lustmealways said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Prince was such a unique lyricist... Dorothy Parker referenced 'Prince' in several of her Ballades. She also wrote things like 'Arrangement in Black and White'.

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From Ballade of a Talked off Ear:

Prince or commoner, tenor or bass,
Painter or plumber or never-do-well,
Do me a favor and shut your face
Poets alone should kiss and tell.

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From Ballade of Unfortunate Mammals:

Prince, a precept I'd leave for you,
Coined in Eden, existing yet:
Skirt the parlor, and shun the zoo-
Women and elephants never forget.

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From Ballade of a Geat Weariness:

Oh, beggar or prince, no more, no more!
Be off and away with your strut and show.
The sweeter the apple, the blacker the core:
Scratch a lover, and find a foe!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...thy_Parker

Dorothy Parker (née Rothschild; August 22, 1893 – June 7, 1967) was an American poet, writer, critic, and satirist based in New York; she was best known for her wit, wisecracks, and eye for 20th-century urban foibles.

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Not exactly sure how this relates, as based on everything I've read Prince was not aware of -at least consciously aware of - the poet Dorothy Parker when he wrote his song. It's been stated that he was told about her after the fact. It would be great to hear more about that to confirm it. Perhaps Duane T will write about it in his upcoming book.

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"Dorothy was a waitress on the promenade, dishwater blonde, tall and fine. She made a lot of tips...." And Joni's "Help Me" was her favorite song, which was released well after poet Dorothy Parker's time here.

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Of course, it's possible that Prince heard or saw her name somewhere prior to his dream and writing the song. Dorothy was also co-writer of the original screenplay for the 1937 film A Star Is Born. Lisa Coleman stated (during her interview with Questlove) that Prince had a poster of the 1976 A Star Is Born poster (of Barbara Streisand & Kris Kristofferson) on a wall in his MN home where she lived with him for awhile. So, it's also possible he became familiar with her name at that time.

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I think the problem is if you only want a podcast on Prince and the art he created (which personally I think is impossible, he didn't live in vacuum) there's not gonna be much to say. Who engineered Sign of the Times? Susan Rogers and Coke Johnson according to the credits, they've more or less told all their stories. Half the time they can't remember what was going on what day, it's all a blur to them, as they've said many a time. There's probably a few more stories coming down the line but it'd be a pretty short podcast series if they were directed to only repeat things they can remember he said (and even then - "WHERE ARE YOUR RECEIPTS" will be said by some if they dislike a story), and describe technically everything he did with no attempt at personal interpretation.

No one knows what was going on in Prince's head so all we have is the stories of the people around him. Some of those people were white, or simply had the surname melvoin, and there's a whole gang on here who hate hearing white people/melvoins talk about Prince, fair enough. Hopefully some non-white voices will be included, they certainly should be if they were around at the time, although they will have the same problems as the white voices, they can't speak for Prince, only themselves and their own experiences.

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jaawwnn said:

I think the problem is if you only want a podcast on Prince and the art he created (which personally I think is impossible, he didn't live in vacuum) there's not gonna be much to say. Who engineered Sign of the Times? Susan Rogers and Coke Johnson according to the credits, they've more or less told all their stories. Half the time they can't remember what was going on what day, it's all a blur to them, as they've said many a time. There's probably a few more stories coming down the line but it'd be a pretty short podcast series if they were directed to only repeat things they can remember he said (and even then - "WHERE ARE YOUR RECEIPTS" will be said by some if they dislike a story), and describe technically everything he did with no attempt at personal interpretation.

No one knows what was going on in Prince's head so all we have is the stories of the people around him. Some of those people were white, or simply had the surname melvoin, and there's a whole gang on here who hate hearing white people/melvoins talk about Prince, fair enough. Hopefully some non-white voices will be included, they certainly should be if they were around at the time, although they will have the same problems as the white voices, they can't speak for Prince, only themselves and their own experiences.

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I agree with what you are expressing here. Although, we have to also remember that Prince himself chose and hired these people to work with him - Susan Rogers as one of his main Engineers, and Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, and Eric Leeds as his band members/backup singers during this time. So, white, yellow, brown black should NEVER factor in to this discussion. It shoud NOT matter at all, as clearly it did not matter to Prince during this time. He had both black and white musicians/band members/associates on his staff throughout his career until his passing. This just happens to be a period where he seemed to open up and allow more folks to be part of his recording process.

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In my opinion, they have all - espeically Susan Rogers - been able to contribute quite a bit of detail with the recordings and experiences during this time. Will they remember every minute of everyday? Of course not. However, I think they've been able to pull out some very interesting information on certain songs, recording sessions, etc. None of which we'd have without their input. So, for me, I am grateful and really enjoy listening to and/or reading about their experiences with Prince - both professinoal and personal.

i don't want to hear from anyone ever except for susan tbh

lustmealways said:

i don't want to hear from anyone ever except for susan tbh

Yes, she is extremely eloquent and the detail in her stories really allows you to imagine being there at that time. I actually like all of the associates' sharing their memories and experiences. I think it forms a bigger picture and deeper understanding of Prince during a particular time period, and/or how he was as a person/musician in general with regard to certain things.

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

I agree with what you are expressing here. Although, we have to also remember that Prince himself chose and hired these people to work with him - Susan Rogers as one of his main Engineers, and Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, and Eric Leeds as his band members/backup singers during this time. So, white, yellow, brown black should NEVER factor in to this discussion. It shoud NOT matter at all, as clearly it did not matter to Prince during this time. He had both black and white musicians/band members/associates on his staff throughout his career until his passing. This just happens to be a period where he seemed to open up and allow more folks to be part of his recording process.

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In my opinion, they have all - espeically Susan Rogers - been able to contribute quite a bit of detail with the recordings and experiences during this time. Will they remember every minute of everyday? Of course not. However, I think they've been able to pull out some very interesting information on certain songs, recording sessions, etc. None of which we'd have without their input. So, for me, I am grateful and really enjoy listening to and/or reading about their experiences with Prince - both professinoal and personal.

That's how some of ya'll white Susannah/ Revolution stans feel, but ya'll ain't the only ones around these parts, and Susannah/ The Revolution crew ain't the only voices that contributed and matters in the Prince community. As jaawwnn stated, no one truly knows what was going on in Prince's head, so all we have are the stories of the people around him. But even with their stories, we still don't truly know because it's coming from their point of view and private opinions (not Prince's) and sometimes that point of view and opinion can be bias. Some feel there's a bias white washing being expressed by that group of people, so jaawwnn saying that the non white voices that were around at the time should be included, is a considerate and inclusive point. What's so difficult to agree and understand about that? You need to check into yourself on that one if you can't even agree with that.

I actually never said I did NOT agree with the idea that ALL of Prince's associates - no matter their race or color - should be included in discussions about working with Prince. However, these two episodes are focusing on a very specific time period when Prince was regularly working with and/or spending time with certain associates. Therefore, they were asked to discuss their involvement/experiences during that specific time. I have no doubt as they move on to discuss the SOTT rehearsals, tour, and film we will most likely hear from the SOTT band (Sheila, Matt, Levi, Cat, Eric, Bliston, Brooks, etc) to get their input and discussion about that particular time period.

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I've also seen plenty of docus and interviews over the years with Dez, Morris, Jimmy and Terry, etc. front and center giving their history and experiences with Prince. So, sorry, but I have not seen any type of "white washing" going on. Just becuase they're white and giving their own information about their time with Prince does not translate to "white washing" Prince's persona or music. Suan Rogers was Prince's main Engineer from 1983-1987, so she deserves to be heard along with everyone else, and probably even more so, because she spent the most time with him in the studio.

Prince made a very conscious decision to ensure that the SOTT album distanced himself from the revolution. The fact that people are inflating their influence on the album is disrespectful to his art. Their influence on the outtakes on the expanded release is a worthy topic. Having folks talk about their influence on the released album is disrespectful. Violet is pushing Susanah's daughter's IG page for god's sake. She is still arguing about where Susanah ranked among his many women at the time. The agendas and motives are clear and they have more to do with claiming a piece of the purple pie than preserving his legacy. Someone should listen to jaawwnn. Looking forward to episode 3 and hearing from Sheila, Miko and others.

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donnyenglish said:

Prince made a very conscious decision to ensure that the SOTT album distanced himself from the revolution. The fact that people are inflating their influence on the album is disrespectful to his art. Their influence on the outtakes on the expanded release is a worthy topic. Having folks talk about their influence on the released album is disrespectful. Violet is pushing Susanah's daughter's IG page for god's sake. She is still arguing about where Susanah ranked among his many women at the time. The agendas and motives are clear and they have more to do with claiming a piece of the purple pie than preserving his legacy. Someone should listen to jaawwnn. Looking forward to episode 3 and hearing from Sheila, Miko and others.

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OMG, please. Prince distanced himself from and removed much of The Revolution on SOTT, because he broke up the band before the release. Even so, he STILL had to use many songs which The Revolution helped to record, so OF COURSE they will be brought into the mix for the discussion of the SOTT release and what lead up to it. How do you NOT get that?? Even Cat Glover stated the SOTT band had NOTHING to do with the songs, and they just learned to play them for the tour. SOTT songs were either Prince solo, or Prince and The Revolution. Period.

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And yeah, when Mr. Melvoinophobia comes back on this thread to post about the Dream Factory album cover - which by the way, NO ONE asked about - and refers to it as "Suannah's doodling" along with the added BS statement that "Prince never approved her cover" (well duh, it was never a released album), as well as, a completely off-topic link to another associate who worked on other album art for Prince....yeah, I did mention Susannah's daughter's art along with another post of her own artwork from 1985. Actually, I believe her daughter also drew an animated form of Cynthia Rose for a children's book Susannah is writing about Starfish & Coffee. So, what I posted was a heck of a lot more related to this thread then several of yours or Mr Melvoinophobia's posts.

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!

It was recorded on 3/4 inch tape which means it wasn't even HD. HD is at minimum 1280x720p but this would have been 640x480. Those are screen sizes. It's what they filmed TV with from the 70s until the 90s. And it was interlaced which means it had qualities that made it look like how a soap opera does.

I havent looked at the footage in a very long time and so I could be wrong. Maybe it was shot on film (which gives it a completely different feel) but I doubt it.

Milty2 said:

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!

It was recorded on 3/4 inch tape which means it wasn't even HD. HD is at minimum 1280x720p but this would have been 640x480. Those are screen sizes. It's what they filmed TV with from the 70s until the 90s. And it was interlaced which means it had qualities that made it look like how a soap opera does.

I havent looked at the footage in a very long time and so I could be wrong. Maybe it was shot on film (which gives it a completely different feel) but I doubt it.

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The short version it wa video versus film.

That choice causes the disaster that Prince left us w.r.t. great video archives.

Milty2 said:

rap said:

The quality of the footage from the New Year's Eve Concert looks substandard!

It was recorded on 3/4 inch tape which means it wasn't even HD. HD is at minimum 1280x720p but this would have been 640x480. Those are screen sizes. It's what they filmed TV with from the 70s until the 90s. And it was interlaced which means it had qualities that made it look like how a soap opera does.

I havent looked at the footage in a very long time and so I could be wrong. Maybe it was shot on film (which gives it a completely different feel) but I doubt it.

it was not recorded for release. Sadly many of the recordings are of similar quality. And I think it is likely that they chose from the better parts of the video for the ads.

We can look at the 1999 show and compair the image quality of "Do Me Baby" in Low Light with "1999" well lit... and kind of gadge the videos over all quality.

udo said:

Milty2 said:

It was recorded on 3/4 inch tape which means it wasn't even HD. HD is at minimum 1280x720p but this would have been 640x480. Those are screen sizes. It's what they filmed TV with from the 70s until the 90s. And it was interlaced which means it had qualities that made it look like how a soap opera does.

I havent looked at the footage in a very long time and so I could be wrong. Maybe it was shot on film (which gives it a completely different feel) but I doubt it.

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The short version it wa video versus film.

That choice causes the disaster that Prince left us w.r.t. great video archives.

Well the production cost and labour of documenting with film weighed down by the need for different lighting design for minimal exposure would have put a damper on his rate of performances.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Milty2 said:

It was recorded on 3/4 inch tape which means it wasn't even HD. HD is at minimum 1280x720p but this would have been 640x480. Those are screen sizes. It's what they filmed TV with from the 70s until the 90s. And it was interlaced which means it had qualities that made it look like how a soap opera does.

I havent looked at the footage in a very long time and so I could be wrong. Maybe it was shot on film (which gives it a completely different feel) but I doubt it.

it was not recorded for release. Sadly many of the recordings are of similar quality. And I think it is likely that they chose from the better parts of the video for the ads.

We can look at the 1999 show and compair the image quality of "Do Me Baby" in Low Light with "1999" well lit... and kind of gadge the videos over all quality.

How do you know? He changed his mind, often!

I've never been a huge fan of the "Revolution" time period of Prince's work as compared to others that were more formative to my years becoming a fan, but some of you seem pretty unhinged about this.

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What's become clear over the last 20 years on this site is that a lot of "fams" view themselves as in competition with former bandmates and muses. It's not Prince v. Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, it's you versus them.

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The two podcasts have been wonderful, and provide a great portrait of what went into these recordings. I appreciate all of the participants for telling the story.

BanishedBrian said:

I've never been a huge fan of the "Revolution" time period of Prince's work as compared to others that were more formative to my years becoming a fan, but some of you seem pretty unhinged about this.

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What's become clear over the last 20 years on this site is that a lot of "fams" view themselves as in competition with former bandmates and muses. It's not Prince v. Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, it's you versus them.

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The two podcasts have been wonderful, and provide a great portrait of what went into these recordings. I appreciate all of the participants for telling the story.

"Unhinged". You're kinda right.

BanishedBrian said:

I've never been a huge fan of the "Revolution" time period of Prince's work as compared to others that were more formative to my years becoming a fan, but some of you seem pretty unhinged about this.

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What's become clear over the last 20 years on this site is that a lot of "fams" view themselves as in competition with former bandmates and muses. It's not Prince v. Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, it's you versus them.

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The two podcasts have been wonderful, and provide a great portrait of what went into these recordings. I appreciate all of the participants for telling the story.

Great post. And so true. It's comical that some on these boards actually think they know more then those who were ACTUALLY there. Susannah's had Prince inside of her (damn, that sounds like a song title). And as such, she probably knows a shit ton more then those of you who are bashing her...Hell, they ALL know more then any of you in here...unless you were there during that time. Why is that so hard to comprehend? If they say something happened, then I have no evidence to say it didn't. Period. You all look silly trying to dispute shit you have no knowledge of. My goodness...

ThirdStrike said:

BanishedBrian said:

I've never been a huge fan of the "Revolution" time period of Prince's work as compared to others that were more formative to my years becoming a fan, but some of you seem pretty unhinged about this.

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What's become clear over the last 20 years on this site is that a lot of "fams" view themselves as in competition with former bandmates and muses. It's not Prince v. Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, it's you versus them.

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The two podcasts have been wonderful, and provide a great portrait of what went into these recordings. I appreciate all of the participants for telling the story.

Great post. And so true. It's comical that some on these boards actually think they know more then those who were ACTUALLY there. Susannah's had Prince inside of her (damn, that sounds like a song title). And as such, she probably knows a shit ton more then those of you who are bashing her...Hell, they ALL know more then any of you in here...unless you were there during that time. Why is that so hard to comprehend? If they say something happened, then I have no evidence to say it didn't. Period. You all look silly trying to dispute shit you have no knowledge of. My goodness...

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ALL.OF.THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

violetcrush said:

ThirdStrike said:

Great post. And so true. It's comical that some on these boards actually think they know more then those who were ACTUALLY there. Susannah's had Prince inside of her (damn, that sounds like a song title). And as such, she probably knows a shit ton more then those of you who are bashing her...Hell, they ALL know more then any of you in here...unless you were there during that time. Why is that so hard to comprehend? If they say something happened, then I have no evidence to say it didn't. Period. You all look silly trying to dispute shit you have no knowledge of. My goodness...

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ALL.OF.THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prince never talked about anything. He never liked anyone to talk too. Now that he's gone and people can talk the people on this list don't want to hear it. For decades the people on this site have been left to fantasize what happened. What is being said now doesn't match the fantasy. Sure he could have done things on his own. But masterbation can get old. It can be very satisfying to do it with others.

I give history talks all the time. At the start of my talks I say this is my take on it. I have my persective. Two people can be at an event. One loved it the other hated it. Both persectives are valid. But here is the thing...... NONE OF YOU WERE THERE!!!!!! So listen to these people. Get their perspective and move on. Debating all of this does make you look silly.

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PacManPlus said:

I love that Prince's favorite arcade game was Defender! I am in the middle of porting it to the Atari 7800. Very cool.

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For me, that's pretty awesome to hear. That was my favorite game to the point that I was a master at both Defender and Stargate. Pretty much I could play as long as I could stay awake.

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Those were the days. Play for as long as you could on one quarter.

violetcrush said:

tab32792 said:

Ahhhhh and there it is. That right there is the problem snd if you ain’t black you’ll never understand it. It shouldn’t matter but it does when a black artist is constantly discussed by non black journalists, podcasters, etc. They lack context that only a black person can provide. It’s also why nobody ever talks about or discusses Prince’s very black upbringing or his black influences. That is a problem. Yes we’re talking about sign o the times but from a lense that isn’t black. We have yet to hear about the real reason he disbanded the Revolution or took his art and control back. Or the very well known whispers of him losing his black audience and listeners, etc. so if we gonna talk about it, we gotta talk about all of it and from other perspectives. violetcrush said:

I agree with what you are expressing here. Although, we have to also remember that Prince himself chose and hired these people to work with him - Susan Rogers as one of his main Engineers, and Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, and Eric Leeds as his band members/backup singers during this time. So, white, yellow, brown black should NEVER factor in to this discussion. It shoud NOT matter at all, as clearly it did not matter to Prince during this time. He had both black and white musicians/band members/associates on his staff throughout his career until his passing. This just happens to be a period where he seemed to open up and allow more folks to be part of his recording process.

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In my opinion, they have all - espeically Susan Rogers - been able to contribute quite a bit of detail with the recordings and experiences during this time. Will they remember every minute of everyday? Of course not. However, I think they've been able to pull out some very interesting information on certain songs, recording sessions, etc. None of which we'd have without their input. So, for me, I am grateful and really enjoy listening to and/or reading about their experiences with Prince - both professinoal and personal.

Prince loved Wendy, Lisa, and Susannah, AND Susan Rogers. He ALWAYS had a mix of black and white musicians working for him. ALWAYS. Look at his first band. Three black, and three white musicians. Just like his musical influences were both black and white while he was growing up and learning music in MN. He himself had discussed this multiple times. He DID NOT want to be put into any type of category when it came to his musical style.

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Nobody talks about Prince's "black upbringing" or black musical influences?? You're joking right? I can't even count how many times the influences of James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix, and more have been discussed on this site, AND also publicly by Prince himself on many many occasions. It's ridiculous to state that his fans don't know or talk about those musicians as influences.

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AGAIN....the first two podcasts are focused on the time period LEADING UP TO Prince disbanding The Revolution and forming the SOTT band for the tour. I have no doubt they will be covering this, and also interviewing at least some of the band members to discuss rehearsals, the tour, and hopefully other details that have never been revealed.

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If you think The Revolution were not a funky band who supported Prince's funk/R&B roots then I think you need to listen agian to some of the live PR and Parade shows and rehearsals. Some seriously funky shit being played during those shows. Those musicians supported Prince in whatever direction he chose with his music. Prince made the descisions, not them. They just helped him move in the direction he wanted to go.

violetcrush said:

tab32792 said:

Ahhhhh and there it is. That right there is the problem snd if you ain’t black you’ll never understand it. It shouldn’t matter but it does when a black artist is constantly discussed by non black journalists, podcasters, etc. They lack context that only a black person can provide. It’s also why nobody ever talks about or discusses Prince’s very black upbringing or his black influences. That is a problem. Yes we’re talking about sign o the times but from a lense that isn’t black. We have yet to hear about the real reason he disbanded the Revolution or took his art and control back. Or the very well known whispers of him losing his black audience and listeners, etc. so if we gonna talk about it, we gotta talk about all of it and from other perspectives. violetcrush said:

Prince loved Wendy, Lisa, and Susannah, AND Susan Rogers. He ALWAYS had a mix of black and white musicians working for him. ALWAYS. Look at his first band. Three black, and three white musicians. Just like his musical influences were both black and white while he was growing up and learning music in MN. He himself had discussed this multiple times. He DID NOT want to be put into any type of category when it came to his musical style.

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Nobody talks about Prince's "black upbringing" or black musical influences?? You're joking right? I can't even count how many times the influences of James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix, and more have been discussed on this site, AND also publicly by Prince himself on many many occasions. It's ridiculous to state that his fans don't know or talk about those musicians as influences.

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AGAIN....the first two podcasts are focused on the time period LEADING UP TO Prince disbanding The Revolution and forming the SOTT band for the tour. I have no doubt they will be covering this, and also interviewing at least some of the band members to discuss rehearsals, the tour, and hopefully other details that have never been revealed.

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If you think The Revolution were not a funky band who supported Prince's funk/R&B roots then I think you need to listen agian to some of the live PR and Parade shows and rehearsals. Some seriously funky shit being played during those shows. Those musicians supported Prince in whatever direction he chose with his music. Prince made the descisions, not them. They just helped him move in the direction he wanted to go.

Prince, 1985 MTV interview:

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"I strive for originality in my work, and hopefully it'll be perceived that way."

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Question: "Some people have criticized you for selling out to the white rock audience, and leaving your black listeners behind. How do you respond to that?"

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Prince: "Oh come on. Come on!. (jokingly) Cuff Links like this cost money, okay? Let's be frank. Can we be frank? If we can't be nothing else we can be frank, kay? Seriously, um, I was brought up in a black and white world. And, yes, black and white. Night and day.Rich and poor. Black and white, and I listened to all kinds of music when I was young. And when I was younger I always said that one day I was gonna play all kinds of music, and not be judged for the color of my skin, but the quality of my work. Hopefully that will continue. I think there are a lot of people out there that understand this, cause they support me and my habits, and support them and theirs."

LEATHRSAIL said:

violetcrush said:

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ALL.OF.THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prince never talked about anything. He never liked anyone to talk too. Now that he's gone and people can talk the people on this list don't want to hear it. For decades the people on this site have been left to fantasize what happened. What is being said now doesn't match the fantasy. Sure he could have done things on his own. But masterbation can get old. It can be very satisfying to do it with others.

I give history talks all the time. At the start of my talks I say this is my take on it. I have my persective. Two people can be at an event. One loved it the other hated it. Both persectives are valid. But here is the thing...... NONE OF YOU WERE THERE!!!!!! So listen to these people. Get their perspective and move on. Debating all of this does make you look silly.

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DAMN STRAIGHT LEATHRSAIL!!!!

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As frustrating as it is to read the ridiculous posts - time and time again - from fans who never knew or worked with Prince AT ALL, let alone back in the mid 1980's - I do get some laughs from them as well. Just many "shake my head" moments everytime on every thread like this.

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I imagine these associates do the same thing when or if they see some of this stuff. I have no doubt that Prince would get a kick out of reading some of these threads - and we know he did, because prince.org was found on his PC search content

alright you guys. stop slacking, it's time to get serious.

i'm going to sleep. when i wake up i want to see the Episode 3 thread meet our quotas! that means at least 2 pages of Wendy and Lisa bashing. I'll know we're on pace if we can meet that goal, let's go do this thing.

I'm counting on you...

lustmealways said:

alright you guys. stop slacking, it's time to get serious.

i'm going to sleep. when i wake up i want to see the Episode 3 thread meet our quotas! that means at least 2 pages of Wendy and Lisa bashing. I'll know we're on pace if we can meet that goal, let's go do this thing.

I'm counting on you...

I don't think Wendy and Lisa are part of Episode 3 at all. Oh wait, nevermind....folks 'round these parts will still find a way to bash them on the new thread anyway

BlueShakooo said:

violetcrush said:

Here is what Miko has to say from his facebok account about the podcasts. He was in the Revolution too right? He was also in the SOTT band? Why wouldn't we take his word for it too?

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

he was never a jerk during my time with him!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

not all true if you were in the room like I have been

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

This is all so funny for me! I'm there since 1983 and know much more than what I've read by people who weren't in the same room including past engineers. Which many times on many tracks I've seen only himself working the controls that the engineers set up and then asked to leave! Many have forgotten that I was actually there with him

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

it was all him! Others where just others! People crying now mega years late? Pat's on the back bullshit! I'm sad because he can't tell his side of the story but I can but don't want to call folks liars!

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

confirmed? By a witness or a book? I'm sorry to say that he has told me things directly to my face! Maybe you too as well?

Miko Mixamillion Weaver

Why should anyone care about credits unless one's ego needs feeding and a pat on the funking back!

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