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Reply #180 posted 12/31/19 10:58am

BanishedBrian

Honestly... I took a pass on buying this release because of the omission of Extraloveable, along with the lazyness of some of the mastering (releasing things at the wrong speed, etc.).

If they think they'll make more money by censoring the catalog, I wish them the best of luck with that. Sounds like it's not working out too well so far...

No Candy 4 Me
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Reply #181 posted 01/01/20 6:49am

jdcxc

Tuls101 said:

I consider myself somewhere between a diehard and a casual fan. I've sought out unreleased material, own albums of his the GP prob aren't even aware exists, so in that way, I'm beyond your "casual" fan but I certainly haven't heard EVERYTHING out there or have a very specific wishlist as many "diehards" in this thread have. Just giving perspective as to the "type" of fan I am because I find the 1999 SDE (and PR for that matter) to be absolutely amazing. I'm in my late 30's and have owned the original 1999 CD since my early teens and this remaster has me hearing the album in a new light. Prob in the minority as well in that I love having the radio edits/extended versions/special versions included. I already had a few of the unreleased tracks as well but it's nice to have them in great quality on an official release. AND we get an official live performance DVD from arguably his most magical era. Truly, I couldn't be more pleased with this release. I'm sure there are many fans out there like me. Somewhat surprised to see the blase' reaction among his more passionate fans. On the other hand, not really, it seems like the most diehard fans of any artist really are the hardest to please.



Agree. But why the radio edits? I don’t get it. They ruin the cohesiveness of the package and could be provided elsewhere.
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Reply #182 posted 01/01/20 7:55am

LoveGalore

BanishedBrian said:

Honestly... I took a pass on buying this release because of the omission of Extraloveable, along with the lazyness of some of the mastering (releasing things at the wrong speed, etc.).



If they think they'll make more money by censoring the catalog, I wish them the best of luck with that. Sounds like it's not working out too well so far...



Wrong speed? Care to elaborate or...
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Reply #183 posted 01/02/20 10:09am

CAL3

JorisE73 said:

CAL3 said:

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Sorry, but it does.


Sorry, but it doesn't. No offence intended but what you are saying doesn't make sense.
On Crystal Ball for example Last Heart, Interactive, Strays of the World, Movie Star (except for the JOTY intro) is identical to the unreleased version so that by your logic it means that Prince put out unfinished songs.

The Black Album wasn't released until 1994 so you're saying that between december 1987 and 31 december 1993 all the songs on The Black Album were unfinished and when released they were suddenly finished while nothing extra was done to them.

Or any unreleased track on unreleased finished albums/sequences of released albums (In a Large Room with No Light, Rebirth of the Flesh, unreleased tracks from Katrina's Paper Dolls, Dream Factory, Crystall Ball 1986/1987, The Dawn, Days of Wild which was on the initial version of The Gold Experience.)

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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.

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It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.

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Reply #184 posted 01/03/20 2:18am

udo

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CAL3 said:

It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.

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So there can be no other reasons?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #185 posted 01/03/20 3:18am

Neversin

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CAL3 said:

JorisE73 said:


Sorry, but it doesn't. No offence intended but what you are saying doesn't make sense.
On Crystal Ball for example Last Heart, Interactive, Strays of the World, Movie Star (except for the JOTY intro) is identical to the unreleased version so that by your logic it means that Prince put out unfinished songs.

The Black Album wasn't released until 1994 so you're saying that between december 1987 and 31 december 1993 all the songs on The Black Album were unfinished and when released they were suddenly finished while nothing extra was done to them.

Or any unreleased track on unreleased finished albums/sequences of released albums (In a Large Room with No Light, Rebirth of the Flesh, unreleased tracks from Katrina's Paper Dolls, Dream Factory, Crystall Ball 1986/1987, The Dawn, Days of Wild which was on the initial version of The Gold Experience.)

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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.

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It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.


So "Parade" is finished just because Prince released it?
Prince finished some of the songs of "Parade" after the album was already released...

Which version of "The Dance" is the completely finished version since there are multiple versions released by Prince?

Neversin.

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Reply #186 posted 01/03/20 5:02am

LoveGalore

CAL3 said:



JorisE73 said:




CAL3 said:



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Sorry, but it does.




Sorry, but it doesn't. No offence intended but what you are saying doesn't make sense.
On Crystal Ball for example Last Heart, Interactive, Strays of the World, Movie Star (except for the JOTY intro) is identical to the unreleased version so that by your logic it means that Prince put out unfinished songs.

The Black Album wasn't released until 1994 so you're saying that between december 1987 and 31 december 1993 all the songs on The Black Album were unfinished and when released they were suddenly finished while nothing extra was done to them.

Or any unreleased track on unreleased finished albums/sequences of released albums (In a Large Room with No Light, Rebirth of the Flesh, unreleased tracks from Katrina's Paper Dolls, Dream Factory, Crystall Ball 1986/1987, The Dawn, Days of Wild which was on the initial version of The Gold Experience.)



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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.


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It's actually very simple.


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If Prince released it, it's finished.


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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.



Bullshit
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Reply #187 posted 01/03/20 8:24am

CAL3

Neversin said:

CAL3 said:

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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.

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It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.


So "Parade" is finished just because Prince released it?
Prince finished some of the songs of "Parade" after the album was already released...

Which version of "The Dance" is the completely finished version since there are multiple versions released by Prince?

Neversin.

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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.

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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.

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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.

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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?

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Reply #188 posted 01/03/20 10:18am

Neversin

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CAL3 said:

Neversin said:


So "Parade" is finished just because Prince released it?
Prince finished some of the songs of "Parade" after the album was already released...

Which version of "The Dance" is the completely finished version since there are multiple versions released by Prince?

Neversin.

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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.

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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.

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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.

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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?



Seriously?
During his WBR stint Prince wasn't allowed to release particular "finished" tracks, so your theory doesn't make sense...

Neversin.

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Reply #189 posted 01/03/20 11:06am

CAL3

Neversin said:

CAL3 said:

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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.

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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.

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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.

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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?



Seriously?
During his WBR stint Prince wasn't allowed to release particular "finished" tracks, so your theory doesn't make sense...

Neversin.

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Makes nothing but sense.

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Prince had how many years after WB to release whatever he wanted?

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It's a basic concept: what was released was finished. What wasn't released, we'll never know. It's a matter of speculation, if anything at all. But if it didn't come out, how can anyone but Prince know if it was finished or not?

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Reply #190 posted 01/03/20 1:14pm

Neversin

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CAL3 said:



Neversin said:




CAL3 said:



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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.


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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.


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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.


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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?





Seriously?
During his WBR stint Prince wasn't allowed to release particular "finished" tracks, so your theory doesn't make sense...

Neversin.



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Makes nothing but sense.


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Prince had how many years after WB to release whatever he wanted?


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It's a basic concept: what was released was finished. What wasn't released, we'll never know. It's a matter of speculation, if anything at all. But if it didn't come out, how can anyone but Prince know if it was finished or not?



After him leaving WBR Prince couldn't release whatever he wanted simply because WBR (partially) "owned" a load of his music, and thus also some of the songs they didn't allow him to release, recorded when he was under them...

Neversin.
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Reply #191 posted 01/03/20 8:19pm

udo

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Prince songs were never finished.

Look at, listen to the live additions, remakes, etc.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #192 posted 01/06/20 3:18am

Neversin

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Besides, WBR released "Parade" without Prince's full approval because the tracks weren't finished to him... So CAL3, your theory still doesn't add up or make sense... Unless you're a record company stooge then your agenda is quite clear and shouldn't be taken seriously...

Neversin.

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Reply #193 posted 01/06/20 3:39am

Pokeno4Money

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mbdtyler said:

maybe some can't afford the whole set at the moment?


Affordability is not a valid reason IMO.

Fan base is predominantly in their 40's thru 60's when most are at peak income levels with little to no debt.

I went to concerts 5-6 years ago when 10,000 seat venues sold out at a get-in price over $200 so trust me when I say his fans can afford to buy his music. It's not like his fanbase is teenagers on an allowance or 20-somethings just starting their careers.


There's only 6 states in the US that don't allow Open Carry: Cali, FL, IL, NY, SC, DC. While SC's gun murder rate is DOUBLE that of Texas, DC's is 6 TIMES that of Texas! https://en.m.wikipedia.or...s_by_state
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Reply #194 posted 01/07/20 9:46am

CAL3

Neversin said:

Besides, WBR released "Parade" without Prince's full approval because the tracks weren't finished to him... So CAL3, your theory still doesn't add up or make sense... Unless you're a record company stooge then your agenda is quite clear and shouldn't be taken seriously...

Neversin.

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Damn, you OUTED ME! I'm a record company stooge! With a clear agenda!

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I didn't realize I was being so obvious about it!!!!!

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Reply #195 posted 01/07/20 10:17am

CAL3

udo said:

Prince songs were never finished.

Look at, listen to the live additions, remakes, etc.

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Could not possibly be less relevant to the point I was making.

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Reply #196 posted 01/07/20 12:56pm

christobole

BanishedBrian said:

Honestly... I took a pass on buying this release because of the omission of Extraloveable, along with the lazyness of some of the mastering (releasing things at the wrong speed, etc.).

If they think they'll make more money by censoring the catalog, I wish them the best of luck with that. Sounds like it's not working out too well so far...

I completely agree - not including those two key songs (perhaps the best outtakes of the era) soured me enough to not buy this box.

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Reply #197 posted 01/09/20 3:51pm

jfenster

he pulled Days of Wild ...and that was finished

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Reply #198 posted 01/09/20 8:06pm

udo

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CAL3 said:

udo said:

Prince songs were never finished.

Look at, listen to the live additions, remakes, etc.

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Could not possibly be less relevant to the point I was making.

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Because?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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