lustmealways said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

this guy definitely did speak loudly and forcefully several times during his career on race issues, and it's admirable, but isn't this also the same guy who prided himself on not voting and pulled all this "you never really had a voice" bullshit?

I mean, all due respect, but that's the type of stuff most people outgrow in their early 20s, and even that late into life is pushing it. very life-of-privilege and uninformed nonsense that teenagers say to sound smart.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I'n not sure why the estate dropped some random woman's commentary on this.

SOTT isn't a politiccal album. It doesn't have a single political song on it. The title track is social commentary and the rest of the album is made up of 5 love songs, 4 sex songs, 2 flirting songs, 2 party songs, 1 school tale and 1 religious track.

uhh SOTT the title track is political, surely?

the professor does seem forced in, and she does kinda go off on a tangent that isnt related to this particular song, but hey, they are discussing the social climate of the day, so...

I don;t hear anything political in the song. The fact that he simply pulled the lyrics from newpaper headlines suggests its simply social commentary, with a bit of a flirt with the 'Apocalypse; which of cousre he loves doing (and carries the theme through into 'Play In The Sunshine').

SquirrelMeat said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

uhh SOTT the title track is political, surely?

the professor does seem forced in, and she does kinda go off on a tangent that isnt related to this particular song, but hey, they are discussing the social climate of the day, so...

I don;t hear anything political in the song. The fact that he simply pulled the lyrics from newpaper headlines suggests its simply social commentary, with a bit of a flirt with the 'Apocalypse; which of cousre he loves doing (and carries the theme through into 'Play In The Sunshine').

i mean, i think prince wasnt into party politics, clearly had no interest in elections (and ofc, he didnt need to, he was rich) and often sounded politically immature so it was prob best he didnt do it too much, but:

"A sister killed her baby 'cause she couldn't afford to feed it/And yet we're sending people to the moon" does sound like a political criticism, one against state spending.

its also one he made a few times, that theres plenty of problems in the US, so why have foreign aid basically. kinda politically naive, but you can see what he was getting at (fix the problems at home first if youve got the money to spend overseas).

donnyenglish said:

Good podcast. I'm hoping they talk to Miko and others eventually. Here is what Miko said on his facebook page about the topic:

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

he was never a jerk during my time with him!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

not all true if you were in the room like I have been

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

This is all so funny for me! I'm there since 1983 and know much more than what I've read by people who weren't in the same room including past engineers. Which many times on many tracks I've seen only himself working the controls that the engineers set up and then asked to leave! Many have forgotten that I was actually there with him

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

it was all him! Others where just others! People crying now mega years late? Pat's on the back bullshit! I'm sad because he can't tell his side of the story but I can but don't want to call folks liars!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

confirmed? By a witness or a book? I'm sorry to say that he has told me things directly to my face! Maybe you too as well?

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

Why should anyone care about credits unless one's ego needs feeding and a pat on the funking back!

One could be forgiven for thinking you're obssessed...especially with someone who had nothing to do with the making of the album. Sheesh. Get over him.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

so good...SOTT (the song) still changes my brain...

and they ruin it with this lady... she goes way too far into her own ideology...

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Who's they? What lady? Can you be a bit more vague please?

JoeyCococo said:

Come on Miko...just get on a podcast with Michael Dean or the Peach and Black Podcasters and give us your input. You already have credibility in that you've been silent forever.

That's your criteria for credibility? Wow.

RJOrion said:

i used to live in the apartment bldg over Rudolph's Rib joint/Bar...on the corner of Franklin and Lyndale...i used to see Jellybean and Monte and Jessie there alot... never saw Prince... cant believe he would fly their food out to LA... Ted Cooks (E. 38th) ribs are/were WAY better than Rudolph's and they have beef or pork... Rudolphs just had swine ribs...i thought P didnt eat the swine?

What's the zip code? You didn't give us a zip code!

lustmealways said:

this guy definitely did speak loudly and forcefully several times during his career on race issues, and it's admirable, but isn't this also the same guy who prided himself on not voting and pulled all this "you never really had a voice" bullshit?

I mean, all due respect, but that's the type of stuff most people outgrow in their early 20s, and even that late into life is pushing it. very life-of-privilege and uninformed nonsense that teenagers say to sound smart.

He was a Jehovah's Witness. Not a good one but still a JW

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/political-neutrality/

RJOrion said:

Strive said: But honestly, there's probably a correlation between Prince's depression/drug use and his "wokeness" ^^^^................^^^ yo, WTF is that supposed to mean?... do tell

It's not that hard to figure out. The more he lost control of himself, the more he reached outwards to focus on other issues. Usually regarding race since he was a black man. The more "woke" Prince got, and you can apply this over his entire career, the more it seemed like his personal demons were getting the best of him at the time.

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RighteousOne said:

LoveGalore said:

RighteousOne said:

Who's they? What lady? Can you be a bit more vague please?

You may want to listen to the podcast before you go on a tear.

Why?

RighteousOne said:

LoveGalore said:

I wasn't crazy about her analysis, it was interesting and i'm definitely looking forward to reading her essay in the box but I hope she is also willing to address/acknowledge that Prince wrote the "straightforwardly patriotic" song America and spoke a few times in the (early) 1980s about his admiration for Reagan.

As we can see in this thread, people read what they want into Prince and dismiss what they find uncomfortable ("there's probably a correlation between Prince's depression/drug use and his "wokeness"") and I hope she doesn't fall into that trap.

I'm probably with Squirrelmeat on this, it's not a political album in the way, say, a Public Enemy album is a political album. I'll read someone's political analysis of it because i'm interested though, you can't ignore politics any more than you can ignore money.

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i dont want any heavy handed 'recontextualising' essays tbh

like, that stuff is great for academic essay books on prince or whatever, idk if i need to see it in a cd.

No one will be forcing you to read anything.

I really enjoyed the part about "The Cross". I found it fascinating that he wrote and performed these songs as a form of reprntence from the lustful songs he wrote. It makes the "religious" songs even more powerful to me.

djdaffy1227 said:

its great hearing the band and susan rogers, but for this album, id love to hear about the record labels perspective and other people working with him. hoping to hear more from lenny waronker in the next one. and the sott tour band and alan leeds especially.

Housequake sounds amazing!

Strive said:

LoveGalore said:

Strive said: Partisanship isn't being debated. It's Prince's approach to racism - which he was outspoken about for decades. Prince DID believe in systemic racism AND he believed he was the target of it from radio play to CONtracts. The only reason Prince didn't mention race more overtly in the 80s is because the landscape never would've forgiven him for it. But you'll see as his courting of the airwaves cooled, so did his inhibitions.

The man who broke race barriers and covered the JB song "I don't want nobody to give me nothing, open up the door, I'll get it myself" for like 15 years in his later life believed in systemic racism and that the game was forever rigged against minorities?

Ok. His actions say otherwise. He approached every day like nothing was impossible. And he accomplished so many great things because of the way he approached life.

And again, he was a JW so he didn't want to be thought of in partisan terms. Even Van Jones, the guy who outed a number of his charity works, said he was purple politically. He pulled ideas from everywhere. He also wanted to open opportunities for his community and tear down stereotypes.

But honestly, there's probably a correlation between Prince's depression/drug use and his "wokeness". It's an interesting thought. FIXURLIFEUP was a drastic departure from his previous belief that only God could lead and heal the world. That has nothing to do with Sign but it's still an interesting thought.

My main point is to say that trying to bend Prince's past art to fit modern lines of thought is beyond fucking stupid. And the more the Estate attempts to do that, the more they're going to alienate portions of the audience.

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"Ultimately the only one that can save U is U.

Your God is inside and 4 that God U will do...

Whatever it takes. If nothing else is true...

The only One that can save U.. is U."

"3rd Eye" from The Truth. Long before he passed.

Strive said:

Ugh, that professor. Please fuck off with that nonsense.

smh idk why i still frequent this place lol i guess out of habit. i loved the input of the professor. she said nothing wrong. sucks that Prince has fans that are either racist or ignore race relations, police brutality, etc. it's like they live in paisley park or any of these fictitional places and refuse to see reality for what it is. just because you act like things don't occur means they don't. they do! especially for us as black folk. it's important to look at Prince's choices and decisions from that point of view.

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All of a sudden i have to think of the moment when i heard he changed "The Cross"

in "The Christ"...

Gosh, what a 'ducked up' choice that was.

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jn2 said:

Strive said:

Ugh, that professor. Please fuck off with that nonsense.

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@Strive :

You don't have to listen to it.

you don't have to read it.

you do not necessary have to comment on it.

You can be as free as you like, and skip it.

Just like you skip some songs by Prince you don't like.

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This type of 'nonsense' is what i certainly love to read/hear more about.

It's educational and relevant.

Peace though.

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Prince(r.i.p.) was a real artist musican he virtually lived in the studio. How else could ONE PERSON record so much MUZIQ!