Vannormal said:

jn2 said:

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@Strive :

You don't have to listen to it.

you don't have to read it.

you do not necessary have to comment on it.

You can be as free as you like, and skip it.

Just like you skip some songs by Prince you don't like.

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This type of 'nonsense' is what i certainly love to read/hear more about.

It's educational and relevant.

Peace though.

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irony


I also saw there is more of the same over other recent articals and podcasts and interviews. Can't we all just dig the music?

controversy99 said:

Wth is happening with this podcast?! The 1999 SDE podcast was awesome. This series is a train wreck. The only parts I really liked were the professor, the president of WB records, and some of Susan Rogers stories. But we’ve mostly been hearing from the same people over and over. Can we please hear from somebody else in his life? I’d even enjoy hearing from Wally at this point. Sheesh. . The story about using air freight was pretty cool, plus the observation from Susan about the drums for the Cross.

Don't worry, I'll be on next episode and I'm really awesome so you all will enjoy my input.

Vannormal said:

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@Strive :

You don't have to listen to it.

you don't have to read it.

you do not necessary have to comment on it.

You can be as free as you like, and skip it.

Just like you skip some songs by Prince you don't like.

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This type of 'nonsense' is what i certainly love to read/hear more about.

It's educational and relevant.

Peace though.

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Or I can tell the estate to fuck off with that nonsense. Which I did. It's marxist trash and some professor gazing up her asshole. She never met Prince, she had nothing to do with Sign, she had no relevant information regarding Sign. It's inclusion does nothing besides divide the community. FUCK. OFF.

But yea, I wish u heaven too

[Edited 9/12/20 20:35pm]

Strive said:

Or I can tell the estate to fuck off with that nonsense. Which I did. It's marxist trash and some professor gazing up her asshole. She's not related to the project, she had nothing to do with Sign, she had no relevant information regarding Sign. It does nothing besides divide the community. FUCK. OFF.

But yea, I wish u heaven too

strive i won't go into you too hard because i think you're pretty cool in most aspects, but in regards to your behavior in this thread, i gotta say that my opinion involves SOMEONE being a complete, utter, just total... total moron. and that person is not me. someone.

controversy99 said:

Wth is happening with this podcast?! The 1999 SDE podcast was awesome. This series is a train wreck. The only parts I really liked were the professor, the president of WB records, and some of Susan Rogers stories. But we’ve mostly been hearing from the same people over and over. Can we please hear from somebody else in his life? I’d even enjoy hearing from Wally at this point. Sheesh. . The story about using air freight was pretty cool, plus the observation from Susan about the drums for the Cross.

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It's not about what we want. It's about what's important.

And we all are free to not put a unneeded negative comment on it.

All these stories told are so goddamn relevant !

Susanah IS the subject of most of his songs from that era.

She was there most of the time (and apparently she spend a lot of time with him in the studio as well).

Lisa and Wendy were hugely involved in many of Prince's recordings of that era, aw well as Eric Leeds and a few others.

We start to know more and more when they all talk.

Those girls were so important in that part of his life back then. Very important !

Susanah was HIS LOVE that made him feel so heart broken. A lot of the songs are about her.

She is basically the only one who can tell us relevant stories from within.

Wally was not in his bed, not in his kitchen, not in his house, not at his side all the time.

Nor were all the other (male) members of The Revolution and his new band... (maybe) besides Sheila E.

Sure Wally told everything he has to tell in his BOOK. It's out there.

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It was the best time of his god damn life ! The output is the proof.

If this isn't obvious anymore, I don't know why people are still into Prince, constantly moaning about what they want and don't like that insiders try to tell us.

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WHat we all think only is irrelevant untill we can share interesting motivated opinions on subjects like these, are always welcome, even well motivated negative ones.

I too have to pay more attention to that, and write less crap about what I don't like or think... irrelevant comments for instance. Yes i feel guilty too.

All of us need to be more constructive in some info we share.

I got carried away often by negative comments here, and I'm going to try and pay attention to it.

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We all can dislike music he wrote, or disagree whatever he did.

But please for peace sake let's agree to disagree on MANY THINGS PRINCE.

These people that lived around him telling can only provide us with intimate stories of their moments back then. They are the only key to underestand how Prince was.

I found it nearly unbelievable that most of these people are not telling that many negative stories about Prince. Sure there were. But the love they have for him still is so strong apartently.

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It is about time by the way that Susanah as well as Lisa & Wendy, are about to write a book on their own.

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I was a bit disappointed with the third installment. I was looking forward to a full episode on the track Sign Of The Times, but it wasn't that. The professor did not bring any additional insights to me. Still, to me, the quality of the SOTT podcasts is higher than the 1999 ones.

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I'm hoping for more people to show up that contributed to the recordings, but I guess that will all come up naturally as we progress through 1986 with the UTCM tour and disbanding of the Revolution. I hope they have Matt and Miko and Eric, as they stayed. I'd even welcome a few words from Sheila, who was there to console Prince after the split with Susannah.

Vannormal said:

controversy99 said:

Wth is happening with this podcast?! The 1999 SDE podcast was awesome. This series is a train wreck. The only parts I really liked were the professor, the president of WB records, and some of Susan Rogers stories. But we’ve mostly been hearing from the same people over and over. Can we please hear from somebody else in his life? I’d even enjoy hearing from Wally at this point. Sheesh. . The story about using air freight was pretty cool, plus the observation from Susan about the drums for the Cross.

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It's not about what we want. It's about what's important.

And we all are free to not put a unneeded negative comment on it.

All these stories told are so goddamn relevant !

Susanah IS the subject of most of his songs from that era.

She was there most of the time (and apparently she spend a lot of time with him in the studio as well).

Lisa and Wendy were hugely involved in many of Prince's recordings of that era, aw well as Eric Leeds and a few others.

We start to know more and more when they all talk.

Those girls were so important in that part of his life back then. Very important !

Susanah was HIS LOVE that made him feel so heart broken. A lot of the songs are about her.

She is basically the only one who can tell us relevant stories from within.

Wally was not in his bed, not in his kitchen, not in his house, not at his side all the time.

Nor were all the other (male) members of The Revolution and his new band... (maybe) besides Sheila E.

Sure Wally told everything he has to tell in his BOOK. It's out there.

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It was the best time of his god damn life ! The output is the proof.

If this isn't obvious anymore, I don't know why people are still into Prince, constantly moaning about what they want and don't like that insiders try to tell us.

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WHat we all think only is irrelevant untill we can share interesting motivated opinions on subjects like these, are always welcome, even well motivated negative ones.

I too have to pay more attention to that, and write less crap about what I don't like or think... irrelevant comments for instance. Yes i feel guilty too.

All of us need to be more constructive in some info we share.

I got carried away often by negative comments here, and I'm going to try and pay attention to it.

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We all can dislike music he wrote, or disagree whatever he did.

But please for peace sake let's agree to disagree on MANY THINGS PRINCE.

These people that lived around him telling can only provide us with intimate stories of their moments back then. They are the only key to underestand how Prince was.

I found it nearly unbelievable that most of these people are not telling that many negative stories about Prince. Sure there were. But the love they have for him still is so strong apartently.

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It is about time by the way that Susanah as well as Lisa & Wendy, are about to write a book on their own.

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well said

jaawwnn said:

I wasn't crazy about her analysis, it was interesting and i'm definitely looking forward to reading her essay in the box but I hope she is also willing to address/acknowledge that Prince wrote the "straightforwardly patriotic" song America and spoke a few times in the (early) 1980s about his admiration for Reagan.

As we can see in this thread, people read what they want into Prince and dismiss what they find uncomfortable ("there's probably a correlation between Prince's depression/drug use and his "wokeness"") and I hope she doesn't fall into that trap.

I'm probably with Squirrelmeat on this, it's not a political album in the way, say, a Public Enemy album is a political album. I'll read someone's political analysis of it because i'm interested though, you can't ignore politics any more than you can ignore money.

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That was not a patriotic song AND he damn sure didn't have admiration for Reagan.

muleFunk said:

jaawwnn said:

I wasn't crazy about her analysis, it was interesting and i'm definitely looking forward to reading her essay in the box but I hope she is also willing to address/acknowledge that Prince wrote the "straightforwardly patriotic" song America and spoke a few times in the (early) 1980s about his admiration for Reagan.

As we can see in this thread, people read what they want into Prince and dismiss what they find uncomfortable ("there's probably a correlation between Prince's depression/drug use and his "wokeness"") and I hope she doesn't fall into that trap.

I'm probably with Squirrelmeat on this, it's not a political album in the way, say, a Public Enemy album is a political album. I'll read someone's political analysis of it because i'm interested though, you can't ignore politics any more than you can ignore money.

[Edited 9/11/20 1:48am]

That was not a patriotic song AND he damn sure didn't have admiration for Reagan.

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Wrong on both counts, Mulefunk. Listen to what Prince said himself on the topics. He was quite positive about Reagan and considered America straightforwardly patriotic. Basically, Prince also had flaws.

mediumdry said:

muleFunk said:

That was not a patriotic song AND he damn sure didn't have admiration for Reagan.

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Wrong on both counts, Mulefunk. Listen to what Prince said himself on the topics. He was quite positive about Reagan and considered America straightforwardly patriotic. Basically, Prince also had flaws.

Yeah, he is not saying it is all good but it is better... he seems to warn about being greedy but then is critical of someone who drops out of school because he will not pledge allegiance but then asked "why" he won't... again suggesting some problems. Also his "freedom, love, joy Peace" may be more of a question than a statement of fact.

later in his career he would send the same kind of mixed message to the point of almost a contradiction: "Dear Mr Man" vs "Act of God" one saying the government should do more the other saying the government should not tax people so much?

Strive said:

Vannormal said:

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@Strive :

You don't have to listen to it.

you don't have to read it.

you do not necessary have to comment on it.

You can be as free as you like, and skip it.

Just like you skip some songs by Prince you don't like.

-

This type of 'nonsense' is what i certainly love to read/hear more about.

It's educational and relevant.

Peace though.

-

Or I can tell the estate to fuck off with that nonsense. Which I did. It's marxist trash and some professor gazing up her asshole. She never met Prince, she had nothing to do with Sign, she had no relevant information regarding Sign. It's inclusion does nothing besides divide the community. FUCK. OFF.

But yea, I wish u heaven too

[Edited 9/12/20 20:35pm]

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If you start pointing to Karl Marx (and Friedrich Engels) be very careful;

that's my field of knowledge. ))

Explain where and why she points out towards Marxism.

She did NOT in one single word.

I'm sorry to say so but I think you did not understand what she talked about.

She was talking about the relevance and impact of BLM & COVID-19 on our times, compared with what Prince sung about in 1986.

She's a professor in the African-American studies, Women-&-Gender-Sexuality studies (and since July in Music).

Nothing can be more relevant to give (objectively) comment and have intellectual insight on music and teh life of a black artist like Prince as an aexample.

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She said something that woke me up, concerning Prince as a black artist singing about sex and the way most people for example perceive African-Americans :

"But those were political statements, to say this is about resisting the narrow definitions of what Blackness is."

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It's even more interesting that they never met, can't you see ?

I/you never met Prince.

Look how much we try to impress eachother with our so called knowledge about this (black) popstar we all love so much ?

I for sure as a European can't tell that much of the context of a (black) popstar in the eighties living in Minneapolis, let alone in the USA. Or maybe even closer, Europe.

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Her inclusion has nothing to do with dividing the community.

It's most unconstructive personal comments that cause that.

Ignorance often manifests itself in frustration that produces oversimplified information, which often leads to division and even hatred.

Knowledge is (also) empathy.

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donnyenglish said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

mediumdry said:

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Wrong on both counts, Mulefunk. Listen to what Prince said himself on the topics. He was quite positive about Reagan and considered America straightforwardly patriotic. Basically, Prince also had flaws.

Yeah, he is not saying it is all good but it is better... he seems to warn about being greedy but then is critical of someone who drops out of school because he will not pledge allegiance but then asked "why" he won't... again suggesting some problems. Also his "freedom, love, joy Peace" may be more of a question than a statement of fact.

later in his career he would send the same kind of mixed message to the point of almost a contradiction: "Dear Mr Man" vs "Act of God" one saying the government should do more the other saying the government should not tax people so much?

Oh, I agree. I think, after the 80's, he absolutely had a different outlook about America - or at least the racial injustices here - as far back as the early 90's. Folks need to listen to his aftershow at the DNA Lounge in 1993. He was in rare form that night - froggy throat and all due to being sick - talking in a southern drawl accent to what must have been a mostly white audience based on what he was saying, and doing a kick-ass version of the song Race. "He said, "'we ain't scared of you motherf**kers!!"

lustmealways said:

controversy99 said:

Wth is happening with this podcast?! The 1999 SDE podcast was awesome. This series is a train wreck. The only parts I really liked were the professor, the president of WB records, and some of Susan Rogers stories. But we’ve mostly been hearing from the same people over and over. Can we please hear from somebody else in his life? I’d even enjoy hearing from Wally at this point. Sheesh. . The story about using air freight was pretty cool, plus the observation from Susan about the drums for the Cross.

Don't worry, I'll be on next episode and I'm really awesome so you all will enjoy my input.

Vannormal said:

controversy99 said:

Wth is happening with this podcast?! The 1999 SDE podcast was awesome. This series is a train wreck. The only parts I really liked were the professor, the president of WB records, and some of Susan Rogers stories. But we’ve mostly been hearing from the same people over and over. Can we please hear from somebody else in his life? I’d even enjoy hearing from Wally at this point. Sheesh. . The story about using air freight was pretty cool, plus the observation from Susan about the drums for the Cross.

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It's not about what we want. It's about what's important.

And we all are free to not put a unneeded negative comment on it.

All these stories told are so goddamn relevant !

Susanah IS the subject of most of his songs from that era.

She was there most of the time (and apparently she spend a lot of time with him in the studio as well).

Lisa and Wendy were hugely involved in many of Prince's recordings of that era, aw well as Eric Leeds and a few others.

We start to know more and more when they all talk.

Those girls were so important in that part of his life back then. Very important !

Susanah was HIS LOVE that made him feel so heart broken. A lot of the songs are about her.

She is basically the only one who can tell us relevant stories from within.

Wally was not in his bed, not in his kitchen, not in his house, not at his side all the time.

Nor were all the other (male) members of The Revolution and his new band... (maybe) besides Sheila E.

Sure Wally told everything he has to tell in his BOOK. It's out there.

-

It was the best time of his god damn life ! The output is the proof.

If this isn't obvious anymore, I don't know why people are still into Prince, constantly moaning about what they want and don't like that insiders try to tell us.

-

WHat we all think only is irrelevant untill we can share interesting motivated opinions on subjects like these, are always welcome, even well motivated negative ones.

I too have to pay more attention to that, and write less crap about what I don't like or think... irrelevant comments for instance. Yes i feel guilty too.

All of us need to be more constructive in some info we share.

I got carried away often by negative comments here, and I'm going to try and pay attention to it.

-

We all can dislike music he wrote, or disagree whatever he did.

But please for peace sake let's agree to disagree on MANY THINGS PRINCE.

These people that lived around him telling can only provide us with intimate stories of their moments back then. They are the only key to underestand how Prince was.

I found it nearly unbelievable that most of these people are not telling that many negative stories about Prince. Sure there were. But the love they have for him still is so strong apartently.

-

It is about time by the way that Susanah as well as Lisa & Wendy, are about to write a book on their own.

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Look, I was a bit frustrated, so my comment may appear more negative than I meant.
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I mostly liked the first two epidsodes (a couple of things were lame because they weren't true), and I figured they'd move on to other people as the series proceeds. Now, I'm concerned. I hope they did in depth interviews with some additional people. So far we have only one quote each from Dr. Fink & BrownMark and none from Bobby, Sheila, Miko, Jill Jones, Sheena Easton, Jerome, Levi, Coke Johnson, etc. But there's still time.
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Why is my comment "unneeded"? I expressed what I didn't like and what I hope to hear.
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Anyway ... back to the podcast ... it was cool to hear about Prince decorating/enhancing Sunset Sound to reflect his style and make himself comfortable. He's such a work-aholic that I sometimes overlook some of his artistic sensibilities, the ways that his idiosyncracies are those of an artist.

What a great series. Thank you so much to the folks behind it.

donnyenglish said:

Strive said:

Ugh, that professor. Please fuck off with that nonsense.

I don't think it was nonsense. I do think that it was a bit misplaced and perhaps forced. I don't consider SOTT to be an album where he addressed race issues. I do think that SOTT was a concerted effort to distance himself from the pop image that had become his brand, but he did not really tackle race directly on the album the way he did later in his life. With that said, he did tackle social issues in general on the album so I understand getting a scholar to talk about what was going on at the time. Looking forward to hearing from the black folks that were in the band, in the studio, etc. in the future episodes.

Agree it was a little hamfisted, but, like... fine? NBD? Hardly nonsense.

donnyenglish said:

Strive said:

I was at the Baltimore show and he said the system is broken. Prince believed in systemic racism. He made several songs about systemic racism like Family Name. This is why we need more points of view represented and I was glad the podcast attempted to do that. People can disagree with Prince’s beliefs about racism, but don’t try to make him into Candace Owens because he is not. [Edited 9/10/20 11:50am]

Period.

Strive said:

LoveGalore said:

Strive said: Partisanship isn't being debated. It's Prince's approach to racism - which he was outspoken about for decades. Prince DID believe in systemic racism AND he believed he was the target of it from radio play to CONtracts. The only reason Prince didn't mention race more overtly in the 80s is because the landscape never would've forgiven him for it. But you'll see as his courting of the airwaves cooled, so did his inhibitions.

The man who broke race barriers and covered the JB song "I don't want nobody to give me nothing, open up the door, I'll get it myself" for like 15 years in his later life believed in systemic racism and that the game was forever rigged against minorities?

Ok. His actions say otherwise. He approached every day like nothing was impossible. And he accomplished so many great things because of the way he approached life.

And again, he was a JW so he didn't want to be thought of in partisan terms. Even Van Jones, the guy who outed a number of his charity works, said he was purple politically. He pulled ideas from everywhere. He also wanted to open opportunities for his community and tear down stereotypes.

But honestly, there's probably a correlation between Prince's depression/drug use and his "wokeness". It's an interesting thought. FIXURLIFEUP was a drastic departure from his previous belief that only God could lead and heal the world. That has nothing to do with Sign but it's still an interesting thought.

My main point is to say that trying to bend Prince's past art to fit modern lines of thought is beyond fucking stupid. And the more the Estate attempts to do that, the more they're going to alienate portions of the audience.

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Those things are... not mutually exclusive lol

RE the rest of the podcast: I love that they mentioned "Sunday songs." That has always been one of my favourite tidbits of Prince recording lore.

Strive said:

Vannormal said:

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@Strive :

You don't have to listen to it.

you don't have to read it.

you do not necessary have to comment on it.

You can be as free as you like, and skip it.

Just like you skip some songs by Prince you don't like.

-

This type of 'nonsense' is what i certainly love to read/hear more about.

It's educational and relevant.

Peace though.

-

Or I can tell the estate to fuck off with that nonsense. Which I did. It's marxist trash and some professor gazing up her asshole. She never met Prince, she had nothing to do with Sign, she had no relevant information regarding Sign. It's inclusion does nothing besides divide the community. FUCK. OFF.

But yea, I wish u heaven too

[Edited 9/12/20 20:35pm]

Wait, didn't you know "Play In the Sunshine" is about liberating the proletariat?

i am so ready to get another thread full of laughs tomorrow. i hope you all brought some new material and something to get upset about.