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Thread started 10/17/19 9:19am

Kares

I Feel For You (Acoustic Demo) 4:30

Anyone have any info on how this track just got out? It's amazing! smile
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According to the info I got it's coming out TOMORROW (October 18) as a single, together with the album version, on Rhino/Warners.

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The tape speed is totally off though, whomever transferred it from the original cassette didn't notice (or didn't care) that now it plays about 50 cents sharp (and faster) than it should. sad
Still, it's really funky and cool.
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STAFF NOTES BELOW

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The track is starting to appear on streaming services.

There are two cover artworks floating around, this is one of them, the other is the handwritten lyrics to the song:



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Reply #1 posted 10/17/19 9:28am

love2thenines2003

Kares said:

Anyone have any info on how this track just got out? It's amazing! smile
.
According to the info I got it's coming out TOMORROW (October 18) as a single, together with the album version, on Rhino/Warners.

.
The tape speed is totally off though, whomever transferred it from the original cassette didn't notice (or didn't care) that now it plays about 50 cents sharp (and faster) than it should. sad
Still, it's really funky and cool.
.

[Edited 10/17/19 9:25am]

i don't see the point at all why Rhino/WBR would release this song.....they already have a project ready 2 be released at the end of November 2019 (1999 DELUXE)....SO ...i think there is confusion from ur side !

[Edited 10/17/19 9:28am]

Reply #2 posted 10/17/19 9:31am

Kares

love2thenines2003 said:

Kares said:

Anyone have any info on how this track just got out? It's amazing! smile
.
According to the info I got it's coming out TOMORROW (October 18) as a single, together with the album version, on Rhino/Warners.

.
The tape speed is totally off though, whomever transferred it from the original cassette didn't notice (or didn't care) that now it plays about 50 cents sharp (and faster) than it should. sad
Still, it's really funky and cool.
.

[Edited 10/17/19 9:25am]

i don't see the point at all why Rhino/WBR would release this song.....they already have a project ready 2 be released at the end of November 2019 (1999 DELUXE)....SO ...i think there is confusion from ur side !

[Edited 10/17/19 9:28am]

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Yes, I'm confused why this one just popped up, hence my question. But it did and it sure is funky.

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Reply #3 posted 10/17/19 9:35am

IstenSzek

Originals 2, perhaps? although it doesn't make any sense to release something from that (if it is
a thing, at all) now, since all attention should go to 1999 right now.

perhaps it's just a bootleg release? where did you hear it? and how sure is it that it will actually
be released on rhino/wb?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #4 posted 10/17/19 9:38am

Kares

IstenSzek said:

Originals 2, perhaps? although it doesn't make any sense to release something from that (if it is
a thing, at all) now, since all attention should go to 1999 right now.

perhaps it's just a bootleg release? where did you hear it? and how sure is it that it will actually
be released on rhino/wb?

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Could be a bootleg, yes. The info said Rhino but that could be wrong of course. We'll see.

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Reply #5 posted 10/17/19 9:44am

love2thenines2003

Kares said:

love2thenines2003 said:

i don't see the point at all why Rhino/WBR would release this song.....they already have a project ready 2 be released at the end of November 2019 (1999 DELUXE)....SO ...i think there is confusion from ur side !

[Edited 10/17/19 9:28am]

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Yes, I'm confused why this one just popped up, hence my question. But it did and it sure is funky.

Source of ur info Link ?

thanx

Reply #6 posted 10/17/19 9:52am

sulls

Cool! Can't wait!!! Lame we have to wait a day - or longer. confused

[Edited 10/17/19 10:21am]

"I like to watch."
Reply #7 posted 10/17/19 10:12am

Romeoblu

It's the 40th anniversary of the Prince album on Saturday. Released 19th October 1979.
Reply #8 posted 10/17/19 10:40am

vivifiant

I don't think the speed is off, but then again I'm not an expert on those things.

It's definitely faster compared to the original version.

Whether it's official or not, I love that we got this rare gem in pristine, true lossless quality.

Reply #9 posted 10/17/19 10:43am

Kares

vivifiant said:

I don't think the speed is off, but then again I'm not an expert on those things.

It's definitely faster compared to the original version.

Whether it's official or not, I love that we got this rare gem in pristine, true lossless quality.

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It's not just the tempo is a bit too fast but the pitch is sharp too, so they simply didn't adjust the tape speed to normal pitch when they were transferring the original cassette.
But yeah, I love it, it's amazing (and the tape speed is an easy fix)!

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Reply #10 posted 10/17/19 10:51am

love2thenines2003

Kares said:

 



vivifiant said:


I don't think the speed is off, but then again I'm not an expert on those things.


It's definitely faster compared to the original version.


 


Whether it's official or not, I love that we got this rare gem in pristine, true lossless quality.



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It's not just the tempo is a bit too fast but the pitch is sharp too, so they simply didn't adjust the tape speed to normal pitch when they were transferring the original cassette.
But yeah, I love it, it's amazing (and the tape speed is an easy fix)! 



What are u talking about...a new leak from bootleg space or something official...can u share a direct link if it's official ? Thanx
Reply #11 posted 10/17/19 11:09am

Pellwormer

[Snip no no no! - luv4u]

Reply #12 posted 10/17/19 11:29am

TwiliteKid

love2thenines2003 said:

Kares said:

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It's not just the tempo is a bit too fast but the pitch is sharp too, so they simply didn't adjust the tape speed to normal pitch when they were transferring the original cassette.
But yeah, I love it, it's amazing (and the tape speed is an easy fix)!

What are u talking about...a new leak from bootleg space or something official...can u share a direct link if it's official ? Thanx

He clearly says its a release from Rhino/Warner, not a bootleg.

I would love to know more about how/where he's come across this though...

Reply #13 posted 10/17/19 11:37am

Genesia

Has Tyka seen it?

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Reply #14 posted 10/17/19 12:07pm

antonb

are you sure this is real ? [Snip no no no! - luv4u]

Reply #15 posted 10/17/19 12:11pm

LoveGalore

IstenSzek said:

Originals 2, perhaps? although it doesn't make any sense to release something from that (if it is
a thing, at all) now, since all attention should go to 1999 right now.

perhaps it's just a bootleg release? where did you hear it? and how sure is it that it will actually
be released on rhino/wb?



I doubt it would be on Originals 2 because Chaka covered the released version.
Reply #16 posted 10/17/19 12:18pm

love2thenines2003

I think it's a joke or a fanmade version!
Reply #17 posted 10/17/19 12:20pm

laytonian

LoveGalore said:

IstenSzek said:

Originals 2, perhaps? although it doesn't make any sense to release something from that (if it is
a thing, at all) now, since all attention should go to 1999 right now.

perhaps it's just a bootleg release? where did you hear it? and how sure is it that it will actually
be released on rhino/wb?

I doubt it would be on Originals 2 because Chaka covered the released version.


Why? It was first released on the "Prince" album not Chaka's.

But the point of Originals is to hear songs that HE did not release but gave to others.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
Reply #18 posted 10/17/19 12:20pm

antonb

I smell a rat!

Reply #19 posted 10/17/19 1:12pm

LoveGalore

laytonian said:

 



LoveGalore said:


IstenSzek said:

Originals 2, perhaps? although it doesn't make any sense to release something from that (if it is
a thing, at all) now, since all attention should go to 1999 right now.

perhaps it's just a bootleg release? where did you hear it? and how sure is it that it will actually
be released on rhino/wb?



I doubt it would be on Originals 2 because Chaka covered the released version.


Why?   It was first released on the "Prince" album not Chaka's.

But the point of Originals is to hear songs that HE did not release but gave to others.    



Because that's not how this song went. He gave the demo for IF4U to Patrice Rushen, not Chaka. Chaka covered the released version in 1984.

An acoustic demo in this context would be more appropriate on an expanded deluxe edition.

See: Nothing Compares 2 U
Reply #20 posted 10/17/19 1:12pm

love2thenines2003

antonb said:

I smell a rat!



Yes a Huge One!
Reply #21 posted 10/17/19 2:02pm

LoveGalore

https://www.youtube.com/w...80LChZpCyo

It's on the official YouTube now.

Doesn't sound off to me. It's a demo. Same thing with "Kiss" demo which is much slower than the released version.

[Edited 10/17/19 14:04pm]

Reply #22 posted 10/17/19 2:11pm

Kares

LoveGalore said:

https://www.youtube.com/w...80LChZpCyo

It's on the official YouTube now.

Doesn't sound off to me. It's a demo. Same thing with "Kiss" demo which is much slower than the released version.

[Edited 10/17/19 14:04pm]

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Prince tuned his instruments to standard pitch (A=440Hz) and this tape plays sharp (and fast). This song is supposed to be in F#. There's nothing subjective or debatable about this.

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Reply #23 posted 10/17/19 2:30pm

antonb

now gone

Reply #24 posted 10/17/19 2:31pm

IstenSzek

antonb said:

now gone


it is neutral but it seems that it was actually on there, from the looks of the site, so this
is probably going to be a legit release eek

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #25 posted 10/17/19 2:33pm

TheSilentMikey

IstenSzek said:

antonb said:

now gone


it is neutral but it seems that it was actually on there, from the looks of the site, so this
is probably going to be a legit release eek

Timezones. You guys will have it once you reach Friday midnight.

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #26 posted 10/17/19 2:47pm

IstenSzek

TheSilentMikey said:

IstenSzek said:


it is neutral but it seems that it was actually on there, from the looks of the site, so this
is probably going to be a legit release eek

Timezones. You guys will have it once you reach Friday midnight.


woot! excited smile

but still though, wtf kind of random releas is this? lol at least, it SEEMS random right now.
perhaps there will be a press blurb detailing more stuff about the why and how of it all.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #27 posted 10/17/19 2:48pm

fabriziovenerandi

It is now on iTunes Japan, with cover...

https://music.apple.com/jp/album/i-feel-for-you-acoustic-demo-i-feel-for-you-single/1483790892

Reply #28 posted 10/17/19 2:55pm

dodger

Genesia said:

Has Tyka seen it?



Doubt it, she's too busy looking at his passports
Reply #29 posted 10/17/19 3:00pm

LoveGalore

Kares said:

 



LoveGalore said:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X80LChZpCyo


 


It's on the official YouTube now.


 


Doesn't sound off to me. It's a demo. Same thing with "Kiss" demo which is much slower than the released version.


[Edited 10/17/19 14:04pm]



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Prince tuned his instruments to standard pitch (A=440Hz) and this tape plays sharp (and fast). This song is supposed to be in F#. There's nothing subjective or debatable about this.



It's pretty subjective given it sounds fine to my ears. But do you, sweetie.
Reply #30 posted 10/17/19 3:00pm

FrankieCoco1

Is this the (as shown on Prince Vault) “early version of the song recorded on 17 February 1979 at Music Farm Studios in New York, NY, USA, during a day of sessions led by Pepé Willie”?
Reply #31 posted 10/17/19 3:02pm

BartVanHemelen

The YouTube preview is a picture of the handwritten lyrics: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/X8...efault.jpg .

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The credits in the YouTube summary are: "Provided to YouTube by Rhino/Warner Records. / Copyright 1979 NPG Records, Inc., under exclusive license to Warner Records Inc. / Producer, Vocals: PRINCE / Composer: Prince".

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Reply #32 posted 10/17/19 3:05pm

fabriziovenerandi

Now it is working in Italy

Reply #33 posted 10/17/19 3:12pm

TheSilentMikey

LoveGalore said:

Kares said:

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Prince tuned his instruments to standard pitch (A=440Hz) and this tape plays sharp (and fast). This song is supposed to be in F#. There's nothing subjective or debatable about this.

It's pretty subjective given it sounds fine to my ears. But do you, sweetie.

It sounds off. Way off. It's easily noticeable. Compare it to the album version. This version has its pitch completely messed up (tape issues).

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #34 posted 10/17/19 3:13pm

antonb

sorry to kares the person who posted this, for being cynical, I have heard it now, and its pretty cool! Thanks for the heads up

Reply #35 posted 10/17/19 3:15pm

Kares

antonb said:

sorry to kares the person who posted this, for being cynical, I have heard it now, and its pretty cool! Thanks for the heads up

no worries!

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Reply #36 posted 10/17/19 3:20pm

Ramzoo

antonb said:

sorry to kares the person who posted this, for being cynical, I have heard it now, and its pretty cool! Thanks for the heads up

Thumbs up indeed for the guy who posted this thread! We're very lucky for all those new materials but will we keep up considering the whole legacy? I read in the site that someone didn't listen to the Love Symbol since ten years! Impossible for me. Of course I can't tell the frequency but I try to hear everything frequently.

Reply #37 posted 10/17/19 3:20pm

BartVanHemelen

Crazy. Next to nothing one year, and now Warners are falling over themselves to get product out.

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Reply #38 posted 10/17/19 3:27pm

WhisperingDandelions

can someone forward these people a Google search or Wikipedia article on cassette tape speeds or something? Dr. Reverb and Mikey Howe clearly skipped that day of audio class, and it's clearly not going to get any better left to their own devices.

[Edited 10/17/19 15:28pm]

Reply #39 posted 10/17/19 3:30pm

WhisperingDandelions

LoveGalore said:

Kares said:

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Prince tuned his instruments to standard pitch (A=440Hz) and this tape plays sharp (and fast). This song is supposed to be in F#. There's nothing subjective or debatable about this.

It's pretty subjective given it sounds fine to my ears. But do you, sweetie.

....but tunings/keys aren't subjective, you could literally run any free tuning program to tell you if something is sharp or flat. Whether it ultimately sounds "fine" or not isn't even the question or debate.... There's literally a correct or incorrect answer.

Reply #40 posted 10/17/19 3:34pm

WhisperingDandelions

Mine says "Video Unavailable." Is this one of those non-US international things?

[edit] k, fri@midnite then.

[Edited 10/17/19 15:35pm]

Reply #41 posted 10/17/19 3:37pm

TheEnglishGent

WhisperingDandelions said:

Mine says "Video Unavailable."  Is this one of those non-US international things?


[edit] k, fri@midnite then.

[Edited 10/17/19 15:35pm]


Said unavailable for me too. I’m in the uk. Need sleep now anyway, hopefully it’ll be all sorted when I wake.
RIP sad
Reply #42 posted 10/17/19 3:44pm

Kares

WhisperingDandelions said:

can someone forward these people a Google search or Wikipedia article on cassette tape speeds or something? Dr. Reverb and Mikey Howe clearly skipped that day of audio class, and it's clearly not going to get any better left to their own devices.

[Edited 10/17/19 15:28pm]

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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it.
.

For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
.
Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad
.

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Reply #43 posted 10/17/19 3:46pm

Militant

moderator

Sticky'd, featured, and artwork added to original post.

Very cool release!

Reply #44 posted 10/17/19 3:58pm

toejam

Kares said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

can someone forward these people a Google search or Wikipedia article on cassette tape speeds or something? Dr. Reverb and Mikey Howe clearly skipped that day of audio class, and it's clearly not going to get any better left to their own devices.

.
I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it.
.

For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
.
Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad
.

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Excellent post, Kares. This shouldn't be an issue - it is an easy fix. But given this is a demo, it's also possible that Prince simply tuned his guitar on the fly without a reference note, and as such did it a little sharp by accident. Who knows. I suspect you're right, though.

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Reply #45 posted 10/17/19 4:00pm

love2thenines2003

antonb said:

sorry to kares the person who posted this, for being cynical, I have heard it now, and its pretty cool! Thanks for the heads up



My apologies too! Thanx
Reply #46 posted 10/17/19 4:01pm

MIRvmn

I just bought it on play store and I really like this acoustic demo smile
[Edited 10/17/19 16:02pm]
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #47 posted 10/17/19 4:03pm

IstenSzek

but why? why now? biggrin i don't understand it. not that i have to understand it to enjoy it music woot!

but what is the plan here? is this the first hint of more reissues coming (soon)? because if they
are not coming soon, what on earth are they doing releasing this BEFORE the 1999 reissue? eek

i hope they will release another (few) reissue box(es) this year. yes, please drool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #48 posted 10/17/19 4:09pm

Kares

toejam said:

Kares said:

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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it.
.

For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
.
Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad
.

.

Excellent post, Kares. This shouldn't be an issue - it is an easy fix. But given this is a demo, it's also possible that Prince simply tuned his guitar on the fly without a reference note, and as such did it a little sharp by accident. Who knows. I suspect you're right, though.

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In the case of P&AM83 we can be sure that his piano wasn't tuned to A=445, as it sounds like on the release. Also, I suspect Prince had perfect pitch, and if I'm right, he didn't even need a reference for tuning. But even if he didn't have perfect pitch, I don't think he would've tuned the guitar THIS wrong. 40-50 cents difference is VERY obvious to anyone with relatively good ears – and speeding up (or slowing down) a vocal recording by this much also makes the human voice sound a little unnatural.
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And not all the songs are pitch-correct on Originals either, so I'm afraid the subject of the matter is definitely a recurring oversight on Howe's part.
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[Edited 10/17/19 16:13pm]

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Reply #49 posted 10/17/19 4:30pm

WhisperingDandelions

Kares said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

can someone forward these people a Google search or Wikipedia article on cassette tape speeds or something? Dr. Reverb and Mikey Howe clearly skipped that day of audio class, and it's clearly not going to get any better left to their own devices.

[Edited 10/17/19 15:28pm]

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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it.
.

For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
.
Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad
.

So odd. So his intention was to leave tape audio untouched, but for the full mix down masters we get the other guy submerging all the individual tracks in a vat of reverb? How is that congruous?

His perspective in general just screams a lack of knowledge for how cassettes work, for all the reasons you specify and are clearly aware of. Like I said, I mean, I believe a simple Google search will provide a similar lines of logical explanation... there's no way of convincing this guy of indisputable fact?

[Edited 10/17/19 16:51pm]

Reply #50 posted 10/17/19 4:34pm

TwiliteKid

IstenSzek said:

but why? why now? biggrin i don't understand it. not that i have to understand it to enjoy it music woot!

but what is the plan here? is this the first hint of more reissues coming (soon)? because if they
are not coming soon, what on earth are they doing releasing this BEFORE the 1999 reissue? eek

i hope they will release another (few) reissue box(es) this year. yes, please drool



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Reply #51 posted 10/17/19 4:40pm

AvocadosMax

I DONT SEE IT ON APPLE OR TIDAL
Reply #52 posted 10/17/19 4:43pm

AvocadosMax

I clicked the link on the violent reality channel, and the video just blank saying “This video is not available” yet its on the official Prince youtube channel

So did they change their mind???? Wtf
Reply #53 posted 10/17/19 4:44pm

AvocadosMax

AvocadosMax said:

I clicked the link on the violent reality channel, and the video just blank saying “This video is not available” yet its on the official Prince youtube channel

So did they change their mind???? Wtf

Sorry, ****VOILET reality

“Violent reality” would be a funny name for a youtube channel though lol
Reply #54 posted 10/17/19 4:49pm

WhisperingDandelions

AvocadosMax said:

I clicked the link on the violent reality channel, and the video just blank saying “This video is not available” yet its on the official Prince youtube channel So did they change their mind???? Wtf

Earlier in this thread someone said its availability is based on whenever Friday occurs in your own personal timezone, so I'm just clock-watching until then.

[Edited 10/17/19 16:50pm]

Reply #55 posted 10/17/19 4:51pm

AvocadosMax

WhisperingDandelions said:

 



AvocadosMax said:


I clicked the link on the violent reality channel, and the video just blank saying “This video is not available” yet its on the official Prince youtube channel So did they change their mind???? Wtf

Earlier in this thread someone said its availability is based on whenever Friday occurs in your own personal timezone, so I'm just clock-watching until then.

[Edited 10/17/19 16:50pm]


Ahhh. So about 4 hours to go lol
Reply #56 posted 10/17/19 5:27pm

jjam

Well this is a nice surprise...

Reply #57 posted 10/17/19 5:36pm

williamb610

COOL!

I'm getting it, on Amazon, whenever it's available!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully, there's an album or at least more SINGLES to go with it!

Reply #58 posted 10/17/19 6:28pm

jaawwnn

Kares said:

 



WhisperingDandelions said:


can someone forward these people a Google search or Wikipedia article on cassette tape speeds or something?  Dr. Reverb and Mikey Howe clearly skipped that day of audio class, and it's clearly not going to get any better left to their own devices.


[Edited 10/17/19 15:28pm]



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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it. 
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For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
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Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad


I don't doubt your maths but are you sure a 19 year old Prince wasn't just tuning by ear? Going slightly sharp or flat happens all the time, i can name entire albums that were recorded at "incorrect" pitches because the band were just tuning to themselves by ear. I take your point that prince was just using a cheap cassette deck and the problems that arise from that but equally he wasnt too worried about his guitar being perfectly tuned to concert pitch for a quick demo run through. Hell, both could be true at the same time!
Reply #59 posted 10/17/19 6:28pm

jaawwnn

Also, this is a cool release! biggrin
Reply #60 posted 10/17/19 6:41pm

Lovejunky

Hope we get to hear more and more accoustic versions.....

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Reply #61 posted 10/17/19 6:42pm

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Oh nice! thank you! music

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Reply #62 posted 10/17/19 8:15pm

Strive

Give me a whole album of acoustic demos. Please and thanks Mr. Estate smile
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Reply #63 posted 10/17/19 8:21pm

TheEquilizer

Kares said:

Anyone have any info on how this track just got out? It's amazing! smile 
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According to the info I got it's coming out TOMORROW (October 18) as a single, together with the album version, on Rhino/Warners.


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The tape speed is totally off though, whomever transferred it from the original cassette didn't notice (or didn't care) that now it plays about 50 cents sharp (and faster) than it should. sad
Still, it's really funky and cool.




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STAFF NOTES BELOW


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The track is starting to appear on streaming services. 

There are two cover artworks floating around, this is one of them, the other is the handwritten lyrics to the song:




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Who wants a 7” act fast!
Reply #64 posted 10/17/19 8:29pm

LoveGalore

WhisperingDandelions said:

 



LoveGalore said:


Kares said:

 


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Prince tuned his instruments to standard pitch (A=440Hz) and this tape plays sharp (and fast). This song is supposed to be in F#. There's nothing subjective or debatable about this.



It's pretty subjective given it sounds fine to my ears. But do you, sweetie.

 


....but tunings/keys aren't subjective, you could literally run any free tuning program to tell you if something is sharp or flat.  Whether it ultimately sounds "fine" or not isn't even the question or debate.... There's literally a correct or incorrect answer.



Note that all I said is that it sounds fine to my ears. That part is the definition of subjective.
Reply #65 posted 10/17/19 9:14pm

noobman

Ah, this is super cool! cool

Reply #66 posted 10/17/19 9:23pm

Pellwormer

I really like the scatting....(is this the right english word?)

Reply #67 posted 10/17/19 9:25pm

WhisperingDandelions

LoveGalore said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

....but tunings/keys aren't subjective, you could literally run any free tuning program to tell you if something is sharp or flat. Whether it ultimately sounds "fine" or not isn't even the question or debate.... There's literally a correct or incorrect answer.

Note that all I said is that it sounds fine to my ears. That part is the definition of subjective.

But it's really not subjective if the discussion is centered around pitch and tape speed, which it was. Now you're trying to reframe your response as a purely isolated comment on the song itself, but that's just not what the previous quote-box back-and-forth denotes.

Reply #68 posted 10/17/19 9:44pm

LoveGalore

WhisperingDandelions said:

 



LoveGalore said:


WhisperingDandelions said:

 


 


....but tunings/keys aren't subjective, you could literally run any free tuning program to tell you if something is sharp or flat.  Whether it ultimately sounds "fine" or not isn't even the question or debate.... There's literally a correct or incorrect answer.



Note that all I said is that it sounds fine to my ears. That part is the definition of subjective.

But it's really not subjective if the discussion is centered around pitch and tape speed, which it was.  Now you're trying to reframe your response as a purely isolated comment on the song itself, but that's just not what the previous quote-box back-and-forth denotes.



Yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree. It's pretty cut and dry when someone says "it sounds fine to my ears." I do recognize that people on the org are constantly trying to mushroom stamp each other with opinions, but that's simply not my interest.
Reply #69 posted 10/17/19 9:49pm

Strive

The youtube video is live.

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Reply #70 posted 10/17/19 9:50pm

PurpleBlackmon

It's being released because it's to celebrate the October 19, 1979 release of his self-titled second album.

Reply #71 posted 10/17/19 9:56pm

Strive

In honor of the 40th anniversary of Prince’s second album, Prince—which was released on October 19, 1979—The Prince Estate and Warner Records are pleased to announce the surprise release of a previously unheard, solo acoustic demo recording of the Grammy-winning Prince track “I Feel for You,” available on streaming services and as a limited-run 7” vinyl single.

The new two-track 7" includes the acoustic demo of “I Feel for You” on the A-side and the original studio recording on the B-side, pressed on commemorative purple vinyl.

The special, stripped-down demo recording captures a 20-year-old Prince in a raw, intimate moment, and begins with the sound of the artist pressing the record button on a cassette tape recorder and picking up an acoustic guitar. The recording was created in the winter of 1978-1979, around the time Prince was preparing to make his solo debut at the Capri Theater in North Minneapolis, and it was recently rediscovered on one of the countless cassette tapes stored in his legendary vault.

The fully produced, studio recording of “I Feel For You” was included on Prince’s second album, Prince. It would become a hit a few years later, when it was covered by Chaka Khan and released as the title track of her solo album, I Feel for You, in 1984. Her version, which featured a cameo by the rapper Melle Mel, became a Top 10 hit on the Billboard Hot 100 and earned two Grammys—including a Grammy Award for Best R&B Song that honored Prince’s contributions as songwriter.



https://store.prince.com/product/5QLPPR048

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Reply #72 posted 10/17/19 10:20pm

AvocadosMax

Now wouldn’t it be nice if they brought back ‘Purple Pick of The Week’ and released stuff that ranged from this to fully completed tracks every week??
Reply #73 posted 10/17/19 10:38pm

masaba

I love it. I love prince.
Reply #74 posted 10/17/19 11:44pm

jraw

the demo sounds a lot fresher than the original release... the disco influence make the original sound dated...

Reply #75 posted 10/18/19 12:04am

JorisE73

Here's the Pre-order Link for the limited edition 7 inch:


https://store.prince.com/product/5QLPPR048

Reply #76 posted 10/18/19 12:18am

Kares

jaawwnn said:

Kares said:

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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it.
.

For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
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Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad
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I don't doubt your maths but are you sure a 19 year old Prince wasn't just tuning by ear? Going slightly sharp or flat happens all the time, i can name entire albums that were recorded at "incorrect" pitches because the band were just tuning to themselves by ear. I take your point that prince was just using a cheap cassette deck and the problems that arise from that but equally he wasnt too worried about his guitar being perfectly tuned to concert pitch for a quick demo run through. Hell, both could be true at the same time!

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I can't rule it out with 100% certainty of course, but I think it's highly unlikely that Prince tuned his guitar wrong (especially this wrong, as 40-50 cents is almost midway between two semitones). Prince at 19-20 was already a professional musician with several years of experience, not some amateur kid. He had several different instruments, including keyboards and synths, and the keys were certainly tuned to concert pitch. He was regularly jumping from one instrument to another, regularly recording, so his guitars HAD to be tuned to match the keyboards.
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The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #77 posted 10/18/19 12:20am

Moonbeam

Nice little bonus treat as an homage to the 40th anniversary of Prince. Not sure I’ll play this much but happy to have it!
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #78 posted 10/18/19 12:31am

jaawwnn

Kares said:

 



jaawwnn said:


Kares said:

 


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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it. 
.


For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
.
Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad



I don't doubt your maths but are you sure a 19 year old Prince wasn't just tuning by ear? Going slightly sharp or flat happens all the time, i can name entire albums that were recorded at "incorrect" pitches because the band were just tuning to themselves by ear. I take your point that prince was just using a cheap cassette deck and the problems that arise from that but equally he wasnt too worried about his guitar being perfectly tuned to concert pitch for a quick demo run through. Hell, both could be true at the same time!

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I can't rule it out with 100% certainty of course, but I think it's highly unlikely that Prince tuned his guitar wrong (especially this wrong, as 40-50 cents is almost midway between two semitones). Prince at 19-20 was already a professional musician with several years of experience, not some amateur kid. He had several different instruments, including keyboards and synths, and the keys were certainly tuned to concert pitch. He was regularly jumping from one instrument to another, regularly recording, so his guitars HAD to be tuned to match the keyboards.



Yeah, don't get me wrong, yours is probably more plausible, I'm just wondering if there's any way of knowing for sure. Thanks for the response.
[Edited 10/18/19 0:32am]
Reply #79 posted 10/18/19 12:54am

Kares

jaawwnn said:

Kares said:

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I can't rule it out with 100% certainty of course, but I think it's highly unlikely that Prince tuned his guitar wrong (especially this wrong, as 40-50 cents is almost midway between two semitones). Prince at 19-20 was already a professional musician with several years of experience, not some amateur kid. He had several different instruments, including keyboards and synths, and the keys were certainly tuned to concert pitch. He was regularly jumping from one instrument to another, regularly recording, so his guitars HAD to be tuned to match the keyboards.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, yours is probably more plausible, I'm just wondering if there's any way of knowing for sure. Thanks for the response. [Edited 10/18/19 0:32am]

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If we disregard all the reasoning above, the only way to decide is to compare the two versions and trying to tell which one will give you a more natural sounding human voice (and it's harder with falsetto vocals).
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In case of professional studio tapes: they should contain reference tone(s) (at least a 1kHz sine wave) so when they are played back on another machine, the speed can be calibrated to match the correct speed of the recording.
But knowing how fast Prince worked, I'm not sure if his engineers/technicians always had the time to follow industry standards in this regard so most probably there are a lot of master tapes without reference tones in is vault.
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The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #80 posted 10/18/19 1:20am

LittleProfessor

Kares said:

toejam said:

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Excellent post, Kares. This shouldn't be an issue - it is an easy fix. But given this is a demo, it's also possible that Prince simply tuned his guitar on the fly without a reference note, and as such did it a little sharp by accident. Who knows. I suspect you're right, though.

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In the case of P&AM83 we can be sure that his piano wasn't tuned to A=445, as it sounds like on the release. Also, I suspect Prince had perfect pitch, and if I'm right, he didn't even need a reference for tuning. But even if he didn't have perfect pitch, I don't think he would've tuned the guitar THIS wrong. 40-50 cents difference is VERY obvious to anyone with relatively good ears – and speeding up (or slowing down) a vocal recording by this much also makes the human voice sound a little unnatural.
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And not all the songs are pitch-correct on Originals either, so I'm afraid the subject of the matter is definitely a recurring oversight on Howe's part.
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[Edited 10/17/19 16:13pm]

Quick note on perfect pitch: he did not. I also suspected it, but ran across an interview somewhere in which he said himself he didn't. PLUS, there are couple places I've run across him asking about a key (when sitting in, or joining a jam). He wouldn't have to do that if he had perfect pitch.

And I find it pretty shocking that they wouldn't correct for pitch. Anyone who's ever worked with reel to reel at all (also as an actual trained archivist, not an industry guy who calls himself one in articles on the digitization), you start the tape with a 1 kHz tone for calibration purposes. The fact that this guy isn't aware of how much analog machines vary concerns me that he's the one in charge of digitization.

That said, shifting pitch digitally creates artifacts. If they were audible, that would be a good reason not to do so. But it would also be a reason to state that in liner notes.

Kares - just saw your last post - wasn't implying you didn't know this about 1k. I've had a piece on the Vault and recording technologies on the back burner, so when I pull it back out, I'll have to ask some of the engineers about how meticulous they were when swapping reels. But he did stuff on his own (like the cassettes), so all bets are off, there.

[Edited 10/18/19 1:34am]

Reply #81 posted 10/18/19 1:26am

JorisE73

LittleProfessor said:

Kares said:

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In the case of P&AM83 we can be sure that his piano wasn't tuned to A=445, as it sounds like on the release. Also, I suspect Prince had perfect pitch, and if I'm right, he didn't even need a reference for tuning. But even if he didn't have perfect pitch, I don't think he would've tuned the guitar THIS wrong. 40-50 cents difference is VERY obvious to anyone with relatively good ears – and speeding up (or slowing down) a vocal recording by this much also makes the human voice sound a little unnatural.
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And not all the songs are pitch-correct on Originals either, so I'm afraid the subject of the matter is definitely a recurring oversight on Howe's part.
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[Edited 10/17/19 16:13pm]

Quick note on perfect pitch: he did not. I also suspected it, but ran across an interview somewhere in which he said himself he didn't. PLUS, there are couple places I've run across him asking about a key (when sitting in, or joining a jam). He wouldn't have to do that if he had perfect pitch.

And I find it pretty shocking that they wouldn't correct for pitch. If you've ever worked with reel to reel at all (also as an actual trained archivist, not an industry guy who calls himself one), you start the tape with a 1 kHz tone for calibration purposes. The fact that this guy isn't aware of how much analog machines vary concerns me that he's the one in charge of these releases. That said, shifting pitch digitally creates artifacts. If they were audible, that would be a good reason not to do so. But it would also be a reason to state that in liner notes.


Again we see there's more knowledge here then with the bozo's handeling the recordings.

Reply #82 posted 10/18/19 2:06am

jazzz

Wow, great little track!! Hope there are more of such treasures in the vault.
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And please, stop whining about the "tape speed". Just enjoy this piece of art.... (who knows, maybe Prince's guitar was just not tuned exactly to 440)

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Reply #83 posted 10/18/19 2:11am

TheEnglishGent

Kares said:

jaawwnn said:

Kares said: Yeah, don't get me wrong, yours is probably more plausible, I'm just wondering if there's any way of knowing for sure. Thanks for the response. [Edited 10/18/19 0:32am]

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If we disregard all the reasoning above, the only way to decide is to compare the two versions and trying to tell which one will give you a more natural sounding human voice (and it's harder with falsetto vocals).
.
In case of professional studio tapes: they should contain reference tone(s) (at least a 1kHz sine wave) so when they are played back on another machine, the speed can be calibrated to match the correct speed of the recording.
But knowing how fast Prince worked, I'm not sure if his engineers/technicians always had the time to follow industry standards in this regard so most probably there are a lot of master tapes without reference tones in is vault.
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You're talking about master tapes but isn't this demo something Prince just recorded straight onto a standard consumer audio casette, C90 or similar? Feels wrong to be talking about professional studio tapes when that isn't relevant to this release.

Do we know where this was recorded? I assume without any engineers or technicians present? Maybe Prince just had a guitar handy, picked it up and started strumming his idea in his bedroom? That being the case, this was never intended for anyone to hear, let alone to be released. Isn't it just an idea on a 'notepad' for him to refer back to later in the studio. In which case, there's no reason for him to have worried about tuning his guitar if all he wanted to do was get his idea down.

When you're working with consumer grade tapes there's always margin for error. I know that there's no doubt on the technically correct speed when matching it to the released studio version, but that doesn't mean that Prince had to record his original idea in the same key.

Anyway, for me and my inexact ear this is a great release. I'm very happy to hear this and glad the estate have decided to release it. Let's hope we get more regular surprise releases of this nature.


RIP sad
Reply #84 posted 10/18/19 2:12am

Dandroppedadime

I remember reading somewhere that Prince had the ‘next one down’ from perfect pitch, which I some ways is better to have. Maybe someone can explain this better than me (or is that off topic?). Nice to hear this demo though, lyrics are slightly different in parts.
Reply #85 posted 10/18/19 2:16am

Kares

LittleProfessor said:

Kares said:

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In the case of P&AM83 we can be sure that his piano wasn't tuned to A=445, as it sounds like on the release. Also, I suspect Prince had perfect pitch, and if I'm right, he didn't even need a reference for tuning. But even if he didn't have perfect pitch, I don't think he would've tuned the guitar THIS wrong. 40-50 cents difference is VERY obvious to anyone with relatively good ears – and speeding up (or slowing down) a vocal recording by this much also makes the human voice sound a little unnatural.
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And not all the songs are pitch-correct on Originals either, so I'm afraid the subject of the matter is definitely a recurring oversight on Howe's part.
.

[Edited 10/17/19 16:13pm]

Quick note on perfect pitch: he did not. I also suspected it, but ran across an interview somewhere in which he said himself he didn't. PLUS, there are couple places I've run across him asking about a key (when sitting in, or joining a jam). He wouldn't have to do that if he had perfect pitch.

And I find it pretty shocking that they wouldn't correct for pitch. Anyone who's ever worked with reel to reel at all (also as an actual trained archivist, not an industry guy who calls himself one in articles on the digitization), you start the tape with a 1 kHz tone for calibration purposes. The fact that this guy isn't aware of how much analog machines vary concerns me that he's the one in charge of digitization.

That said, shifting pitch digitally creates artifacts. If they were audible, that would be a good reason not to do so. But it would also be a reason to state that in liner notes.

Kares - just saw your last post - wasn't implying you didn't know this about 1k. I've had a piece on the Vault and recording technologies on the back burner, so when I pull it back out, I'll have to ask some of the engineers about how meticulous they were when swapping reels. But he did stuff on his own (like the cassettes), so all bets are off, there.

[Edited 10/18/19 1:34am]

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Thanks for the clarification about him not having perfect pitch, I suspected he did but I wasn't sure. I'm sure he had relative pitch though.
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And you're right, it's mindboggling to see people in charge of archiving who don't care about correct tape speed.
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In regards to mastertapes having reference tones: yes, they should, but thinking about how fast Prince forced his engineers to work, I suspect that a lot of his mastertapes start with the sound of his fingers tapping impatiently, instead of the 1kHz tone... razz
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BTW: the process of correcting speed (pitch+tempo together) digitally doesn't have audible side-effects, it's only when you're changing either pitch or tempo independently of the other you'll end up corrupting the sound quality.
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[Edited 10/18/19 2:48am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #86 posted 10/18/19 2:20am

Kares

TheEnglishGent said:

Kares said:

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If we disregard all the reasoning above, the only way to decide is to compare the two versions and trying to tell which one will give you a more natural sounding human voice (and it's harder with falsetto vocals).
.
In case of professional studio tapes: they should contain reference tone(s) (at least a 1kHz sine wave) so when they are played back on another machine, the speed can be calibrated to match the correct speed of the recording.
But knowing how fast Prince worked, I'm not sure if his engineers/technicians always had the time to follow industry standards in this regard so most probably there are a lot of master tapes without reference tones in is vault.
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You're talking about master tapes but isn't this demo something Prince just recorded straight onto a standard consumer audio casette, C90 or similar? Feels wrong to be talking about professional studio tapes when that isn't relevant to this release.


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I was talking about his cassette recorder all along, and yes, of course this is a cassette recording.
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I only added 1 paragraph about studio tapes to explain that they are easier to calibrate for the proper playback speed with the aid of the reference tones they usually have.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #87 posted 10/18/19 2:26am

PURPLEIZED3121

jaawwnn said:

Kares said:

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I can't rule it out with 100% certainty of course, but I think it's highly unlikely that Prince tuned his guitar wrong (especially this wrong, as 40-50 cents is almost midway between two semitones). Prince at 19-20 was already a professional musician with several years of experience, not some amateur kid. He had several different instruments, including keyboards and synths, and the keys were certainly tuned to concert pitch. He was regularly jumping from one instrument to another, regularly recording, so his guitars HAD to be tuned to match the keyboards.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, yours is probably more plausible, I'm just wondering if there's any way of knowing for sure. Thanks for the response. [Edited 10/18/19 0:32am]

fuck me!...seriously? it's a friggin demo, probably done on the spot 'in the moment'...do you play guitar?...I do...i jam...in the moment when inspiration strikes...perfect tuning comes later.

I despair!!

Reply #88 posted 10/18/19 2:27am

PURPLEIZED3121

back on point, a fantastic & lovely surprise from the estate. Look forward to more.

Reply #89 posted 10/18/19 2:41am

fabriziovenerandi

It is a digital download and a single purple 7''.

https://www.prince.com/ar...el-for-you

No deluxe edition biggrin

Reply #90 posted 10/18/19 3:03am

Kares

jazzz said:

Wow, great little track!! Hope there are more of such treasures in the vault.
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And please, stop whining about the "tape speed". Just enjoy this piece of art....

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I DO enjoy the track. That's what I started my initial post about this with. It's absolutely great and was a nice surprise and I've been listening to it dozens of times for hours before even the very first reports of it appearing on YT and iTunes started coming in.
I absolutely LOVE it.

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But there are lots of us who are deeply concerned about the fate of the vault and about the many technical issues of ALL of the official releases so far. Do you think the Estate will make the necessary changes to ensure future releases are produced more professionally if no-one is "whining" about these issues? Do you think simply cheering everything they put out will result in better quality, more comprehensive and reasonably priced sets?
Someone has to "whine" to raise awareness of the many issues. That does NOT mean that getting new music is not appreciated. Of course it is.

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #91 posted 10/18/19 3:47am

djdaffy1227

Just ordered the 45 from the Estate. It's really interesting to hear this version. I like it.

Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
Reply #92 posted 10/18/19 4:04am

LoveGalore

Kares said:

 



jazzz said:


Wow, great little track!! Hope there are more of such treasures in the vault.
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And please, stop whining about the "tape speed". Just enjoy this piece of art....


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I DO enjoy the track. That's what I started my initial post about this with. It's absolutely great and was a nice surprise and I've been listening to it dozens of times for hours before even the very first reports of it appearing on YT and iTunes started coming in. 
I absolutely LOVE it.


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But there are lots of us who are deeply concerned about the fate of the vault and about the many technical issues of ALL of the official releases so far. Do you think the Estate will make the necessary changes to ensure future releases are produced more professionally if no-one is "whining" about these issues? Do you think simply cheering everything they put out will result in better quality, more comprehensive and reasonably priced sets? 
Someone has to "whine" to raise awareness of the many issues. That does NOT mean that getting new music is not appreciated. Of course it is.


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Well, the CSI fans have been proven wrong on at least one occasion. That is probably what inspired the cinematic mix of Nothing Compares 2 U - fans crowing that the Estate wasnt using masters so they specifically did a mix to show his isolated vocals.

And for all the interesting and informative dialogue about tape speeds, transfer processes, and (near-) perfect pitch, there is also equally plausible theory around it literally being a 20 year old Prince picking up a guitar, hitting record on the boombox, and knocking out an extremely rough draft of a song. Any number of technical errors or imperfections could've been achieved during this - including a guitar that is out of tune.

Further, you insinuated his voice sounds unnatural and that is something I wholly disagree with. Match this tune up to other acoustic tracks of the era and it fits right in, to my ears. My very unscientific, ramshackle ears.

In the end, I'm glad you do like it because I think it's brilliant and I hope the estate does continue to make choices like this. And I believe they make these choices with the best of intentions. I know some folks on here are undiscovered Bernie Grundmans and Susan Rogerses and Questloves. Everyone seems to think they'd do a better job of what's going on so far.

But at least some of us are grooving to it.
Reply #93 posted 10/18/19 4:09am

IstenSzek

been listening to it a lot, today music nice little surprise gift cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #94 posted 10/18/19 4:36am

jazzz

Kares said:

 



jazzz said:


Wow, great little track!! Hope there are more of such treasures in the vault.
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And please, stop whining about the "tape speed". Just enjoy this piece of art....


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I DO enjoy the track. That's what I started my initial post about this with. It's absolutely great and was a nice surprise and I've been listening to it dozens of times for hours before even the very first reports of it appearing on YT and iTunes started coming in. 
I absolutely LOVE it.


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But there are lots of us who are deeply concerned about the fate of the vault and about the many technical issues of ALL of the official releases so far. Do you think the Estate will make the necessary changes to ensure future releases are produced more professionally if no-one is "whining" about these issues? Do you think simply cheering everything they put out will result in better quality, more comprehensive and reasonably priced sets? 
Someone has to "whine" to raise awareness of the many issues. That does NOT mean that getting new music is not appreciated. Of course it is.


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Thanks for your reply, and for selectively editing out my remark about the guitar not being tuned exactly to 440 Hz. I understand that this remark does not fit in your way of reasoning, or that you even did not think about it in the first place!
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Reply #95 posted 10/18/19 4:42am

Kares

LoveGalore said:

Kares said:

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I DO enjoy the track. That's what I started my initial post about this with. It's absolutely great and was a nice surprise and I've been listening to it dozens of times for hours before even the very first reports of it appearing on YT and iTunes started coming in.
I absolutely LOVE it.

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But there are lots of us who are deeply concerned about the fate of the vault and about the many technical issues of ALL of the official releases so far. Do you think the Estate will make the necessary changes to ensure future releases are produced more professionally if no-one is "whining" about these issues? Do you think simply cheering everything they put out will result in better quality, more comprehensive and reasonably priced sets?
Someone has to "whine" to raise awareness of the many issues. That does NOT mean that getting new music is not appreciated. Of course it is.

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Well, the CSI fans have been proven wrong on at least one occasion. That is probably what inspired the cinematic mix of Nothing Compares 2 U - fans crowing that the Estate wasnt using masters so they specifically did a mix to show his isolated vocals. And for all the interesting and informative dialogue about tape speeds, transfer processes, and (near-) perfect pitch, there is also equally plausible theory around it literally being a 20 year old Prince picking up a guitar, hitting record on the boombox, and knocking out an extremely rough draft of a song. Any number of technical errors or imperfections could've been achieved during this - including a guitar that is out of tune. Further, you insinuated his voice sounds unnatural and that is something I wholly disagree with. Match this tune up to other acoustic tracks of the era and it fits right in, to my ears. My very unscientific, ramshackle ears. In the end, I'm glad you do like it because I think it's brilliant and I hope the estate does continue to make choices like this. And I believe they make these choices with the best of intentions. I know some folks on here are undiscovered Bernie Grundmans and Susan Rogerses and Questloves. Everyone seems to think they'd do a better job of what's going on so far. But at least some of us are grooving to it.

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(I don't know anything about CSI so I can't comment on that.)

All I ever said about NC2U was that it was PARTIALLY sourced from cassette and for me the new mix doesn't prove otherwise.
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Guitars can go out of tune of course, but they rarely go UP in tune (unless you take them out in the cold, straighten a loose neck or adjust the entire bridge) and they certainly don't make all the strings go up in tune equally so they remain in relative tune. And even if Prince didn't have absolute pitch, I don't think he would've tuned his guitar this far above normal pitch – especially with all his other instruments nearby that were obviously tuned to normal pitch. I didn't rule it out, I said I find it highly unlikely.
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I said "speeding up (or slowing down) a vocal recording by this much also makes the human voice sound a little unnatural" – note: "LITTLE unnatural" – and added that this is harder to notice on falsetto vocals. So I didn't say this sounds unnatural, only meant that in comparing the release with a speed-corrected copy, one of them will sound slightly less natural than the other.
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But really, guys, this is not just about this single demo – if this would be the first and only instance of an official release being out of tune, I would be a bit more open to accepting the possibility that on this instance Prince tuned his guitar wrong. This is YET ANOTHER example of several official releases now that have this issue – and I trust you won't try to insist that P&AM83 was recorded with a piano that was RE-tuned to a reference A of 445Hz...
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Still, of course, having this new tape is amazing and I'm very much enjoying it!

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #96 posted 10/18/19 4:44am

Kares

jazzz said:

Kares said:

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I DO enjoy the track. That's what I started my initial post about this with. It's absolutely great and was a nice surprise and I've been listening to it dozens of times for hours before even the very first reports of it appearing on YT and iTunes started coming in.
I absolutely LOVE it.

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But there are lots of us who are deeply concerned about the fate of the vault and about the many technical issues of ALL of the official releases so far. Do you think the Estate will make the necessary changes to ensure future releases are produced more professionally if no-one is "whining" about these issues? Do you think simply cheering everything they put out will result in better quality, more comprehensive and reasonably priced sets?
Someone has to "whine" to raise awareness of the many issues. That does NOT mean that getting new music is not appreciated. Of course it is.

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. . Thanks for your reply, and for selectively editing out my remark about the guitar not being tuned exactly to 440 Hz. I understand that this remark does not fit in your way of reasoning, or that you even did not think about it in the first place! . .

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Jeez... I edited it out because I've already explained several times before why I find that possibility highly unlikely in the case of an already professional musician who was usually surrounded by several different instruments, including keyboards.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #97 posted 10/18/19 5:07am

ChocolateBox3121

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #98 posted 10/18/19 5:29am

IstenSzek

ChocolateBox3121 said:


lol

same here.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #99 posted 10/18/19 5:50am

TheEnglishGent

I would order it but I have nothing to play it on. I'll stick with the Apple music track.

RIP sad
Reply #100 posted 10/18/19 6:12am

eyewishuheaven

I love how you can hear his foot tappin' on the floor...

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #101 posted 10/18/19 6:20am

Apollo85

For the love of God pleeeeease keep stuff like this coming. This song is such a nice little gift from the Estate. Would love an unreleased demo or track from the vault a month. Even every other month. Please do it.

Reply #102 posted 10/18/19 6:34am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.clashmusic.co...y-intimate

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“I was blown away,” says Prince vault archivist Michael Howe. “Here is 20-year-old Prince thinking aloud, feeling his way through the song. You hear his incredible talent shining through on acoustic guitar, which is not something he typically showcased, and his guide vocal is astonishingly great.”

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© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #103 posted 10/18/19 6:36am

bsprout

Yes, very funky and cool! Love hearing him play the acoustic guitar on this song, which I have always loved, in all its iterations, including Chaka’s! I’d never heard this version before though
Reply #104 posted 10/18/19 7:37am

SoloStrike

Really amazing stuff. If anyone spots a guitar tab for this version would love to see it.

Reply #105 posted 10/18/19 8:10am

2freaky4church1

Why not just praise how good this is? Dude always was solid gittar playa.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #106 posted 10/18/19 10:53am

Genesia

TheEnglishGent said:

Kares said:

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If we disregard all the reasoning above, the only way to decide is to compare the two versions and trying to tell which one will give you a more natural sounding human voice (and it's harder with falsetto vocals).
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In case of professional studio tapes: they should contain reference tone(s) (at least a 1kHz sine wave) so when they are played back on another machine, the speed can be calibrated to match the correct speed of the recording.
But knowing how fast Prince worked, I'm not sure if his engineers/technicians always had the time to follow industry standards in this regard so most probably there are a lot of master tapes without reference tones in is vault.
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You're talking about master tapes but isn't this demo something Prince just recorded straight onto a standard consumer audio casette, C90 or similar? Feels wrong to be talking about professional studio tapes when that isn't relevant to this release.

Do we know where this was recorded? I assume without any engineers or technicians present? Maybe Prince just had a guitar handy, picked it up and started strumming his idea in his bedroom? That being the case, this was never intended for anyone to hear, let alone to be released. Isn't it just an idea on a 'notepad' for him to refer back to later in the studio. In which case, there's no reason for him to have worried about tuning his guitar if all he wanted to do was get his idea down.

When you're working with consumer grade tapes there's always margin for error. I know that there's no doubt on the technically correct speed when matching it to the released studio version, but that doesn't mean that Prince had to record his original idea in the same key.

Anyway, for me and my inexact ear this is a great release. I'm very happy to hear this and glad the estate have decided to release it. Let's hope we get more regular surprise releases of this nature.



Amen to every word of this.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #107 posted 10/18/19 11:23am

Musze

2freaky4church1 said:

Why not just praise how good this is? Dude always was solid gittar playa.

I find myself thinking the same thing... if you isolated just the guitar, I'd think it was the latter part of his career. He was something else.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
Reply #108 posted 10/18/19 12:05pm

williamb610

Ha!

The song just ends. I was looking at the time of the record wondering how it was going to wrap up.

Good stuff, even though I want a proper ending to the song! I wasn't in any rush to go back and listen to the earlier stuff. Now, I AM, if they've got more acoustic versions or different remixes to the earlier stuff!

Estate? MORE PLEASE! And advertise this "ish" dang it. They could really get some sales, if more people knew about it.

Reply #109 posted 10/18/19 12:21pm

piemel

Dropping a grenade like this out of nowhere? Perfectly Prince-like. Awesome

Reply #110 posted 10/18/19 12:35pm

TrevorAyer

yes! .. this is outstanding .. the kind of tune u can share with friends .. instantly sounds a million times better than the "originals" tunes .. mostly because it doesn't have some producers fingerprints all over it mucking up the pureness .. is it fast? hmmm .. logic says prince was anally tuning his instruments with precision .. but he is also known to fuck with tape speed .. i will even admit the "proper" speed for 'purple music' sounds sluggish compared to the boot that was circulating prior .. i can just say this sounds great as is and i hope they keep this shit coming ... when is the graffiti bridge aniversary??? i am ready for a nice clean version of that thieves in the temple acoustic boot that has been around for ever .. that is one of my favorites of all time and if they can make it sound as good as this demo of i feel for you than they are definately on the right track ... also .. i hope they keep dropping songs like this random .. but more often .. maybe a good platform for some of those songs they wont put in the box set ...

Reply #111 posted 10/18/19 1:55pm

Vannormal

WhisperingDandelions said:

Kares said:

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I talked to Michael Howe about this when P&AM83 came out. He didn't notice that its speed (and pitch) is off. His intention was to leave the audio untouched, without any manipulation that could've been performed to enhance the quality. That is fine, an acceptable approach – however, I pointed out that transferring the cassette using a slightly different speed machine than the one it was recorded with IS manipulation as what we end up with is NOT how Prince played/sang it.
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For home demos, Prince obviously used cheap, consumer cassette recorders that weren't calibrated properly (most consumer decks were running a bit faster or slower than normal), so when he taped something with a machine that was running slower and today we play that cassette back on a properly calibrated machine, we are speeding it up. This kind of issue should ALWAYS be corrected, not only because it's a very easy fix without any sideeffects, but also because that's how the music sounded at the time of recording it.
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Apparently though, they still don't agree with this thus we are getting releases with the wrong tempo and pitch... sad
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So odd. So his intention was to leave tape audio untouched, but for the full mix down masters we get the other guy submerging all the individual tracks in a vat of reverb? How is that congruous?

His perspective in general just screams a lack of knowledge for how cassettes work, for all the reasons you specify and are clearly aware of. Like I said, I mean, I believe a simple Google search will provide a similar lines of logical explanation... there's no way of convincing this guy of indisputable fact?

[Edited 10/17/19 16:51pm]

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I can pitch it to the right speed, if I want to, when I have it donwloaded or in released version.

Tried it withthe other so called speeded up recent releases. Not all that much of a difference to me.

I focus on the song, the wrting, etc. For years we had to live with bad quality boots etc. One gets used to (whatever is released first), right?).

Don't always understand the fuzz. Then again, i'm not (that much) of a true (music) technician.

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I do belief M. Howe's genuine.

And the choices they made, ar so far all good for me. I'm happy with basically all of it.

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And for one, I don't care all that much for the full mix down masters, reverbed or not.

Prince also tooled around a lot with his own music...

Like, can't hardly believe the end result of ArtOfficialAge for instance.

Joshua Welton fucked up some (interesting) Prince music there. And Prince let him do it. (...would love to hear the original untouched versions by Prince alone... one day).

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Prince is also known for not caring all that much about the (exact) quality of his output.

He wanted things to move fast forward...

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Or am I wrong ?

wink

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #112 posted 10/18/19 1:57pm

Vannormal

IstenSzek said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:


lol

same here.

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Me Too.

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biggrin

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #113 posted 10/18/19 3:13pm

kitbradley

Nice! Hoping to hear more pre-"1999" material like this.
"It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
Reply #114 posted 10/18/19 3:18pm

controversy99

piemel said:

Dropping a grenade like this out of nowhere? Perfectly Prince-like. Awesome


Boom!! I like what I’m hearing.
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #115 posted 10/18/19 3:53pm

controversy99

This is a great little release. I like hearing this as a demo. I noticed two lyrical changes that Prince made from this version to the official release. First one is in verse one where he sings “won’t you rescue me and take me for a ride.” Second one is in the second pre-chorus where he repeats “it’s mainly a physical thing” instead of switching it to attracted to you.
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The first verse works really well either way, imo. For the second pre-chorus, I think he made the right decision to change the lyrics in the released album version to “physically attracted to you.”
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #116 posted 10/18/19 4:35pm

klick2me

This is probably an easy one but what Jackson family member recorded this song for their album?
klick
Reply #117 posted 10/18/19 5:14pm

nosajd

That scatting is just so lovely
Reply #118 posted 10/18/19 6:32pm

WhisperingDandelions

I can totally understand not caring about the tape speed issue for purely listening aesthetics. Truthfully, honestly, I have whatever the opposite of perfect pitch is, I have zero ability to ascertain pitch and tuning.... but it's about friggin' respect for proper documentation of history. Respect for what the man produced and what the man documented. Kares is the only other person who can ascertain that?

And it's one thing to say, oh, it doesn't matter to me, I don't care, it doesn't affect me. It's another thing to sit and argue the tape speed is correct. I get it, with the estate it's like when you had a questionable childhood but you try and rationalize the decision-making process involved because you don't want to think of your parents as wholly defective people. But c'mon with this, "Well mayybe Prince was feel kooky and decided to tune everything 1/18ths of a percent sharper or flatter and tried to sing a couple semitones in the direction of the Camille or Bob George register organically without altering the speed physically." C'mon now.... Read what you're writing here.

Reply #119 posted 10/18/19 6:33pm

TwiliteKid

klick2me said:

This is probably an easy one but what Jackson family member recorded this song for their album?


Rebbie!
Reply #120 posted 10/18/19 6:44pm

AvocadosMax

Maybe they’ll release an ‘Acoustic Demos’ album next year? Nothing Compares 2 U was a surprise release that made it on Originals. It could be my high hopes but I think I see a pattern here
Reply #121 posted 10/18/19 7:00pm

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM

[Snip - luv4u]

My mind is playing tricks on me.
Funny how a recording can bring that person back to life in one's mind,
at the same time U know it isn't true.
mushy
Reply #122 posted 10/18/19 7:16pm

rdhull

Damn. Just think of the things to come.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #123 posted 10/18/19 7:24pm

jdcxc

Genesia said:

 



TheEnglishGent said:


 



Kares said:


 


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If we disregard all the reasoning above, the only way to decide is to compare the two versions and trying to tell which one will give you a more natural sounding human voice (and it's harder with falsetto vocals).
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In case of professional studio tapes: they should contain reference tone(s) (at least a 1kHz sine wave) so when they are played back on another machine, the speed can be calibrated to match the correct speed of the recording. 
But knowing how fast Prince worked, I'm not sure if his engineers/technicians always had the time to follow industry standards in this regard so most probably there are a lot of master tapes without reference tones in is vault.
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You're talking about master tapes but isn't this demo something Prince just recorded straight onto a standard consumer audio casette, C90 or similar? Feels wrong to be talking about professional studio tapes when that isn't relevant to this release.

Do we know where this was recorded? I assume without any engineers or technicians present? Maybe Prince just had a guitar handy, picked it up and started strumming his idea in his bedroom? That being the case, this was never intended for anyone to hear, let alone to be released. Isn't it just an idea on a 'notepad' for him to refer back to later in the studio. In which case, there's no reason for him to have worried about tuning his guitar if all he wanted to do was get his idea down.

When you're working with consumer grade tapes there's always margin for error. I know that there's no doubt on the technically correct speed when matching it to the released studio version, but that doesn't mean that Prince had to record his original idea in the same key.

Anyway, for me and my inexact ear this is a great release. I'm very happy to hear this and glad the estate have decided to release it. Let's hope we get more regular surprise releases of this nature.






Amen to every word of this.



Yes...beautiful, perfect.
Reply #124 posted 10/18/19 7:27pm

jdcxc

Great little NyTimes review...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/arts/music/playlist-prince-katy-perry.html
Reply #125 posted 10/18/19 11:44pm

MoodyBlumes

It's interesting to read perspectives on technical issues with releases. I remembered an anecdote from Larry Williams, the saxophonist who played on 'The Glamorous Life':

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of recording it." p. 200, Prince and the Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions: 1983 and 1984

https://books.google.ca/b...mp;f=false

Larry Williams

http://willyworldmusic.com/

Reply #126 posted 10/19/19 12:05am

SchlomoThaHomo

Fantastic surprise, and please keep them coming! His rhythm playing was sick even very early on.

The original version as the b-side even sounded slightly different to me but I couldn’t tell if it was just because I haven’t listened to it in awhile or what.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #127 posted 10/19/19 7:36am

mbdtyler

Oh damn, I love this! Might be my favorite version of the song.
Reply #128 posted 10/19/19 7:39am

Hamad

The sound recording button in the beginning brought me back to the little acoustic gems he recorded before that time such as "Nightingale" and "I Spend My Time Loving You" etc which I'm a huge fan of. Great unexpected birthday present smile Thanks for posting!

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/QLH82
Reply #129 posted 10/19/19 8:52am

Blueser100

I love it. Purple vinyl 7" on the way.

Reply #130 posted 10/19/19 9:02am

mnfriend

One of my first fav P songs.

Hearing acoustic demo version for the first time, gasped at his talent. Love it. Oh Prince.

thanks to whomever let it out today.

Reply #131 posted 10/19/19 9:18am

Farfunknugin

jdcxc said:

Great little NyTimes review...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/arts/music/playlist-prince-katy-perry.html

I would love to read it but can't due to the damn subscription fee pop up.
Reply #132 posted 10/19/19 9:21am

mnfriend

Farfunknugin said:

jdcxc said:
Great little NyTimes review... https://www.nytimes.com/2...perry.html
I would love to read it but can't due to the damn subscription fee pop up.

It is only a paragraph (no purple secrets to share) here it is:

"It’s perfectly obvious that Prince’s 1979 acoustic demo for “I Feel for You” — which originally appeared on his self-titled debut album, and went to No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100 when Chaka Khan recorded it in 1984 — would be stunning. Here is Prince singing sweetly but softly, and playing a more intricate rhythmic line on guitar than the eventual popularized version had room for. And yet after those first two minutes comes two and a half minutes of something else: pure vamping, light scat singing, an easy lesson in getting lost in the rhythm. The first part of this recording has the affirming feel of the familiar; this second part is full of hope for things not yet — and maybe never to be — heard."JON CARAMANICA

Reply #133 posted 10/19/19 9:30am

mnfriend

masaba said:

I love it. I love prince.


yes yes

Reply #134 posted 10/19/19 11:56am

jfenster

the trend is his unreleased versions r betta than album versions

Reply #135 posted 10/19/19 1:22pm

Flirt1

I love this music.
It is so interesting to read the comments on pitch,key,tempo,etc. I feel it is art not science in the hands of a musician who loses himself in the act of creation.
Do you think Prince was ever in awe of his gift and frankly..scared?
Love to All.
Reply #136 posted 10/19/19 2:29pm

Flirt1

eyewishuheaven said:

I love how you can hear his foot tappin' on the floor...


I love it too!
Reply #137 posted 10/19/19 3:37pm

jdcxc

mnfriend said:

 



Farfunknugin said:


jdcxc said:
Great little NyTimes review... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/arts/music/playlist-prince-katy-perry.html

I would love to read it but can't due to the damn subscription fee pop up.

 


It is only a paragraph (no purple secrets to share) here it is:


 


"It’s perfectly obvious that Prince’s 1979 acoustic demo for “I Feel for You” — which originally appeared on his self-titled debut album, and went to No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100 when Chaka Khan recorded it in 1984 — would be stunning. Here is Prince singing sweetly but softly, and playing a more intricate rhythmic line on guitar than the eventual popularized version had room for. And yet after those first two minutes comes two and a half minutes of something else: pure vamping, light scat singing, an easy lesson in getting lost in the rhythm. The first part of this recording has the affirming feel of the familiar; this second part is full of hope for things not yet — and maybe never to be — heard."JON CARAMANICA



Even the NYTimes screws up the DEBUT album thing. 😂
Reply #138 posted 10/19/19 4:47pm

SquirrelMeat

I really glad this is released, but it does shed a bit of light on the intentions o the Estate.

Michael Howe previous stated that they were only going to release things that seemed finished, and through the prism of 'Would Prince choose to release this?".

I can't Prince choosing to release a cassette tape demo as a single. Even Dirty Mind was not demos, and that is is rawest release.

Like I said, I think it should all come out, and trying to second guess what Prince would have wanted is an impossible task, but this clearly goes against the Estates previous ethos.


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Reply #139 posted 10/19/19 6:15pm

sulls

LOVING THIS! Ordered my copy.
"I like to watch."
Reply #140 posted 10/20/19 5:08am

bsprout

jdcxc said:

Great little NyTimes review...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/arts/music/playlist-prince-katy-perry.html

Thank you for sharing this- I get the Times but was out of town and probably wouldn’t have seen it otherwise. It’s nice to know the Times’ leading music critics are raving about this single, and lamenting that we may not ever hear more (unreleased stuff). Hopefully the music media will continue to make statements like these and the estate will be inspired, for whatever it’s worth.
Reply #141 posted 10/20/19 6:46am

antonb

SquirrelMeat said:

I really glad this is released, but it does shed a bit of light on the intentions o the Estate.

Michael Howe previous stated that they were only going to release things that seemed finished, and through the prism of 'Would Prince choose to release this?".

I can't Prince choosing to release a cassette tape demo as a single. Even Dirty Mind was not demos, and that is is rawest release.

Like I said, I think it should all come out, and trying to second guess what Prince would have wanted is an impossible task, but this clearly goes against the Estates previous ethos.


I agree, but my goodness, there is so many demos etc in the vault, surely there not going to just release the odd one every now and again! That would be daylight robbery!

Reply #142 posted 10/21/19 8:47pm

BanishedBrian

If Prince could stll post on the Org, he'd tell them to "FIX THE DAMN TAPE SPEED!"

No Candy 4 Me
Reply #143 posted 10/22/19 5:40am

FrankieCoco1

It was played in full on Shaun Keaveny’s BBC 6Music show last Friday, along with an interview Michael Howe. It’s at about the 40 minute point in the show:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0009d5m

Think it’s just accessible from the UK.
Reply #144 posted 10/22/19 7:45am

Cinny

This can be corrected when I spin the 45 on my Technics SL-1200. smile I didn't even notice though eek

Kares said:

The tape speed is totally off though, whomever transferred it from the original cassette didn't notice (or didn't care) that now it plays about 50 cents sharp (and faster) than it should. sad

Reply #145 posted 10/22/19 10:39am

jfenster

mmm...79 rehearsal tape

Reply #146 posted 10/23/19 3:44am

andrewm7

Just noticed a little detail on the estate site about the purple vinyl record:

"This Limited Edition 7” will be Made To Order and is exclusive to Prince.com - available to purchase for 7 days only. Production will commence at conclusion of onsale period and we anticipate shipping to take place in mid January."

So you only have until the 27th or 28th to order a copy eek

So if you are a collector it would be wise to act smile

Reply #147 posted 10/24/19 2:27am

antonb

If you were a collector, you would already know this info, but thanks anyway
Reply #148 posted 10/24/19 6:43am

andrewm7

lol ^the shade lol the estate seems to have sent out an email to everyone letting them know there is only three days left.

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Reply #149 posted 10/25/19 4:46pm

wildgoldenhoney

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Reply #150 posted 10/29/19 10:03am

sulls

With the comeback of vinyl, I gotta get a wrecka playa!

"I like to watch."
Reply #151 posted 10/29/19 12:24pm

ChocolateBox3121

sulls said:

With the comeback of vinyl, I gotta get a wrecka playa!

attachFull1130094

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #152 posted 10/29/19 10:50pm

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



sulls said:


With the comeback of vinyl, I gotta get a wrecka playa!



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Hey, I think I know u, Koolmoq or something.. 🤔
mushy
Reply #153 posted 10/30/19 12:43pm

Cinny

Are you guys comparing the tape speed to something else? I used to have perfect pitch and didn't even notice it was sped up.

Reply #154 posted 11/06/19 8:06am

Blueser100

I bought the single but I have forgotten when it is coming out. Anyone know?

Reply #155 posted 11/06/19 1:03pm

jfenster

feel u up/ i bitch is out there....next single?

Reply #156 posted 11/12/19 2:06pm

Cinny

Blueser100 said:

I bought the single but I have forgotten when it is coming out. Anyone know?

"mid January" the original store listing said

Reply #157 posted 11/13/19 1:39pm

mnfriend

After 23 or more listens,

this is still my favorite late era release.

How to describe, brilliant yes,

and combines his musical gifts with his spirit.

Is that corny?

MN = corny

I love it, thanks for finding it, releasing it.

URL: https://prince.org/msg/7/461155/Prince-Estate-drops-I-Feel-For-You-Acoustic-Demo-as-a-surprise-track

Date printed: Sun 17th Nov 2019 10:06am PST