i won't be able to go to sleep tonight unless i know what number23 thinks about Strange Relationship (Shep Pettibone Remix 1987)

I'm getting reports that Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Club Mix) [2020 Remaster] was so gobsmackingly good and life-changing that, upon hearing the track, Number23 fainted in a display of sheer amazement and ecstasy, thus leaving him unable to give a proper review.

where is the rest????????????

JoeyCococo said:

where is the rest????????????

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"where is the rest????????????"

...In Number23's mind.

Impatient stans ! ))))))

Give the guy a well deserved break

Still 8 days before it all hits us.

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Number23 said:

Apologies folks, will get the rest up when I get some time. Had a few work-related things to write up last night, org reviews unfortunately don’t pay the bills. The set might even leak today and, finally, this thread can sink like a stone. I see a few questions about the Shep remix - it’s good, but not vital, doesn’t reinvent the song or anything. He brings out a few buried vocal elements that are interesting, production is huge and pounding, like you’d expect - definitely club-ready for 1987, has Shep trademarks all over it. But it does sounds like 1987 - a few dated house effects that even the Art of Noise would have found a bit garish. It’s pleasant enough, my head was bobbing, my lips pursed, chin jutted. It, thankfully, plays to the strengths of the chorus - but there’s at least 15 original songs from this era that could have taken its place. And no doubt there’s many more in the Vault that we don’t know about. Maybe saving them for the Super Duper Deluxe Deluxe edition in 2027. This seems superfluous, but it’s a nice way to go out I guess - on a big upbeat vibe with that killer, twisted chorus to the fore and The tune’s grinding, repetitive outro groove accentuated by Shep. He understands the song but, well, it’s not Prince’s vision is it?

Is that a guess or are you hearing whispers?

Number23 said:

Apologies folks, will get the rest up when I get some time. Had a few work-related things to write up last night, org reviews unfortunately don’t pay the bills. (...)

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Again, I bow !

Great wrintings !!

Just humble thanks for letting us hear the music through words without sound.

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I even printed them, so I can later on put 'm next with the releases liner notes.

I will listen to the entire set,

and then again with your reviewed opinion next to it.

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You're the best (Prince) review writer I read so far.

Don't be stingy on the words - let it all go with that flow,

no matter what others here might say.

You got your own audience now.

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T-shirts with "I (heart) N°23 P-Reviews" will be up next... lol

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SquirrelMeat said:

Number23 said:

Apologies folks, will get the rest up when I get some time. Had a few work-related things to write up last night, org reviews unfortunately don’t pay the bills. The set might even leak today and, finally, this thread can sink like a stone. I see a few questions about the Shep remix - it’s good, but not vital, doesn’t reinvent the song or anything. He brings out a few buried vocal elements that are interesting, production is huge and pounding, like you’d expect - definitely club-ready for 1987, has Shep trademarks all over it. But it does sounds like 1987 - a few dated house effects that even the Art of Noise would have found a bit garish. It’s pleasant enough, my head was bobbing, my lips pursed, chin jutted. It, thankfully, plays to the strengths of the chorus - but there’s at least 15 original songs from this era that could have taken its place. And no doubt there’s many more in the Vault that we don’t know about. Maybe saving them for the Super Duper Deluxe Deluxe edition in 2027. This seems superfluous, but it’s a nice way to go out I guess - on a big upbeat vibe with that killer, twisted chorus to the fore and The tune’s grinding, repetitive outro groove accentuated by Shep. He understands the song but, well, it’s not Prince’s vision is it?

Is that a guess or are you hearing whispers?

It's friday and a lot of the shops get the neew releases today.

I just called my local shop where I ordered mine but they didn't get it today sbut they're certain it'll be in the next delivery next tueday, so i'll have it then the 22nd.

JorisE73 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Is that a guess or are you hearing whispers?

It's friday and a lot of the shops get the neew releases today.

I just called my local shop where I ordered mine but they didn't get it today sbut they're certain it'll be in the next delivery next tueday, so i'll have it then the 22nd.

Thanks.

That explains why we got access to the 1999 SDE downloads the Friday before.

Vannormal said:

Number23 said:

Apologies folks, will get the rest up when I get some time. Had a few work-related things to write up last night, org reviews unfortunately don’t pay the bills. (...)

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Again, I bow !

Great wrintings !!

Just humble thanks for letting us hear the music through words without sound.

-

I even printed them, so I can later on put 'm next with the releases liner notes.

I will listen to the entire set,

and then again with your reviewed opinion next to it.

-

You're the best (Prince) review writer I read so far.

Don't be stingy on the words - let it all go with that flow,

no matter what others here might say.

You got your own audience now.

-

T-shirts with "I (heart) N°23 P-Reviews" will be up next... lol

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It's neversin's analysis that deserves to go in the book's linear notes, mine is really just flowery exposition and subjective personal opinion. Neversin knows if this release is truly comprehensive for the era or simply another cash-in - he's the real deal. I just got lucky with Warners this time around. Shame that NS has had his fingers burned so many times here, being accused of lyring, making facts up - it's not that he demands reverence for his knowledge, he just feels he's earned the right not to be challenged on what he knows to be fact. He told he's written up extensive analysis but doesn't want to put it out in public. Some might see it as a tease, but I get it. Still doesn't mean I'm not begging him to read it lol.

SquirrelMeat said:

JorisE73 said:

It's friday and a lot of the shops get the neew releases today.

I just called my local shop where I ordered mine but they didn't get it today sbut they're certain it'll be in the next delivery next tueday, so i'll have it then the 22nd.

Thanks.

That explains why we got access to the 1999 SDE downloads the Friday before.

Yeah, it'll arrive physically in some record stores today - be surprised if everyone here hasn't heard it by Sunday.

Number23 said:

Vannormal said:

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Again, I bow !

Great wrintings !!

Just humble thanks for letting us hear the music through words without sound.

-

I even printed them, so I can later on put 'm next with the releases liner notes.

I will listen to the entire set,

and then again with your reviewed opinion next to it.

-

You're the best (Prince) review writer I read so far.

Don't be stingy on the words - let it all go with that flow,

no matter what others here might say.

You got your own audience now.

-

T-shirts with "I (heart) N°23 P-Reviews" will be up next... lol

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It's neversin's analysis that deserves to go in the book's linear notes, mine is really just flowery exposition and subjective personal opinion. Neversin knows if this release is truly comprehensive for the era or simply another cash-in - he's the real deal. I just got lucky with Warners this time around. Shame that NS has had his fingers burned so many times here, being accused of lyring, making facts up - it's not that he demands reverence for his knowledge, he just feels he's earned the right not to be challenged on what he knows to be fact. He told he's written up extensive analysis but doesn't want to put it out in public. Some might see it as a tease, but I get it. Still doesn't mean I'm not begging him to read it lol.

It's really sad isn't it. Some who hav read his 1999 SDE and months ago his SOTT SDE writeup say it's a eye opener regarding the sessions and the tracks not on there. I NEED TO READ THIS STUFF!!!
I and many others have pleaded with him to share it in public groups but he explained somewhere else why he doesn't and it makes sense. To him it's an uphill battle getting proper and comprehensive releases from the Estate especially when the fans also attack him for doing that.
First he got attacked for spreading info and now he get attacked for not spreading info actually not funny but somehow it is.
Ignorance is bliss reagarding these releases is what he said.. So the less we know about the contents the more we'll enjoy it for what it is. And he has a point there.

Number23 said:

It's neversin's analysis that deserves to go in the book's linear notes, mine is really just flowery exposition and subjective personal opinion. Neversin knows if this release is truly comprehensive for the era or simply another cash-in - he's the real deal. I just got lucky with Warners this time around. Shame that NS has had his fingers burned so many times here, being accused of lyring, making facts up - it's not that he demands reverence for his knowledge, he just feels he's earned the right not to be challenged on what he knows to be fact. He told he's written up extensive analysis but doesn't want to put it out in public. Some might see it as a tease, but I get it. Still doesn't mean I'm not begging him to read it lol.

I disagree. Not about Neversin as such (I've been around since year zero, so I know who has in-depth knowledge and access to certain matertial- if he wrote a book I'd buy it in a second), but about a danger of one version of the truth becoming treated as fact and that version being cast in stone.

Whether we go back to the Pers research, the Prince Vault data, Duane's work or post 2016 relevations from people who were in the room, rarely do they completely match up.

'Facts' normally solidifiy when several sources (usually 3 in the science world) varify the same result. We can see from the SDE releases that previous 'facts' about certain material was wrong in some cases.

I'm certainly not saying we should trust the estate either, but whatever the source is, if someone feels they've earned the right not to be challenged without providing evidence, they aren't going to be fully respected; be it a Neversin or Boris, or a Wendy and Lisa.

As its been pointed out on here before, Prince is dead. Thre is no reason not to share information. A version of a song which originated from a band member or engineers cassette does not invalidate an alternative 'tweeked' version on an SDE, as long as we can reference what and why the tweeked version exists. Someone digitising the vault now is more likely to be able to provide better reference material than a band member recollecting a recording session 35 years ago....in SOME cases.

Ultimately, building on your new 'Prince' thread, the only thing that will keep things in check is a posotive, active and informed fan base. If the smoke and mirrors approach continues with both the 'elite' collectors and the estate, then the studio legacy will never be solidified.

SquirrelMeat said:

Number23 said:

It's neversin's analysis that deserves to go in the book's linear notes, mine is really just flowery exposition and subjective personal opinion. Neversin knows if this release is truly comprehensive for the era or simply another cash-in - he's the real deal. I just got lucky with Warners this time around. Shame that NS has had his fingers burned so many times here, being accused of lyring, making facts up - it's not that he demands reverence for his knowledge, he just feels he's earned the right not to be challenged on what he knows to be fact. He told he's written up extensive analysis but doesn't want to put it out in public. Some might see it as a tease, but I get it. Still doesn't mean I'm not begging him to read it lol.

I disagree. Not about Neversin as such (I've been around since year zero, so I know who has in-depth knowledge and access to certain matertial- if he wrote a book I'd buy it in a second), but about a danger of one version of the truth becoming treated as fact and that version being cast in stone.

Whether we go back to the Pers research, the Prince Vault data, Duane's work or post 2016 relevations from people who were in the room, rarely do they completely match up.

'Facts' normally solidifiy when several sources (usually 3 in the science world) varify the same result. We can see from the SDE releases that previous 'facts' about certain material was wrong in some cases.

I'm certainly not saying we should trust the estate either, but whatever the source is, if someone feels they've earned the right not to be challenged without providing evidence, they aren't going to be fully respected; be it a Neversin or Boris, or a Wendy and Lisa.

As its been pointed out on here before, Prince is dead. Thre is no reason not to share information. A version of a song which originated from a band member or engineers cassette does not invalidate an alternative 'tweeked' version on an SDE, as long as we can reference what and why the tweeked version exists. Someone digitising the vault now is more likely to be able to provide better reference material than a band member recollecting a recording session 35 years ago....in SOME cases.

Ultimately, building on your new 'Prince' thread, the only thing that will keep things in check is a posotive, active and informed fan base. If the smoke and mirrors approach continues with both the 'elite' collectors and the estate, then the studio legacy will never be solidified.

I agree with this. I think the Estate should be more transparent and and open up more so fans who have additional info can provide that if they don't have it.Or the Estate could just explain why they left off specific things that are adressed in qiuestions of fans.
I don;t think Neversin would even want to be a source for liner notes. He said he would love to see all the info the Estate has to compare things he's missing and I think the opposite would also be only positive for all of us to get the complete picture but over the years it has become clear that there is no interest in this from the Estate.

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

It's really sad isn't it. Some who hav read his 1999 SDE and months ago his SOTT SDE writeup say it's a eye opener regarding the sessions and the tracks not on there. I NEED TO READ THIS STUFF!!!
I and many others have pleaded with him to share it in public groups but he explained somewhere else why he doesn't and it makes sense. To him it's an uphill battle getting proper and comprehensive releases from the Estate especially when the fans also attack him for doing that.
First he got attacked for spreading info and now he get attacked for not spreading info actually not funny but somehow it is.
Ignorance is bliss reagarding these releases is what he said.. So the less we know about the contents the more we'll enjoy it for what it is. And he has a point there.

Do you think it has something to do with the fact that he's an asshole 98% of the time? If you follow your facts up with an insult, the herd isn't gonna take kindly to it.

True, but i've seen this guy change over the last 25 years of his posts.
He's become bitter and yes an asshole but given most of the fans way of treating people like him I honestly can't blame him. Plus he's definitly not like this in other places.

[Edited 9/18/20 5:21am]

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said: Do you think it has something to do with the fact that he's an asshole 98% of the time? If you follow your facts up with an insult, the herd isn't gonna take kindly to it.

True, but i've seen this guy change over the last 25 years of his posts.
He's become bitter and yes an asshole but given most of the fans way of treating people like him I honestly can't blame him. Plus he's definitly not like this in other places.

[Edited 9/18/20 5:21am]

25 years is a full grown adult! Platforms change in that time, so I cannot understand why he'd hold a grudge against people that have nothing to do with why he was made to be upset.

I also find "you lot" comments and shit like that to be really petulant. Bert does that too. What the hell does "you lot" mean - that we're all somehow the same? Neither Bert nor NS are American - so do they mean the American fans are dumb? New fans? Old fans? Any fans? Fans that aren't their friends? No clue.

I also have no doubt the other platforms get a friendlier NS. That 2% where he's not an asshole is really cool.

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

True, but i've seen this guy change over the last 25 years of his posts.
He's become bitter and yes an asshole but given most of the fans way of treating people like him I honestly can't blame him. Plus he's definitly not like this in other places.

[Edited 9/18/20 5:21am]

25 years is a full grown adult! Platforms change in that time, so I cannot understand why he'd hold a grudge against people that have nothing to do with why he was made to be upset.

I also find "you lot" comments and shit like that to be really petulant. Bert does that too. What the hell does "you lot" mean - that we're all somehow the same? Neither Bert nor NS are American - so do they mean the American fans are dumb? New fans? Old fans? Any fans? Fans that aren't their friends? No clue.

I also have no doubt the other platforms get a friendlier NS. That 2% where he's not an asshole is really cool.

I came online in 1994 and immediatly went looking for Prince fans lol and on a lot of old newsgroups, BBS boards and later websites he was on.
Always informing and just discussing cool shit. Then the websites came and all went downhill after that instead of discussing things people started attacking and demanding things. He eventually was said to have left to the 'uncharted' parts of the internet only to sporadically show up at the regular sites. Now since a couple of weeks i've seen him on groups where he seems more relaxed and cool.

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

25 years is a full grown adult! Platforms change in that time, so I cannot understand why he'd hold a grudge against people that have nothing to do with why he was made to be upset.

I also find "you lot" comments and shit like that to be really petulant. Bert does that too. What the hell does "you lot" mean - that we're all somehow the same? Neither Bert nor NS are American - so do they mean the American fans are dumb? New fans? Old fans? Any fans? Fans that aren't their friends? No clue.

I also have no doubt the other platforms get a friendlier NS. That 2% where he's not an asshole is really cool.

I came online in 1994 and immediatly went looking for Prince fans lol and on a lot of old newsgroups, BBS boards and later websites he was on.
Always informing and just discussing cool shit. Then the websites came and all went downhill after that instead of discussing things people started attacking and demanding things. He eventually was said to have left to the 'uncharted' parts of the internet only to sporadically show up at the regular sites. Now since a couple of weeks i've seen him on groups where he seems more relaxed and cool.

This is right ....he is informative & interresting , of course iam a fan and i'd like to see unreleased stuff he heard for free everywhere if this was possible , but as a fan too ...i thank him only for his knowledge that sometimes he is agree with himself to share (just a small part).....this is very informative but because of some assholes here thru the years ...i can understand his defensive behaviour (IMO of course)& his desire to see elsewhere than this place....but keep quiet.....u have a violet reality knowledge here who will inundate you with his knowledge, I am sure that many will appreciate!

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jeffreymiller said:

Number 23, great stuff! Your reviews and the podcasts are helping drag us closer to the finish line!

Podcasts?? Pls tell me where I can find these?

JoeyCococo said:

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

parker said:

I don’t think that’s true. Duane Tudahl has been part of both SDEs, and in one of the latest podcasts, has the title of Official Prince Archivist, or something along those lines, when he’s introduced. He goes on to say WE presented the material in chronological order...so he’s being consulted for liner notes, track lists, etc. I think the estate and Howe knows the fans are very informed, and have information they may not, or know better than them how everything should fit together.

if he thought anything of us he wouldn't have tried to say that we can sequence Dream Factory/Camille/Crystal Ball on Spotify with the release of this set, because that's 110 percent false. A whole song is missing from streaming services, and that's not even getting into all the various nuances that make those album configs albums in the first place like different mixes, which versions, etc.

I am upset.

parker said:

JorisE73 said:

I agree with this. I think the Estate should be more transparent and and open up more so fans who have additional info can provide that if they don't have it.Or the Estate could just explain why they left off specific things that are adressed in qiuestions of fans.
I don;t think Neversin would even want to be a source for liner notes. He said he would love to see all the info the Estate has to compare things he's missing and I think the opposite would also be only positive for all of us to get the complete picture but over the years it has become clear that there is no interest in this from the Estate.

I don’t think that’s true. Duane Tudahl has been part of both SDEs, and in one of the latest podcasts, has the title of Official Prince Archivist, or something along those lines, when he’s introduced. He goes on to say WE presented the material in chronological order...so he’s being consulted for liner notes, track lists, etc. I think the estate and Howe knows the fans are very informed, and have information they may not, or know better than them how everything should fit together.

Sorry but i think Duane is on a leash by the Estate. Howe is selling misinformation and plain lies in interviews so they are playing us for fools.

love2thenines2003 said:

u have a violet reality knowledge here who will inundate you with his knowledge, I am sure that many will appreciate!