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Reply #30 posted 07/06/20 5:05pm

lavendardrumma
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jaawwnn said:

LoveGalore said:

lavendardrummachine said: The overreach is more subtle and petty, it doesn't even need to be a story. Just another microaggression meant to insinuate herself into Prince's creative mind. Further, they were the ones who left first and the man likely was quite hurt and embarrassed by that so if he didn't invite them to the jam session then oh the fuck well. Guess their attempt at 4D chess-ing their way into his writing process backfired and he began writing his best material when they weren't around.

What is this utter nonsense??

Nothing is contradicted here. They heard Prince play a new song he was writing, probably for the 4 millionth time. That's the whole story.

Sure we have a soundcheck of Raspberry Beret in 1982/3 where Prince is calling out the chord changes as the band are playing the song. Dude wrote a lot of songs. Sometimes he took pieces of music from other people (Jungle Love, Belle of St Mark, Mountains) and fleshed them out into full songs. How is any of this controversial??

[Edited 7/6/20 4:57am]


You seem to be replying to somene else but quoting my use of the word contradiction.

Someone already detailed the context of this.

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Reply #31 posted 07/06/20 5:30pm

imprimis

Prince was first acquainted with the Fairlight CMI III in April 1985. Its use on Parade was very sound library-oriented and refreshing, and more preset-y in the 1986-1988 eras.

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I suspect the very explicit timing of this story reflects a soundcheck that is now circulating on a limited basis.

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[Edited 7/6/20 17:37pm]

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Reply #32 posted 07/07/20 2:18am

JorisE73

lavendardrummachine said:

Why would he be soundchecking without them? He was already doing sessions without the Revolution at that point? The story just raised a lot of questions.


Prince wasa known to have his hotelrooms fitted for recording or have a piano installed and he was known to always be early at venues the day of a concert to soundcheck, rehearse and work on whatever he was working on in his hotelroom the night before. So this isn't anything out of the ordinary.

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Reply #33 posted 07/07/20 2:45am

jaawwnn

imprimis said:

Prince was first acquainted with the Fairlight CMI III in April 1985. Its use on Parade was very sound library-oriented and refreshing, and more preset-y in the 1986-1988 eras.

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I suspect the very explicit timing of this story reflects a soundcheck that is now circulating on a limited basis..

I see.



muleFunk said:

I have mad respect for the music of Wendy and Lisa but it's a bit ironic that on a song that does not feature her or the Revolution that this is mentioned.

I have no reason to believe she is lying but it does lead one to question the motive.

These type of stories just highlight what one post Revolution band member said to me in regards to attention whoring by members of the Revolution after Prince's death.

Well listen, maybe i'm missing the context here but what I'm reading myself is a story about how a person heard a song/groove. I see nothing about claiming authorship or influence, just "here's when i first heard a song," i don't get how this is controversial, nor do I see some underhanded motive that you clearly see.

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Reply #34 posted 07/07/20 5:49am

LoveGalore

jaawwnn said:



imprimis said:


Prince was first acquainted with the Fairlight CMI III in April 1985. Its use on Parade was very sound library-oriented and refreshing, and more preset-y in the 1986-1988 eras.


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I suspect the very explicit timing of this story reflects a soundcheck that is now circulating on a limited basis..




I see.






muleFunk said:



I have mad respect for the music of Wendy and Lisa but it's a bit ironic that on a song that does not feature her or the Revolution that this is mentioned.



I have no reason to believe she is lying but it does lead one to question the motive.



These type of stories just highlight what one post Revolution band member said to me in regards to attention whoring by members of the Revolution after Prince's death.



Well listen, maybe i'm missing the context here but what I'm reading myself is a story about how a person heard a song/groove. I see nothing about claiming authorship or influence, just "here's when i first heard a song," i don't get how this is controversial, nor do I see some underhanded motive that you clearly see.



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Reply #35 posted 07/07/20 6:06am

jaawwnn

LoveGalore said:

jaawwnn said:

Well listen, maybe i'm missing the context here but what I'm reading myself is a story about how a person heard a song/groove. I see nothing about claiming authorship or influence, just "here's when i first heard a song," i don't get how this is controversial, nor do I see some underhanded motive that you clearly see.



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Reply #36 posted 07/07/20 7:03am

savagedreams

lavendardrummachine said:

Why would he be soundchecking without them? He was already doing sessions without the Revolution at that point? The story just raised a lot of questions.

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first of all, you soundcheck instruments individually before hearing the whole band. you dont just turn the whole band on and try to figure it all out. secondly, they were just arriving for the soundcheck. does it really surprise you Prince would be first?

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Reply #37 posted 07/07/20 7:49am

tab32792

The accuracy here is astounding




LoveGalore said:

jaawwnn said:



imprimis said:


Prince was first acquainted with the Fairlight CMI III in April 1985. Its use on Parade was very sound library-oriented and refreshing, and more preset-y in the 1986-1988 eras.


.


I suspect the very explicit timing of this story reflects a soundcheck that is now circulating on a limited basis..




I see.






muleFunk said:



I have mad respect for the music of Wendy and Lisa but it's a bit ironic that on a song that does not feature her or the Revolution that this is mentioned.



I have no reason to believe she is lying but it does lead one to question the motive.



These type of stories just highlight what one post Revolution band member said to me in regards to attention whoring by members of the Revolution after Prince's death.



Well listen, maybe i'm missing the context here but what I'm reading myself is a story about how a person heard a song/groove. I see nothing about claiming authorship or influence, just "here's when i first heard a song," i don't get how this is controversial, nor do I see some underhanded motive that you clearly see.



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Reply #38 posted 07/07/20 9:27am

OldFriends4Sal
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muleFunk said:

I have mad respect for the music of Wendy and Lisa but it's a bit ironic that on a song that does not feature her or the Revolution that this is mentioned.

I have no reason to believe she is lying but it does lead one to question the motive.

These type of stories just highlight what one post Revolution band member said to me in regards to attention whoring by members of the Revolution after Prince's death.

So they cannot talk about the SOTT album or music?

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Reply #39 posted 07/07/20 11:28am

RJOrion

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Reply #40 posted 07/07/20 11:36am

lavendardrumma
chine

savagedreams said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Why would he be soundchecking without them? He was already doing sessions without the Revolution at that point? The story just raised a lot of questions.

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first of all, you soundcheck instruments individually before hearing the whole band. you dont just turn the whole band on and try to figure it all out. secondly, they were just arriving for the soundcheck. does it really surprise you Prince would be first?


Read through the rest of the thread.

Prince did a lot of extra stuff at soundchecks, but what you're describing is not how the soundcheck portion of a soundcheck would go. We could talk about that but it's getting off topic.

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Reply #41 posted 07/07/20 11:46am

LoveGalore

OldFriends4Sale said:



muleFunk said:



I have mad respect for the music of Wendy and Lisa but it's a bit ironic that on a song that does not feature her or the Revolution that this is mentioned.



I have no reason to believe she is lying but it does lead one to question the motive.



These type of stories just highlight what one post Revolution band member said to me in regards to attention whoring by members of the Revolution after Prince's death.




So they cannot talk about the SOTT album or music?





I mean, can anyone? Why are you honing in on me as if I said anything injurious. Relax.
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Reply #42 posted 07/07/20 12:12pm

OldFriends4Sal
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LoveGalore said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

So they cannot talk about the SOTT album or music?

I mean, can anyone? Why are you honing in on me as if I said anything injurious. Relax.


LOL Did you just tell on yourself????

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Reply #43 posted 07/07/20 12:14pm

LoveGalore

OldFriends4Sale said:



LoveGalore said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



So they cannot talk about the SOTT album or music?





I mean, can anyone? Why are you honing in on me as if I said anything injurious. Relax.


LOL Did you just tell on yourself????



No? You snipped my post????
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Reply #44 posted 07/07/20 12:18pm

OldFriends4Sal
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LoveGalore said:

OldFriends4Sale said:


LOL Did you just tell on yourself????

No? You snipped my post????

why did you reply to my post to MuleFunk?

you said: Why are you honing in on me as if I said anything injurious. Relax.

.

I wasn't 'honing in on you' I was not talking to you. So why would you reply to a post that wasn't about you or directed at you... get it?

[Edited 7/7/20 20:37pm]

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Reply #45 posted 07/07/20 1:15pm

LoveGalore

OldFriends4Sale said:



LoveGalore said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



LOL Did you just tell on yourself????



No? You snipped my post????


why did you reply to my post to MuleFunk?



How else would I reply to you? The snip doesn't exactly provide a good path that engagement.

In any event, we have two ongoing threads about Wendy right now. Perhaps some people just gotta deal with the fact not everyone is into them. So? It doesn't hurt anyone and nothing here so far has broken rules other than arbitrary ones.

And on the note people mention about folks who don't know W&L having an opinion on them: the people that know them have opinions too and they share them as well. Are we supposed to pile onto a Jill Jones post to be able to express skepticism about Wendy's intentions when overreach is a constant issue with her?

For that matter, why would these posts be allowed here and not sequestered to the associated artist area? Bart knows the rules here, don't he?
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Reply #46 posted 07/07/20 1:25pm

muleFunk

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OldFriends4Sale said:

muleFunk said:

I have mad respect for the music of Wendy and Lisa but it's a bit ironic that on a song that does not feature her or the Revolution that this is mentioned.

I have no reason to believe she is lying but it does lead one to question the motive.

These type of stories just highlight what one post Revolution band member said to me in regards to attention whoring by members of the Revolution after Prince's death.

So they cannot talk about the SOTT album or music?

They can reply to whatever they want to but that's my point.

The Prince World didn't revolve around Wendy and Lisa.

Next she'll say I heard 7 when we were on the Purple Rain tour.

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Reply #47 posted 07/07/20 1:48pm

ForceofNature

The Prince world also doesn't revolve around fans saying what Wendy or Lisa did or didn't exprience or were there for. There is nothing here being said that is out of line

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Reply #48 posted 07/07/20 1:52pm

tab32792

Lol this thread is funny cause mods are wendy and lisa lovers so if you say anything about them, it's a problem. and like them, act as if P did nothing significant before or after. preference is one thing but it's crazy. the Revolution can tour a month after Prince is turned to ashes but let sheila e run a tribute or mayte (who was actually married to P) write a book, theyr'e opportunists.

keep the same energy. selective outrage is something else.

Wendy and Lisa are and were great/wonderful/fantastic musicians but they are not the end all be all and P doesn't owe his 40 year career to them

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Reply #49 posted 07/07/20 1:55pm

tab32792

muleFunk said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

So they cannot talk about the SOTT album or music?

They can reply to whatever they want to but that's my point.

The Prince World didn't revolve around Wendy and Lisa.

Next she'll say I heard 7 when we were on the Purple Rain tour.

lol i don't think the problem is them talking about the music. the timing is just convenient. Sign is all the talk right now and the super deluxe is coming. they're about to start their "it's a Revolution album" campaign.

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Reply #50 posted 07/07/20 2:18pm

ForceofNature

tab32792 said:

muleFunk said:

They can reply to whatever they want to but that's my point.

The Prince World didn't revolve around Wendy and Lisa.

Next she'll say I heard 7 when we were on the Purple Rain tour.

lol i don't think the problem is them talking about the music. the timing is just convenient. Sign is all the talk right now and the super deluxe is coming. they're about to start their "it's a Revolution album" campaign.

I think that for this interview, it was more them simply adding their personal experience to give the fans little tidbits in relation to the album and songs that are going to be focused on with the SOTT era

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Reply #51 posted 07/07/20 2:54pm

RJOrion

tab32792 said:

Lol this thread is funny cause mods are wendy and lisa lovers so if you say anything about them, it's a problem. and like them, act as if P did nothing significant before or after. preference is one thing but it's crazy. the Revolution can tour a month after Prince is turned to ashes but let sheila e run a tribute or mayte (who was actually married to P) write a book, theyr'e opportunists.




keep the same energy. selective outrage is something else.




Wendy and Lisa are and were great/wonderful/fantastic musicians but they are not the end all be all and P doesn't owe his 40 year career to them



word.
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Reply #52 posted 07/07/20 2:54pm

muleFunk

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tab32792 said:

muleFunk said:

They can reply to whatever they want to but that's my point.

The Prince World didn't revolve around Wendy and Lisa.

Next she'll say I heard 7 when we were on the Purple Rain tour.

lol i don't think the problem is them talking about the music. the timing is just convenient. Sign is all the talk right now and the super deluxe is coming. they're about to start their "it's a Revolution album" campaign.

This^^^^

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Reply #53 posted 07/07/20 3:04pm

RJOrion

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Reply #54 posted 07/07/20 3:12pm

muleFunk

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Now what I would love to hear from them is the development of All My Dreams and In A Large Room.

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Reply #55 posted 07/07/20 3:23pm

OldFriends4Sal
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tab32792 said:

Lol this thread is funny cause mods are wendy and lisa lovers so if you say anything about them, it's a problem. and like them, act as if P did nothing significant before or after. preference is one thing but it's crazy. the Revolution can tour a month after Prince is turned to ashes but let sheila e run a tribute or mayte (who was actually married to P) write a book, theyr'e opportunists.

keep the same energy. selective outrage is something else.

Wendy and Lisa are and were great/wonderful/fantastic musicians but they are not the end all be all and P doesn't owe his 40 year career to them

stupide


There is a difference between flaming a thread and actually non-emotionally biased posts.
Most of you are flaming the thread, based not on real information but your emotional bias or phobias.
And yes I already made statement about flaming the thread.

Clearly time for a bunch of you to get back to work school or both

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