OldFriends4Sale said:

datdude said:

because racism....

too easy

and of couse 4 pages in you know someone already said that.

The crowd also had African-American fans...

People-fans don't usually like artists who they think imitate their hero.

I might boo Ready For the World if they were made to open for Prince back then

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

datdude said:

because racism....

too easy

and of couse 4 pages in you know someone already said that.

The crowd also had African-American fans...

People-fans don't usually like artists who they think imitate their hero.

I might boo Ready For the World if they were made to open for Prince back then

Underrated observation. The industry segregated it's acts by genre and format, so people had a hard time wrapping their heads around going to a "Rock Show" and seeing anything that didn't fit.

That's why Run-DMC was groundbreaking, and when their tours got a rock crowd it was notable at the time. Lollapalooza was considered groundbreaking for it's lineups for the same reason.

mydrawers said:

The Rolling Stones have had a black bass player for almost 30 YEARS.

So, no.

Not until years after Prince opened, in the early 90's....

....and you can count the success of Prince, MJ, and The Boss for that even happening (and to a lesser extent, groups like Talking Heads, etc.). Mind you, it was a step backwards given Sly and The Family Stone and many others existed.

I just found the poster for the concert and Prince isnt even listed.

But for some reason I cannot post pics anymore.

It says J Geils and George Thorogood but no Prince.

I doubt he would have been the last act before the RS if he wasnt even listed on the line-up? Or maybe that is why he was booed? The audience wasnt expecting an unknown band right before the RS came out?

lavendardrummachine said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

too easy

and of couse 4 pages in you know someone already said that.

The crowd also had African-American fans...

People-fans don't usually like artists who they think imitate their hero.

I might boo Ready For the World if they were made to open for Prince back then

Underrated observation. The industry segregated it's acts by genre and format, so people had a hard time wrapping their heads around going to a "Rock Show" and seeing anything that didn't fit.

That's why Run-DMC was groundbreaking, and when their tours got a rock crowd it was notable at the time. Lollapalooza was considered groundbreaking for it's lineups for the same reason.

But that wasn't the point being made. The oppposite, in fact. Oldfriends is comparing acts that sound exactly alike and that's reason enough to boo an opener. Not sure how it fits here as anything but a nonsequitur, since Prince sounds nothing like the Stones. Both observations hold water, but only one makes sense in this situation.

That said, rock fans were able to appreciate different genres as openers back in the day. Miles Davis opened for Neil Young and Steve Miller, lols. And killed it, apparently...though, he did Miller wrong by showing up late so Miller would have to go on first .

RJOrion said:

because he was black.

THIS

PliablyPurple said:

But that wasn't the point being made.

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That said, rock fans were able to appreciate different genres as openers back in the day. Miles Davis opened for Neil Young and Steve Miller, lols. And killed it, apparently...though, he did Miller wrong by showing up late so Miller would have to go on first .

I maybe misread that then, yeah.


As for Miles, those shows were 1970, not 1981. Huge difference. I know it doesn't seem like it should have been, but it was.

I also see people naming bands that opened for the Stones like Living Color....but that was also a different era.

All I know is that Sherly Crow opened up for the Rollingstones and she was exciting as watching paint dry and nobody threw anything at her. Although, half the audience was busy getting booze.

'Never understood'?

How are you coping in this world?

Poeple do have tastes and preferences and such...

This is my take:

-Drunk, stoned, immature, impatient, sub-criminal (HA) fans-

-These aggressive (likely uneducated etc) fans, not able to appreciate/comprehend a more 'avant-guarde' artist such as Prince (and did not want to)

-George Thorogood, J. Geils are more similar to the Stones; Bluesy-Rock

PliablyPurple said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Underrated observation. The industry segregated it's acts by genre and format, so people had a hard time wrapping their heads around going to a "Rock Show" and seeing anything that didn't fit.

That's why Run-DMC was groundbreaking, and when their tours got a rock crowd it was notable at the time. Lollapalooza was considered groundbreaking for it's lineups for the same reason.

But that wasn't the point being made. The oppposite, in fact. Oldfriends is comparing acts that sound exactly alike and that's reason enough to boo an opener. Not sure how it fits here as anything but a nonsequitur, since Prince sounds nothing like the Stones. Both observations hold water, but only one makes sense in this situation.

That said, rock fans were able to appreciate different genres as openers back in the day. Miles Davis opened for Neil Young and Steve Miller, lols. And killed it, apparently...though, he did Miller wrong by showing up late so Miller would have to go on first .

I didn't say 'sound alike'. Prince's visual style in my opinion, was very much like Mick Jagger...

Ready for the World tried too hard to look like(and sound like) a Prince protege group. Which of course many people thought for a minute.

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But also, Prince live, would sound more like the Stones, than the albums releases. A lot of songs cranked a rock driven sound to them.

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I remember people giving Sheila E shit in 1985 for 'copying' Prince. They didn't realize she was his protege. But even in some magazine reviews of her show, she was tore up for 'trying to be like Prince'

Indeed, you used the word "imitate," which is vague enough to refer to both sound, look, anything, really. Either, way, outside of some basic rock n roll tenets of sound and look that are common amongst rock frontpersons, I don't see much similarity in their games.

Re: RFTW, plenty of Prince fans at the time, including myself, were down with RFTW even if they were Prince ripoffs.

PliablyPurple said:

Indeed, you used the word "imitate," which is vague enough to refer to both sound, look, anything, really. Either, way, outside of some basic rock n roll tenets of sound and look that are common amongst rock frontpersons, I don't see much similarity in their games.

Re: RFTW, plenty of Prince fans at the time, including myself, were down with RFTW even if they were Prince ripoffs.

Have you heard the show? Prince opening?

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I think i was so pro Prince camp and understood what he was doing and didn't like the idea of 'their sound being given away or used' that I, didn't support them, but on the down low did rock a few songs.

I have heard it. I have that crappy boot that made the rounds way back when that includes the Geils and Thorogood set. Lols, a secret RFTW fan . I didn't care. I was confident enough in my love for P, that giving a little to RFTW wasn't going to threaten our relationship. I was also down with Jesse and his solo stuff, which was levels above RFTW, but still very much in the Prince copy cat category. He just did it better.

PliablyPurple said:

I have heard it. I have that crappy boot that made the rounds way back when that includes the Geils and Thorogood set. Lols, a secret RFTW fan . I didn't care. I was confident enough in my love for P, that giving a little to RFTW wasn't going to threaten our relationship. I was also down with Jesse and his solo stuff, which was levels above RFTW, but still very much in the Prince copy cat category. He just did it better.

Mine is pretty good. The copy. In that I like the bootleg feel of it lol

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Hey hey now, RFTW cannot be put in the same catagory as Jesse Johnson ...

Jesse Johnson CAME from the purple camp

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RFTW reminds me of certain Salsa music that no matter the tempo it's sorta the same beat just faster or slower Oh Sheila Mary Goes Round Let Me Love You Down lol

I know where Jesse came from, but he sure didn't make much of an attempt to distinguish himself from P's sound for Jesse Johnson's Revue. It is what it is, as they say. It's what was hot. But, I love that album from start to finish, so no real complaints here, but let's be honest about the sound he was riding. Comparing the two actually accentuates P's evolution...Revue dropped in 85, Around the World in a Day dropped in 85. P moved on already.

RJOrion said:

for the people that are saying or implying that it wasnt racially motivated....you do realize that "racial slurs" were being yelled and screamed at Prince and his crew as they performed, right?..

Were they? All I hear on any bootleg i've come across is "SSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKKKKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS why you wanna treat me so TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHH

Morris Day says he recorded the show and someone else on here said the show was shown on some early pay-per-view channel in the area so there's a chance we may get a video of it in half-decent quality eventually.

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jaawwnn said:

RJOrion said:

jaawwnn said:

Were they? All I hear on any bootleg i've come across is "SSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHKKKKKKKKKKKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS why you wanna treat me so TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHH

Morris Day says he recorded the show and someone else on here said the show was shown on some early pay-per-view channel in the area so there's a chance we may get a video of it in half-decent quality eventually.

[Edited 1/20/20 9:19am]

almost every article ive read about the incident, references the racial and homosexual slurs being shouted out...if theres 10s of thousands of people there, its unlikely youd be able to isolate specific words being yelled by certain people in attendance

Oh i'm sure there were, I just wanted to make a joke about the tape quality.

I have absolutely no doubt that racial and homosexual slurs were being shouted towards Prince and the band. This was at a time in America where it was okay to 'gay bash', the 'N' word was used alot and let's admit it- Prince's stage persona at that time was rather effeminate as was some of his clothing choices. This was way before Youtube, folks, so I would think that 9/10th of that audience had no inkling what this petite black man from Minneapolis was going to look like or act like on stage. I'm a gay man and even I cringe when I watch the video for "I Wanna Be Your Lover' because everything about that video screams 'gay' to me. I cringe because at the time most people would have taken one look at Prince, thought he was gay and written him off as another Sylvester wanna be instead of appreciating the music. Again- this was at a time when it was okay to 'gay bash'. I lived through it and remember the fear that myself and friends felt when we would be walking down the street minding our own business, never knowing if we would get jumped. Not a pretty part of our country's past......

PliablyPurple said:

I know where Jesse came from, but he sure didn't make much of an attempt to distinguish himself from P's sound for Jesse Johnson's Revue. It is what it is, as they say. It's what was hot. But, I love that album from start to finish, so no real complaints here, but let's be honest about the sound he was riding. Comparing the two actually accentuates P's evolution...Revue dropped in 85, Around the World in a Day dropped in 85. P moved on already.

Yes, but Jesse doing the sound was natural and expected. No different than Morris Day, Vanity, Sheila etc

They were a part of the music and in camp.

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Yes he moved on April 1985 from the heavy use of the Minneapolis sound, but people were still connecting sounds to Prince. He still touched on it, and of course played songs live that were the Minni sound.

kingricefan said:

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https://www.presstelegram.com/2016/04/21/our-horrible-and-stupid-experience-with-prince-in-1981/

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Interesting.

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Another thing.

The Rolling Stones recorded their own performances of these shows.

But did they also recorded (or were they allowed to record) the other shows ?

Prince, George Thorogood, The J. Geils Band ?

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Imagine...

The excisting recordings of that particular Stones concert is great.

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BartVanHemelen said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/426762 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/451046 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/456896 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/317915 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/266058 ,

etc.

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Known subjects will always return,

and are always open to the possibility of new information.

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There is SO MUCH Prince info one might get lost in it.

It's a very good to repeat things form time to time.

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Vannormal said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/426762 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/451046 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/456896 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/317915 ,

https://prince.org/msg/7/266058 ,

etc.

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Known subjects will always return,

and are always open to the possibility of new information.

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There is SO MUCH Prince info one might get lost in it.

It's a very good to repeat things form time to time.

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Doing a bit of research beforehand would show a genuine interest. Also older threads often contain sources that are now unavailable. OldFriends4Sale is yet again reposting things he's undoubtedly posted dozens of times already, but the next time he might not do so.

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Also, it's not like this is obscure. The topic was raised mere weeks ago WRT the promo for 1999 Deluxe.

RJOrion said:

kingricefan said:

I have absolutely no doubt that racial and homosexual slurs were being shouted towards Prince and the band. This was at a time in America where it was okay to 'gay bash', the 'N' word was used alot and let's admit it- Prince's stage persona at that time was rather effeminate as was some of his clothing choices. This was way before Youtube, folks, so I would think that 9/10th of that audience had no inkling what this petite black man from Minneapolis was going to look like or act like on stage. I'm a gay man and even I cringe when I watch the video for "I Wanna Be Your Lover' because everything about that video screams 'gay' to me. I cringe because at the time most people would have taken one look at Prince, thought he was gay and written him off as another Sylvester wanna be instead of appreciating the music. Again- this was at a time when it was okay to 'gay bash'. I lived through it and remember the fear that myself and friends felt when we would be walking down the street minding our own business, never knowing if we would get jumped. Not a pretty part of our country's past......

your comment is so true...when the American Bandstand episode aired, i clearly remember my mother making all kinda jokes about how "sissified" he was and saying shit like "Little Richard already did that... he aint gonna make it...he sho' is a pretty lil thing tho"...she had no clue, bless her heart...effeminate behavior or not, he made it

But what did she make of the question and answer period after the performance? Was she like 'What the H*ll did he just say?'