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Reply #30 posted 12/27/19 7:47am

TheSilentMikey

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Interesting infos here if confirmed.

All I know is that Kept Woman was first copyrighted in the ASCAP database as a P\Tamar composition circa 2006, then copyrighted again as a P/Bria composition circa 2008, despite being identical. This tends to suggest that neither Bria nor Tamar cowrote that song, which raises suspiscion over all their other cowriting credits. So its safe to assume that most, if not all their songs are just P, with P demos existing prior to their involvement.

Unverified but cohesive, someone here once claimed they met Tamar and she told them that P just gave her royalties out of kindness, something we know he had done with Sheila, Carmen and the 93/95 NPG before.

Yes, that's what happened with "Kept Woman".

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He fully wrote the song but gave royalties to Támar and Bria.

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Reply #31 posted 12/27/19 2:59pm

IstenSzek

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databank said:

Interesting infos here if confirmed.

All I know is that Kept Woman was first copyrighted in the ASCAP database as a P\Tamar composition circa 2006, then copyrighted again as a P/Bria composition circa 2008, despite being identical. This tends to suggest that neither Bria nor Tamar cowrote that song, which raises suspiscion over all their other cowriting credits. So its safe to assume that most, if not all their songs are just P, with P demos existing prior to their involvement.

Unverified but cohesive, someone here once claimed they met Tamar and she told them that P just gave her royalties out of kindness, something we know he had done with Sheila, Carmen and the 93/95 NPG before.


the only thing i can imagine being co-written in most of these cases are a couple of lyrics,
perhaps.

like with andy, we know that she wrote a lot of the lyrics and even a decent amount of the
songs, which he then produced, tweeked and co-wrote, whatever.

i think this is something that started to bother him about his protege releases since Bria's
album. it seems he wanted a bit of a sparring session with these younger females rather
than write and produce all of it when they could hardly play an instrument.

probably his connection with andy and the 3rd Eye Girl women got him down that road a
bit more. seems he was reaching out to so many women who were already doing their
own thing with/in music and he just wanted to have more of a mentoring role.

in the case of andy, i think she had a great influence on his overal 'vibe' in the last few
years. i love all of their collaborative efforts on both her album and his. they had real
chemistry in the studio, you can hear him having fun with things again and sounding so
effortless and yet melodic.

would have been interesting to see what the future'd have held.

today i read an interview with a swedish singer Snoh or something, another nice looking
young woman who seems to be talented enough on her own and making cool music.

i'd never heard of their connection with eachother yet she has the same story as many
of these young female musicians. he seemed to be mentoring about a dozen of them in
the last 4 to 6 years of his life lol


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Reply #32 posted 12/27/19 10:35pm

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TheSilentMikey said:

databank said:

Interesting infos here if confirmed.

All I know is that Kept Woman was first copyrighted in the ASCAP database as a P\Tamar composition circa 2006, then copyrighted again as a P/Bria composition circa 2008, despite being identical. This tends to suggest that neither Bria nor Tamar cowrote that song, which raises suspiscion over all their other cowriting credits. So its safe to assume that most, if not all their songs are just P, with P demos existing prior to their involvement.

Unverified but cohesive, someone here once claimed they met Tamar and she told them that P just gave her royalties out of kindness, something we know he had done with Sheila, Carmen and the 93/95 NPG before.

Yes, that's what happened with "Kept Woman".

.
He fully wrote the song but gave royalties to Támar and Bria.


Indeed, Prince did this all the time with many of the artists he worked with. He would give them co-writing credits so they would appear, on the surface at least, to have some talent of their own and not just being carried by Prince.

So the two options are this:

1. He wrote the song by himself, gave co credit to artist for marketing purposes.

2. He wrote the song in Tamar's presence, and gave co writing credit no matter how little the contribution.

It is most likely #1 as he gave both co credit, which is impossible, so the fact that they are doing the vocal seems to be what prompts that co credit.

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Reply #33 posted 12/28/19 11:45am

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Prince’s live version of Elixir at Montreux in 2009 is pure erotic fire smile The way he slid right into that - with a sly smirk on his face - right after a jaw-dropping version of Empty Room was SO good!!
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Honestly, I think pretty much all of his originals given to others - Come Home, 101, 5 Women, The Sex of It, etc. sound better when done by him.
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Reply #34 posted 12/28/19 1:07pm

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leadline said:



TheSilentMikey said:




databank said:


Interesting infos here if confirmed.


All I know is that Kept Woman was first copyrighted in the ASCAP database as a P\Tamar composition circa 2006, then copyrighted again as a P/Bria composition circa 2008, despite being identical. This tends to suggest that neither Bria nor Tamar cowrote that song, which raises suspiscion over all their other cowriting credits. So its safe to assume that most, if not all their songs are just P, with P demos existing prior to their involvement.


Unverified but cohesive, someone here once claimed they met Tamar and she told them that P just gave her royalties out of kindness, something we know he had done with Sheila, Carmen and the 93/95 NPG before.



Yes, that's what happened with "Kept Woman".


.
He fully wrote the song but gave royalties to Támar and Bria.




Indeed, Prince did this all the time with many of the artists he worked with. He would give them co-writing credits so they would appear, on the surface at least, to have some talent of their own and not just being carried by Prince.

So the two options are this:

1. He wrote the song by himself, gave co credit to artist for marketing purposes.

2. He wrote the song in Tamar's presence, and gave co writing credit no matter how little the contribution.

It is most likely #1 as he gave both co credit, which is impossible, so the fact that they are doing the vocal seems to be what prompts that co credit.


Giving credit is npt the same as giving royalties. He gave credit all the time particularly in the early days, but only gave away royalties on a few occasions.
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