes for Sheila E.'s vocals version of Love and Sex, since the other one is on there.)

The others from SoTT era that I was suprised were missing from the SDE were

Girl O' My Dreams

Data Bank

Can't Stop This Feeling

We Can Funk

Yah, U Know (86 version)

These were recorded smack in the middle of all the other tracks on this release. Why were they missing especially since Soul Psychodelicide was included, being a similar vibe? They arguably could be part of some later Graffiti Bridge release, but they would have seem better placed here, given that they're mostly full Revolution backed tracks. I hope they get a proper release sooner rather than later.

I'm also suprised we didn't get a remastered B-side set release version of Power Fantastic. Same goes for Feel U Up along with the (Long Stroke) version. Maybe on a future Batman release?

Tracks around this mid-Revolution era that I really hope we get on a Parade or ATWIAD SDE release:

Splash

Empty Room

Neon Telephone

Go

Come Elektra Tuesday

Old Friends 4 Sale (original 85 recording both with and without orchestration)

Alexa de Paris

Heaven

Others Here With Us

Plus remastered versions of Girl, Hello, 4 the Tears in Your Eyes

Those songs should have been included in this box set

MIRvmn said:

U got the look (Banjo version) Adore (20 min version) Jealous Girl (Version 1) Data Bank 101

HOW could they leave out the banjo version??? Amateurs...

masaba said:

Y'all know there is a 86/87 version of Lust U Always floating in the vault (Iron Mountain) somewhere. The original was reworked for Robert Palmer in 86/87 and was eventually turned down by him. I'd like to hear that version.

JorisE73 said:

Katrina's Paper Dolls
Make U Mine
Rearrange
Adore (A 14 minute overdubbed rehearsal take, like he did for the I Would DIe 4 U 12 inch)

Samples of '86 or '87 versions of these tracks have been shared with some recently and the Adore version was shared last year to some. (I didn't get a exact date, only that these were mentioned in a write up on the SOTT SDE as being notable ommisions, given the illogical tracklistings for the set and inclusion of tracks that shouldn't have been on there, according to the person who did the write up, sadly I still don;t have it but the person who did read it mentioned these tracks among other known tracks that should have been on there)
Would have been cool to have these on the SDE instead of a shitty Shep Pettibone filler track, but maybe (except for Adore) these will be on a Parade SDE.

[Edited 10/13/20 3:12am]

JorisE73 said:

MIRvmn said:

JorisE73 said:

Katrina's Paper Dolls
Make U Mine
Rearrange
Adore (A 14 minute overdubbed rehearsal take, like he did for the I Would DIe 4 U 12 inch)

Samples of '86 or '87 versions of these tracks have been shared with some recently and the Adore version was shared last year to some. (I didn't get a exact date, only that these were mentioned in a write up on the SOTT SDE as being notable ommisions, given the illogical tracklistings for the set and inclusion of tracks that shouldn't have been on there, according to the person who did the write up, sadly I still don;t have it but the person who did read it mentioned these tracks among other known tracks that should have been on there)
Would have been cool to have these on the SDE instead of a shitty Shep Pettibone filler track, but maybe (except for Adore) these will be on a Parade SDE.

[Edited 10/13/20 3:12am]

The 14 min version of Adore must be the long version that many assumed was around 20 min. So it does exist, it's beyond me that they didn't include it. I agree, it make no sense to include the Shep Pettibone track instead of some other interesting songs. [Edited 10/16/20 20:07pm]

I thought the estate publically said that haven't found a long version of Adore as of yet.

kewlschool said:

I thought the estate publically said that haven't found a long version of Adore as of yet.

the estate has also gone on record as saying that dogs see out of their tails and trees can talk so i would take anything they say with a spoonful of salt.

this joke was perhaps a reach but i went for it anyway. my point is that they don't know how to do anything but contradict reality so i wouldn't be surprised if they've done that here too.

playtime92 said:

lustmealways said:

kewlschool said:

I thought the estate publically said that haven't found a long version of Adore as of yet.

the estate has also gone on record as saying that dogs see out of their tails and trees can talk so i would take anything they say with a spoonful of salt.

this joke was perhaps a reach but i went for it anyway. my point is that they don't know how to do anything but contradict reality so i wouldn't be surprised if they've done that here too.

This was specifically asked when they were choosing songs. it was something they actively looked for and wanted to find. Now they think it doesn't exist.

kewlschool said:

lustmealways said:

the estate has also gone on record as saying that dogs see out of their tails and trees can talk so i would take anything they say with a spoonful of salt.

this joke was perhaps a reach but i went for it anyway. my point is that they don't know how to do anything but contradict reality so i wouldn't be surprised if they've done that here too.

This was specifically asked when they were choosing songs. it was something they actively looked for and wanted to find. Now they think it doesn't exist.

It is hard to imagine there aren't any edits to the song whatsoever, and the multitrack would have to contain alternate takes or parts that went unused in the mix.

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