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Reply #60 posted 09/06/19 6:20pm

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benni said:




Actually, that "separated from yourself" is from Affirmation III.

"You’ve probably felt for many years in your former life, that you were separate from not only others , but even yourself. Now you can see that was never the case. You are actually everything and anything that you can think of. All of it is you."

This is an Eastern teaching, very spiritual. It's a Buddhist teaching about Non-attachment.

"When we reject the illusion that we have a “self” that exists separately and independently from other people and phenomena, we suddenly recognize that there is no need to detach, because we have always been interconnected with all things at all times."

When we fail to recognize that interconnectedness, then we can also feel "like a stranger in our own life", somehow separate from ourselves. When we feel that separateness within ourselves, we don't see ourselves as life happening, but rather we see it as life happening to us. We don't look at our hand and say "That is me", instead it's almost as though we see that as seperate from the self, "That's my hand". In actuality, hand is merely what we've agreed to call that as a form of identification, but it's not "my hand" it is "me".

But as you can see from what was said in Affirmation III and the quoted description about Non-Attachment, it's almost identical in nature.




Thank you for your input! I get where you are coming from and that theme also runs through the affirmations.




But I may have been thinking about the album's concept as a whole and Afirmation 3 as being part of my reason for concluding that he is speaking about disassociation and being caught up in the way of the world.



AOA is about the artificial times or fakeness and not being real. In 'Clouds' he's waking up from being in suspended animation for 45 years because of medication given him. Around the time this album came out he was around 55 but maybe at the time of writing he may have been 54, 53 so he was probably 10 or 11 when this 'subconscious break' happened. Usually a person does that to protect theirself from the hurt they experience at a tender age and cannot handle it. But at a later time in life when they are stronger and are able to handle emotional issues, the mind allows them to come outside of that protective mental wall or barrier and deal with the hurt.



BREAKDOWN


He has regrets about how he lived his life and maybe not realizing his self destructive behavior.



AFFIRMATION 1 & 2


Given by a clinically sounding voice that urges him to induce affirmations into his mind, thus changing his thinking and behavior.



AFFIRMATION 3


Again, the clinical voice is still recommending planned affirmation therapy.



WAY BACK HOME


Close to the end of the album, he's reiterating his regrets but after affirmations, he's on his way back to being himself and not what other people want or expect of him or requires of him for their own selfish gain or attention. He feels he doesn't belong in that 'fake' life because he's a spiritual person but he's there because he got caught up in the 'Conquer with no fear' could be an affirmation. He was born 'alive' whereas most people are really dead inside because of lack of love. But he has found the path back to



Most people in this world are born dead but he was born alive. It seems 'spiritually alive'. But he had found the path back to happiness because he can now 'see'.




Or something like that...





The wonderful thing about Prince is that Prince never really told anyone what his songs meant and would let the listener interpret them in the way that made sense to the listener. I've interpreted AOA in a much different way. As his LA Engineer, Peggy McCreary, said, “He always knew who he was. Everybody else just needed to figure it out.”



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Reply #61 posted 09/07/19 12:46pm

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Ugh... My conscience is bothering me for writing what i wrote. I would've been in big trouble if somebody saw what I wrote.. but, ah the good old days I would even take that if I could. sad
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Reply #62 posted 09/07/19 2:13pm

kingricefan

If you're referring to your take on the AOA album, I see nothing wrong with what you posted.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Ugh... My conscience is bothering me for writing what i wrote. I would've been in big trouble if somebody saw what I wrote.. but, ah the good old days I would even take that if I could. sad

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Reply #63 posted 09/07/19 4:28pm

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kingricefan said:

If you're referring to your take on the AOA album, I see nothing wrong with what you posted.



wildgoldenhoney said:


Ugh... My conscience is bothering me for writing what i wrote. I would've been in big trouble if somebody saw what I wrote.. but, ah the good old days I would even take that if I could. sad



Thanks. I was worried that it came out negative and judgemental on my part. hrmph
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Reply #64 posted 09/07/19 5:04pm

violetcrush

Most of Prince's songs were very telling if you pay attention to the lyrics and his play on words. What was not always telling was who may have inspired a particular song during the time it was recorded. However, it has been stated by most of his associates and pepple personally involved with him that he recorded based on what was happening in his life at that moment.

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Reply #65 posted 09/07/19 7:46pm

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Purple Music music 365 Prince Songs In A Year https://diffuser.fm/princ...ple-music/

The lyrics to “Purple Music” continue a career-long theme in Prince’s songs, about how music – especially his own – provides a better high than any drug.Don't need no reefer / Don't need cocaine / Purple music does the same to my brain,” Prince sings in an increasingly excited voice that does as good a job at simulating the highs and lows of an actual drug trip as William Shatner’s spoken-word take on “Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds."

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[Edited 9/7/19 19:58pm]

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #66 posted 10/18/19 11:35pm

mELdOURADOsELV
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Why people gotta interpret as deep or mystical interpretations.
Maybe it was just obvious, everyday occurrences that he was writing about
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Reply #67 posted 10/19/19 2:01am

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Cream!
"Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee
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Reply #68 posted 10/19/19 5:22am

LoveGalore

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


Prince changed his name back not long before he married Manuela. The song was expressing how he loved hearing his name again and hearing Manuela say it.


Yup. That’s why I don’t get what Militant meant (?) Calling Militant!


What's there to understand? He obviously can miss his ex-wife while singin a song he wrote whilst he was in the depths of love for her.
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Reply #69 posted 10/19/19 5:23am

LoveGalore

wildgoldenhoney said:

Militant said:



wildgoldenhoney said:


I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore It sounded like it was a final goodbye or an acceptance that his wishing for a future with Denise was over. He moved on with his hopes and dreams.




You mean Mayte.



Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.


Yeah, it sounds totally plausible that he'd take a break from their marriage falling apart to get an idea for a song from her about s girlfriend he broke up with 16 years prior.
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Reply #70 posted 10/19/19 7:37am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

wildgoldenhoney said:
Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.
Yeah, it sounds totally plausible that he'd take a break from their marriage falling apart to get an idea for a song from her about s girlfriend he broke up with 16 years prior.

At his last P&M show in Atlanta he sang the song, and he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days.... and then he said "the 80's" So, at least during that performance, he was referencing a woman whom he loved in the 80's. The song also mentions a ring he gave to her. I was not aware of Prince giving Denise an engagement ring when they dated. I'm only aware of one woman being given a ring during a relationship with him in the 80's.

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Reply #71 posted 10/19/19 7:51am

violetcrush

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

Why people gotta interpret as deep or mystical interpretations. Maybe it was just obvious, everyday occurrences that he was writing about

Not necessarily deep or mystical, but he definitely mainly wrote about his experiences, especially with regard to relationships with others. Some songs were obvious and/or simple; others were more cryptic and came from a more intimate place.

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Reply #72 posted 10/19/19 7:53am

mELdOURADOsELV
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Reply #73 posted 10/19/19 8:06am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


wildgoldenhoney said:
Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.

Yeah, it sounds totally plausible that he'd take a break from their marriage falling apart to get an idea for a song from her about s girlfriend he broke up with 16 years prior.


At his last P&M show in Atlanta he sang the song, and he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days.... and then he said "the 80's" So, at least during that performance, he was referencing a woman whom he loved in the 80's. The song also mentions a ring he gave to her. I was not aware of Prince giving Denise an engagement ring when they dated. I'm only aware of one woman being given a ring during a relationship with him in the 80's.



Sheila E?
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Reply #74 posted 10/19/19 8:08am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

At his last P&M show in Atlanta he sang the song, and he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days.... and then he said "the 80's" So, at least during that performance, he was referencing a woman whom he loved in the 80's. The song also mentions a ring he gave to her. I was not aware of Prince giving Denise an engagement ring when they dated. I'm only aware of one woman being given a ring during a relationship with him in the 80's.

Sheila E?

No, he did not give Sheila E an engagement ring in the 80's.

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Reply #75 posted 10/19/19 8:19am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



At his last P&M show in Atlanta he sang the song, and he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days.... and then he said "the 80's" So, at least during that performance, he was referencing a woman whom he loved in the 80's. The song also mentions a ring he gave to her. I was not aware of Prince giving Denise an engagement ring when they dated. I'm only aware of one woman being given a ring during a relationship with him in the 80's.



Sheila E?


No, he did not give Sheila E an engagement ring in the 80's.


She begs to differ in her Larry King interview.
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Reply #76 posted 10/19/19 8:30am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

No, he did not give Sheila E an engagement ring in the 80's.

She begs to differ in her Larry King interview.

Really?? Any details about the ring? Pictures? The story that I have read is that he mouthed "marry me" on stage during one of the SOTT concerts, but nothing beyond that specific detail.

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Reply #77 posted 10/19/19 8:49am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



No, he did not give Sheila E an engagement ring in the 80's.



She begs to differ in her Larry King interview.


Really?? Any details about the ring? Pictures? The story that I have read is that he mouthed "marry me" on stage during one of the SOTT concerts, but nothing beyond that specific detail.


She said she had a ring and everything. Larry asks where the ring is and she kinda waves it off and says, "I let go of that." Whatever that means.
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Reply #78 posted 10/19/19 8:53am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Really?? Any details about the ring? Pictures? The story that I have read is that he mouthed "marry me" on stage during one of the SOTT concerts, but nothing beyond that specific detail.

She said she had a ring and everything. Larry asks where the ring is and she kinda waves it off and says, "I let go of that." Whatever that means.

Just watched it again. Larry asked, "was there a ring?" and Sheila responded with a very quick "yeah, but I let all that go". So, it seems a bit of a diversion and a reluctance to answer that specific question.

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Reply #79 posted 10/19/19 9:02am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



Really?? Any details about the ring? Pictures? The story that I have read is that he mouthed "marry me" on stage during one of the SOTT concerts, but nothing beyond that specific detail.



She said she had a ring and everything. Larry asks where the ring is and she kinda waves it off and says, "I let go of that." Whatever that means.


Just watched it again. Larry asked, "was there a ring?" and Sheila responded with a very quick "yeah, but I let all that go". So, it seems a bit of a diversion and a reluctance to answer that specific question.


I mean she diverts everything about that and why she left but she clearly says she had a ring.
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Reply #80 posted 10/19/19 9:06am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Just watched it again. Larry asked, "was there a ring?" and Sheila responded with a very quick "yeah, but I let all that go". So, it seems a bit of a diversion and a reluctance to answer that specific question.

I mean she diverts everything about that and why she left but she clearly says she had a ring.

In another interview, I believe it was with Questlove, she stated she left the band after LoveSexy, because he was dating other women, and "the hang" was no longer the same - meaning it wasn't just the band hanging out together. She also did mention that his music was going in another direction.

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It's just interesting, because there has been a ton of detail about his engagement in 1985, including media coverage from back then, and recent detail about the ring and proposal as well.

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Reply #81 posted 10/19/19 9:18am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



Just watched it again. Larry asked, "was there a ring?" and Sheila responded with a very quick "yeah, but I let all that go". So, it seems a bit of a diversion and a reluctance to answer that specific question.



I mean she diverts everything about that and why she left but she clearly says she had a ring.


In another interview, I believe it was with Questlove, she stated she left the band after LoveSexy, because he was dating other women, and "the hang" was no longer the same - meaning it wasn't just the band hanging out together. She also did mention that his music was going in another direction.


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It's just interesting, because there has been a ton of detail about his engagement in 1985, including media coverage from back then, and recent detail about the ring and proposal as well.



She only ever mentioned any of this after he died so I can't really tell what I take as truth or not.

But tying it back to I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore, that song has always been associated with Mayte. The timing, the reasons for how they split, the details in the song itself. Even if he offhandedly mentioned the 80s in the concert, I don't really know or think I would believe he's writing about Susannah there. After all, Susannah left him because of his philandering. Not the other way around.

Of course, he was also cheating on Mayte, Denise, Sheila, and everyone else so who knows. Maybe it's about nobody.
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Reply #82 posted 10/19/19 9:34am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

In another interview, I believe it was with Questlove, she stated she left the band after LoveSexy, because he was dating other women, and "the hang" was no longer the same - meaning it wasn't just the band hanging out together. She also did mention that his music was going in another direction.

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It's just interesting, because there has been a ton of detail about his engagement in 1985, including media coverage from back then, and recent detail about the ring and proposal as well.

She only ever mentioned any of this after he died so I can't really tell what I take as truth or not. But tying it back to I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore, that song has always been associated with Mayte. The timing, the reasons for how they split, the details in the song itself. Even if he offhandedly mentioned the 80s in the concert, I don't really know or think I would believe he's writing about Susannah there. After all, Susannah left him because of his philandering. Not the other way around. Of course, he was also cheating on Mayte, Denise, Sheila, and everyone else so who knows. Maybe it's about nobody.

True - there was always infidelity in every relationship, however, it was a double-standard for Prince. His cheating was okay, BUT, his girlfriend/fiance/wife's cheating was unacceptable. Even though the women left because of philandering it does not mean that Prince didn't think that they had cheated at one point or another during the relationship. Prince and Susannah were off and on many times while they were dating. Vanity flirted with and flaunted other men in front of Prince to try to make him jealous. I would imagine Susannah may have done that as well - but maybe in a more subtle way.

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Mayte is on record stating Prince nor she ever had that conversation or dynamic from the song prior to the divorce. However, there was a rumor of her fooling around with some dancer while she was living in Spain - and who could really blame her, as we then learned that Prince was pursuing Manuela in MN during that time - so, the song could have been connected to their relationship, but Mayte did not want to admit any infidelity on her end.

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This is why these songs are so interesting, even though Prince would state that he never looked back and did not think about the past, he often wrote songs that did exactly that. He was often reflective in his songs. People think that RU2TJF album was a break-up album, but if you really look at the lyrics to most of the songs it does not appear to have been Prince lamenting over the divorce.

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Reply #83 posted 10/19/19 9:39am

mELdOURADOsELV
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I'm sorry but, what is RU2TJF?
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Reply #84 posted 10/19/19 9:43am

PeggyO

Something struck me in one of his earlier interviews; paraphrasing..." I can say almost say anything when I am singing it". It was as if he was able to slip into a different 'state of consciousness' which included a brave, raw, intimate lyrics. I've noticed in several instances after singing a powerful or intimate song, he seems a bit embarrased by what he just sang.

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Reply #85 posted 10/19/19 9:52am

LoveGalore

violetcrush said:



LoveGalore said:


violetcrush said:



In another interview, I believe it was with Questlove, she stated she left the band after LoveSexy, because he was dating other women, and "the hang" was no longer the same - meaning it wasn't just the band hanging out together. She also did mention that his music was going in another direction.


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It's just interesting, because there has been a ton of detail about his engagement in 1985, including media coverage from back then, and recent detail about the ring and proposal as well.



She only ever mentioned any of this after he died so I can't really tell what I take as truth or not. But tying it back to I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore, that song has always been associated with Mayte. The timing, the reasons for how they split, the details in the song itself. Even if he offhandedly mentioned the 80s in the concert, I don't really know or think I would believe he's writing about Susannah there. After all, Susannah left him because of his philandering. Not the other way around. Of course, he was also cheating on Mayte, Denise, Sheila, and everyone else so who knows. Maybe it's about nobody.


True - there was always infidelity in every relationship, however, it was a double-standard for Prince. His cheating was okay, BUT, his girlfriend/fiance/wife's cheating was unacceptable. Even though the women left because of philandering it does not mean that Prince didn't think that they had cheated at one point or another during the relationship. Prince and Susannah were off and on many times while they were dating. Vanity flirted with and flaunted other men in front of Prince to try to make him jealous. I would imagine Susannah may have done that as well - but maybe in a more subtle way.


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Mayte is on record stating Prince nor she ever had that conversation or dynamic from the song prior to the divorce. However, there was a rumor of her fooling around with some dancer while she was living in Spain - and who could really blame her, as we then learned that Prince was pursuing Manuela in MN during that time - so, the song could have been connected to their relationship, but Mayte did not want to admit any infidelity on her end.


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This is why these songs are so interesting, even though Prince would state that he never looked back and did not think about the past, he often wrote songs that did exactly that. He was often reflective in his songs. People think that RU2TJF album was a break-up album, but if you really look at the lyrics to most of the songs it does not appear to have been Prince lamenting over the divorce.



Very good insight and I do agree. Rave is a weird album because it can be taken differently depending on what angle you look at it. Lamenting? No I suppose not, it actually seems more hostile than that, tbh. Man O War, ILUBIDYUA, Silly Game, even Strange But True and Tangerine all sound very dismissive and almost rude. Wherever U Go is also one that could be seen as a dismissal if you imagine he's talking to the woman he was married to and lost two kids with.

And then following it up with Rainbow Children which flat out states the last lover and some others were banished from PP and One Nite Alone which almost certainly references the divorce... Kind of makes you wonder how bad their falling out really was.
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Reply #86 posted 10/19/19 10:08am

violetcrush

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

True - there was always infidelity in every relationship, however, it was a double-standard for Prince. His cheating was okay, BUT, his girlfriend/fiance/wife's cheating was unacceptable. Even though the women left because of philandering it does not mean that Prince didn't think that they had cheated at one point or another during the relationship. Prince and Susannah were off and on many times while they were dating. Vanity flirted with and flaunted other men in front of Prince to try to make him jealous. I would imagine Susannah may have done that as well - but maybe in a more subtle way.

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Mayte is on record stating Prince nor she ever had that conversation or dynamic from the song prior to the divorce. However, there was a rumor of her fooling around with some dancer while she was living in Spain - and who could really blame her, as we then learned that Prince was pursuing Manuela in MN during that time - so, the song could have been connected to their relationship, but Mayte did not want to admit any infidelity on her end.

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This is why these songs are so interesting, even though Prince would state that he never looked back and did not think about the past, he often wrote songs that did exactly that. He was often reflective in his songs. People think that RU2TJF album was a break-up album, but if you really look at the lyrics to most of the songs it does not appear to have been Prince lamenting over the divorce.

Very good insight and I do agree. Rave is a weird album because it can be taken differently depending on what angle you look at it. Lamenting? No I suppose not, it actually seems more hostile than that, tbh. Man O War, ILUBIDYUA, Silly Game, even Strange But True and Tangerine all sound very dismissive and almost rude. Wherever U Go is also one that could be seen as a dismissal if you imagine he's talking to the woman he was married to and lost two kids with. And then following it up with Rainbow Children which flat out states the last lover and some others were banished from PP and One Nite Alone which almost certainly references the divorce... Kind of makes you wonder how bad their falling out really was.

Yes, seems he had quite a bit of anger and spite toward her which is interesting if you look at the chain of events that led to their divorce. His spite may have come from her refusing to follow him into the JW world.

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Strange But True and Tangerine seem to be reflecting on a former lover/relationship. He first recorded those in 1998 - before they separated. So yes, including those songs was a bit mean considering the timing of the album. Have A Heart - on the ONA Live record - is another one that seems to connect with their split, and is quite mean.

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Reply #87 posted 10/20/19 7:56am

violetcrush

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

I'm sorry but, what is RU2TJF?

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic - Prince's album released in 1999/2000.
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Reply #88 posted 10/20/19 8:00am

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AGEM

violetcrush said:

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

I'm sorry but, what is RU2TJF?

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic - Prince's album released in 1999/2000.

Ok. That's waaaayyy before my time 😁
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Reply #89 posted 10/20/19 8:13am

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mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

violetcrush said:


Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic - Prince's album released in 1999/2000.

Ok. That's waaaayyy before my time 😁

biggrin Go pull up Strange But True and Tangerine (extended version) on YT. The two best songs on the album in my opinion. The album didn't do well, but those songs are great.
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