udo said:

tomds said:

udo said: New rule on the org: if it's not mentioned on princevault it does not exist.nice reply.

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No, if it is not on princevault, it either does not exist (anymore) or it is too leet for you to have it and too leet for you to hear it for the time being.

And apparently too "leet" to even discuss.

The OP, by the way, wasn't asking about the existence of the recording; s/he took Prince's word for it. The OP asked if anyone knew any details about the track. Absent those, the subject is open to speculation. If that parade is too sunny for you to piss on, go find another.

dustoff said:

And apparently too "leet" to even discuss.

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By extension..

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The OP, by the way, wasn't asking about the existence of the recording;

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If it doesn't exist, then what can we do?

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s/he took Prince's word for it.

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He was a gemini en thus could vary in opinions...

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The OP asked if anyone knew any details about the track. Absent those, the subject is open to speculation. If that parade is too sunny for you to piss on, go find another.

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It it does exist somewhere it should be around 20 minutes in length I read.

The title is 'Adore'.

No other info I could locate this soon.

tomds said:

mbdtyler said:

I think the only 10+ minute Prince song I really enjoy from start to finish is the extended Computer Blue. Everything else seems to overstay its welcome, especially the full take of America.

The full 21min version is way too long indeed. I edited it down to the first 13mins. After that it gets kinda boring. But the first 13 are very enjoyable.

Right....about the time he quietly says, "That's enough..." is a good place for some fade out.

love2thenines2003 said:

Hi !

If i remember right , few years ago during a Prince Interview for Peach&Black Podcast (?) , Prince had declared that a 20 mn Long Version of ADORE fully unreleased do exist in the Vault . I wonder if any more details exist about this version ?

Thanx

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I've listened to the podcast yesterday and I didn't hear anyone mentioning "20 mins" regarding Adore. They say that when asked about it, Prince responded with "you haven't even heard Adore, because that's not the full version on the album", but I don't recall anyone mentioning a specific length the full version could be. So a longer version definitely exists, but we don't know how long it is.

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Keep in mind that the vast majority of Prince's analog multitrack masters were taped at 30ips (with only a few exceptions such as 'America' and '17 Days' that were recorded at 15ips) and it means that a standard reel of multitrack tape has a playing time of 16.5 minutes.

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There are exceptions of course, such as the above mentioned, and there were some double-length tapes on 14" reels (for example, the Sign O' The Times concerts were taped on these at 30ips, so they had a running time of 33 mins per reel). But in general, it's safe to say that the vast majority of Prince's studio masters are shorter than 16.5 mins.

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Kares - I'm sure they had ways around the tape length, engineers transition over to new one, edits etc, how do you explain then the existence of the 30 minute version of I Would Die 4 U which I have heard?

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Just want to go on record that I love the full 21:46 of America. It has to be, by far, the song that I spend the most time listening to of any Prince track (and I mean in total, not per song, as the War would win that)

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Especially during some very stressful times when I had trouble sleeping. I'd put on America and slowly let it have me drift off. As a project I've been trying to edit a version together that takes out the objectionable lyrics. Extraloveable isn't nearly as controversial, as far as I'm concerned.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Kares - I'm sure they had ways around the tape length, engineers transition over to new one, edits etc, how do you explain then the existence of the 30 minute version of I Would Die 4 U which I have heard?

[Edited 9/27/19 0:40am]

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I've explained the ways around: one of solutions is to run the tape half-speed (15ips) as was the case with 'America' and '17 Days' and probably a few others. The other solution is to use longer tape (but that wasn't the norm for studio recordings).
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I haven't heard the 30 min version of IWD4U that you mention so I've no idea what it is, but Prince has recorded IWD4U several times, incl. a studio or rehearsal take on 12 Jan 1984 that PrinceVault doesn't even mention, and that is a normal-length (16.5mins) multitrack reel that also have BIAS. It is possible that the version you mention has been remixed by repeating parts of the multitrack or by combining parts of different multitracks.

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mbdtyler said:

I think the only 10+ minute Prince song I really enjoy from start to finish is the extended Computer Blue. Everything else seems to overstay its welcome, especially the full take of America.

I normally would agree with this. However, for some reason, I love the whole 19 minutes of the Scandalous Sex Suite. America would have been better with a fade at 8 minutes

Kares said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Kares - I'm sure they had ways around the tape length, engineers transition over to new one, edits etc, how do you explain then the existence of the 30 minute version of I Would Die 4 U which I have heard?

[Edited 9/27/19 0:40am]

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I've explained the ways around: one of solutions is to run the tape half-speed (15ips) as was the case with 'America' and '17 Days' and probably a few others. The other solution is to use longer tape (but that wasn't the norm for studio recordings).
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I haven't heard the 30 min version of IWD4U that you mention so I've no idea what it is, but Prince has recorded IWD4U several times, incl. a studio or rehearsal take on 12 Jan 1984 that PrinceVault doesn't even mention, and that is a normal-length (16.5mins) multitrack reel that also have BIAS. It is possible that the version you mention has been remixed by repeating parts of the multitrack or by combining parts of different multitracks.

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Somebody call the police!

tomds said:

djdaffy1227 said:

mbdtyler said:

I think the only 10+ minute Prince song I really enjoy from start to finish is the extended Computer Blue. Everything else seems to overstay its welcome, especially the full take of America.

I normally would agree with this. However, for some reason, I love the whole 19 minutes of the Scandalous Sex Suite. America would have been better with a fade at 8 minutes

Computer Blue Hallway Speech version.

1nonly said:

Kares said:

Wolfie87 said:

Kares said:

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I've listened to the podcast yesterday and I didn't hear anyone mentioning "20 mins" regarding Adore. They say that when asked about it, Prince responded with "you haven't even heard Adore, because that's not the full version on the album", but I don't recall anyone mentioning a specific length the full version could be. So a longer version definitely exists, but we don't know how long it is.

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Keep in mind that the vast majority of Prince's analog multitrack masters were taped at 30ips (with only a few exceptions such as 'America' and '17 Days' that were recorded at 15ips) and it means that a standard reel of multitrack tape has a playing time of 16.5 minutes.

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There are exceptions of course, such as the above mentioned, and there were some double-length tapes on 14" reels (for example, the Sign O' The Times concerts were taped on these at 30ips, so they had a running time of 33 mins per reel). But in general, it's safe to say that the vast majority of Prince's studio masters are shorter than 16.5 mins.

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Oh, they've been quite transparent regarding Adore and the 20 min version. I've heard Captain and the words "Adore, 20 minutes, would blow my head off!" [Edited 9/28/19 0:46am]

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They didn't claim Prince told them anything about how long it is, only that the album version is not the full recording.

I wish if Neversin can provide some info maybe ??? I thank him in advance if he can or not anyway !

LoveGalore said:

Kares said:

Wolfie87 said:

Kares said: Oh, they've been quite transparent regarding Adore and the 20 min version. I've heard Captain and the words "Adore, 20 minutes, would blow my head off!" [Edited 9/28/19 0:46am]

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They didn't claim Prince told them anything about how long it is, only that the album version is not the full recording.

In the original podcast they did not mention length. However, in a subsequent broadcast (the "Ask P&B questions" that came out after his passing) they do say that Prince told them a 20 minute version exists -- i.e.the specifically say "20 minutes" and not simply a longer version.

give uass the 20 min version..we'll fuckin edit it

Has nobody just pm'd this thread to the P&B guy(s) who post here? lol.

Wasn't the story that he recorded long versions of every song, and everything got edited down from that...then built backk up longer again for the 12" versions? Susan Rogers claimed something like that but what's been leaked or released doesn't really show evidence of that.

Adore does sound like it could be the first few minutes of a bigger song and longer with break downs, and a long ass sax solo (we don't need). Plus the music doesn't really go anywhere, but the vocals start to get really interesting before it fades. I could see it getting more bluesy with screaming. Doubt it's 20 minutes unless it's a rehearsal, or he did something like the Man Opera (which would explain where that idea even came from and make sense). Even N.E.W.S. were kept at 14 minutes long.

(I have to agree about America getting boring and Computer Blue being the only long version tha's really solid though, so far)