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Reply #180 posted 10/13/19 1:36am

timmie

Looking forward to this release, but why not throw the videos from 1999 onto the DVD too.....
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Reply #181 posted 10/13/19 7:28am

MIRvmn

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timmie said:

Looking forward to this release, but why not throw the videos from 1999 onto the DVD too.....

Yes it's strange that they left out the music videos from 1999
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Reply #182 posted 10/13/19 8:57am

ladygirl99

Wow I was too happy that the concerts would be release to realized that the videos weren't included.

That is definately strange they left off the official music videos off the release (1999, Automatic, LPTGM, and Little Red). I hope the estate would explain this as the release date gets closer or maybe folks should contact them on their social media pages and they might posted the answer.

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Reply #183 posted 10/13/19 11:37am

LoveGalore

I'm ready for the leak to happen.

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Reply #184 posted 10/13/19 11:47am

Strive

ladygirl99 said:

Wow I was too happy that the concerts would be release to realized that the videos weren't included.

That is definately strange they left off the official music videos off the release (1999, Automatic, LPTGM, and Little Red). I hope the estate would explain this as the release date gets closer or maybe folks should contact them on their social media pages and they might posted the answer.

They're already on YouTube and adding the videos would mean less disc space available for the concert. So lower bitrate on the concert video or non-lossless audio.

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Reply #185 posted 10/13/19 1:37pm

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LoveGalore said:

I'm ready for the leak to happen.


toilet 😁 U n me both but history shows it will show up at the day or night b4 release censored. It'll be worth it pray
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Reply #186 posted 10/13/19 3:10pm

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EXTRALOVABLE and LUST U ALWAYS should leak. cool
"I like to watch."
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Reply #187 posted 10/13/19 3:41pm

LoveGalore

purplepolitician said:

LoveGalore said:

I'm ready for the leak to happen.

toilet 😁 U n me both but history shows it will show up at the day or night b4 release censored. It'll be worth it pray

Maybe! I know Originals leaked so late cuz it was a digital exclusive so that makes sense. But this set has physical versions and is a wide release. I can't imagine it doesn't leak ahead of time - I seem to remember PR Deluxe leaking like 2 weeks before or more.

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Reply #188 posted 10/13/19 4:42pm

ladygirl99

Strive said:

ladygirl99 said:

Wow I was too happy that the concerts would be release to realized that the videos weren't included.

That is definately strange they left off the official music videos off the release (1999, Automatic, LPTGM, and Little Red). I hope the estate would explain this as the release date gets closer or maybe folks should contact them on their social media pages and they might posted the answer.

They're already on YouTube and adding the videos would mean less disc space available for the concert. So lower bitrate on the concert video or non-lossless audio.

That's understandable. I personally want to see the concert than the videos anyway because I saw the music videos so many times bootleg and official over the last twenty years.

But still some people might want to see the videos on disc rather than youtube. I know some fans prefer tangible items when it comes to Prince art and maybe the estate should had create a separate DVD for the videos and kept it separate from the concert ones? One more extra disc to the package wouldn't hurt.

Still fans would always complain something ain't right regardless and the estate is doing the best they can to please the majority.

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Reply #189 posted 10/14/19 3:19am

leadline

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Strive said:

ladygirl99 said:

Wow I was too happy that the concerts would be release to realized that the videos weren't included.

That is definately strange they left off the official music videos off the release (1999, Automatic, LPTGM, and Little Red). I hope the estate would explain this as the release date gets closer or maybe folks should contact them on their social media pages and they might posted the answer.

They're already on YouTube and adding the videos would mean less disc space available for the concert. So lower bitrate on the concert video or non-lossless audio.


They wouldn't have to worry about space if they used bluray instead of DVD.

1 DVD holds 4.7gb of data

1 BluRay holds 25gb and up to 50gb if two layers are used.

Plenty of room for the concert, all Prince videos, and all associated artist videos from tha era.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #190 posted 10/14/19 5:36am

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leadline said:

Strive said:

They're already on YouTube and adding the videos would mean less disc space available for the concert. So lower bitrate on the concert video or non-lossless audio.


They wouldn't have to worry about space if they used bluray instead of DVD.

1 DVD holds 4.7gb of data

1 BluRay holds 25gb and up to 50gb if two layers are used.

Plenty of room for the concert, all Prince videos, and all associated artist videos from tha era.

Unfair to DVD to only list its single layer capacity but then add the dual layer capacity for Blu-Ray. It's still not close at 8.54Gb but hey-ho, fair is fair.

RIP sad
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Reply #191 posted 10/14/19 6:41am

leadline

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TheEnglishGent said:

leadline said:


They wouldn't have to worry about space if they used bluray instead of DVD.

1 DVD holds 4.7gb of data

1 BluRay holds 25gb and up to 50gb if two layers are used.

Plenty of room for the concert, all Prince videos, and all associated artist videos from tha era.

Unfair to DVD to only list its single layer capacity but then add the dual layer capacity for Blu-Ray. It's still not close at 8.54Gb but hey-ho, fair is fair.


Well, luckily you brought it up, so all is well in the universe again.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #192 posted 10/14/19 8:51am

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I can't begin to say how excited I am for this to be released...

I am disappointed that no "Extralovable" or "Lust U Always" on this one. Hopefully they show up on another collection: "PRINCE: The Forbidden Tracks" or something like that (and they can put "We Can F..." on there too) ditto for the original "Jerk Out" (Prince Version)

but what's left?!!! TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY, PRINCE ESTATE.

I hope there's more "Originals" to spare, too.

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Reply #193 posted 10/14/19 10:49am

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TylerTheDebater said:

I can't begin to say how excited I am for this to be released...

I am disappointed that no "Extralovable" or "Lust U Always" on this one. Hopefully they show up on another collection: "PRINCE: The Forbidden Tracks" or something like that (and they can put "We Can F..." on there too) ditto for the original "Jerk Out" (Prince Version)

but what's left?!!! TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY, PRINCE ESTATE.

I hope there's more "Originals" to spare, too.

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Maybe these tracks are considdered B-sides !

Imagine that ! wink

And,

in full respect of how Prince did it back in the days.

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Now that would be wonderful, wouldn't it ?!

Release the International Lover Take 1 In Studio,

and put one of those mentioned tracks as a B-side.

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I'm cool.

biggrin

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #194 posted 10/14/19 1:40pm

antonb

These 2 songs arent on because of the rape mentions, they wont be on any Bsides . And most likely will never be released in there original form.

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Reply #195 posted 10/14/19 7:17pm

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antonb said:

These 2 songs arent on because of the rape mentions, they wont be on any Bsides . And most likely will never be released in there original form.

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Oh yes, the PC-side is strong in this one...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #196 posted 10/14/19 10:01pm

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SoulAlive said:

Vannormal said:

those lyrics are very provocative biggrin



You ain't kidding. And even though I'm straight, i dig those lyrics. For some reason they make me think of a Ruby Rose type of woman. oral horny spank

Rest in Peace Bettie Boo. See u soon.
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Reply #197 posted 10/15/19 4:51am

jstar69

Surely we must be getting close to reviews starting to appear - track details etc.
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Reply #198 posted 10/15/19 10:22pm

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udo said:



toejam said:


I can totally understand the Estate's reasoning for not putting them on there.

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I can't.


The whole action, if true, is an act of Politically Correctness.


The songs won't go away or change because of this.


People will not forget these songs.


Prince still wrote these.


Can't we see these songs in context?


This action is the same as the 'zwarte piet' (black pete) discussion debacle in the Netherlands, or the 'golden age' (gouden eeuw) thing that recently made the news.


It's acts of weakness.



Some of these arguments in favor of releasing Extraloveable and Lust U Always are embarrassing in their self-righteousness. This is especially true for Extraloveable. PRINCE ALREADY RELEASED THE SONG, MULTIPLE TIMES. But you somehow think it’s horribly wrong for the Estate/whomever to not release this early, rough draft version. Look, I really enjoy the bootlegs of the 1982 version ... up until the 6-minute mark or so and then it goes off the rails. Prince did a lot of controversial things throughout his career. But he never, ever released any music or gave any interview in favor of rape. He may very likely have not released Lust U Always because of that line and changed Extraloveable, in part, for the same reason. You have no right to have those songs released officially in the way that you want. None. And to say that others are “weak” or too “PC” because we stand up to your nonsense is sad.
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You want to see these songs in context? Here you go: Prince didn’t release them (or that version) for a reason. Prince never publicly said anything that supports the perspective on rape in those songs. Prince recorded these songs, thought about it, and didn’t release them. Some context that you make up can’t be true than that.
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It’s already a dicey thing to release songs that Prince didn’t release. There is absolutely no reason to tarnish his legacy in this way in the process.
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
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Reply #199 posted 10/16/19 12:39am

LoveGalore

Btw, Prince was writing and recording songs using the concept of rape to describe a manic type of lust for the first decade of his life. Let's not forget both versions of "U" as well.
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Reply #200 posted 10/16/19 2:09am

antonb

yep, whatevers princes reasoning for writing those songs with those lines, he didnt release them in that form. For the same reasons the estate arnt going to release them now. In these times, you cannot blame them for leaving them unreleased.

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Reply #201 posted 10/16/19 2:31am

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controversy99 said:

Some of these arguments in favor of releasing Extraloveable and Lust U Always are embarrassing in their self-righteousness.


Agreed. Most of those who are calling for the release of these tracks are taking a bad-faith approach to the argument that depends mainly on insulting their opponents instead of engaging with the issue.

("Farkwits... [who] want to offend all the soft cocks in the world we now live in," "Let the babies cry about it," "a few naive people who know nothing about anything," "retarded," "all the wussies and pussies who might cry," "overly sensitive and scaredy cat fans," "acts of weakness," etc. -- these are just from the last two or three pages of this thread.)

Not all of the proponents of the songs' release are resorting to these kind of empty, ad-hominem attacks -- thanks to those of you who aren't -- but one sees a pattern.

And by the way, that "Black Pete" shit in the Netherlands is racist as hell.

[Edited 10/16/19 2:36am]

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Reply #202 posted 10/16/19 5:39am

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controversy99 said:

You want to see these songs in context? Here you go: Prince didn’t release them (or that version) for a reason. Prince never publicly said anything that supports the perspective on rape in those songs. Prince recorded these songs, thought about it, and didn’t release them. Some context that you make up can’t be true than that. . It’s already a dicey thing to release songs that Prince didn’t release. There is absolutely no reason to tarnish his legacy in this way in the process.

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The context is that the estate needs to earn some money.

If they can do so be releasing these songs then they would have done so.

But these PC times are killing, killing even the arts.

PC-stuff is a fake veil for the so called `left` that does not change anything and only papmpers over the real issues.

So if we were to show Prince in all of his musical appearances then these songs need to be there as well.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #203 posted 10/16/19 6:16am

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While everyone is up in arms over lyrics, I’m wishing for a good quality of the instrumental Lust U Always. That bumps hard. That vocal version is wack.
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Reply #204 posted 10/16/19 6:54am

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rdhull said:

While everyone is up in arms over lyrics, I’m wishing for a good quality of the instrumental Lust U Always. That bumps hard. That vocal version is wack.

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Hey, that would be a PC-compromise, but one that could work...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #205 posted 10/16/19 8:40am

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udo said:

rdhull said:

While everyone is up in arms over lyrics, I’m wishing for a good quality of the instrumental Lust U Always. That bumps hard. That vocal version is wack.

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Hey, that would be a PC-compromise, but one that could work...


No, that would be overkill, a compromise (even though i dont agree with editing it at all) is removing the word from the song, or the entire line.

Nobody who hasn't already heard the original version would know the difference. I would take that over an instrumental any day of the week, and I would take an edited lyric version over not having it on the set at all.



[Edited 10/16/19 8:46am]

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Reply #206 posted 10/16/19 9:04am

udo

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Edits are more work than simply muting the vocal track...

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And, while listening to that song again, I can feel a live version.... lol

[Edited 10/16/19 9:07am]

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Reply #207 posted 10/16/19 10:07am

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ladygirl99 said:

tab32792 said:

Prince was NOT gay. the end

Haha if that makes you sleep better at night. He might not been gay but the streets/underground are saying he wasn't straight either, and they mentioned details of why There are grey areas when it comes to sexuality and gender. That is why imo Prince was probably bisexual or femsexual (that he might been attractive to Mayte/Vanity/Susannah type as well as Billy Porter or Boy George type and the cast of Pose too like Janet Moss type lol) but he knew to get those crossover dollars he wanted the public knew he prefer the cisgender crop like Vanity or Susannah or Nona Gaye type why else he didn't officially release Vagina?

The streets are the first one to know. Mainstream are last one to know. I think the estate is testing waters through Vagina because they want to attract new fans and they know younger fans tend to tolerate those lyrics more than Prince's gramp fans.

That is all I am going to say due to the fact the org gotten so conservative over the years. That is why I am not shock at Vagina lyrics

That is why Prince associates said over and over again on social media and over the years that Prince often fooled his fans and portrayed one way for those mainstream dollars.

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LOL, if by "the streets" you mean people refreshing Lipstick Alley gossip threads while bored in work. Prince was good at allowing people to project whatever they wanted onto him, including the fulltime gay stan community but i'm still waiting on any person close to him at any point to confirm he was anything beyond painfully, embarassingly, straight in what he liked in a partner.

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Reply #208 posted 10/16/19 11:39am

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dustoff said:



controversy99 said:


Some of these arguments in favor of releasing Extraloveable and Lust U Always are embarrassing in their self-righteousness.


Agreed. Most of those who are calling for the release of these tracks are taking a bad-faith approach to the argument that depends mainly on insulting their opponents instead of engaging with the issue.

("Farkwits... [who] want to offend all the soft cocks in the world we now live in," "Let the babies cry about it," "a few naive people who know nothing about anything," "retarded," "all the wussies and pussies who might cry," "overly sensitive and scaredy cat fans," "acts of weakness," etc. -- these are just from the last two or three pages of this thread.)

Not all of the proponents of the songs' release are resorting to these kind of empty, ad-hominem attacks -- thanks to those of you who aren't -- but one sees a pattern.

And by the way, that "Black Pete" shit in the Netherlands is racist as hell.

[Edited 10/16/19 2:36am]


Thank you for compiling that list of quotes. I was thinking about responding to a few more of the people complaining about not getting these tracks, but you saved me the trouble. And you drove home better than I could’ve the point about “bad-faith” arguments.
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Btw, I am really, really looking forward to the unreleased songs that we are going to hear on this super deluxe package. It’s less than 7 weeks away. Bring it on!
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
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Reply #209 posted 10/16/19 1:12pm

LoveGalore

antonb said:

yep, whatevers princes reasoning for writing those songs with those lines, he didnt release them in that form. For the same reasons the estate arnt going to release them now. In these times, you cannot blame them for leaving them unreleased.

By that very same logic, one could say that none of this should be released. Guess how many times people brought this issue up to Prince? He got so fed up with it that he threw his hands up in the air and said "let them take care of it when I die". Doesn't seem that committal.

Would he have released the songs with the lyric if they reached the final compiling and editing stages? Don't really think one can say. But one thing I know is that the argument for releasing them unedited is not an argument in support of rape or anything of the sort. It is an argument in support of not altering history. Prince wrote the songs and recorded the songs and offered the songs to other people. In the one case where a song with "rape" got through to release by another artist ("U"), the lyric is changed a mere 4 years later with no evidence as to who suggested the change.

Prince's version of "Extraloveable" from 2011 is often cited as a reason to not release the songs unedited, but that's also a weird argument because Prince changed the lyrics to all songs he re-recorded going as far back as "Strange Relationship" and "Baby I'm A Star".

So I guess the root of the issue is that some folks don't think the Prince Estate should profit from the word "rape" - which is all well and good. Doesn't mean it stops anyone from sending the tracks in an email to, say, Jezebel and Buzzfeed and other sites where folks can muse over the quality of a man who wrote and sang these words.

Meanwhile, we'll still keep giving money to the bootleggers for copies as better ones leak over time. I suppose that's the best option, yes?

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