CAL3 said:

authorbest said:

I've been listening to this album, 'Come' a lot lately. I think it is one of his best.

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You may personally LIKE the songs on this grotesquerie, of course. Heck, I LIKE some of these songs ("Papa" and "Dark" are the two champs).

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But one thing it cannot possibly be is "one of his best." There is a world of difference between a personal "favorite" and an objective "best."

Solo, Letitgo, Pheremone too. All of them actually.

There is no "objective" in determining "best". It is all "subjective". So your preference is just as valid as mine.


Unless you use "objective" things like sales count as "best". Then we are talking about Purple Rain.

I guess, I'm coming (no pun intended) from the perspective that all Prince music was him trying to communicate something, and not necessarily to his audience. I understand this album from the perspective of what he was trying to communicate with this album. That is why I consider it one of his best.

I was prepared not to like this album. But I did what Prince did. I got in my car in the middle of the night and drove around listening to it over and over. That is how I came to like it.

But I repect your opinion.

CAL3 said:

But let's establish something... at the time of its release, "Come" was the shoddiest excuse for an album Prince had ever cobbled together. It was - and remains - a sonic skidmark.

^^^^THIS...even though n time it has recieved more recognition for the matarieal, but overall, this was a terrible release with lackluster material (as you stated) at the time. Which made GOLD so refreshing after this.

stephaniebrown said:

CAL3 said:

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One man's meat is another man's poison.

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But let's establish something... at the time of its release, "Come" was the shoddiest excuse for an album Prince had ever cobbled together. It was - and remains - a sonic skidmark.

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As for Bobby Brown, the song the other poster was reminded of was "on Our Own" from Ghostbusters 2.

See, what you have there regarding the Come album is an opinion. And of course everyone is entitled to their opinions. But you seem to be presenting it as fact. I happen to think your opinion is a literary skidmark, but I'll present it as an opinion and respect your opinion as such. (I love the Come album by the way. Apparently "sonic skidmark" is a new genre that I need to explore.)

I like the Come album also...

The Gold Experience is the shit album.

Come was brilliant.

All three parties--Prince, WB and the media marketed one of these releases as a fall-from-grace and the other as his "best work since Purple Rain" or whatever, "return to former glory" blah blah. The problem is people latching on to that intentional marketing designation as absolute fact. Come aged like fine wine and Gold aged like sour milk... Prince merely turning on his distortion pedal does not make a good album. I don't care what you all felt in 1994. In 2020 after the dust has settled, Come is the superior release, hands-down.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

The Gold Experience is the shit album.

Come was brilliant.

CAL3 said:

authorbest said:

I've been listening to this album, 'Come' a lot lately. I think it is one of his best.

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You may personally LIKE the songs on this grotesquerie, of course. Heck, I LIKE some of these songs ("Papa" and "Dark" are the two champs).

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But one thing it cannot possibly be is "one of his best." There is a world of difference between a personal "favorite" and an objective "best."

Those are the best songs on the album, but the album is very cohesive sonically speaking. What's My Name is part of these sessions?

WhisperingDandelions said:

The Gold Experience is the shit album.

Come was brilliant.

All three parties--Prince, WB and the media marketed one of these releases as a fall-from-grace and the other as his "best work since Purple Rain" or whatever, "return to former glory" blah blah. The problem is people latching on to that intentional marketing designation as absolute fact. Come aged like fine wine and Gold aged like sour milk... Prince merely turning on his distortion pedal does not make a good album. I don't care what you all felt in 1994. In 2020 after the dust has settled, Come is the superior release, hands-down.

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'Gold' has certainly not aged well at all. "Shit album" is stretching the point.

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But 'Come,' that album is an insult to his fanbase, and an unfortunate stain on his legacy. It's a real turning point in his career.

CAL3 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

The Gold Experience is the shit album.

Come was brilliant.

All three parties--Prince, WB and the media marketed one of these releases as a fall-from-grace and the other as his "best work since Purple Rain" or whatever, "return to former glory" blah blah. The problem is people latching on to that intentional marketing designation as absolute fact. Come aged like fine wine and Gold aged like sour milk... Prince merely turning on his distortion pedal does not make a good album. I don't care what you all felt in 1994. In 2020 after the dust has settled, Come is the superior release, hands-down.

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'Gold' has certainly not aged well at all. "Shit album" is stretching the point.

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But 'Come,' that album is an insult to his fanbase, and an unfortunate stain on his legacy. It's a real turning point in his career.

Nah. Disagree. I was blasting the shit out of Come in my car stereo back in the 90's . The Gold Experience sucks.

On topic though, I'm a Steely Dan fan and I don't hear the OPs comparison to "Deacon Blues".

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dannyd5050 said:

CAL3 said:

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'Gold' has certainly not aged well at all. "Shit album" is stretching the point.

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But 'Come,' that album is an insult to his fanbase, and an unfortunate stain on his legacy. It's a real turning point in his career.

Nah. Disagree. I was blasting the shit out of Come in my car stereo back in the 90's . The Gold Experience sucks.

On topic though, I'm a Steely Dan fan and I don't hear the OPs comparison to "Deacon Blues".

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Hey, it's cool if you PERSONALLY ENJOY the 'Come' album - Hell, I was blasting it at full volume, windows down, bass turned up, people looking at me funny, too! FOR A WEEK STRAIGHT, last month!

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But that doesn't make it a great album!

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Perspective! Objectivity! Realism! Please VALUE these attributes and try to KEEP IT REAL

2freaky4church1 said:

jjam said:

2freaky4church1 said:

We caught you purple Gawd. That melody line on Letitgo, a cop from the Dan song Deacon Blues. You know u hear it. smile. We forgive u P

You must be on some good PCP.

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And thats when he's "clean"

Galaxy said:

2freaky4church1 said:

We caught you purple Gawd. That melody line on Letitgo, a cop from the Dan song Deacon Blues. You know u hear it. smile. We forgive u P

Letitgo sounds nothing like Steely Dan Deacon Blues. I just dont hear the similarities I think this thread was created for a joke.

All the more obvious as the OP didn't come back to the thread and never gave the time mark I asked him (or her?) for.

funkaholic1972 said:

CAL3 said:

dodger said:

CAL3 said:

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Hey, it's cool if you PERSONALLY ENJOY the 'Come' album - Hell, I was blasting it at full volume, windows down, bass turned up, people looking at me funny, too! FOR A WEEK STRAIGHT, last month!

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But that doesn't make it a great album!

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Perspective! Objectivity! Realism! Please VALUE these attributes and try to KEEP IT REAL

An album with the likes of Space and Dark on cannot be a 'stain on his legacy.' . So much for perspective and keepin it real. . I agree he could have give WB a couple of stronger tracks and dropped Orgasm but these were songs he was playing live, made videos for and put in The Beautiful Experience movie. . I'm not saying it's one of his best but it's certainly not a 'stain on his legacy.' In my humble opinion

Indeed.

RJOrion said:

Come is WAY better than The Gold Experience...not even close...it took me a few years to appreciate Come, but its aged very well...other than Shy and TMBGITW, "Gold" is a skip-fest

Yes, and What's My Name could have made this a better album

I picked up on the link to Deacon Blue many years ago, not for the music but the lyrics: -

"...I cried when I wrote this song,
sue me if I play too long..."

"...I was dreamin' when I wrote this,

so sue me if I go too fast..."

I've always loved Steely Dan, and always thought Prince would have dug them too. Brilliant prog rock/jazz fusion band.

machinegun said:

I picked up on the link to Deacon Blue many years ago, not for the music but the lyrics: -

"...I cried when I wrote this song,
sue me if I play too long..."

"...I was dreamin' when I wrote this,

so sue me if I go too fast..."

I've always loved Steely Dan, and always thought Prince would have dug them too. Brilliant prog rock/jazz fusion band.

"...I was dreamin' when I wrote this,

so sue me if I go too fast..."

Do you mean another song? These lyrics are not from LetItGo. There are lyrics somewhat like this at the beginning of 1999. Is that what you mean?

"I was dreamin' when I wrote this, forgive me if it goes astray..." 1999

There could be some borrowing from Steely Dan. I find with Prince borrow usually had a purpose. Maybe he was trying to reference the Steel Dan song for some reason.

authorbest said:

machinegun said:

I picked up on the link to Deacon Blue many years ago, not for the music but the lyrics: -

"...I cried when I wrote this song,
sue me if I play too long..."

"...I was dreamin' when I wrote this,

so sue me if I go too fast..."

I've always loved Steely Dan, and always thought Prince would have dug them too. Brilliant prog rock/jazz fusion band.

"...I was dreamin' when I wrote this,

so sue me if I go too fast..."

Do you mean another song? These lyrics are not from LetItGo. There are lyrics somewhat like this at the beginning of 1999. Is that what you mean?

"I was dreamin' when I wrote this, forgive me if it goes astray..." 1999

There could be some borrowing from Steely Dan. I find with Prince borrow usually had a purpose. Maybe he was trying to reference the Steel Dan song for some reason.

Yes, not to Letitgo, but 1999. Those are the lines from the 2nd verse...very similar to the lines in Deacon Blue really, same structure and pattern and close with the meaning. Just swap crying for dreaming, and too long for too fast.

dodger said:

CAL3 said:

And beyond “opinion” let’s not forget the fact that Prince KNOWINGLY, INTENTIONALLY, WILLFULLY issued a deliberately subpar album with “Come.” It is THE LINE IN THE SAND that marked the point at which Prince’s career took a sharp and irreparable turn SOUTH. That’s it. Let us NOT mince words. Forget specifics songs peole don’t care for, forget the addition of Tony M and the depressing conventionality and ORDINARINESS that marked much of Diamonds & Pearls. . “Come” found Prince not caring that he slopped together a bunch of mostly lackluster tracks and called it an album. It is a WATERSHED event in his career and marks the airing of grievances with his label SUPERSEDING his heretofore meticulously maintained artistic standards. .

Eh I already tackled this "point" in my post awhile back... you're just proving that his intentional marketing (which only existed to hulk up his upcoming symbol-debut Gold) dictated fans perspective before they ever heard the opening notes of Come.

Come was like the last Prince album I ever heard because all the reviews/mentions are exactly like yours--bursting with grandstanding hyperbolic declarations of mediocity without once making specific mention to any actual sounds or music or why it's so inferior to his other work musically. The only typical talking-point you missed was highlighting the cover art... again, another "musical" perspective.

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CAL3 said:

In my not-so-humble opinion I must reassert that I am maintaining perspective. . And beyond “opinion” let’s not forget the fact that Prince KNOWINGLY, INTENTIONALLY, WILLFULLY issued a deliberately subpar album with “Come.” It is THE LINE IN THE SAND that marked the point at which Prince’s career took a sharp and irreparable turn SOUTH. That’s it. Let us NOT mince words. Forget specifics songs peole don’t care for, forget the addition of Tony M and the depressing conventionality and ORDINARINESS that marked much of Diamonds & Pearls. . “Come” found Prince not caring that he slopped together a bunch of mostly lackluster tracks and called it an album. It is a WATERSHED event in his career and marks the airing of grievances with his label SUPERSEDING his heretofore meticulously maintained artistic standards. .

You're right in the sense that Prince clearly saw Come as slapped together and "more of the same", whilst The Gold Experience was supposed to be a break with the past, both in style and production. But as fans we're not obliged to see things the way Prince did. For example, Prince presumably thought Graffiti Bridge was a good film, yet I don't see many people here defending it.

Maybe it's true that The Gold Experience is the more significant album because of what it represents, but that doesn't change the fact that I prefer Come. The Gold Experience sounds overproduced and cheesy nowadays (the production improved on Emancipation, though it was still a bit much). As an album opener, P Control is perhaps more 'interesting' than Come, both thematically ("Prince does feminism") and because he'd never begun a record with a track based purely on rap, but it's fair to say that Come is the more complex and competently-executed piece. And the truth is that, for an album that Prince saw as uninspired and throwaway, Pheromone, Space and Solo at the very least are all songs that sound remarkably different from everything he'd done before. To clarify, I don't hate The Gold Experience -in fact I like quite a few of the songs, and love a couple of them-, but you get what I'm trying to say.

WhisperingDandelions said:

CAL3 said:

And beyond “opinion” let’s not forget the fact that Prince KNOWINGLY, INTENTIONALLY, WILLFULLY issued a deliberately subpar album with “Come.” It is THE LINE IN THE SAND that marked the point at which Prince’s career took a sharp and irreparable turn SOUTH. That’s it. Let us NOT mince words. Forget specifics songs peole don’t care for, forget the addition of Tony M and the depressing conventionality and ORDINARINESS that marked much of Diamonds & Pearls. . “Come” found Prince not caring that he slopped together a bunch of mostly lackluster tracks and called it an album. It is a WATERSHED event in his career and marks the airing of grievances with his label SUPERSEDING his heretofore meticulously maintained artistic standards. .

Eh I already tackled this "point" in my post awhile back... you're just proving that his intentional marketing (which only existed to hulk up his upcoming symbol-debut Gold) dictated fans perspective before they ever heard the opening notes of Come.

Come was like the last Prince album I ever heard because all the reviews/mentions are exactly like yours--bursting with grandstanding hyperbolic declarations of mediocity without once making specific mention to any actual sounds or music or why it's so inferior to his other work musically. The only typical talking-point you missed was highlighting the cover art... again, another "musical" perspective.

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THIS.

Sonically and even lyrically Come is very cohesive, and it sounds well produced unlike The Gold Experience.

slyjackson said:

Sonically and even lyrically Come is very cohesive, and it sounds well produced unlike The Gold Experience.

that is surely true. But there are dead whales on it like Solo and Orgasm which totally destroy the album as a whole. I loathe segues but i take the Gold-segues above the dead whales anytime.

TheFman said:

slyjackson said:

Sonically and even lyrically Come is very cohesive, and it sounds well produced unlike The Gold Experience.

that is surely true. But there are dead whales on it like Solo and Orgasm which totally destroy the album as a whole. I loathe segues but i take the Gold-segues above the dead whales anytime.

I like Solo, but agree on Orgasm.