Hamad said:

Wolfie87 said:

"Yeah, but The Kinks did it with Lola bla bla bla" Fucking YT comments NEVER EVER gives the man some credit. There always has to be one, doesn't it.

I wish it was just that. A lot of people are still oblivious to his music/talent unfortunately, I played the “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” during a presentation I did last semester and you’ll not believe the many folks who remarked “wow! I didn’t know he actually played guitar, I thought it was just showmanship”. Needless to say, couple of those folks walked out of that class room as new fans

His showmanship took away the focus of his guitar playing in many instances. I remember a Tamar gig when he played red headed stepchild and he justy slayed the solo but alot of people focused on the corny faces he was making which I could understand.

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

maybe its not so freaky NOW, but in 1982 trangenders were way underground and generally seen as freaks and oddities and deviants...

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Are you saying that transgenders now ar e dofferent?

Are you saying that changing the very defining parts of a body is 'normal'?

Decisions on changes like this should not be undertaken lightly and not by parents when underage.

And exactly that is what is happening.

It is absurd to the maxx.

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Why do a sex change before even find counselling?

udo said:

RJOrion said:

maybe its not so freaky NOW, but in 1982 trangenders were way underground and generally seen as freaks and oddities and deviants...

.

Are you saying that transgenders now ar e dofferent?

Are you saying that changing the very defining parts of a body is 'normal'?

Decisions on changes like this should not be undertaken lightly and not by parents when underage.

And exactly that is what is happening.

It is absurd to the maxx.

.

Why do a sex change before even find counselling?

You don't think song lyrics should ever be censored, but you think a living person should be censored or discouraged from expressing their true selves, because their existence doesn't line up with your narrow view of how a human can/should identify? What kind of backwards ass bullshit is this? You aren't the free thinker you want to believe you are.

mbdtyler said:

udo said:

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Are you saying that transgenders now ar e dofferent?

Are you saying that changing the very defining parts of a body is 'normal'?

Decisions on changes like this should not be undertaken lightly and not by parents when underage.

And exactly that is what is happening.

It is absurd to the maxx.

.

Why do a sex change before even find counselling?

You don't think song lyrics should ever be censored, but you think a living person should be censored or discouraged from expressing their true selves, because their existence doesn't line up with your narrow view of how a human can/should identify? What kind of backwards ass bullshit is this? You aren't the free thinker you want to believe you are.

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You are drawing conclusions based on what?

You imply that sex changes are necessary and normal and an expression of the true selves without commenting on the effects of such a change.

I say it is Darwinism at its best. It also signifies a failure in care at all levels.

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Censorship should not apply to art.

Sayin someone has a narrow mind says more about you than about the actual research you did before uttering such a statement or the actual situation.

You are moving away from the actual issues and instead comment on the messenger. Total weakness there.

Saying I am a free thinker before I even tried to phrase a sentence about that is in the same corner.

At least I am not a fake `liberal`. Labels of legacy 'parties' do not apply to those parties anymore.

Didn't you notice?

Back to the music:

How many times did you play the promo disc?

Double post, sorry.

[Edited 12/6/19 0:44am]

Wolfie87 said:

RJOrion said:

Prince singing about Transgenders back in 1982...wow.

"Yeah, but The Kinks did it with Lola bla bla bla" Fucking YT comments NEVER EVER gives the man some credit. There always has to be one, doesn't it.

Maybe, but I sorta read "Vagina" as a direct response to "Lola" (as I wrote on the other thread -- sorry, having trouble with the org today.) The general garage-rock vibe and lyrics ("met her at a bar" etc.) suggest to me the possibility at least the Prince had the song on his mind when he wrote "Vagina". Doens't make him any less brilliant, tho.

udo said:

Wolfie87 said:

RJOrion said:

Prince singing about Transgenders back in 1982...wow.

"Yeah, but The Kinks did it with Lola bla bla bla" Fucking YT comments NEVER EVER gives the man some credit. There always has to be one, doesn't it.

.

Yeah, how dare they point out that other artists sang about that topic years earlier and scored a hit? (See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/...Reed_song) .)

Hamad said:

Wolfie87 said:

"Yeah, but The Kinks did it with Lola bla bla bla"

Fucking YT comments NEVER EVER gives the man some credit. There always has to be one, doesn't it.

I wish it was just that. A lot of people are still oblivious to his music/talent unfortunately, I played the “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” during a presentation I did last semester and you’ll not believe the many folks who remarked “wow! I didn’t know he actually played guitar, I thought it was just showmanship”. Needless to say, couple of those folks walked out of that class room as new fans

udo said:

mbdtyler said:

You don't think song lyrics should ever be censored, but you think a living person should be censored or discouraged from expressing their true selves, because their existence doesn't line up with your narrow view of how a human can/should identify? What kind of backwards ass bullshit is this? You aren't the free thinker you want to believe you are.

.

You are drawing conclusions based on what?

You imply that sex changes are necessary and normal and an expression of the true selves without commenting on the effects of such a change.

I say it is Darwinism at its best. It also signifies a failure in care at all levels.

.

Censorship should not apply to art.

Sayin someone has a narrow mind says more about you than about the actual research you did before uttering such a statement or the actual situation.

You are moving away from the actual issues and instead comment on the messenger. Total weakness there.

Saying I am a free thinker before I even tried to phrase a sentence about that is in the same corner.

At least I am not a fake `liberal`. Labels of legacy 'parties' do not apply to those parties anymore.

Didn't you notice?

Back to the music:

How many times did you play the promo disc?

You are really doing the most with the trolling on this issue (and other issues). This has nothing to do with "Vagina" or 1999 Super Deluxe. Chill out and take your views on transgendered people elsewhere.

LoveGalore said:

This has nothing to do with "Vagina" or 1999 Super Deluxe. Chill out and take your views on transgendered people elsewhere.

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Where did I mention 'vagina'?

Who brought up transgenders in the first place?

RJOrion said:

Prince singing about Transgenders back in 1982...wow.

I don't think it's about a transgender. If you study the lyrics, Vagina sounds more like a Drag King - a woman who dresses like a man. And in this case the woman is a bisexual, kissing another woman at a gay bar and then doing it with Prince.

Here's a review in Danish: https://underholdningforhomoer.blogspot.com/2019/12/nyt-fra-sexrebellen-prince.html

udo said:

LoveGalore said:

This has nothing to do with "Vagina" or 1999 Super Deluxe. Chill out and take your views on transgendered people elsewhere.

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Where did I mention 'vagina'?

Who brought up transgenders in the first place?

Vagina is the song and the person who brought up transgender people was someone commenting on Prince's foresight in discussing a topic that was ahead of its time. Not about whether or not children are being forced into being transgender, wtf.

VaultCurator said:

I don't think Vagina is about a transgender person. I reckon it's a song about a butch lesbian. [Edited 12/6/19 13:43pm]

Not a lesbian, because Prince and her "do it." More like a "butch bisexual woman."

scififilmnerd said:

LoveGalore said:

udo said:

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You are drawing conclusions based on what?

You imply that sex changes are necessary and normal and an expression of the true selves without commenting on the effects of such a change.

I say it is Darwinism at its best. It also signifies a failure in care at all levels.

.

Censorship should not apply to art.

Sayin someone has a narrow mind says more about you than about the actual research you did before uttering such a statement or the actual situation.

You are moving away from the actual issues and instead comment on the messenger. Total weakness there.

Saying I am a free thinker before I even tried to phrase a sentence about that is in the same corner.

At least I am not a fake `liberal`. Labels of legacy 'parties' do not apply to those parties anymore.

Didn't you notice?

Back to the music:

How many times did you play the promo disc?

You are really doing the most with the trolling on this issue (and other issues). This has nothing to do with "Vagina" or 1999 Super Deluxe. Chill out and take your views on transgendered people elsewhere.

^seconded.

scififilmnerd said:

RJOrion said:

Prince singing about Transgenders back in 1982...wow.

I don't think it's about a transgender. If you study the lyrics, Vagina sounds more like a Drag King - a woman who dresses like a man. And in this case the woman is a bisexual, kissing another woman at a gay bar and then doing it with Prince.

this.

Yeahhhh can we cool it with the violent transphobia? lol

PurpleSullivan said:

Yeahhhh can we cool it with the violent transphobia? lol

"violent"?

There has been no "violence" in this thread.
It's all words, and words are not violent.

PurpleSullivan said:

Yeahhhh can we cool it with the violent transphobia? lol

VaultCurator said:

With regards to Extraloveable, I found out something interesting on twitter yesterday.
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According to Dr Funkenberry, Prince had intended to place Extraloveable on the album but it ended up being replaced by D.M.S.R.
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"1999" replaced "Turn It Up" and "D.M.S.R." replaced "Extraloveable".....
Link: https://twitter.com/drfun...2595616768
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Interview/convo we had. The discussion came about over him bringing up the updated version of "Extraloveable" (now xtraloveable) & i asked bout the lyrics. More was discussed re 1999 & he actually allowed me to take notes about it. I did let the estate know a year ago about it.
Link: https://twitter.com/drfun...5219868672
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[Edited 11/29/19 4:18am]

That's VERY interesting.

Any clues as to what the album was called before 1999 was added to it?

Surely the album wasn't called Turn It Up?!

[Edited 12/7/19 12:55pm]

dustoff said:

Wolfie87 said:

RJOrion said: "Yeah, but The Kinks did it with Lola bla bla bla" Fucking YT comments NEVER EVER gives the man some credit. There always has to be one, doesn't it.

Maybe, but I sorta read "Vagina" as a direct response to "Lola" (as I wrote on the other thread -- sorry, having trouble with the org today.) The general garage-rock vibe and lyrics ("met her at a bar" etc.) suggest to me the possibility at least the Prince had the song on his mind when he wrote "Vagina". Doens't make him any less brilliant, tho.

I have little doubt that the song is influenced by Lola.

Vagina is my favorite track of the new releases.

[Edited 12/7/19 16:09pm]