ItsOnlyMountains said:

databank said:

I am not aware of whatever "track 1" is.

What would have happened is what happens in these situations: 1/ I'd have pissed the people who entrusted me with it and 2/ I wouldn't be entrusted with more uncirculating material.

That's the thing, it's not that people necessarily enjoy keeping things for themselves, but you don't wanna betray your friends and you also don't wanna get a reputation as someone who cannot be trusted, so if the material isn't yours to leak, you don't. I mean don't get the wrong impression: I'm not a big gun with hundreds of uncirculating tapes that are mine to leak, just someone who is occasionally entrusted with a few things by some traders. When this happens to you, you're just grateful and you make sure not to fuck up

I would add to that, that sometimes you can't share because literally only a few people have it. And if it leaks, it would be easy to trace it back to the source leaker. And then the person who shared it with you AND the original source are in trouble. Then no music for anyone. It's a double edged sword. You want to share it with other Prince fans because the song/s is/are great and you want to talk about them with other people who will be as excited as you are, but you don't dare risk it because you were entrusted with something very special. In some cases the song, isn't even listed on PrinceVault (yet) so you can't even talk about it in the abstract.

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Exactly.
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I don't know why it seems to be so hard for some people to understand, but holding onto material someone trusted you with is not about ego or wanting to be an "elite trader" (whatever that might mean) – it's about integrity and being a man of your word. Whenever I gave my word to someone that I won't share what they gave me they can be sure I meant it. It's also business ethics 101: when you're a professional working with artists, obviously you'll have access to a lot of stuff, but you don't start talking about it, won't brag about it, whether you had to sign an NDA or not. It takes a lot of time to build trust with someone but it only takes one wrong move to lose it forever.
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Why was it necessary to divulge having special access to that track?

I can't believe this stuff is going on.

Romeoblu said:

Kares said:

ItsOnlyMountains said:

I would add to that, that sometimes you can't share because literally only a few people have it. And if it leaks, it would be easy to trace it back to the source leaker. And then the person who shared it with you AND the original source are in trouble. Then no music for anyone. It's a double edged sword. You want to share it with other Prince fans because the song/s is/are great and you want to talk about them with other people who will be as excited as you are, but you don't dare risk it because you were entrusted with something very special. In some cases the song, isn't even listed on PrinceVault (yet) so you can't even talk about it in the abstract.

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Exactly.
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I don't know why it seems to be so hard for some people to understand, but holding onto material someone trusted you with is not about ego or wanting to be an "elite trader" (whatever that might mean) – it's about integrity and being a man of your word. Whenever I gave my word to someone that I won't share what they gave me they can be sure I meant it. It's also business ethics 101: when you're a professional working with artists, obviously you'll have access to a lot of stuff, but you don't start talking about it, won't brag about it, whether you had to sign an NDA or not. It takes a lot of time to build trust with someone but it only takes one wrong move to lose it forever.
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As straight 4ward as it gets.

Graycap23 said:

Kares said:

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Exactly.
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I don't know why it seems to be so hard for some people to understand, but holding onto material someone trusted you with is not about ego or wanting to be an "elite trader" (whatever that might mean) – it's about integrity and being a man of your word. Whenever I gave my word to someone that I won't share what they gave me they can be sure I meant it. It's also business ethics 101: when you're a professional working with artists, obviously you'll have access to a lot of stuff, but you don't start talking about it, won't brag about it, whether you had to sign an NDA or not. It takes a lot of time to build trust with someone but it only takes one wrong move to lose it forever.
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As straight 4ward as it gets.

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All very noble but doesn't really apply in this case. The track was supposed to be shared freely but instead it was passed/traded around a select few with conditions. Somebody down the line would have known it was meant to be shared freely, there is no excuse for that

I was given a video of a set of shows and videos that was not at that time leaked by someone that worked at PP. (he is in the videos so yes I am sure). And he said "just do not share them, they could be traced back to me." So there was no way I would share them...

So it is not really being an elites to me it comes off to me as kind of a relief. "I can finally talk about this!"

someone I know said that they shared a song and the person they shared it with sold it to a bootlegger and it is now leaked. And that is why some with these rare gems will not share them.

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Wow i love this! Great track

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So it is not really being an elites to me it comes off to me as kind of a relief. "I can finally talk about this!"

I think that is how I would feel. I've heard some songs (but don't have them) that I think will never be released. I understand why (they're just Prince being silly and not anything mindblowing musically speaking) but it still makes me sad to think I will probably never hear them again. And then there are other songs I think are likely to be released (or leaked) at some point so I wait.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

dualboot said:

But is it fake or real?

That's exactly what i was thinking. It's still good regardless.

Farfunknugin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I was given a video of a set of shows and videos that was not at that time leaked by someone that worked at PP. (he is in the videos so yes I am sure). And he said "just do not share them, they could be traced back to me." So there was no way I would share them...

So it is not really being an elites to me it comes off to me as kind of a relief. "I can finally talk about this!"

someone I know said that they shared a song and the person they shared it with sold it to a bootlegger and it is now leaked. And that is why some with these rare gems will not share them.

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I totally get the secrecy especially when it can point back to you. Curious what shows did you receive, after reading your post it sounds like these shows have been leaked..

they are out there they were some of glam slam shows and some videos in from 90-94.

Revolution81 said:

Graycap23 said:

As straight 4ward as it gets.

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All very noble but doesn't really apply in this case. The track was supposed to be shared freely but instead it was passed/traded around a select few with conditions. Somebody down the line would have known it was meant to be shared freely, there is no excuse for that

I don't think any of this stuff is applicable in 2020.

This makes me imagine that Ween heard this WAY before us

Love it!!!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I was given a video of a set of shows and videos that was not at that time leaked by someone that worked at PP. (he is in the videos so yes I am sure). And he said "just do not share them, they could be traced back to me." So there was no way I would share them...

So it is not really being an elites to me it comes off to me as kind of a relief. "I can finally talk about this!"

someone I know said that they shared a song and the person they shared it with sold it to a bootlegger and it is now leaked. And that is why some with these rare gems will not share them.

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One method to gain status and get elite traders to trade with you was to let it be known what tapes you had, to get included as inner circle.

What you described, being told "You can have a copy, but don't trade it" or some version of that was very common. What would happen is people with masters, or first generation copies of rare stuff would entrust people, or talk about what they had. It was still currency you could have used to gain credibility and use that clout to make other trades.

They're just stolen tracks and being hoarded and shared very selectively. That's the common sense approach one generation removed from the leaker commiting the theft. And you had the common sense not to talk about something other people couldn't hear, and it wasn't in your bones to want to brag apparently, whereas there are people who live for that. The reputation for having the material is more important than the material, some of which they would never listen to all the way through anyways.


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My only regret from deleting my Facebook account is the loss of all the Prince pages I was signed up to. This track would have certainly come aross my feed. Hopefully it will turn up some other place.

lavendardrummachine said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I was given a video of a set of shows and videos that was not at that time leaked by someone that worked at PP. (he is in the videos so yes I am sure). And he said "just do not share them, they could be traced back to me." So there was no way I would share them...

So it is not really being an elites to me it comes off to me as kind of a relief. "I can finally talk about this!"

someone I know said that they shared a song and the person they shared it with sold it to a bootlegger and it is now leaked. And that is why some with these rare gems will not share them.

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One method to gain status and get elite traders to trade with you was to let it be known what tapes you had, to get included as inner circle.

What you described, being told "You can have a copy, but don't trade it" or some version of that was very common. What would happen is people with masters, or first generation copies of rare stuff would entrust people, or talk about what they had. It was still currency you could have used to gain credibility and use that clout to make other trades.

They're just stolen tracks and being hoarded and shared very selectively. That's the common sense approach one generation removed from the leaker commiting the theft. And you had the common sense not to talk about something other people couldn't hear, and it wasn't in your bones to want to brag apparently, whereas there are people who live for that. The reputation for having the material is more important than the material, some of which they would never listen to all the way through anyways.


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Wow.

Yeah.

i mean, a circle jerk is already a strange scene, but if noone comes, what's the point?

ENVELOPE FILTER!....This is a badass track. Too bad Betty Davis didn't get this jam...Definetly can hear the influence she had on him.

how come whenever anything leaks there's always scores of people claiming it's fake? weird stuff, absolutely. wild. stuff. i just don't get it. 99 percent of the time i say to myself "how in the hell can you not tell this is him?"

billymeade said:

LoveGalore said:

billymeade said:

This isn't Prince.

Maybe your ears have been Frankenstein mixed.

lmao

that voice is obviously young Prince. young Prince on his Bootsy

only a 17 year old Prince can come up with this stuff lol

It's this track https://www.princevault.c...9s_Bedroom

billymeade said:

Number23 said:

And how beautiful is this? We’re all vibing off this song. It’s wonderful, it’s why we loved this guy in the first place - he brought us weirdos together. He was one of us - only exceptionally talented. And through that talent, we all found each other. That same person once said ‘Release it’. Release it all. Bring A little joy into this cold, cold world. [Edited 9/11/20 14:36pm]

yes exactly!