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Reply #300 posted 11/07/19 7:40am

IstenSzek

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djThunderfunk said:

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said: Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...


same here. i like it, don't get me wrong and the pictures alone are worth the price.

but what i would really want at some point in the future is a real extensive book on
his life and work, at least 800 pages, piecing together all the interviews, recorded
facts and tidbits and all strung together by interviewing all the people he was close
to either in personal relationships or in bands/collaborations.

to put everyone's information together in one place, combining stuff like The Vault
book and a biography.

omg

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Reply #301 posted 11/07/19 7:42am

IstenSzek

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another book, or a sort of companion book to the 'bio' could be a coffeetable
book, also at least 600 pages, filled with pictures. all the stuff he collected in
his personal collection (a bit of which we see in The Beautiful Ones) and lots
of other stuff, including alternate album artwork, session outtakes, tour stubs
special editions, handwritten lyrics, poetry, letters etc.

omg omg


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Reply #302 posted 11/07/19 7:47am

IstenSzek

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fuck it, it would probably have to be 3 books lol because the ones the estate
has printed (guitars, clothes etc), all those pictures, and more should also be
represented. ALL his studio gear, from the consoles to the synths and stuff he
had in storage. all the outfits, you name it. extensive Paisley Park shots.

good lord, just like with his album reissues, we'd ideally get a boxed set of not
1 but 3 or 4 books lol

with prince it's never enough, there's always more to explore. and since i have
a library of about 2100 books now, i'd love nothing more than to add a few very
extensive, well layed out and executed prince books to it, combining my two
favourite hobby's: prince and books. smile

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Reply #303 posted 11/07/19 7:48am

djThunderfunk

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IstenSzek said:

another book, or a sort of companion book to the 'bio' could be a coffeetable
book, also at least 600 pages, filled with pictures. all the stuff he collected in
his personal collection (a bit of which we see in The Beautiful Ones) and lots
of other stuff, including alternate album artwork, session outtakes, tour stubs
special editions, handwritten lyrics, poetry, letters etc.

omg omg



I like BOTH your ideas, I'll buy 'em both!! biggrin


Here's my coffee table book idea: compile ALL the tour books into one large over-sized coffee table book. wink

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Reply #304 posted 11/07/19 8:08am

IstenSzek

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djThunderfunk said:

IstenSzek said:

another book, or a sort of companion book to the 'bio' could be a coffeetable
book, also at least 600 pages, filled with pictures. all the stuff he collected in
his personal collection (a bit of which we see in The Beautiful Ones) and lots
of other stuff, including alternate album artwork, session outtakes, tour stubs
special editions, handwritten lyrics, poetry, letters etc.

omg omg



I like BOTH your ideas, I'll buy 'em both!! biggrin


Here's my coffee table book idea: compile ALL the tour books into one large over-sized coffee table book. wink


also include Neo Manifesto etc and i'm going to throw bags of money at this lol


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Reply #305 posted 11/07/19 9:03am

3rdeyedude

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djThunderfunk said:

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said: Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

True. It's the best 1/4 of a book I have ever read. And if you want a more enjoyable read, Morris Day's book is excellent. The Morriss uses Prince in the book makes you feel like he is still with us. But in the Beautiful Ones, it's more of a vibe like you are reading about a dead guy.

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Reply #306 posted 11/07/19 9:26am

djThunderfunk

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3rdeyedude said:

djThunderfunk said:


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

True. It's the best 1/4 of a book I have ever read. And if you want a more enjoyable read, Morris Day's book is excellent. The Morriss uses Prince in the book makes you feel like he is still with us. But in the Beautiful Ones, it's more of a vibe like you are reading about a dead guy.


Agreed! The 2 books back to back make for a great (and more satisfying) experience. Excellent timing on the releases.


[Edited 11/7/19 9:27am]

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Reply #307 posted 11/07/19 9:35am

djThunderfunk

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IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


I like BOTH your ideas, I'll buy 'em both!! biggrin


Here's my coffee table book idea: compile ALL the tour books into one large over-sized coffee table book. wink


also include Neo Manifesto etc and i'm going to throw bags of money at this lol



You just made it perfect! cool

I also want a nice hard-back book reprinting the 2 DC comics, including some essays telling the story about it's creation, maybe some extra artwork, maybe Prince's notes.

A guy from Marvel just expressed enterest in working on a Prince comic, maybe they get him to do a whole new story to add to the reprints?

Sorry to get off-topic on other book ideas... guess that should be a separate thread. lol

Back on topic. Although I found the book to be a short experience, it was a fantastic one.
I highly recommend everyone check it out. It's an essential addition to any fan's bookshelf.


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Reply #308 posted 11/07/19 1:18pm

deangela

[Off topic, wrong forum snip - luv4u]

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Reply #309 posted 11/07/19 3:19pm

FrankieCoco1

Nice interview with Dan Piepenbring on BBC 6 music today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sou...y/m0009yw0

Starts about 2 hours 5 minutes into the show with Tom Ravenscroft hosting.
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Reply #310 posted 11/07/19 5:17pm

vandeluca

I have been saying this since he's gone. The world needs some sort of history book or whatever you want to call it...all emcompassing. Having all life asepcts in it.....Like you said multi-volumes

The people alive today, these primary sources, who knew him I hope realize how fortunate they were to work/assosciae with a musicinan ilke this. We are luck to haVe lived during it. They need to share it all and not take it to the grave.

IstenSzek said:

fuck it, it would probably have to be 3 books lol because the ones the estate
has printed (guitars, clothes etc), all those pictures, and more should also be
represented. ALL his studio gear, from the consoles to the synths and stuff he
had in storage. all the outfits, you name it. extensive Paisley Park shots.

good lord, just like with his album reissues, we'd ideally get a boxed set of not
1 but 3 or 4 books lol

with prince it's never enough, there's always more to explore. and since i have
a library of about 2100 books now, i'd love nothing more than to add a few very
extensive, well layed out and executed prince books to it, combining my two
favourite hobby's: prince and books. smile

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Reply #311 posted 11/08/19 3:29am

Vannormal

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BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

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All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

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Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

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Exactly.

It was the Bremer Trust that asked Random House to finish the book, and as you say, there was a contract.

But it was the Estate or Bremer Trust (I don't think the Estate as such excited already) that gave the permission to go to Paisley Park (as a first mission) to go through all his stuff to see what they could use (and later on the Comerica Bank).

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It seems that he documented everything pretty well (for someone saying he didn't live in the past).

They found loads of stuff basically everywhere.

(..even found loads of information concerning the Puprle Rain movie - boxes full of...)

Dan Piepenbring stated (in the book) that there is an 'immensity' of information; 5200 objects, thousands of papers... etc.

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Thing is, indeed, who's williinng to pay for all this to assemble to make (an)other book(s) ?

Or is it Mr. Howe's plan to use it (mostly) for future releases ? If the Estate gives permission ?

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I like Dan Piepenbring's writing. It's a good read.

The only thing missing for me is extra interviews with the people he worked with at the time.

Why not having Tonny Vicary for a few words, or Lisa, etc.. Money of course i guess, and other official problems..

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #312 posted 11/08/19 4:38am

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Vannormal said:

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Exactly.

It was the Bremer Trust that asked Random House to finish the book, and as you say, there was a contract.

But it was the Estate or Bremer Trust (I don't think the Estate as such excited already) that gave the permission to go to Paisley Park (as a first mission) to go through all his stuff to see what they could use (and later on the Comerica Bank).

-

It seems that he documented everything pretty well (for someone saying he didn't live in the past).

They found loads of stuff basically everywhere.

(..even found loads of information concerning the Puprle Rain movie - boxes full of...)

Dan Piepenbring stated (in the book) that there is an 'immensity' of information; 5200 objects, thousands of papers... etc.

-

Thing is, indeed, who's williinng to pay for all this to assemble to make (an)other book(s) ?

Or is it Mr. Howe's plan to use it (mostly) for future releases ? If the Estate gives permission ?

-

I like Dan Piepenbring's writing. It's a good read.

The only thing missing for me is extra interviews with the people he worked with at the time.

Why not having Tonny Vicary for a few words, or Lisa, etc.. Money of course i guess, and other official problems..

-

Because Dan wanted it to be in Prince's own words, not those of the associates. They are always free to put out their own books.

I for one, am thankful Dan did the book in this way.

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Reply #313 posted 11/08/19 4:47am

poppys

Agree with you Penny. Adding associates to this book would change it completely.

As ISLIJAG already said, the contract for the book became void when he died. And an estate "exists" as soon as you die.

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Reply #314 posted 11/08/19 5:38am

peaceandlove

Just finished this beautiful book. One can definitely feel Prince's humor but more importantly his genuine kindness. Well done Dan. Thank you.

Peaceandlove☮️💜☮️💜
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Reply #315 posted 11/08/19 6:36am

TrevorAyer

They need a prince encyclopedia each volume released to coincide with an extensive and complete era package with each album.
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Reply #316 posted 11/08/19 2:55pm

Roby78

Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl

Keep talking pls lurking

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Reply #317 posted 11/08/19 3:07pm

motherfunka

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Roby78 said:

Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl

Keep talking pls lurking

Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol

TRUE BLUE
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Reply #318 posted 11/08/19 8:32pm

Mumio

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motherfunka said:

Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol

lol lol

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #319 posted 11/09/19 3:56am

PURPLEIZED3121

PennyPurple said:

Vannormal said:

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Exactly.

It was the Bremer Trust that asked Random House to finish the book, and as you say, there was a contract.

But it was the Estate or Bremer Trust (I don't think the Estate as such excited already) that gave the permission to go to Paisley Park (as a first mission) to go through all his stuff to see what they could use (and later on the Comerica Bank).

-

It seems that he documented everything pretty well (for someone saying he didn't live in the past).

They found loads of stuff basically everywhere.

(..even found loads of information concerning the Puprle Rain movie - boxes full of...)

Dan Piepenbring stated (in the book) that there is an 'immensity' of information; 5200 objects, thousands of papers... etc.

-

Thing is, indeed, who's williinng to pay for all this to assemble to make (an)other book(s) ?

Or is it Mr. Howe's plan to use it (mostly) for future releases ? If the Estate gives permission ?

-

I like Dan Piepenbring's writing. It's a good read.

The only thing missing for me is extra interviews with the people he worked with at the time.

Why not having Tonny Vicary for a few words, or Lisa, etc.. Money of course i guess, and other official problems..

-

Because Dan wanted it to be in Prince's own words, not those of the associates. They are always free to put out their own books.

I for one, am thankful Dan did the book in this way.

100% agree.

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Reply #320 posted 11/09/19 4:44am

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The November 2019 issue of UK music monthly Classic Pop has a half-page review of the book.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
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Reply #321 posted 11/09/19 7:18am

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3rdeyedude said:

djThunderfunk said:


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

True. It's the best 1/4 of a book I have ever read. And if you want a more enjoyable read, Morris Day's book is excellent. The Morriss uses Prince in the book makes you feel like he is still with us. But in the Beautiful Ones, it's more of a vibe like you are reading about a dead guy.

But, you're really not "reading about a dead guy", because these were Prince's thoughts and words while he was alive, so they are relevant for the time that he wrote them, and absolutely represent what he wanted the world to know about his childhood, his family dynamic, and also his ideas for the rest of the book.

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His songs also give us some of that story, but I LOVE that he went deeper into the details, and also confirmed that he really did love BOTH his Mother and Father, and that while some of his childhood created negative memories, there were many good memories of time with both of his parents. He was telling us how his parents, especially his Mother, shaped his imagination and the person he became.

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I love the detail about his interest in girls, starting with Laura at just five years old, and how it progressed through puberty. I love the "Petey" story, and it's interesting that one of the characters in his song "Cirle of Amour" is named Denise - who is one of the girls involved in the "Petey" story in the book, and is about him having a sexual fantasy about four "fast" girls from his high school:

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Mary, Claire, Denise and Belle
Best friends as far as I could tell
Chearleaders except 4 Denise
She was the wild one
She was the beast
She was the one who named the group
The original gang of 4

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It is beyond sad that Prince did not get the chance to finish his story, because it clearly shows that if he had kept writing in this way we would have had much more detail about his life and relationships through the 80's and 90's. Yes, we still have his songs that briefly tell his story, but the book would have been much more elaborate.

[Edited 11/9/19 7:22am]

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Reply #322 posted 11/09/19 12:41pm

Roby78

motherfunka said:

Roby78 said:

Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl

Keep talking pls lurking

Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol

lol lol lol

I ordered on amazon,But in Italy the book will come out on November 20 (and we don't know why), maybe that's why I won't get there before December, even if ordering on amazon I thought it would come first disbelief

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Reply #323 posted 11/09/19 4:57pm

onlyforaminute

Roby78 said:



motherfunka said:




Roby78 said:


Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl



Keep talking pls lurking




Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol





lol lol lol


I ordered on amazon,But in Italy the book will come out on November 20 (and we don't know why), maybe that's why I won't get there before December, even if ordering on amazon I thought it would come first disbelief


Can't you kindle it or do Audible?
Year of Return 2019
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Reply #324 posted 11/10/19 2:26am

FrankieCoco1

https://mobile.twitter.co...1862611968

This link shows that the Foyles bookshop in London have made a good effort for this release.
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Reply #325 posted 11/10/19 7:23am

kingricefan

Where did they get the huge poster under the Prince sign of the book cover???? I want!! I want!! I WANT!!! biggrin

FrankieCoco1 said:

https://mobile.twitter.co...1862611968 This link shows that the Foyles bookshop in London have made a good effort for this release.

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Reply #326 posted 11/10/19 8:03am

poppys

kingricefan said:

Where did they get the huge poster under the Prince sign of the book cover???? I want!! I want!! I WANT!!! biggrin

FrankieCoco1 said:

https://mobile.twitter.co...1862611968 This link shows that the Foyles bookshop in London have made a good effort for this release.

Nice display! It's the full photo with the short shorts too.

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Reply #327 posted 11/11/19 8:48am

bsprout

Late news but the book was #2 on the Publishers Weekly hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week ending 2nd November biggrin
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Reply #328 posted 11/11/19 6:46pm

bsprout

bsprout said:

Late news but the book was #2 on the Publishers Weekly hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week ending 2nd November biggrin

It’s still the #2 bestseller on PW for this week (November 11th)
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Reply #329 posted 11/11/19 9:25pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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It kinda sux that the book discussion is centered around articles and sales.

Why is that??

There is much to talk about.


Seriously, no one wants to talk about Ps written relationship with his parents?

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