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BartVanHemelen

Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (released on 29 October) - The New Yorker has published the introduction

Prince's upcoming memoir "The Beautiful Ones" mentioned in "Fall Books Preview: The 40 biggest titles of the season"

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https://ew.com/books/2019...st-titles/

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Reprinted here: https://www.yahoo.com/ent...00708.html

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The New Year gets all the credit in the self-improvement space, with its resolutions and dry Januaries and general air of rebirth, but for the true bookworm, the fall is the ideal time to turn over a new, perfectly crisp, reading leaf. Not only does the season inspire a callback to school supply shopping, planners, and the excitement of a syllabus, but it’s also the strongest time of year for great literature. As the awards shortlists beckon, publishers send their long-awaited prestige titles to the shelves.

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This year proves to be no exception. Below, EW’s book editors select the 40 titles for which we’re most excited. This year’s fall must-list reflects the best of everything on offer, from the literary A-listers still going strong to the debut darlings poised to be the next big thing.

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[...]

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THE CELEB PORTRAITS

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The season sees A-list tomes of all varieties, from exhaustive biography to posthumous memoirs

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[...]

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The Beautiful Ones, by Prince -- The memoir that the musician began writing before his untimely death in April 2016 is finally hitting shelves, packaged and framed by editor Dan Piepenbring (who also co-wrote this summer’s Manson murders exposé Chaos). It will also include photos, sheet music, and scrapbooks from his personal collection. (Oct. 29) —SR

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(Updated title of post to thread can be used as sticky.)

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Update 2 September: New Yorker article by Dan Piepenbring, the editor of the book: https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince . This seems to be (a version of) the introduction to the book. Scroll down for my post where I quote from the blurb on the official website; the description of the book's introduction accurately describes this article.

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[Edited 9/3/19 8:47am]

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Reply #1 posted 08/27/19 6:03am

PURPLEIZED3121

what's the odds of this being cancelled?

[Edited 8/27/19 6:03am]

Reply #2 posted 08/27/19 7:35am

lwr001

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

what's the odds of this being cancelled? 

[Edited 8/27/19 6:03am]




None. Absolutely zero. This is random house. There shit is in order
Reply #3 posted 08/30/19 6:33am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.apnews.com/10...ef45246a6e

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Music lovers again can look forward to a new round of memoirs. Elton John’s “Me” is expected this fall, along with Debbie Harry’s “Face It,” Flea’s “Acid for the Children” and Andrew Ridgeley’s “Wham!: George Michael and Me.” Prince’s “The Beautiful Ones” is built around a manuscript he and co-author Dan Piepenbring were working on at the time of his death. A former Prince collaborator, Morris Day, tells his story in “On Time: A Princely Life in Funk.”

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Reply #4 posted 08/30/19 6:44am

HatrinaHaterwitz

lwr001 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

what's the odds of this being cancelled?

[Edited 8/27/19 6:03am]

None. Absolutely zero. This is random house. There shit is in order

Amazon just updated my pre-order to include the estimated delivery time.

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #5 posted 08/30/19 6:59am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

And the last thread which self locked

https://prince.org/msg/7/459145




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Reply #6 posted 08/30/19 8:31am

Strive

They actually changed the cover. Cloned part of the wall/color corrected the top part and changed the font to purple.

jlKkpTy.jpg

https://prince.org/msg/7/459909

The Audiobook is even goofier because they cloned the background way beyond what it actually was.

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no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #7 posted 08/30/19 8:56am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

^^^^ nice cool

Edmonton, AB - canada
Mod Goddess of the SNIP & BAN Making Moves - OF4S
Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #8 posted 08/30/19 3:02pm

Missmusicluver72

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above~
The only Love there is, is the Love We Make~
Prince4Ever
Reply #9 posted 08/30/19 3:45pm

bluefish

Physical media really is dying. I want to pre-order the audiobook on CD but all I can find are download links on Audible and Google Play. Of course I'll rip the files to my laptop and my external hard drive eventually, but I want an actual disc!

Anyone know who the reader is on the audiobook? The only info I can find is that the length is 4.5 hours.

‎https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvmsrcg1qD_wVuS4qnopmQg
Reply #10 posted 08/31/19 3:14am

Strive

bluefish said:

Physical media really is dying. I want to pre-order the audiobook on CD but all I can find are download links on Audible and Google Play. Of course I'll rip the files to my laptop and my external hard drive eventually, but I want an actual disc!

Anyone know who the reader is on the audiobook? The only info I can find is that the length is 4.5 hours.

You can burn Audible files to a disc.

https://audible.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9246/~/how-do-i-burn-my-audiobooks-onto-a-cd%3F

I haven't heard who's doing the reading but that information has been up for months now so they've must have recorded it awhile back. I'm surprised it's 4.5 hours considering that a third of the book is just pictures/notes. Can the portion Prince wrote before passing and the original Purple Rain script really take that long?

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #11 posted 09/01/19 11:22am

motherfunka

Missmusicluver72 said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

I'm really looking forward to that too. I got a notice from Amazon that it has been pushed back to November 19th. sad

TRUE BLUE
Reply #12 posted 09/01/19 3:49pm

Missmusicluver72

motherfunka said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

I'm really looking forward to that too. I got a notice from Amazon that it has been pushed back to November 19th. sad

Aww, well at least it will be out before the holidays. Thanks for the update though. cool

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above~
The only Love there is, is the Love We Make~
Prince4Ever
Reply #13 posted 09/01/19 5:51pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

motherfunka said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

I'm really looking forward to that too. I got a notice from Amazon that it has been pushed back to November 19th. sad

May I ask, where do you live? Because I'm in Michigan and I just checked my order again and it still says "Arriving October 29, 2019 by 8pm."

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #14 posted 09/02/19 3:44am

Shockadelica9

Reply #15 posted 09/02/19 5:36am

dodger

Shockadelica9 said:

[Edited 9/2/19 3:46am]

Great read. Don't mind admitting it brought a tear to my eye.

I'm actually looking forward to the book now after reading this..

Reply #16 posted 09/02/19 6:04am

jdcxc

dodger said:

 



Shockadelica9 said:





 


[Edited 9/2/19 3:46am]



Great read. Don't mind admitting it brought a tear to my eye. 


I'm actually looking forward to the book now after reading this.. 



Yes. Me too. Sounds like they were forming a great creative partnership. The article highlights Prince’s unique worldview that would’ve probably benefited from Dan’s formal cowriting, voice and sounding board.

Also highlights our shared devastating loss.
Reply #17 posted 09/02/19 6:18am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #18 posted 09/02/19 6:52am

highcalonic

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince

Excellent read, thanks.

"You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
Reply #19 posted 09/02/19 7:37am

BartVanHemelen

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

motherfunka said:

I'm really looking forward to that too. I got a notice from Amazon that it has been pushed back to November 19th. sad

May I ask, where do you live? Because I'm in Michigan and I just checked my order again and it still says "Arriving October 29, 2019 by 8pm."

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See, this is what happens when people don't stay on topic. Needless confusion. They're talking about Randee's book.

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Reply #20 posted 09/02/19 8:02am

Strive

It made me sad to read that article. The last months (or years?) of his life were a haze, searching for the next thing that would excite him, that was so far away from Jehovah's teachings.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #21 posted 09/02/19 8:18am

BartVanHemelen

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince

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BTW this looks to be (a version of) the introduction to the book. From https://www.apnews.com/0c...8b284f044b :

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the 288-page book will include an introduction by Dan Piepenbring, whom Prince had chosen as a collaborator.

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Piepenbring’s introduction will touch upon Prince’s final days, “a time when Prince was thinking deeply about how to reveal more of himself and his ideas to the world, while retaining the mystery and mystique he’d so carefully cultivated.”

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From https://www.penguinrandom...399589652/ :

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The book is framed by editor Dan Piepenbring’s riveting and moving introduction about his profound collaboration with Prince in his final months—a time when Prince was thinking deeply about how to reveal more of himself and his ideas to the world, while retaining the mystery and mystique he’d so carefully cultivated—and annotations that provide context to the book’s images.

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Reply #22 posted 09/02/19 8:25am

HatrinaHaterwitz

BartVanHemelen said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

May I ask, where do you live? Because I'm in Michigan and I just checked my order again and it still says "Arriving October 29, 2019 by 8pm."

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See, this is what happens when people don't stay on topic. Needless confusion. They're talking about Randee's book.

Ah, okay. Thanks!

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #23 posted 09/02/19 8:33am

HatrinaHaterwitz

Dan's article gave me a sense that Prince was excited and hopeful for the future...HIS future. I feel he was looking forward to completing his book and SEEING for himself where it went and what would happen NEXT.

I'm going to go cry again now, I'll be back later to finish my thoughts and discuss this further.

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #24 posted 09/02/19 8:36am

bsprout

Shockadelica9 said:


Beautifully written article and entertaining to read. It’s heartbreaking that Prince wasn’t able to finish what would have been an excellent book. That the author of this article confirmed the quality of Prince’s writing (good) makes it even sadder. Thank you for sharing.
Reply #25 posted 09/02/19 8:53am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

"As I read more about his last months, it was hard to reconcile the sunny, puckish, solicitous man I met with the one described in news stories and police reports, who could be unyielding, furtive, and willfully opaque. Prince had always embodied dualities. Here was one more: he had told me that he was O.K., and he was not O.K. There was nothing false in the way he spoke to me, and nothing false in the way he spoke during his darkest moments. I can’t think less of him for hiding his pain. He was living on his own terms. To expect anything more of him would have been to expect magic."


The last paragraph of Dan's article sums P up perfectly.


Reply #26 posted 09/02/19 9:36am

ChocolateBox3121

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Prince(r.i.p.) captured in New York March(2016). on one of his last appearances unveiling his memoirs announcement .

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #27 posted 09/02/19 12:28pm

deebee

Nice article. Piepenbring's supportive and respectful tone makes a nice counterpoint to the Ian Penman piece in the LRB a few months back, which, though interesting, seemed a bit snide and critical, and sat badly with me as I digested it.

I did wonder if the book project would be one that fizzled out as P lost interest in it and got wrapped up in whatever he was working on musically - and perhaps it would have done - but it does rather sound like he was finding it engaging and devoting time to writing. (I suppose a sceptic might note that the co-writer and publisher have an incentive to paint it that way in the promotional campaign.) It does sound like the sort of project well suited to someone at a stage in their life and career where they want to reflect on and take stock of what's gone before - as a person might do in telling their story to their kids.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #28 posted 09/02/19 12:39pm

IstenSzek

cellular memory lol


oh man i miss prince so much sometimes sad


i think i would have loved this book. it seems like he was ready to include everything and nothing
and a whole lot of weird stuff in there, going from bio to 'how to' to industry inside info to self help
to black history and empowerment and cellular memory/chemtrails/ancient egypt.

i would have loved that shit cool

makes me sad about what could have been and makes me realise how much i enjoyed following
prince and his topics of interest, even if i didn't always agree or believe. there was always a bit
of an interesting angle.



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #29 posted 09/02/19 1:21pm

Strive

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Dan's article gave me a sense that Prince was excited and hopeful for the future...HIS future. I feel he was looking forward to completing his book and SEEING for himself where it went and what would happen NEXT.

I'm going to go cry again now, I'll be back later to finish my thoughts and discuss this further.

Honestly, it sounded the opposite to me. He sounded despondent until a new idea thrilled him. Then the thrill would fade from whatever that new idea was and he'd be back to despondent.

Like he could see everything, was paralyzed by possiblity and was just killing time to best of his ability with whatever was in front of him.

Compare 2014 Prince of "I am music. I never see myself stopping." to January 2016 Prince in that article says he's done with music and dreading the idea of picking up a guitar. It's a stark contrast.

[Edited 9/2/19 13:22pm]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #30 posted 09/02/19 1:22pm

dodger

IstenSzek said:

cellular memory lol


oh man i miss prince so much sometimes sad


i think i would have loved this book. it seems like he was ready to include everything and nothing
and a whole lot of weird stuff in there, going from bio to 'how to' to industry inside info to self help
to black history and empowerment and cellular memory/chemtrails/ancient egypt.

i would have loved that shit cool

makes me sad about what could have been and makes me realise how much i enjoyed following
prince and his topics of interest, even if i didn't always agree or believe. there was always a bit
of an interesting angle.





Yep.
I had to laugh when he asked Dan if he'd been paid yet and when he asked about pulling the book if he wanted to lol lol
Reply #31 posted 09/02/19 1:46pm

IstenSzek

dodger said:

IstenSzek said:

cellular memory lol


oh man i miss prince so much sometimes sad


i think i would have loved this book. it seems like he was ready to include everything and nothing
and a whole lot of weird stuff in there, going from bio to 'how to' to industry inside info to self help
to black history and empowerment and cellular memory/chemtrails/ancient egypt.

i would have loved that shit cool

makes me sad about what could have been and makes me realise how much i enjoyed following
prince and his topics of interest, even if i didn't always agree or believe. there was always a bit
of an interesting angle.



Yep. I had to laugh when he asked Dan if he'd been paid yet and when he asked about pulling the book if he wanted to lol lol


i mean, you just know that if prince was still around, chances are that book would have never
been completed, or if completed, never published etc etc.

there might be a few news items about a lawsuit lol

meanwhile he would have printed up bootleg copies of his book, selling them at paisley park
after dark parties lol falloff

the man did whatever he felt like doing. people complain about that so much or they say he
was a nightmare to work with/for etc. i don't know. i think it's cool that he lived his life just
the way he wanted to. he was in a unique position. a one of a kind person, who deserved to
live his life however he saw fit.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #32 posted 09/02/19 2:18pm

dodger

IstenSzek said:

 



dodger said:


IstenSzek said:

cellular memory lol


oh man i miss prince so much sometimes sad


i think i would have loved this book. it seems like he was ready to include everything and nothing
and a whole lot of weird stuff in there, going from bio to 'how to' to industry inside info to self help
to black history and empowerment and cellular memory/chemtrails/ancient egypt.

i would have loved that shit cool

makes me sad about what could have been and makes me realise how much i enjoyed following
prince and his topics of interest, even if i didn't always agree or believe. there was always a bit
of an interesting angle.





Yep. I had to laugh when he asked Dan if he'd been paid yet and when he asked about pulling the book if he wanted to lol lol


i mean, you just know that if prince was still around, chances are that book would have never
been completed, or if completed, never published etc etc.

there might be a few news items about a lawsuit lol

meanwhile he would have printed up bootleg copies of his book, selling them at paisley park
after dark parties lol falloff

the man did whatever he felt like doing. people complain about that so much or they say he
was a nightmare to work with/for etc. i don't know. i think it's cool that he lived his life just
the way he wanted to. he was in a unique position. a one of a kind person, who deserved to
live his life however he saw fit.


 




lol
Yes, he’d have got bored with Dan sooner rather than later and started bad mouthing the publisher..
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As you say though, you have to admire him in a way for not giving a shit and doing what he wanted. Balls of steel and one of a kind for sure
Reply #33 posted 09/02/19 3:13pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

Strive said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Dan's article gave me a sense that Prince was excited and hopeful for the future...HIS future. I feel he was looking forward to completing his book and SEEING for himself where it went and what would happen NEXT.

I'm going to go cry again now, I'll be back later to finish my thoughts and discuss this further.

Honestly, it sounded the opposite to me. He sounded despondent until a new idea thrilled him. Then the thrill would fade from whatever that new idea was and he'd be back to despondent.

Like he could see everything, was paralyzed by possiblity and was just killing time to best of his ability with whatever was in front of him.

Compare 2014 Prince of "I am music. I never see myself stopping." to January 2016 Prince in that article says he's done with music and dreading the idea of picking up a guitar. It's a stark contrast.

[Edited 9/2/19 13:22pm]


What he said in January 2016 was “I’m sick of playing the guitar, at least for now. I like the piano, but I hate the thought of picking up the guitar.” And as Dan explains, "What he really wanted to do was write."

My thinking is that was or would have only been temporary because as I recall he'd just had a new guitar commissioned and showed it off days before he died.

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Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #34 posted 09/02/19 3:19pm

PeggyO

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Reply #35 posted 09/02/19 3:57pm

PeggyO

PeggyO said:

wow, that's alot edits...

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Reply #36 posted 09/02/19 5:33pm

PennyPurple

Can't wait for it to come out, I'll probably stay up all night reading it.

Reply #37 posted 09/02/19 6:33pm

Krystalkisses

That article is one of the best I ever read on Prince. That would have been amazing had Prince became a writer, he was was a natural poet, ..strangely I feel I understand Prince's message so much more since he passed than while he was alive.
Reply #38 posted 09/02/19 7:37pm

PeggyO

I have been thinking about Prince's choice of "collaborators", ie., Dan P. The exerpt from the NYorker made it pretty clear that Prince was concerned about race and racism. He seemed to trust Dan, but I wonder if P considered a Black collaborator? Dan seems very articulate and sensitive but he won't have experienced being Black in America and Prince did suggest that White folks did not always "get"

him.

Reply #39 posted 09/03/19 7:18am

2freaky4church1

That's the title? How lame is that. Why not call it The Dance Electric or something?

Expect lots of JW preaching and weird ideas involving purple. He will talk about the genius of every song even the junk. lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #40 posted 09/03/19 7:47am

0uterageous

Bittersweet article

Reading along...it felt like he was still physically here and this was an interview promoting his upcoming memoir. Sadly towards the end it brought back to reality that this was Dan's recollection

sad

I love that Purple Music was mentioned cloud9 , but didn't he technically first played it live back in 2010?

[Edited 9/3/19 7:48am]

Reply #41 posted 09/03/19 7:58am

jaawwnn

PeggyO said:

I have been thinking about Prince's choice of "collaborators", ie., Dan P. The exerpt from the NYorker made it pretty clear that Prince was concerned about race and racism. He seemed to trust Dan, but I wonder if P considered a Black collaborator? Dan seems very articulate and sensitive but he won't have experienced being Black in America and Prince did suggest that White folks did not always "get"

him.

I would imagine Prince did indeed consider a black collaborator.

How is Onlyinthe dealing with Prince dissing the Fountainhead like that though?

Reply #42 posted 09/03/19 8:11am

PURPLEIZED3121

Can we retitle this thread please to reflect the latest interview. Out in social media world there is a lot of emotion, a lot of grief around this article & YET AGAIN a really valuable thread is lost. Come on 'MODS' stop self sabotaging & let this incredibly important interview be shared & discussed more openly. Thanks.

Reply #43 posted 09/03/19 8:22am

KoolEaze

jaawwnn said:

PeggyO said:

I have been thinking about Prince's choice of "collaborators", ie., Dan P. The exerpt from the NYorker made it pretty clear that Prince was concerned about race and racism. He seemed to trust Dan, but I wonder if P considered a Black collaborator? Dan seems very articulate and sensitive but he won't have experienced being Black in America and Prince did suggest that White folks did not always "get"

him.

I would imagine Prince did indeed consider a black collaborator.

How is Onlyinthe dealing with Prince dissing the Fountainhead like that though?

But was he really dissing it? I didn´t interpret it that way. Rather, it sounded as if Dan was trying to tell Prince that HE did not like The Fountainhead but that Prince found the book at least interesting.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"




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Reply #44 posted 09/03/19 8:22am

PURPLEIZED3121

lwr001 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

what's the odds of this being cancelled?

[Edited 8/27/19 6:03am]

None. Absolutely zero. This is random house. There shit is in order

glad I was wrong, that new article hit the purple community very, very hard.

Reply #45 posted 09/03/19 8:25am

KoolEaze

0uterageous said:

Bittersweet article

Reading along...it felt like he was still physically here and this was an interview promoting his upcoming memoir. Sadly towards the end it brought back to reality that this was Dan's recollection

sad

I love that Purple Music was mentioned cloud9 , but didn't he technically first played it live back in 2010?

[Edited 9/3/19 7:48am]

That´s correct but in 2010 it was just part of a medley.

And keep in mind that Prince probably just forgot that he played it before. When he played in Rotterdam and mentioned that they shot parts of the SOTT movie there he got the year mixed up,too.

No wonder after such an incredible number of songs and live shows.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"




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Reply #46 posted 09/03/19 8:27am

jaawwnn

KoolEaze said:

jaawwnn said:

I would imagine Prince did indeed consider a black collaborator.

How is Onlyinthe dealing with Prince dissing the Fountainhead like that though?

But was he really dissing it? I didn´t interpret it that way. Rather, it sounded as if Dan was trying to tell Prince that HE did not like The Fountainhead but that Prince found the book at least interesting.

Ah I do wonder what he would have said if the Dan said he liked it - "We have to dismantle ‘The Fountainhead’ brick by brick" is the quote though.

But yeah, sure Rand is interesting.

Reply #47 posted 09/03/19 8:30am

jdcxc

jaawwnn said:

 



PeggyO said:


 


I have been thinking about Prince's choice of "collaborators", ie., Dan P. The exerpt from the NYorker made it pretty clear that Prince was concerned about race and racism. He seemed to trust Dan, but I wonder if P considered a Black collaborator? Dan seems very articulate and sensitive but he won't have experienced being Black in America and Prince did suggest that White folks did not always "get"


him. 



I would imagine Prince did indeed consider a black collaborator. 

How is Onlyinthe dealing with Prince dissing the Fountainhead like that though?



Prince dis choose an esteemed and influential Black editor for the book...Chris Jackson (Ta-Nehisi Coates).
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/magazine/how-chris-jackson-is-building-a-black-literary-movement.html
Reply #48 posted 09/03/19 8:31am

jdcxc

jdcxc said:

jaawwnn said:

 



PeggyO said:


 


I have been thinking about Prince's choice of "collaborators", ie., Dan P. The exerpt from the NYorker made it pretty clear that Prince was concerned about race and racism. He seemed to trust Dan, but I wonder if P considered a Black collaborator? Dan seems very articulate and sensitive but he won't have experienced being Black in America and Prince did suggest that White folks did not always "get"


him. 



I would imagine Prince did indeed consider a black collaborator. 

How is Onlyinthe dealing with Prince dissing the Fountainhead like that though?



*did

Prince dis choose an esteemed and influential Black editor for the book...Chris Jackson (Ta-Nehisi Coates).
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/magazine/how-chris-jackson-is-building-a-black-literary-movement.html
Reply #49 posted 09/03/19 8:36am

PeggyO

jaawwnn said:

KoolEaze said:

But was he really dissing it? I didn´t interpret it that way. Rather, it sounded as if Dan was trying to tell Prince that HE did not like The Fountainhead but that Prince found the book at least interesting.

Ah I do wonder what he would have said if the Dan said he liked it - "We have to dismantle ‘The Fountainhead’ brick by brick" is the quote though.

But yeah, sure Rand is interesting.

I didn't get the sense Prince had strong feelings either way about Fountainhead, though he was a self-made man who may have aligned with some of Rand's ideology.

Dan's portrayal of Prince felt to me that he was kind of a 'stream of consciousness' thinker, alighting

on many ideas, kind of riffing.

Reply #50 posted 09/03/19 8:49am

PeggyO

jdcxc said:

jdcxc said:
*did Prince dis choose an esteemed and influential Black editor for the book...Chris Jackson (Ta-Nehisi Coates). https://www.nytimes.com/2...ement.html

Thanks for the link...compelling article.

Reply #51 posted 09/03/19 8:50am

BartVanHemelen

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Can we retitle this thread please to reflect the latest interview. Out in social media world there is a lot of emotion, a lot of grief around this article & YET AGAIN a really valuable thread is lost. Come on 'MODS' stop self sabotaging & let this incredibly important interview be shared & discussed more openly. Thanks.

.

This is a STICKY thread about the book, linked from the homepage. The New Yorker has published the intro of the book. Why should there be a separate thread about the intro?

.

But I have now updated its title to mention The New Yorker.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #52 posted 09/03/19 8:58am

Genesia

PeggyO said:

jaawwnn said:

Ah I do wonder what he would have said if the Dan said he liked it - "We have to dismantle ‘The Fountainhead’ brick by brick" is the quote though.

But yeah, sure Rand is interesting.

I didn't get the sense Prince had strong feelings either way about Fountainhead, though he was a self-made man who may have aligned with some of Rand's ideology.

Dan's portrayal of Prince felt to me that he was kind of a 'stream of consciousness' thinker, alighting

on many ideas, kind of riffing.


Prince was Howard Roark personified.

The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

To sell your soul is the easiest thing in the world. That's what everybody does every hour of his life. If I asked you to keep your sould – would you understand why that's much harder?

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #53 posted 09/03/19 8:58am

jaawwnn

PeggyO said:

jaawwnn said:

Ah I do wonder what he would have said if the Dan said he liked it - "We have to dismantle ‘The Fountainhead’ brick by brick" is the quote though.

But yeah, sure Rand is interesting.

I didn't get the sense Prince had strong feelings either way about Fountainhead, though he was a self-made man who may have aligned with some of Rand's ideology.

Dan's portrayal of Prince felt to me that he was kind of a 'stream of consciousness' thinker, alighting

on many ideas, kind of riffing.

True that, i'd say that would be part of the reason he didn't like being recorded- he probably came out with all sorts of stuff as he was working it out in his head.

Reply #54 posted 09/03/19 9:04am

PeggyO

jaawwnn said:

PeggyO said:

I didn't get the sense Prince had strong feelings either way about Fountainhead, though he was a self-made man who may have aligned with some of Rand's ideology.

Dan's portrayal of Prince felt to me that he was kind of a 'stream of consciousness' thinker, alighting

on many ideas, kind of riffing.

True that, i'd say that would be part of the reason he didn't like being recorded- he probably came out with all sorts of stuff as he was working it out in his head.

Good insight.

Reply #55 posted 09/03/19 9:07am

PeggyO

Genesia said:

PeggyO said:

I didn't get the sense Prince had strong feelings either way about Fountainhead, though he was a self-made man who may have aligned with some of Rand's ideology.

Dan's portrayal of Prince felt to me that he was kind of a 'stream of consciousness' thinker, alighting

on many ideas, kind of riffing.


Prince was Howard Roark personified.

The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

To sell your soul is the easiest thing in the world. That's what everybody does every hour of his life. If I asked you to keep your sould – would you understand why that's much harder?

Good one.

Reply #56 posted 09/03/19 9:15am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Can we retitle this thread please to reflect the latest interview. Out in social media world there is a lot of emotion, a lot of grief around this article & YET AGAIN a really valuable thread is lost. Come on 'MODS' stop self sabotaging & let this incredibly important interview be shared & discussed more openly. Thanks.

.

This is a STICKY thread about the book, linked from the homepage. The New Yorker has published the intro of the book. Why should there be a separate thread about the intro?

.

But I have now updated its title to mention The New Yorker.

genuinley apreciated, the emotion out there is huge ...it took me aback at how upsettng I & many others found it. Thanks again.

Reply #57 posted 09/03/19 10:39am

2freaky4church1

"There was nothing false in the way he spoke to me, and nothing false in the way he spoke during his darkest moments. I can’t think less of him for hiding his pain. He was living on his own terms. To expect anything more of him would have been to expect magic. "

touched

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #58 posted 09/03/19 11:40am

Genesia

2freaky4church1 said:

"There was nothing false in the way he spoke to me, and nothing false in the way he spoke during his darkest moments. I can’t think less of him for hiding his pain. He was living on his own terms. To expect anything more of him would have been to expect magic. "

touched


I don't think he was "hiding" anything. Do you talk about your pain with strangers? (If you do, please stop.)

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #59 posted 09/03/19 12:57pm

Missmusicluver72

highcalonic said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince

Excellent read, thanks.

cool

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above~
The only Love there is, is the Love We Make~
Prince4Ever
Reply #60 posted 09/03/19 1:31pm

PeggyO

Genesia said:


I don't think he was "hiding" anything. Do you talk about your pain with strangers? (If you do,

please stop)

Had a little laugh at that, since I am an RN. It is my deepest, daily wish that people would stop dumping their unnecessary pain on me. I appreciate the Stoics,(like Prince), though he went a bit far.

OK-back to the thread...

Reply #61 posted 09/03/19 2:58pm

jfenster

this book will make eveyone realize how much we will have lost ...by him not being able to finish it

Reply #62 posted 09/03/19 3:00pm

PeggyO

I wish he would have started sooner, but another poster mentioned that had he lived, he may have cancelled the book anyway. Oh, Prince, you kept us on our toes...

Reply #63 posted 09/03/19 3:15pm

rogifan

OK just one small quibble. Prince said he never left Minneapolis. Well technically he did as Chanhassen isn't Minneapolis.

Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #64 posted 09/03/19 3:18pm

ChocolateBox3121

PeggyO said:

I wish he would have started sooner, but another poster mentioned that had he lived, he may have cancelled the book anyway. Oh, Prince, you kept us on our toes...

Once U sign, commit, & collect from a book deal. U can't just cancel it! Prince(r.i.p.) was just too excited & committed to this project to cancel. Especially after the rushed into press conference annoucement that was first reported here by a dedicated,loyal fan.

This article was just beautifully written,insightful,informative & heartbreaking all at the same time..

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #65 posted 09/03/19 3:47pm

Astasheiks

Mclihah2 was starting a Thread on this article below but it was closed by moderator and said to talk about it on this Thread so.... biggrin

The Book of Prince - New Yorker Article- September 2019

Prince had grand plans for his autobiography, but only a few months to live.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/09/09/the-book-of-prince



On January 29, 2016, Prince summoned me to his home, Paisley Park, to tell me about a book he wanted to write. He was looking for a collaborator. Paisley Park is in Chanhassen, Minnesota, about forty minutes southwest of Minneapolis. Prince treasured the privacy it afforded him. He once said, in an interview with Oprah Winfrey, that Minnesota is “so cold it keeps the bad people out.” Sure enough, when I landed, there was an entrenched layer of snow on the ground, and hardly anyone in sight.

Reply #66 posted 09/03/19 3:48pm

Astasheiks

I find it a Great read

Reply #67 posted 09/03/19 4:10pm

PeggyO

It was mentioned that he wanted to know what it would cost to pull it if it was no longer true of him.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeggyO said:

I wish he would have started sooner, but another poster mentioned that had he lived, he may have cancelled the book anyway. Oh, Prince, you kept us on our toes...

Once U sign, commit, & collect from a book deal. U can't just cancel it! Prince(r.i.p.) was just too excited & committed to this project to cancel. Especially after the rushed into press conference annoucement that was first reported here by a dedicated,loyal fan.

This article was just beautifully written,insightful,informative & heartbreaking all at the same time..

Reply #68 posted 09/03/19 4:28pm

ChocolateBox3121

PeggyO said:

It was mentioned that he wanted to know what it would cost to pull it if it was no longer true of him.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Once U sign, commit, & collect from a book deal. U can't just cancel it! Prince(r.i.p.) was just too excited & committed to this project to cancel. Especially after the rushed into press conference annoucement that was first reported here by a dedicated,loyal fan.

This article was just beautifully written,insightful,informative & heartbreaking all at the same time..

rolleyes

The cost of pulling it off the shelves in the future permanently, if he felt it no longer reflected of who he was anymore later after it became released.

[Edited 9/3/19 16:30pm]

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #69 posted 09/03/19 4:45pm

PeggyO

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeggyO said:

It was mentioned that he wanted to know what it would cost to pull it if it was no longer true of him.

rolleyes

The cost of pulling it off the shelves in the future permanently, if he felt it no longer reflected of who he was anymore later after it became released.

[Edited 9/3/19 16:30pm]

That is what I said.

Reply #70 posted 09/03/19 5:25pm

Hamad

Mystery is a word for a reason indeed. The fact that this autobiography was unfinished, will add the intrigue to his already enigmatic persona, which will encourage people to pay closer attention to the music. After all, didn't he once said everything people need to know about him is in "his music"? He definitely embodied mystery all his life and anyway perhaps its better that somet hings were left unsaid. less is more thats what I think.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #71 posted 09/03/19 8:46pm

leadline

As I mentioned before for those folks that say Prince knew he was going to die, or had nothing left to accomplish, this article shows he had grand future plans way beyond this book. Definitely not the actions of someone who knows they are checking out in a few months.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
Reply #72 posted 09/03/19 9:45pm

Goddess4Real

jfenster said:

this book will make eveyone realize how much we will have lost ...by him not being able to finish it

sad

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #73 posted 09/03/19 9:46pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

leadline said:

As I mentioned before for those folks that say Prince knew he was going to die, or had nothing left to accomplish, this article shows he had grand future plans way beyond this book. Definitely not the actions of someone who knows they are checking out in a few months.



If you think this, then you have missed the point of the article.

I have a difficult time reconciling this also.

Reply #74 posted 09/03/19 11:16pm

PeggyO

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

leadline said:

As I mentioned before for those folks that say Prince knew he was going to die, or had nothing left to accomplish, this article shows he had grand future plans way beyond this book. Definitely not the actions of someone who knows they are checking out in a few months.



If you think this, then you have missed the point of the article.

I have a difficult time reconciling this also.

I am curious...what do you think was the point of the article?

Reply #75 posted 09/04/19 1:37am

Vannormal

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince

.

BTW this looks to be (a version of) the introduction to the book. From https://www.apnews.com/0c...8b284f044b :

.

.

From https://www.penguinrandom...399589652/ :

.

The book is framed by editor Dan Piepenbring’s riveting and moving introduction about his profound collaboration with Prince in his final months—a time when Prince was thinking deeply about how to reveal more of himself and his ideas to the world, while retaining the mystery and mystique he’d so carefully cultivated—and annotations that provide context to the book’s images.

.

-

Thank you for the (great) info (as always).

-

I read the (a version of) the introduction to the book, twice !

Dan Piepenbring (so far) did a great job I believe.

Really looking forward to this, even if it's only less than 300 pages to read.

-

Prince had 50 pages written himself, right ?

Does that means extra essays and Prince's quotes & interviews puzeled together from over the years as one book... I wonder.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #76 posted 09/04/19 2:29am

BartVanHemelen

Vannormal said:

Does that means extra essays and Prince's quotes & interviews puzeled together from over the years as one book... I wonder.

-

.

The contents of the book have been known for months -- https://www.apnews.com/0c...8b284f044b -- and are detailed on the book's official page -- https://www.penguinrandom...399589652/ . Why do you lot find it so hard to do any research, or even click links?

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #77 posted 09/04/19 7:04am

poppys

Astasheiks said:

I find it a Great read


Me too. I loved it. As usual, Prince had great taste, this time in a writer.

Reply #78 posted 09/04/19 7:09am

poppys

Vannormal said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

-

Thank you for the (great) info (as always).

-

I read the (a version of) the introduction to the book, twice !

Dan Piepenbring (so far) did a great job I believe.

Really looking forward to this, even if it's only less than 300 pages to read.

-

Prince had 50 pages written himself, right ?

Does that means extra essays and Prince's quotes & interviews puzeled together from over the years as one book... I wonder.

-


This article mentions about 30 pages. I guess we'll find out how many he actually wrote, idk.

Reply #79 posted 09/04/19 7:11am

poppys

PeggyO said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

The cost of pulling it off the shelves in the future permanently, if he felt it no longer reflected of who he was anymore later after it became released.


That is what I said.


No eyeroll here. I love that part. So very Prince. And he got it accomplished in the con-tract.

Reply #80 posted 09/04/19 7:13am

poppys

PeggyO said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



If you think this, then you have missed the point of the article.

I have a difficult time reconciling this also.

I am curious...what do you think was the point of the article?


For me there are several points in the article. Completely fitting for Prince who could easily cook on an 8 burner stove - with stuff in the oven too.

Reply #81 posted 09/04/19 7:17am

poppys

Hamad said:

Mystery is a word for a reason indeed. The fact that this autobiography was unfinished, will add the intrigue to his already enigmatic persona, which will encourage people to pay closer attention to the music. After all, didn't he once said everything people need to know about him is in "his music"? He definitely embodied mystery all his life and anyway perhaps its better that somet hings were left unsaid. less is more thats what I think.


That's an interesting take Hamad. We do know one thing for sure now - do not call him Magical!!! cool

Reply #82 posted 09/04/19 7:42am

andrewm7

thank you so much for posting this article, I am really looking forward to the book
Reply #83 posted 09/04/19 8:16am

poppys

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.

Who said this? Please don't hurt me Bart.

Reply #84 posted 09/04/19 8:17am

PeggyO

I remember Prince referring to the author as "My brother, Dan...he is not a 'yes' man."

I had the feeling he had known Dan for a long time though it turns out they had just recently met.

Prince felt simpatico with him. From the brief excerpt, I got the feeling that though Dan is only 29 (which also surprised me), perhaps he was just the right type of temperament to allow Prince to unfold...to the extent that Prince would ever unfold.

Reply #85 posted 09/04/19 8:18am

PeggyO

poppys said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.

Who said this? Please don't hurt me Bart.

I believe it was Susan Rogers.

Reply #86 posted 09/04/19 8:27am

PURPLEIZED3121

PeggyO said:

poppys said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.

Who said this? Please don't hurt me Bart.

I believe it was Susan Rogers.

if anyone here is a parent...& a non parent tries to give you advice on your child...& you just want to fucking punch their inexperienced ass! THAT is how it was for P...sacred & ALL his to treat how the hell he wanted...if we had a problem with tapes spoiling that was OUR problem not his.

Mad, stubbourn, selfish, egotistical & that's why we loved him!

Reply #87 posted 09/04/19 8:28am

poppys

PeggyO said:

poppys said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.

Who said this? Please don't hurt me Bart.

I believe it was Susan Rogers.


That was my guess but wasn't sure.

Reply #88 posted 09/04/19 10:44am

BartVanHemelen

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PeggyO said:

I believe it was Susan Rogers.

if anyone here is a parent...& a non parent tries to give you advice on your child...& you just want to fucking punch their inexperienced ass!

.

Rogers is the one who started the vault, Prince was the irresponsible one who left master tapes in studios and elsewhere. But yeah, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your opinion.

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #89 posted 09/04/19 11:44am

icecreamcastle777

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[Edited 9/4/19 11:47am]
Reply #90 posted 09/04/19 12:01pm

icecreamcastle777

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.”

He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.
Reply #91 posted 09/04/19 12:14pm

Genesia

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.


So the Ebony interview was in 2015 and the time period of this article is the very start of 2016. Even for Prince, that is not a overlong period of time to stay on message.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #92 posted 09/04/19 1:36pm

clay

The saddest part to read was that he was sick of the guitar. At least for that time being. Not sure if his illness played a part of that. Sitting at a piano is much less of a strain. The guitar being such an extension of his voice and spirit, to be sick of it is quite sad



Strive said:

It made me sad to read that article. The last months (or years?) of his life were a haze, searching for the next thing that would excite him, that was so far away from Jehovah's teachings.
Reply #93 posted 09/04/19 1:42pm

ChocolateBox3121

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

Prince(r.i.p) also said in that Ebony interview he wanted to work with Morris again. Then he brought Morris and his group back to PP that January which really touched Morris. Which I'm sure he will get more deep into in his upcoming book.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #94 posted 09/04/19 1:43pm

Hamad

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.”

He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.


I guess those are the same folks who are still on that “Prince is mixed” trip. That Ebony interview was one of his best and if Miles Marshall Lewis didn’t write anything else, that interview would’ve been all the credential he needed. I also love the fact that Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.
Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #95 posted 09/04/19 2:44pm

BartVanHemelen

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

.

Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

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Reply #96 posted 09/04/19 3:37pm

Hamad

BartVanHemelen said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

.

Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

Oh stop it you kiss2

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #97 posted 09/04/19 6:29pm

PeggyO

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

Reply #98 posted 09/04/19 6:31pm

ChocolateBox3121

PeggyO said:

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

I bet he did to. wink

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #99 posted 09/04/19 8:15pm

PeggyO

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeggyO said:

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

I bet he did to. wink

i have always had a strong candidate...a musician, witty writer, super knowledgeable.

Reply #100 posted 09/05/19 12:34am

dodger

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

100%

Some of the comments on here attributing his Ebony interview to meds, because certain parts didn't fit their own narrative, were well out of line.

It was refreshing to see him being so open and honest and not speaking in riddles as per.

Reply #101 posted 09/05/19 12:45am

dodger

BartVanHemelen said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

.

Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...



[Off topic snip - luv4u]

Reply #102 posted 09/05/19 1:53am

Hamad

dodger said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



Hamad said:


 Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

.


Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...



[Off topic snip - luv4u] 


.




He didn’t berate me, the miserable grumpy twat just wanted an excuse to argue with one more person seeing that he already argued with everyone in this site within the past 24 hours. My statement was clear though, “music” being the operative word, Prince advocated black ownership for the past 20+ years & that person’s statement has nothing to do with mine. As much as he wanna bark about research like he does to everyone here, it’s simply not needed because what I said is common knowledge lol
Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #103 posted 09/05/19 2:04pm

jdcxc

Genesia said:

 



2freaky4church1 said:


"There was nothing false in the way he spoke to me, and nothing false in the way he spoke during his darkest moments. I can’t think less of him for hiding his pain. He was living on his own terms. To expect anything more of him would have been to expect magic. "


 


  touched




I don't think he was "hiding" anything. Do you talk about your pain with strangers? (If you do, please stop.)



I found it interesting that he corrected “Flu like symptoms.” Possibly a bit of honesty before his eventual coming to terms with his addiction in the memoirs?
Reply #104 posted 09/05/19 2:19pm

jdcxc

Hamad said:

dodger said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



Hamad said:


 Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

.


Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...



[Off topic snip - luv4u] 


.




He didn’t berate me, the miserable grumpy twat just wanted an excuse to argue with one more person seeing that he already argued with everyone in this site within the past 24 hours. My statement was clear though, “music” being the operative word, Prince advocated black ownership for the past 20+ years & that person’s statement has nothing to do with mine. As much as he wanna bark about research like he does to everyone here, it’s simply not needed because what I said is common knowledge lol


Hamad, there are way more Black writers, musicians and artists who agree with u. And Prince has ALWAYS worked closely with Black journalists (invited entire NABJ to Paisley), DJ’s and music industry insiders...talk to Cynthia Horner or The Electrifying Mojo.
Reply #105 posted 09/05/19 6:37pm

ChocolateBox3121

Prince’s d.j., Pam Warren, known as Purple Pam......

purplepam.jpeg


"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #106 posted 09/05/19 10:11pm

loveletter

questions for Mr. Dan Piepenbring

1. during your conversations with Peter Bravestrong how did you address him?

2. If Mr. Johnson was under the direction of Mr. Bravestrong. Were U, as well?

3. also what differences did u notice between the 2, Mr. Nelson and Mr. Bravestrong.

Hello God,

within this loveletter

Special Thanks 2 Paisley Park and The DownLoad Society
Reply #107 posted 09/06/19 1:33am

WhisperingDandelions

Hamad said:

dodger said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

He didn’t berate me, the miserable grumpy twat just wanted an excuse to argue with one more person seeing that he already argued with everyone in this site within the past 24 hours. My statement was clear though, “music” being the operative word, Prince advocated black ownership for the past 20+ years & that person’s statement has nothing to do with mine. As much as he wanna bark about research like he does to everyone here, it’s simply not needed because what I said is common knowledge lol

Well, I mean, you did initially quantify it with the word "always" and are now breaking it down semantically to "for the past 20+ years."

Reality is a lot of that sentiment seemed to only exist to Prince (as far as direct evidence is concerned) after the 80s concluded, which I think was all b0rt was trying to emphasize.

Reply #108 posted 09/06/19 1:52am

Hamad

WhisperingDandelions said:

 



Hamad said:


dodger said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u] 




He didn’t berate me, the miserable grumpy twat just wanted an excuse to argue with one more person seeing that he already argued with everyone in this site within the past 24 hours. My statement was clear though, “music” being the operative word, Prince advocated black ownership for the past 20+ years & that person’s statement has nothing to do with mine. As much as he wanna bark about research like he does to everyone here, it’s simply not needed because what I said is common knowledge lol

Well, I mean, you did initially quantify it with the word "always" and are now breaking it down semantically to "for the past 20+ years."

Reality is a lot of that sentiment seemed to only exist to Prince (as far as direct evidence is concerned) after the 80s concluded, which I think was all b0rt was trying to emphasize.



And? Sure, errors & mistakes are liable to happen even in the .org (*sharp dramatic gasps!*) and I have no problem taking responsibility for my own should it happen, after all we exchange ideas as a community. I don’t care what he’s trying to emphasize, civility won’t kill him or you. Don’t try to rationalize his habitual assholery, if you can tolerate it & “decode” what he’s trying to say underneath all that pile of douchbagness, good luck, I personally won’t wink

Reality is none of us have the definitive version of the truth & nobody is the gatekeeper either. So, be civil or be gone.
Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #109 posted 09/06/19 5:14am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #110 posted 09/06/19 5:27am

Cloudbuster

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.newyorker.com...-of-prince


Thank you.

Reply #111 posted 09/06/19 6:58am

poppys

People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself.

^^THIS is what Prince thought about people trying to Nanny and scold regarding what he should do with his work. HIS work which belonged to him. There are other artists who have destroyed entire swaths of their own work, on purpose. So what? Nobody here created anything to keep or destroy.

Reply #112 posted 09/06/19 7:36am

Vannormal

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

Does that means extra essays and Prince's quotes & interviews puzeled together from over the years as one book... I wonder.

-

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The contents of the book have been known for months -- https://www.apnews.com/0c...8b284f044b -- and are detailed on the book's official page -- https://www.penguinrandom...399589652/ . Why do you lot find it so hard to do any research, or even click links?

-

Oh yes, that's so true.

But we have you !

Isn't that just great and convenient ?! wink

No serious;

You are a walking wonder on this earth when it comes to all perfectly detailed and informed Princely information feed.

And don't get me wrong, I really really appreciate that.

I think most of us here do that.

No matter how much of a prick most think you are.

I for one am always happy with your posts, positive or negative.

Keep up the good work. smile

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #113 posted 09/06/19 7:48am

Cloudbuster

poppys said:

People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself.

^^THIS is what Prince thought about people trying to Nanny and scold regarding what he should do with his work. HIS work which belonged to him. There are other artists who have destroyed entire swaths of their own work, on purpose. So what? Nobody here created anything to keep or destroy.


Well, no. That was the problem. For most of his life the music that he was most well known for didn't belong to him. Even now, in retrospect, many of the manoeuvres that he pulled during his fight with WB seemed unnecessary. He didn't appear to have the best negotiating head on his shoulders at that point and the result was that he alienated people, including many fans, and ended up pissing in his own shoes. He came across as a haughty multi-millionaire who people could no longer relate to as his fight for artistic freedom came across in such a muddled way. That he'd signed a seemingly hugely rewarding deal just a few months before left him looking ridiculous. With the slave/name-change stunt he became a laughing stock and too few people cared enough to try to figure out what he was actually making a case for. A real shame but the finger pointed in only one direction and it wasn't at WB. They were actually very generous to him and he thanked them by behaving like a spoilt brat. He really should have tried to handle things in a much more level headed way.

Reply #114 posted 09/06/19 8:39am

poppys

Cloudbuster said:

poppys said:

People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself.

^^THIS is what Prince thought about people trying to Nanny and scold regarding what he should do with his work. HIS work which belonged to him. There are other artists who have destroyed entire swaths of their own work, on purpose. So what? Nobody here created anything to keep or destroy.


Well, no. That was the problem. For most of his life the music that he was most well known for didn't belong to him. Even now, in retrospect, many of the manoeuvres that he pulled during his fight with WB seemed unnecessary. He didn't appear to have the best negotiating head on his shoulders at that point and the result was that he alienated people, including many fans, and ended up pissing in his own shoes. He came across as a haughty multi-millionaire who people could no longer relate to as his fight for artistic freedom came across in such a muddled way. That he'd signed a seemingly hugely rewarding deal just a few months before left him looking ridiculous. With the slave/name-change stunt he became a laughing stock and too few people cared enough to try to figure out what he was actually making a case for. A real shame but the finger pointed in only one direction and it wasn't at WB. They were actually very generous to him and he thanked them by behaving like a spoilt brat. He really should have tried to handle things in a much more level headed way.


Again, so what? Have you ever personally known any really talented artists? Most of them are nuts. Doesn't mean they need (or want) a Nanny. Everything you said is after the fact industry/pissed off fan overview stuff.

I was speaking in a broad sense that without his output as an artist - from the get - there would be none of this opinion jockeying. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what he really should have done. That's your problem, not his, or mine. This thread is supposed to be about an article about a book, btw. Plenty of psychoanalysis in countless other threads.

Reply #115 posted 09/06/19 9:02am

Cloudbuster

poppys said:.


Again, so what? Have you ever personally known any really talented artists? Most of them are nuts. Doesn't mean they need (or want) a Nanny. Everything you said is after the fact industry/pissed off fan overview stuff.

I was speaking in a broad sense that without his output as an artist - from the get - there would be none of this opinion jockeying. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what he really should have done. That's your problem, not his, or mine. This thread is supposed to be about an article about a book, btw. Plenty of psychoanalysis in countless other threads.


lol

Thanks for the delightful retort. "His work which belonged to him" remains for the most part a falsehood, however.
Arrivederci.

Reply #116 posted 09/06/19 11:01am

poppys

Cloudbuster said:

poppys said:.


Again, so what? Have you ever personally known any really talented artists? Most of them are nuts. Doesn't mean they need (or want) a Nanny. Everything you said is after the fact industry/pissed off fan overview stuff.

I was speaking in a broad sense that without his output as an artist - from the get - there would be none of this opinion jockeying. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass what he really should have done. That's your problem, not his, or mine. This thread is supposed to be about an article about a book, btw. Plenty of psychoanalysis in countless other threads.


lol

Thanks for the delightful retort. "His work which belonged to him" remains for the most part a falsehood, however.
Arrivederci.


Ta-ta. I've noticed this a lot lately. If you don't like what someone else says, the mocking laugh emoticon works for any occasion.

Interesting you said for the most part - a truly ruthless businessperson would have closed that loophole. Historically, artists are the most exploited creators of the new. Even Michelangelo had to answer to the Pope.

Reply #117 posted 09/06/19 12:35pm

jfenster

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeggyO said:

I like that Prince was considering Prince bloggers to collaborate with him. I wonder if he considered any orgers? I bet he did.

I bet he did to. wink

yeh.... with all THAT baggage

Reply #118 posted 09/06/19 4:58pm

mnfriend

The intro from the New Yorker struck me true, too.
We can ‘hear’ Prince.
The other ‘announcements’ of the book, of course, met with skepticism because of all the money makers out there.
This line struck me personally-
‘He’d inspired them to write, he said, and they might inspire him, too.’
(About his fans reviews)
I will be purchasing the book.
[Edited 9/6/19 16:59pm]
Reply #119 posted 09/06/19 8:39pm

mnfriend

MN Star Tribune seems surprised they didn’t get the scoop:


http://www.startribune.com/prince-co-author-details-extremely-unlikely-story-behind-new-memoir-in-new-yorker-article/559478242/


(Just a repeat of the New Yorker story. The New Yorker story/ introduction to the book stands alone. Guess Prince could trust this writer, seems he kept his cards breasted until the right time)
[Edited 9/6/19 20:41pm]
Reply #120 posted 09/07/19 4:30am

MMJas

mnfriend said:

MN Star Tribune seems surprised they didn’t get the scoop: http://www.startribune.co...559478242/ (Just a repeat of the New Yorker story. The New Yorker story/ introduction to the book stands alone. Guess Prince could trust this writer, seems he kept his cards breasted until the right time) [Edited 9/6/19 20:41pm]

Wow. They say it's an "unlikely story".

Reply #121 posted 09/07/19 4:43pm

BartVanHemelen

Hamad said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

Oh stop it you kiss2

.

If I was wrong, you'd be able to counter what I said with evidence. Meanwhile, I can simply point to the Rolling Stone interviews and MTV interview etc.

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Reply #122 posted 09/07/19 4:48pm

BartVanHemelen

jdcxc said:


Hamad, there are way more Black writers, musicians and artists who agree with u. And Prince has ALWAYS worked closely with Black journalists (invited entire NABJ to Paisley), DJ’s and music industry insiders...talk to Cynthia Horner or The Electrifying Mojo.

.

So to prove me wrong, you mention ONE event from 2015, and one DJ, and you namedrop a person without pointing to any evidence. That's "always"? Again: prove me wrong. List all those times where Prince helped out black-owned businesses in the 1980s. I can point to his exclusive interview with MTV, or his exclusive interviews with Rolling Stone.

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Reply #123 posted 09/07/19 5:17pm

violetcrush

BartVanHemelen said:

jdcxc said:


Hamad, there are way more Black writers, musicians and artists who agree with u. And Prince has ALWAYS worked closely with Black journalists (invited entire NABJ to Paisley), DJ’s and music industry insiders...talk to Cynthia Horner or The Electrifying Mojo.

.

So to prove me wrong, you mention ONE event from 2015, and one DJ, and you namedrop a person without pointing to any evidence. That's "always"? Again: prove me wrong. List all those times where Prince helped out black-owned businesses in the 1980s. I can point to his exclusive interview with MTV, or his exclusive interviews with Rolling Stone.

He did mix it up between black and white publications/businesses prior to his "crossover" in 1984 (Right On, Rock & Soul, Soul Teen), and to be fair, he did not do much of anything with the press between 1983-1990. He did do a pretty extensive interview with Ebony published July 1986 - may be because he had been getting flack in the press for moving away from his soul/funk roots. He also did the pretty extensive radio interview with Mojo after the birthday show which was great, but also very local.

*

But yes, his biggest interviews were with Rolling Stone and MTV in 1985.

Reply #124 posted 09/07/19 5:18pm

Hamad

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Read it with me again: "black ownership". Isn't his own business black-owned to begin with? Wasn't the whole Paisley Park black-owned? Prince was BLACK wasn't he? wink You're the one who's barking about MTV & Rolling Stones etc but what does that have to do with my initial statement? Being a champion of black ownership starts at home, and he started with himself & his legacy. Whether he helped other black owned businesses or not is another subject entirely, but since you brought it up, we have seen how many people came out of the woodwork talking about Prince' charity work which he never advertised. So where does that leave your precious evidences? By all means stick with them and stfu.

If you're looking to argue for the sake argument, go to the nearest mirror you can find. Otherwise we can do this all night. Not only that you're wrong, but you're a gas-lighting idiot on top of that.

[Edited 9/7/19 17:43pm]

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #125 posted 09/07/19 5:31pm

violetcrush

leadline said:

As I mentioned before for those folks that say Prince knew he was going to die, or had nothing left to accomplish, this article shows he had grand future plans way beyond this book. Definitely not the actions of someone who knows they are checking out in a few months.

I would tend to agree - or at the very least, he thought he had enough time to complete the book.

*

This is why I have always laughed at the ridiculous notion by some that "Prince was so broken-hearted from Vanity's passing that he just could not live any longer" or that he "followed her into the afterlife." Okay, sure.

*

Of course he was very upset about her passing, and paid tribute to her in a very loving and respectful way. but based on this article, it seems it was "business as usual" for him immediately following that concert in Sydney. He was excited about the book.

*

It also seems, in typical Prince fashion, that he gave this guy the "run around" about subject, topics, logistics, and everything else in between. This dude has stamina!

Reply #126 posted 09/07/19 5:58pm

violetcrush

Hamad said:

Mystery is a word for a reason indeed. The fact that this autobiography was unfinished, will add the intrigue to his already enigmatic persona, which will encourage people to pay closer attention to the music. After all, didn't he once said everything people need to know about him is in "his music"? He definitely embodied mystery all his life and anyway perhaps its better that somet hings were left unsaid. less is more thats what I think.

He absolutely did state "if you want to know about me listen to my music." He put all of his feelings, opinions and life experiences into his songs. He communicated to specific people in his songs.

*

Once I listened to his first P&M show at PP on January 21st, 2016 I was floored. He was literally telling his story with both words and his songs chronologically from 3 rys old through Purple Rain on that first night. It was a verbal and musical auto-biography. Just beautiful, emotional, and heartfelt.

*

Interesting that just one week later he contacted the publishers about his idea of writing his memoir.

Reply #127 posted 09/07/19 6:03pm

Hamad

BartVanHemelen said:

Hamad said:

Prince was always a champion for black ownership, especially when it comes to music & intellectual properties.

.

Oh really? Then obviously he did a bunch of interviews with magazines like Jet and Ebony in the 1980s, right? Oh wait...

Highlighted. Where did I mention Ebony, Jet, MTV or Rolling Stones? Where did I mention anyone except him? Totally random & unnecessary. Your obsessive & obnoxious fetish to correct folks even when there's no argument blinded your senses. Refrain from addressing me from now own please.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #128 posted 09/07/19 6:07pm

Hamad

violetcrush said:

Hamad said:

Mystery is a word for a reason indeed. The fact that this autobiography was unfinished, will add the intrigue to his already enigmatic persona, which will encourage people to pay closer attention to the music. After all, didn't he once said everything people need to know about him is in "his music"? He definitely embodied mystery all his life and anyway perhaps its better that somet hings were left unsaid. less is more thats what I think.

He absolutely did state "if you want to know about me listen to my music." He put all of his feelings, opinions and life experiences into his songs. He communicated to specific people in his songs.

*

Once I listened to his first P&M show at PP on January 21st, 2016 I was floored. He was literally telling his story with both words and his songs chronologically from 3 rys old through Purple Rain on that first night. It was a verbal and musical auto-biography. Just beautiful, emotional, and heartfelt.

*

Interesting that just one week later he contacted the publishers about his idea of writing his memoir.

Indeed nod there's much subtlety to unravel, and that's from what has been released officially. Let alone the stuff that ended up shelved in the vault.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #129 posted 09/07/19 6:09pm

poppys

Hamad said:

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Read it with me again: "black ownership". Isn't his own business black-owned to begin with? Wasn't the whole Paisley Park black-owned? Prince was BLACK wasn't he? wink You're the one who's barking about MTV & Rolling Stones etc but what does that have to do with my initial statement? Being a champion of black ownership starts at home, and he started with himself & his legacy. Whether he helped other black owned businesses or not is another subject entirely, but since you brought it up, we have seen how many people came out of the woodwork talking about Prince' charity work which he never advertised. So where does that leave your precious evidences? By all means stick with them and stfu.

If you're looking to argue for the sake argument, go to the nearest mirror you can find. Otherwise we can do this all night. Not only that you're wrong, but you're a gas-lighting idiot on top of that.


Agree. Find anything that says Prince was against black ownership. smh

Reply #130 posted 09/08/19 1:33pm

kindofblue

On a sidenote: The evening Dan Piepenbring describes as his first meeting with Prince is also the last time Prince talked to Morris Day. On Jan 29, 2016, both Morris Day and The Time and Judith Hill played @ Paisley Park after dark.

Morris talked about the event here: http://ew.com/music/2017/...ay-prince/

“We knew each other for so long, it was like a family. There’s no perfect relationship. We had business disagreements and stuff like that, but anytime we saw each other, we talked and chopped it up like we just talked the day before.” They were in touch on and off throughout Prince’s final years, and Day is grateful they had one last chance to connect before his death: In January of 2016, Prince called Day and invited him to come to Paisley Park and perform with the Time. “We hung out a little bit before the show, and hung out for a little while after the show,” he says. “The fact that I got to go and hang out with him a couple months before his passing — that is one of the most standout memories for me.”


Reply #131 posted 09/08/19 1:55pm

rogifan

I'm not sure what magazine interviews have to do with black ownership. And why just focus on the 80s?

Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #132 posted 09/09/19 8:25am

RobotFix

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.






Prince should've been grateful to Susan Rogers, who began the process of curating his vast recordings. Since his passing, in interviews, she's celebrated him and defended his legacy. To the end, unfortunately, he was supercilious and unforgiving.

Reply #133 posted 09/09/19 10:23am

barnswallow

Note: I've been trying to excise 'should' from my vocabulary... but that's just been a personal goal since I don't think it serves me well.

I was trying to remember where I'd read recently about differing interpretations of an action from black/white perspectives... I can't remember. But, I did find this from a novel I'm reading, p. 93 of

'Sag Harbor' by Colson Whitehead:

The day our electricity went out, NP sauntered in late, wearing a fresh Jonni Waffle shirt his mother had washed for him. His mother was no weekend parent. She was a teacher by profession, and dashed out to Sag, packed for the summer, as soon as the final school bell of the year started ringing. He said hi to Nick, slapped my hand, and then looked at my hair and, with a glance at Martine, said, "You sure you want to leave it all exposed like that? You want a hat?"

I said, "Shut up, bitch." I'd been experimenting with "bitch," trying it out every couple of days. Going well so far, from the response.

Nick flicked NP's arm with his finger. "Why you got to instigate something all the time?" he asked.

NP headed straight for the soda machine and shouted out, "Martine, you get enough Pistachio this time?" winking at us over his fake diligence.

The Head-Patting Incident had occurred the week before, after a post-lunch rush. It was a hot day, steaming, riling the natives. The waffle-cone supply was low when the rush hit, and of everybody on shift, I was known as a clutch waffle-roller, knocking them out at an enviable rate when the pressure was on, not that such a skill was worthy of envy, but you get the point, I got the job done without sacrificing quality and with few rejects. The rush ended on a brutal note when a family of six, mom and dad and their nattering brood in every species of khaki shorts - Sansabelt, pleated, hip-hugging elastic - decided it would be neat if they all had banana splits. Which were our absolute bane beause everyone thought the banana split was very exotic and so they eyeballed every step of the construction process and traded notes afterward, with one of the group inevitably complaining when their split had a smidgen less fudge than their companions'.

Eventually, the family beat it out the door. The guys behind the counter, and me in my waffle perch, began to relax. Martine emerged from the back and, observing my accomplishment, the stack of cones, said, "Great job, Benji, those are some real cones you got there," and he patted me on the head. Two bounces.

I stiffened. I think I heard NP's jaw drop. Martine was out the door with his briefcase.

What the," I said.

NP came around the counter. "Yo, Martine just patted you on the head like you were a pickaninny."

"I'm not his --" I started.

"White man patted me on the head like a pickaninny, I'd kick his ass, shit."

"Martine is black," Nick said. "He was just saying, 'Good job, brotherman.' "

"That's some racist shit right there," NP said. "Pat a black man on the head."

There has been far too little research done in the area of what drives white people to touch black hair. What are the origins of the pet, pat, bounce their fingers in the soft, resilient exuberance of an Afro, a natural, a just-doin'-its-own-thing jumble of black hair? It's only hair -- but try telling that to that specimen eyeing a seductive bonbon of black locks, as the sweat beads on their forehead and they tremble with the intensity of restraint, their fingers locked in a fist in their pocket: I cannot touch it, but I must. A black-hair fondler has a few favorite questions that they like to ask when they fondle. "How do you comb it?" "How do you make it do that?" "How do you wash it?" With a pick; just does it; shampoo. Jerkoff.

A good starting point for such a study might be a metropolitan preschool, where the races are forced to mix with each other. Let the camera roll. The hours of footage, capturing the white schoolteacher's pats of her charges' nappy heads -- good-morning hello, after-recess howdy, end-of-day farewell -- will be a fruitful avenue of research. It's an ancient curiosity, no doubt, one that finds its first full expression during slavery. The contact of the two races on a daily basis, on New World soil, as they breathe its strange air. Picture the slavehoder as he surveys his property, both animate and inanimate, walking between the rows of the slave shacks, the field niggers standing at attention. He passes a young boy with bright eyes, round cheeks . . . and an irresistible 'Fro, untamed, almost flirtatious. Is it. . .can it be. . .winking at him? He will pet his property and pet is the correct verb, for these are animals before him.

I had punched a white classmate or two or three, some boys and a girl, in the stomach or the eye, during my early elementary-school years for inappropriate 'Fro-touching. "I just wanted to see what it felt like." I punched them according to my father's lessons. In each case, the principal called our house that evening, my mother answered, my father listened to one side of the conversation, came to a boil, asked for the phone, and then schooled Mr. Aletta in the finer points of black history, patiently, inexorably. That was a long time ago.

NP started a campaign. In slow moments he'd whisper, "It's like lamb's wool," with a tone of wonder in his voice.

When I returned form my ten-minute break, he'd squeak excitedly, "I love its kinky texture."

And also, "It springs back so fast."

And merely "Nappy!" if he was feeling pithy.

Nick said, "He's black, I'm telling you," and that's how things went for a time. What had been Martine's intent? Caught between NP's indictment that I'd been punked, and Nick's vision of racial solidarity. I was in the middle, bending as usual in the direction of whatever breeze was blowing through me that day. The day our electricity went out, I inclined toward NP and his vision of eternal, unending race warfare.

What are you going to do about it? What are you ever going to do about anything?

As an aside, do you think that Colson Whitehead would be a good person to be involved in the Prince documentary as a writer? At the end of 'The Underground Railroad', for which he won the National Book Award, he writes in the Acknowledgments: "David Bowie is in every book, and I always put on Purple Rain and Daydream Nation when I write the final pages; so thanks to him and Prince and Sonic Youth."

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Reply #134 posted 09/09/19 1:49pm

violetcrush

RobotFix said:

 



icecreamcastle777 said:


The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

 








Prince should've been grateful to Susan Rogers, who began the process of curating his vast recordings. Since his passing, in interviews, she's celebrated him and defended his legacy. To the end, unfortunately, he was supercilious and unforgiving.


Exactly. If not for Susan he may not have even had a Vault. She was the one who began organizing his tapes in ‘83. Yes, Prince was not helpless, and yes he knew what to do. However, by the state of his Vault it seems he just chose not to bother, and that is very sad.
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I also wish someone would find that interview. If she did use the term “God-given right” it may have been a purposeful exaggeration. More than likely she was just expressing her concern about the condition of the Vault and the importance of preserving his music.
Reply #135 posted 09/09/19 2:24pm

poppys

^^ But why does anyone think it's their business to "preserve his music" in the first place? If he never had a vault, there would still be the music he did give - and a lot less bitching. It's like the actual person creating the stuff is lost on you guys. He is a commodity to you now, and the commodity is the most important thing. More, more more. It really is a sickness - picking another human apart down to the bones, even in death.

Anyway, this is off-topic to the thread, there are open threads right now discussing this.

Reply #136 posted 09/09/19 2:26pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

Prince connected one lyric form The Beautiful Ones to Vanity in that Ebony article, which was "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose", and his connection to that lyric was that she had quit the film. This completely makes sense. Even the lyric, "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" makes sense in connection with Vanity. However, the rest of the lyrics do not.

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When asked directly about Susannah Melvoin in that Ebony interview he evaded a direct response, and gave two completely opposite answers - one, stating that he was not writing about anything "carnal" - the lyrics were of a spiritual nature, and then two, stating that he was writing the rest of the lyrics for the scene in the film. Those two responses are not even remotely similar.

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Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you. We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time.

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Prince was just pissed off that several of the 80's associates had contributed to the recent Biographies that had been released during that time - specifically Alan Light's book, because he and Alan were friends for many years, so I'm sure Prince read his book. To me it couldn't be more obvious.

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This was his "realist" interview?? His last comment about comparing himself to another popular musician (I forget the name) who didn't have people around him, because he was too good, and then saying "it be quiet around here" was very sad to me, and also very transparent. I think he was a very lonely guy.

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Reply #137 posted 09/09/19 2:54pm

poppys

^^ UGH

Reply #138 posted 09/09/19 4:10pm

violetcrush

poppys said:

^^ But why does anyone think it's their business to "preserve his music" in the first place? If he never had a vault, there would still be the music he did give - and a lot less bitching. It's like the actual person creating the stuff is lost on you guys. He is a commodity to you now, and the commodity is the most important thing. More, more more. It really is a sickness - picking another human apart down to the bones, even in death.

Anyway, this is off-topic to the thread, there are open threads right now discussing this.


It has nothing to do with “picking apart” Prince. It is an opinion about how he spoke about someone who worked her ass off for him during his most prolific period, and also cared enough and had the foresight - even back then - to try to catalogue and also preserve all of his unreleased music, which is now probably greater than the music that was actually released. She was a friend who cared about his music and his legacy - as much or possibly more than he actually did.
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Everyone has opinions about everyone’s statements and/or actions. Prince, like any other well known celebrity/public figure just gets a larger volume of opinions - many positive and some critical. Additionally, this site is a forum to do exactly that - express opinions. The “Estate” and “Death Investigation” threads are clear examples.
Reply #139 posted 09/09/19 5:13pm

Hamad

Why was the Ebony interview taken down btw?

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #140 posted 09/09/19 6:13pm

violetcrush

Hamad said:

Why was the Ebony interview taken down btw?


Prince personally had it pulled within hours of its release.
Reply #141 posted 09/09/19 6:34pm

ChocolateBox3121

poppys said:

^^ But why does anyone think it's their business to "preserve his music" in the first place? If he never had a vault, there would still be the music he did give - and a lot less bitching. It's like the actual person creating the stuff is lost on you guys. He is a commodity to you now, and the commodity is the most important thing. More, more more. It really is a sickness - picking another human apart down to the bones, even in death.

Anyway, this is off-topic to the thread, there are open threads right now discussing this.

You'll NEVER win with that person. They think they know EVERYTHING!

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #142 posted 09/09/19 6:37pm

mnfriend

Here is the Ebony interview.

My head is spinning a bit,
‘Look at Me, Look at U’
‘When She Comes’

are referenced, I read them, his poetry... Can’t find words, except I’m a little dizzy, lol.

I was looking for a quote of his that makes me laugh from that talk, haven't pulled it up in a long time. Yes I remember the take it down/ don’t post any links/ whatever it all meant
However,
reading it today,
it is the same P flow intro book.
https://m.facebook.com/notes/housequake/prince-hits-n-runs-n-talks-ebony-interview-dec-22-2015/916986788385046/
Reply #143 posted 09/09/19 6:43pm

mnfriend

Oh! He uses the word ‘magic’ Intro to new book has paragraphs with Prince asking his music not to be described with this word ‘magic’
For me personally, it is easy to use ‘magic’ as a common adjective, verb or noun, I get it.


(From Ebony article I just posted)
Prince: No, no. Keyboards a little, just parts. I’m getting in the habit of that now. I did it on one album a long time ago. I love schooling musicians on just one track. “You are gonna do a masterpiece today. You just gotta listen.” And when they get it, it’s so fun, because you see them go through what I go through. It’s magic, you know? You gotta feel that you did something magical. It all blends, and you get everybody to calm down and listen to when they’re playing and get outside of themselves, like they’re listening to the record rather than playing it.
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Reply #144 posted 09/09/19 6:48pm

mnfriend

Okay. I remember the Ebony 2015 interview
Prince saying he was celibate for a number of years,
with a punchline ‘then along comes Saturday’ or something

So, it’s been cleaned up? Sanitized?

Then don’t forget to wash the song titles and lyrics. Good grief.
Reply #145 posted 09/09/19 7:32pm

mnfriend

I found the Prince quote that made me laugh.

Reply #12 posted 01/08/17 3:22pm
mnfriend

(In the old days, you hooked up with some of your female collaborators.)

"I just see beauty in everybody now. When you're a kid, you go, "She's the finest. I want to be with her only." And then you hook up with her and you realize that's not the case 'cause here comes, you know, Saturday. [Laughs hard]"




*disclosure re: Ebony article, I do not know what exactly is true anymore,
as far as missing paragraphs, etc.
Reply #146 posted 09/09/19 7:51pm

violetcrush

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



poppys said:


^^ But why does anyone think it's their business to "preserve his music" in the first place? If he never had a vault, there would still be the music he did give - and a lot less bitching. It's like the actual person creating the stuff is lost on you guys. He is a commodity to you now, and the commodity is the most important thing. More, more more. It really is a sickness - picking another human apart down to the bones, even in death.

Anyway, this is off-topic to the thread, there are open threads right now discussing this.



You'll NEVER win with that person. They think they know EVERYTHING!



lol says the person whose usual response to any member’s information or opinion is:
LIES!!!!
lol
Reply #147 posted 09/09/19 7:53pm

violetcrush

mnfriend said:

Okay. I remember the Ebony 2015 interview
Prince saying he was celibate for a number of years,
with a punchline ‘then along comes Saturday’ or something

So, it’s been cleaned up? Sanitized?

Then don’t forget to wash the song titles and lyrics. Good grief.


I thought it was the RS interview where he stated he was celibate?
Reply #148 posted 09/09/19 10:11pm

icecreamcastle777

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

Prince connected one lyric form The Beautiful Ones to Vanity in that Ebony article, which was "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose", and his connection to that lyric was that she had quit the film. This completely makes sense. Even the lyric, "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" makes sense in connection with Vanity. However, the rest of the lyrics do not.

*

When asked directly about Susannah Melvoin in that Ebony interview he evaded a direct response, and gave two completely opposite answers - one, stating that he was not writing about anything "carnal" - the lyrics were of a spiritual nature, and then two, stating that he was writing the rest of the lyrics for the scene in the film. Those two responses are not even remotely similar.

*

Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you. We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time.

*

Prince was just pissed off that several of the 80's associates had contributed to the recent Biographies that had been released during that time - specifically Alan Light's book, because he and Alan were friends for many years, so I'm sure Prince read his book. To me it couldn't be more obvious.

*

This was his "realist" interview?? His last comment about comparing himself to another popular musician (I forget the name) who didn't have people around him, because he was too good, and then saying "it be quiet around here" was very sad to me, and also very transparent. I think he was a very lonely guy.

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Violetcrush said: "Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you. We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time."

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You really said that shit with a straight face??? That has to be the dumbest interpertation I ever heard, considering Prince never even told Susannah that the song was about her... (He did say he told Vanity though...) You got a whole lot to say, yet Prince was STILL pointing to Vanity as the inspiration behind the song at his 2016 P&M show as it shows in this article. That my dear is the point that's being made.

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Reply #149 posted 09/10/19 2:18am

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

 



violetcrush said:


 



icecreamcastle777 said:


The book would allow him to seize the narrative of his own life. Once, he said, he’d seen one of his former employees on TV saying she thought it was her God-given duty to preserve and protect the unreleased material in his vault. “Now, that sounds like someone I should call the police on,” he told me. “How is that not racist?” People were always casting him—and all black artists—in a helpless role, he said, as if he were incapable of managing himself. “I still have to brush my own teeth,” he said.” He was talking about Susan Rogers. He said the same thing in that 2015 Ebony Interview that was taken down. Some people on here love saying he was crazy and incoherent in that interview. Looking at this article he’s still repeating some of the same stuff he talked about in that interview. He never backpedaled on what he had to say about Susan Rogers or the song The Beautiful Ones connection to Vanity. This just shows that The Ebony Interview was one of the realist interviews Prince ever did.

 


Prince connected one lyric form The Beautiful Ones to Vanity in that Ebony article, which was "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose", and his connection to that lyric was that she had quit the film.  This completely makes sense.  Even the lyric, "the beautiful ones always smash the picture" makes sense in connection with Vanity.  However, the rest of the lyrics do not. 


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When asked directly about Susannah Melvoin in that Ebony interview he evaded a direct response, and gave two completely opposite answers - one, stating that he was not writing about anything "carnal" -  the lyrics were of a spiritual nature, and then two, stating that he was writing the rest of the lyrics for the scene in the film. Those two responses are not even remotely similar.


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Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you.  We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time. 


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Prince was just pissed off that several of the 80's associates had contributed to the recent Biographies that had been released during that time - specifically Alan Light's book, because he and Alan were friends for many years, so I'm sure Prince read his book.  To me it couldn't be more obvious.  


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This was his "realist" interview??  His last comment about comparing himself to another popular musician (I forget the name) who didn't have people around him, because he was too good, and then saying "it be quiet around here" was very sad to me, and also very transparent.  I think he was a very lonely guy.


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Violetcrush said: "Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you.  We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time." 


 


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You really said that shit with a straight face??? That has to be the dumbest interpertation I ever heard, considering Prince never even told Susannah that the song was about her...  (He did say he told Vanity though...) You got a whole lot to say, yet Prince was STILL pointing to Vanity as the inspiration behind the song at his 2016 P&M show as it shows in this article. That my dear is the point that's being made.





 


 


 


 


 

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You are quite ridiculous as well. Vanity had just passed away. PRINCE WAS EULOGIZING HER AND HONORING HER LIFE. What do you think he would have done if he had found out Susannah had passed that day?? You think he would have just ignored it, and said nothing about what she meant to him?? Nope, don’t think so. In fact, I bet he would have been forthright about her connection to the rest of he song.
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AGAIN, Prince specifically stated how and where Vanity was connected to TBO in that ridiculous Ebony interview that you are constantly clinging to.
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Prince made the new statement about the inspiration for the REST of the song ALMOST A MONTH BEFORE VANITY PASSED. He was clearly stating he wrote the song to “get” a girl that night. I’m glad he opened up that way too. He didn’t have to specifically name anyone. It was obvious what he meant, because the fans that were there already knew the long held backstory.
Reply #150 posted 09/10/19 4:08am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.apnews.com/b8...b9245d6637

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NEW YORK (AP) — Susan Kamil, a revered editor and publisher who found critical and commercial success with authors ranging from Salman Rushdie and Ta-Nehisi Coates to Elizabeth Strout and Sophie Kinsella, has died at age 69.

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Random House Publishing Group President Gina Centrello announced that Kamil died Sunday, eight days before her 70th birthday, from complications relating to lung cancer. Kamil, who joined the industry more than 40 years ago, was most recently executive vice president and publisher of Random House and imprints such as Dial Press and One World.

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[...]

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Some of the fall’s most prominent books were completed under Kamil’s leadership, among them Rushdie’s Booker Prize-nominated novel “Quichotte”; Coates’ debut novel, “The Water Dancer”; Prince’s posthumous memoir, “The Beautiful Ones”; and Strout’s “Olive, Again.”

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© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #151 posted 09/10/19 5:35am

violetcrush

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.apnews.com/b8b2bccd9de741da9e805cb9245d6637


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NEW YORK (AP) — Susan Kamil, a revered editor and publisher who found critical and commercial success with authors ranging from Salman Rushdie and Ta-Nehisi Coates to Elizabeth Strout and Sophie Kinsella, has died at age 69.


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Random House Publishing Group President Gina Centrello announced that Kamil died Sunday, eight days before her 70th birthday, from complications relating to lung cancer. Kamil, who joined the industry more than 40 years ago, was most recently executive vice president and publisher of Random House and imprints such as Dial Press and One World.


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[...]


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Some of the fall’s most prominent books were completed under Kamil’s leadership, among them Rushdie’s Booker Prize-nominated novel “Quichotte”; Coates’ debut novel, “The Water Dancer”; Prince’s posthumous memoir, “The Beautiful Ones”; and Strout’s “Olive, Again.”



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Sad news sad
Reply #152 posted 09/10/19 6:06pm

mnfriend

I just wanted to add (because I did not know until today)

That the book is ‘authorized’ so to speak, which I like.
It had been awhile since I had been to Prince Official Store, looks good-

https://store.prince.com/dept/books?cp=103229_105206
Reply #153 posted 09/11/19 3:54am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.abc.net.au/ra...d/11499424

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What’s hot at the library this week? Librarian and comedian Monica Dullard shares her tips with Jacinta Parsons and Sami Shah on Breakfast.

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[...]

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The Beautiful Ones by Prince: From Prince himself comes the brilliant coming-of-age-and-into-superstardom story of one of the greatest artists of all time featuring never-before-seen photos, original scrapbooks and lyric sheets, and the exquisite memoir he began writing before his tragic death.

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Click the link to listen to the program.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #154 posted 09/11/19 5:07am

violetcrush

BartVanHemelen said:

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/breakfast/monica-dullard/11499424


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What’s hot at the library this week? Librarian and comedian Monica Dullard shares her tips with Jacinta Parsons and Sami Shah on Breakfast.


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[...]


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The Beautiful Ones by Prince: From Prince himself comes the brilliant coming-of-age-and-into-superstardom story of one of the greatest artists of all time featuring never-before-seen photos, original scrapbooks and lyric sheets, and the exquisite memoir he began writing before his tragic death.



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Click the link to listen to the program.


Thanks Bart. Always good links from you.
Reply #155 posted 09/11/19 8:37pm

icecreamcastle777

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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Violetcrush said: "Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you. We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time."

.

You really said that shit with a straight face??? That has to be the dumbest interpertation I ever heard, considering Prince never even told Susannah that the song was about her... (He did say he told Vanity though...) You got a whole lot to say, yet Prince was STILL pointing to Vanity as the inspiration behind the song at his 2016 P&M show as it shows in this article. That my dear is the point that's being made.

[Edited 9/9/19 23:10pm]

You are quite ridiculous as well. Vanity had just passed away. PRINCE WAS EULOGIZING HER AND HONORING HER LIFE. What do you think he would have done if he had found out Susannah had passed that day?? You think he would have just ignored it, and said nothing about what she meant to him?? Nope, don’t think so. In fact, I bet he would have been forthright about her connection to the rest of he song. * AGAIN, Prince specifically stated how and where Vanity was connected to TBO in that ridiculous Ebony interview that you are constantly clinging to. * Prince made the new statement about the inspiration for the REST of the song ALMOST A MONTH BEFORE VANITY PASSED. He was clearly stating he wrote the song to “get” a girl that night. I’m glad he opened up that way too. He didn’t have to specifically name anyone. It was obvious what he meant, because the fans that were there already knew the long held backstory.

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Please stop coming at me with that foolishness about "copping girls." Can't you see that it's a crack-pot analogy to use as an argument that the song is about Susannah?? First off, it's a dumb ass interpretation because you can't read Prince's mind to know that he was thinking about Susannah when he said that... Second, he didn't "cop" Susannah with the song coz the man never told her that the song was about her! So he couldn't have been saying that for her! Don't you understand that??? lol If anything, it was Vanity he was trying to cop with the song after she'd left him since he told her about it. Did ya see the quote where Prince said she knew about the song in The New Yorker article?
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Why are you talking about he only shared "ONE LYRIC" about Vanity. What did you think Prince was gonna do? Spell out the whole damn song in an interview line for line? Did you forget, the man said the song wasn't about Susannah from the start of the interview and then tried to show how obvious it was that the song was related to Vanity by pointing out that lyric?? That's why he said, "IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS" Why do you think he said that? BECAUSE VANITY HAD JUST LEFT HIM and the song was obviously about that loss.... "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose." Plus, Susannah knows the song ain't about her from what she's saying in this interview from Rolling Stone, she was obviously talking about Prince saying the song was for Vanity. Vanity was the only one that he called by name in connection to any song. Who else could she have been talking about? I don't know why you can't jump off this train girl.
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Rolling Stone Magazine 2019 https://www.rollingstone....ew-842940/

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"In the year or so leading up to his passing, Prince seemed nostalgic. When Vanity died in February 2016, he eulogized her at one of his Piano & a Microphone concerts, explaining that she had inspired Purple Rain’s “The Beautiful Ones.” It was unusual, but it showed how he was starting to come full circle with some of the recordings he’d made nearly 40 years ago."

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“I remember him saying, ‘I’m not a reminiscent kind of guy. I don’t talk of the past, and I don’t reflect,'” Melvoin says. “But I knew him well and I felt he was incredibly self-reflective. Towards the end, he was communicating with the audience more, telling stories about his past and connecting the dots. He was letting people know why he wrote certain song and who they were about. He was becoming more and more self-reflective, and that could’ve been based on the physical pain he was in. It’s when you’re in so much fucking pain that you’re like, ‘I don’t know how much more of this I can take,’ and you start thinking about mortality and life. He probably had a lot of that going on.

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Reply #156 posted 09/12/19 5:32am

violetcrush

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Violetcrush said: "Then, at his January 21st 2016 P&M show, just before playing The Beautiful Ones he clearly and slowly said to the audience, "sometimes singers have the courage to tell you...and if they are male, don't let them lie to you.  We ALL write songs to "cop" girls." That new and surprising statement from him completely aligns with what has always been written about this song - that Prince was trying to get Susannah to choose between him and her boyfriend at that time." 


 


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You really said that shit with a straight face??? That has to be the dumbest interpertation I ever heard, considering Prince never even told Susannah that the song was about her...  (He did say he told Vanity though...) You got a whole lot to say, yet Prince was STILL pointing to Vanity as the inspiration behind the song at his 2016 P&M show as it shows in this article. That my dear is the point that's being made.





 


 


 


 


 


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You are quite ridiculous as well. Vanity had just passed away. PRINCE WAS EULOGIZING HER AND HONORING HER LIFE. What do you think he would have done if he had found out Susannah had passed that day?? You think he would have just ignored it, and said nothing about what she meant to him?? Nope, don’t think so. In fact, I bet he would have been forthright about her connection to the rest of he song. * AGAIN, Prince specifically stated how and where Vanity was connected to TBO in that ridiculous Ebony interview that you are constantly clinging to. * Prince made the new statement about the inspiration for the REST of the song ALMOST A MONTH BEFORE VANITY PASSED. He was clearly stating he wrote the song to “get” a girl that night. I’m glad he opened up that way too. He didn’t have to specifically name anyone. It was obvious what he meant, because the fans that were there already knew the long held backstory.

 


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Please stop coming at me with that foolishness about "copping girls." Can't you see that it's a crack-pot analogy to use as an argument that the song is about Susannah?? First off, it's a dumb ass interpretation because you can't read Prince's mind to know that he was thinking about Susannah when he said that... Second, he didn't "cop" Susannah with the song coz the man never told her that the song was about her! So he couldn't have been saying that for her! Don't you understand that??? lol If anything, it was Vanity he was trying to cop with the song after she'd left him since he told her about it. Did ya see the quote where Prince said she knew about the song in The New Yorker article?  

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Why are you talking about he only shared "ONE LYRIC" about Vanity. What did you think Prince was gonna do? Spell out the whole damn song in an interview line for line?  Did you forget, the man said the song wasn't about Susannah from the start of the interview and then tried to show how obvious it was that the song was related to Vanity by pointing out that lyric?? That's why he said, "IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS" Why do you think he said that? BECAUSE VANITY HAD JUST LEFT HIM and the song was obviously about that loss.... "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose."  Plus, Susannah knows the song ain't about her from what she's saying in this interview from Rolling Stone, she was obviously talking about Prince saying the song was for Vanity. Vanity was the only one that he called by name in connection to any song. Who else could she have been talking about? I don't know why you can't jump off this train girl. 

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Rolling Stone Magazine 2019 https://www.rollingstone....ew-842940/


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"In the year or so leading up to his passing, Prince seemed nostalgic. When Vanity died in February 2016, he eulogized her at one of his Piano & a Microphone concerts, explaining that she had inspired Purple Rain’s “The Beautiful Ones.” It was unusual, but it showed how he was starting to come full circle with some of the recordings he’d made nearly 40 years ago."


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“I remember him saying, ‘I’m not a reminiscent kind of guy. I don’t talk of the past, and I don’t reflect,'” Melvoin says. “But I knew him well and I felt he was incredibly self-reflective. Towards the end, he was communicating with the audience more, telling stories about his past and connecting the dots. He was letting people know why he wrote certain song and who they were about. He was becoming more and more self-reflective, and that could’ve been based on the physical pain he was in. It’s when you’re in so much fucking pain that you’re like, ‘I don’t know how much more of this I can take,’ and you start thinking about mortality and life. He probably had a lot of that going on.



 

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AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN... what I have been saying ALL ALONG is that there was clearly more than one inspiration for that song. Prince clearly specified how he connected Vanity to the specific lyrics in the song. Later in the interview he then gave TWO completely opposing explanations to the REST OF THE LYRICS when asked specifically about Susannah.
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Yes, you continue to post Susannah’s comments about how Prince was reflecting during his P&M shows, and he was - ESPECIALLY the first show at PP, where he spoke about his Father, his inner thoughts about learning to play music, thoughts about fighting in relationships, comments about David Bowie, appreciation for Wendy and Lisa and a sweet story about Lisa, AND his very specific remarks before playing TBO.
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Not sure how else you would interpret his statement that night. It’s pretty cut and dry. He was stating he wrote the song to “get” a girl. Look back on all the Biographies to find the associates’ comments about the song. Prince DID NOT like anyone taking about his personal life, and he would deny things all the time. Lisa Coleman stated he called her after an interview she did and said “can’t you just err on the side of mystery?” He did not want the public knowing the backstory of his life or songs unless HE was telling it. The Revolution band members and everyone in the camp during PR were VERY open and candid about their time with Prince both on a personal and professional level in Alan Light’s book. They were finally speaking out in detail. I have no doubt he was not pleased about it.
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Sorry, but there really is no other way to interpret his statement about TBO at the first P&M show. He was clearly finally acknowledging the long-held backstory of the song, which was huge thing for him.
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Reply #169 posted 09/14/19 12:14pm

icecreamcastle777

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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Please stop coming at me with that foolishness about "copping girls." Can't you see that it's a crack-pot analogy to use as an argument that the song is about Susannah?? First off, it's a dumb ass interpretation because you can't read Prince's mind to know that he was thinking about Susannah when he said that... Second, he didn't "cop" Susannah with the song coz the man never told her that the song was about her! So he couldn't have been saying that for her! Don't you understand that??? lol If anything, it was Vanity he was trying to cop with the song after she'd left him since he told her about it. Did ya see the quote where Prince said she knew about the song in The New Yorker article?
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Why are you talking about he only shared "ONE LYRIC" about Vanity. What did you think Prince was gonna do? Spell out the whole damn song in an interview line for line? Did you forget, the man said the song wasn't about Susannah from the start of the interview and then tried to show how obvious it was that the song was related to Vanity by pointing out that lyric?? That's why he said, "IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS" Why do you think he said that? BECAUSE VANITY HAD JUST LEFT HIM and the song was obviously about that loss.... "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose." Plus, Susannah knows the song ain't about her from what she's saying in this interview from Rolling Stone, she was obviously talking about Prince saying the song was for Vanity. Vanity was the only one that he called by name in connection to any song. Who else could she have been talking about? I don't know why you can't jump off this train girl.
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Rolling Stone Magazine 2019 https://www.rollingstone....ew-842940/

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"In the year or so leading up to his passing, Prince seemed nostalgic. When Vanity died in February 2016, he eulogized her at one of his Piano & a Microphone concerts, explaining that she had inspired Purple Rain’s “The Beautiful Ones.” It was unusual, but it showed how he was starting to come full circle with some of the recordings he’d made nearly 40 years ago."

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“I remember him saying, ‘I’m not a reminiscent kind of guy. I don’t talk of the past, and I don’t reflect,'” Melvoin says. “But I knew him well and I felt he was incredibly self-reflective. Towards the end, he was communicating with the audience more, telling stories about his past and connecting the dots. He was letting people know why he wrote certain song and who they were about. He was becoming more and more self-reflective, and that could’ve been based on the physical pain he was in. It’s when you’re in so much fucking pain that you’re like, ‘I don’t know how much more of this I can take,’ and you start thinking about mortality and life. He probably had a lot of that going on.

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AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN... what I have been saying ALL ALONG is that there was clearly more than one inspiration for that song. Prince clearly specified how he connected Vanity to the specific lyrics in the song. Later in the interview he then gave TWO completely opposing explanations to the REST OF THE LYRICS when asked specifically about Susannah. * Yes, you continue to post Susannah’s comments about how Prince was reflecting during his P&M shows, and he was - ESPECIALLY the first show at PP, where he spoke about his Father, his inner thoughts about learning to play music, thoughts about fighting in relationships, comments about David Bowie, appreciation for Wendy and Lisa and a sweet story about Lisa, AND his very specific remarks before playing TBO. * Not sure how else you would interpret his statement that night. It’s pretty cut and dry. He was stating he wrote the song to “get” a girl. Look back on all the Biographies to find the associates’ comments about the song. Prince DID NOT like anyone taking about his personal life, and he would deny things all the time. Lisa Coleman stated he called her after an interview she did and said “can’t you just err on the side of mystery?” He did not want the public knowing the backstory of his life or songs unless HE was telling it. The Revolution band members and everyone in the camp during PR were VERY open and candid about their time with Prince both on a personal and professional level in Alan Light’s book. They were finally speaking out in detail. I have no doubt he was not pleased about it. * Sorry, but there really is no other way to interpret his statement about TBO at the first P&M show. He was clearly finally acknowledging the long-held backstory of the song, which was huge thing for him.

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How you're explaining Prince's second comment when asked about Susannah specifically in the interview is a complete embellishment. No where did Prince allude to an explanation for "the rest of the lyrics" or was he evading that Susannah inspired "the rest of the lyrics" in what he said. How is he evading if he'd ALREADY explained that the song wasn't about Susannah and named Vanity and that one scene in the movie as the inspiration from the get go? He'd already told the man. The interviewer guy in Ebony kept senselessly pressing him, saying people said the song was about Susannah, and inconsiderately called her by name after Prince had ALREADY told him it was about Vanity and the scene. Prince then delicately tried to explain it wasn't about Susannah yet again - gracefully saying it wasn't about anything carnal, but spiritual. He'd already told the man in detail about the meaning of the lyrics of the song from the jump. How many times did he have to explain it? Even after that Ebony interview was long gone, as you can tell from the intro of this book, Prince never let up or back down from saying Vanity was the inspiration of that song.
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How can u say that Prince saying, "We ALL write songs to "cop" girls" is cut and dry and it's Prince clearly and finally acknowledging that the song was about Susannah??? falloff I can't believe you're shamelessly trying to run with that one. That's cut and dry and clearly acknowledging that the song was about Susannah??? Girl, that's not Prince acknowledging shit. That's just desperation and embellishment on your part because Prince STAYED explaining that the song was about Vanity and people are finally realizing all those associate's who was trying to read Prince's mind like they were God back then were dead ass wrong. That was bound to happen. After all, it wasn't Prince who was saying the song was about Susannah. It was only all of the associate's and friends surrounding her and Wendy at the time. Prince never told Susannah or ANY of them that TBO was about her, and since nobody could read his damn mind to know who the hell he was singing about.... This happened...
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Look at the big picture here...
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So, first Prince mentioned Vanity in the 2015 Ebony article pointing out ONE OF the lyrics she inspired, "The beautiful ones you always seems to lose...." Then he alluded to writing and using the song to cop a girl a few months later in Jan 2016... and then a months after that on Feb 15, 2016, Surprise! He tells us that The Beautiful Ones was ONE OF the songs Vanity knew was about her... Now that seems more of a cut and dry as to who he was truly trying to "cop" with that song.
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I know you always have to get that last word in, and I ain't planning to do this all day, so have at it. Peace

Reply #170 posted 09/14/19 1:02pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said: AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN... what I have been saying ALL ALONG is that there was clearly more than one inspiration for that song. Prince clearly specified how he connected Vanity to the specific lyrics in the song. Later in the interview he then gave TWO completely opposing explanations to the REST OF THE LYRICS when asked specifically about Susannah. * Yes, you continue to post Susannah’s comments about how Prince was reflecting during his P&M shows, and he was - ESPECIALLY the first show at PP, where he spoke about his Father, his inner thoughts about learning to play music, thoughts about fighting in relationships, comments about David Bowie, appreciation for Wendy and Lisa and a sweet story about Lisa, AND his very specific remarks before playing TBO. * Not sure how else you would interpret his statement that night. It’s pretty cut and dry. He was stating he wrote the song to “get” a girl. Look back on all the Biographies to find the associates’ comments about the song. Prince DID NOT like anyone taking about his personal life, and he would deny things all the time. Lisa Coleman stated he called her after an interview she did and said “can’t you just err on the side of mystery?” He did not want the public knowing the backstory of his life or songs unless HE was telling it. The Revolution band members and everyone in the camp during PR were VERY open and candid about their time with Prince both on a personal and professional level in Alan Light’s book. They were finally speaking out in detail. I have no doubt he was not pleased about it. * Sorry, but there really is no other way to interpret his statement about TBO at the first P&M show. He was clearly finally acknowledging the long-held backstory of the song, which was huge thing for him.

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How you're explaining Prince's second comment when asked about Susannah specifically in the interview is a complete embellishment. No where did Prince allude to an explanation for "the rest of the lyrics" or was he evading that Susannah inspired "the rest of the lyrics" in what he said. How is he evading if he'd ALREADY explained that the song wasn't about Susannah and named Vanity and that one scene in the movie as the inspiration from the get go? He'd already told the man. The interviewer guy in Ebony kept senselessly pressing him, saying people said the song was about Susannah, and inconsiderately called her by name after Prince had ALREADY told him it was about Vanity and the scene. Prince then delicately tried to explain it wasn't about Susannah yet again - gracefully saying it wasn't about anything carnal, but spiritual. He'd already told the man in detail about the meaning of the lyrics of the song from the jump. How many times did he have to explain it? Even after that Ebony interview was long gone, as you can tell from the intro of this book, Prince never let up or back down from saying Vanity was the inspiration of that song.
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How can u say that Prince saying, "We ALL write songs to "cop" girls" is cut and dry and it's Prince clearly and finally acknowledging that the song was about Susannah??? falloff I can't believe you're shamelessly trying to run with that one. That's cut and dry and clearly acknowledging that the song was about Susannah??? Girl, that's not Prince acknowledging shit. That's just desperation and embellishment on your part because Prince STAYED explaining that the song was about Vanity and people are finally realizing all those associate's who was trying to read Prince's mind like they were God back then were dead ass wrong. That was bound to happen. After all, it wasn't Prince who was saying the song was about Susannah. It was only all of the associate's and friends surrounding her and Wendy at the time. Prince never told Susannah or ANY of them that TBO was about her, and since nobody could read his damn mind to know who the hell he was singing about.... This happened...
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Look at the big picture here...
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So, first Prince mentioned Vanity in the 2015 Ebony article pointing out ONE OF the lyrics she inspired, "The beautiful ones you always seems to lose...." Then he alluded to writing and using the song to cop a girl a few months later in Jan 2016... and then a months after that on Feb 15, 2016, Surprise! He tells us that The Beautiful Ones was ONE OF the songs Vanity knew was about her... Now that seems more of a cut and dry as to who he was truly trying to "cop" with that song.
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I know you always have to get that last word in, and I ain't planning to do this all day, so have at it. Peace

Oh my God, we just CANNOT get off of this hamster wheel, can we??!! And you say that I'M the one that has to get the last word in?? I thought we had exhausted this debate several posts up, but here were are again lol so.....

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icecreamcastle777 said: How is he evading if he'd ALREADY explained that the song wasn't about Susannah and named Vanity and that one scene in the movie as the inspiration from the get go? He'd already told the man.

violetcrush response: Nope, he actually had not explained much of anything about the song during his first comments. This is what he said EXACTLY: "If they look at it, it’s very obvious. “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris [Day] would be sitting with [Apollonia], and there’d be this back and forth. And also, “The beautiful ones you always seem to lose,” Vanity had just quit the movie."

He was first connecting the "do you want him or do you want me" lyrics (aka, the rest of the song) to only the scene in the film. Then, he SPECIFICALLY connected Vanity with "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose" lyric, BECAUSE SHE HAD JUST QUIT THE MOVIE - to quote Prince's exact words.

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THEN, SEVERAL QUESTIONS DOWN, the reporter says, "I've read The Beautiful Ones was based on Susannah Melvoin." Prince's response: "Any ballad like that, you know it’s not going to be about anything, uh, what’s the word? Carnal. It’s not gonna even be based in flesh. Regardless of what I’m singing about, it’s all spiritual. This is a channel. I’m trying to do “Somewhere over the Rainbow.” It’s not about somebody human that I’m looking at right now." So, first Prince states that he wrote the rest of the song for the characters in the film. He then states he was not writing about anything "carnal", or based in flesh - that it was all spiritual. Okay, sure. Have you ever heard about the way people respond when they do not want to reveal a truth? They ramble, and they also give multiple responses that often do not connect.

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icecreamcastles777 said: How can u say that Prince saying, "We ALL write songs to "cop" girls" is cut and dry and it's Prince clearly and finally acknowledging that the song was about Susannah??? Girl, that's not Prince acknowledging shit. That's just desperation and embellishment on your part because Prince STAYED explaining that the song was about Vanity

violetcrush response: Actually, what Prince said two seconds before he began the first chords to TBO was EXACTLY this: "SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS." BAM!! Sorry, but for Prince, that is a HUGE acknowledgment of the connection to the rest of that song. YOU just refuse to acknowledge that moment and his statement, because you want to believe the entire song was about Vanity. Please show me proof of Prince stating that ALL of the song lyrics connect to Vanity. I'll save you the trouble - you can't, because his statements in that interview first tied the rest of the lyrics to the characters in the film, and then when asked again, to a spiritual thing. That is, until January 21st, 2016 - which is when he spoke the words bolded above. AGAIN, this show was almost one month prior to Vanity's passing, which was completely unexpected by Prince and everyone else. Prince mentioned nothing about the portion connected to Vanity, because he had already spoken about it.

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You can deny all you want that what Prince stated at the P&M show meant something, but it was in fact HUGE with regard to what he normally did during his shows. He would NEVER have revealed anything like that to his audience. It was personal, and he was definitely connecting what had been previously written to the song. ALL of his statements that night were personal, and directly connected with events and people in his life.

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Look, we can keep going around and around on this, but I would say that we should just agree to disagree on what or who inspired the lyrics to the rest of the song. I have stated over and over that there is no doubt that Vanity is connected to the lyrics to which Prince specified, and I'm sure also to the lyrics about "smashing the picture". However, the rest of the song does not connect to their situation at that time.

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Reply #171 posted 09/14/19 6:14pm

icecreamcastle777

Violetcrush response: Actually, what Prince said two seconds before he began the first chords to TBO was EXACTLY this: "SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS." BAM!!

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What are u BAMMING about? What did you show me from...."SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS... You forgot to post the part where Prince said that the comment alludes to The Beautuful Ones being about Susannah.... I don't see that part... lol

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And You left out the part of Prince's comment in The Ebony interview where Prince literally said The beautiful ones WASN'T ABOUT SUSANNAH. You know, that first comment? So tell me, how is "the rest of the song" about Susannah when Prince said the song didn't have ANYTHING to do with her. Period.
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So, to you, Prince was only singing about Vanity being a character in the movie? How ridiculous does that sound to u? I mean, it's not like they were LOVERS or anything like that and Vanity had just left him for good, right? Naw. leaving his life for good didn't have anything to do with the lyrics "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose..." Or the lyrics that says "the beautiful ones they hurt you every time" or pretty much every other lyric apart from the one that he said was for the scene. That was just due to her being a character in the movie... Riiight. lol
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How did we get into this debate again? Oh right. Prince was STILL confirming a second time apart from that Ebony interview that the song was about Vanity yet again. No need for him to be telling any lies at that point either...

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Reply #172 posted 09/14/19 6:55pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

Violetcrush response: Actually, what Prince said two seconds before he began the first chords to TBO was EXACTLY this: "SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS." BAM!!

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What are u BAMMING about? What did you show me from...."SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS... You forgot to post the part where Prince said that the comment alludes to The Beautuful Ones being about Susannah.... I don't see that part... lol

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*violetcrush response: We don't need Susannah's name in his statement, because since the first Biography was published IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN STATED THAT HE WROTE THAT SONG TO GET SUSANNAH. Oh my God, how hard is that to grasp?? Seriously.

And You left out the part of Prince's comment in The Ebony interview where Prince literally said The beautiful ones WASN'T ABOUT SUSANNAH. You know, that first comment? So tell me, how is "the rest of the song" about Susannah when Prince said the song didn't have ANYTHING to do with her. Period.
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*violetcrush response: Actually, you'll need to post Prince's statement where he literally said TBO "wasn't about Susannah", because I don't recall her name at all in his responses to the reporter. He never stated her name, period.
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So, to you, Prince was only singing about Vanity being a character in the movie? How ridiculous does that sound to u? I mean, it's not like they were LOVERS or anything like that and Vanity had just left him for good, right? Naw. leaving his life for good didn't have anything to do with the lyrics "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose..." Or the lyrics that says "the beautiful ones they hurt you every time" or pretty much every other lyric apart from the one that he said was for the scene. That was just due to her being a character in the movie... Riiight. lol
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*violetcrush response: what are you talking about?? I NEVER stated Prince was singing about Vanity being a character in the movie at all. Vanity was NO LONGER even participating in the movie when the song was recorded, WHICH IS WHY CERTAIN SPECIFIC LYRICS ARE CONNECTED TO HER AND THE REST OF THE SONG IS NOT. Prince himself stated in the Ebony interview that the "do you want him or do you want me" lyrics were for the characters in the film, which would have been him and Apollonia. THEN he stated those lyrics were connected to something spiritual and not anyone specific. Not really sure why this is so hard to grasp.
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Baby, baby, baby
What's it gonna be
Baby, baby, baby
Is it him or is it me?
Don't make me waste my time
Don't make me lose my mind baby
Baby, baby, baby
Can't you stay with me tonight
Oh baby, baby, baby
Don't my kisses please you right
You were so hard to find
The beautiful ones, they hurt you every time (about Vanity and any other girl who has hurt him)
Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby
What's it gonna be baby?
Do you want him?
Or do you want me?
Cause I want you
Said I want you
Tell me, babe
Do you want me?
I gotta know, I gotta know
Do you want me?
Baby, baby, baby
Listen to me
I may not know where I'm going (babe)
I said I may not know what I need
One thing, one thing's for certain baby
I know what I want, yeah
And if it please you baby
Please you, baby
I'm begging down on my knees
I want you
Yes I do
Baby, baby, baby, baby
I want you
Yes I do
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MOST of the song is Prince screaming for the girl to choose him over the other guy she's with. How would that apply to Vanity?? Does he sing about Vanit leaving the film? Yep. Does he sing about her "smashing the picture"? Yep. Does he sing about "the beautfiul ones you always seem to lose"? Yep. But the REST of the song is him lamenting over not being able to have the girl that he wants and him begging her to choose him over her current boyfriend.
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How did we get into this debate again? Oh right. Prince was STILL confirming a second time apart from that Ebony interview that the song was about Vanity yet again. No need for him to be telling any lies at that point either...

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violetcrush response: So, you think Prince's statement at his P&M show was confirming the entire song was about Vanity?? Yeah, Nah. Don't think so. Not sure how you would even put that together. He didn't have to "get" Vanity from another guy. He had her for a year and a half, and then she left.

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Reply #173 posted 09/14/19 8:12pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame


Someone has turned P's memoir into another Susannah thread and I get snipped???


eek eek

Reply #174 posted 09/14/19 9:20pm

icecreamcastle777

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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What are u BAMMING about? What did you show me from...."SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS... You forgot to post the part where Prince said that the comment alludes to The Beautuful Ones being about Susannah.... I don't see that part... lol

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*violetcrush response: We don't need Susannah's name in his statement, because since the first Biography was published IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN STATED THAT HE WROTE THAT SONG TO GET SUSANNAH. Oh my God, how hard is that to grasp?? Seriously.

And You left out the part of Prince's comment in The Ebony interview where Prince literally said The beautiful ones WASN'T ABOUT SUSANNAH. You know, that first comment? So tell me, how is "the rest of the song" about Susannah when Prince said the song didn't have ANYTHING to do with her. Period.
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*violetcrush response: Actually, you'll need to post Prince's statement where he literally said TBO "wasn't about Susannah", because I don't recall her name at all in his responses to the reporter. He never stated her name, period.
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So, to you, Prince was only singing about Vanity being a character in the movie? How ridiculous does that sound to u? I mean, it's not like they were LOVERS or anything like that and Vanity had just left him for good, right? Naw. leaving his life for good didn't have anything to do with the lyrics "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose..." Or the lyrics that says "the beautiful ones they hurt you every time" or pretty much every other lyric apart from the one that he said was for the scene. That was just due to her being a character in the movie... Riiight. lol
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*violetcrush response: what are you talking about?? I NEVER stated Prince was singing about Vanity being a character in the movie at all. Vanity was NO LONGER even participating in the movie when the song was recorded, WHICH IS WHY CERTAIN SPECIFIC LYRICS ARE CONNECTED TO HER AND THE REST OF THE SONG IS NOT. Prince himself stated in the Ebony interview that the "do you want him or do you want me" lyrics were for the characters in the film, which would have been him and Apollonia. THEN he stated those lyrics were connected to something spiritual and not anyone specific. Not really sure why this is so hard to grasp.
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THIS part of the song is NOT about Vanity:
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Baby, baby, baby
What's it gonna be
Baby, baby, baby
Is it him or is it me?
Don't make me waste my time
Don't make me lose my mind baby
Baby, baby, baby
Can't you stay with me tonight
Oh baby, baby, baby
Don't my kisses please you right
You were so hard to find
The beautiful ones, they hurt you every time (about Vanity and any other girl who has hurt him)
Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby, baby
Baby
What's it gonna be baby?
Do you want him?
Or do you want me?
Cause I want you
Said I want you
Tell me, babe
Do you want me?
I gotta know, I gotta know
Do you want me?
Baby, baby, baby
Listen to me
I may not know where I'm going (babe)
I said I may not know what I need
One thing, one thing's for certain baby
I know what I want, yeah
And if it please you baby
Please you, baby
I'm begging down on my knees
I want you
Yes I do
Baby, baby, baby, baby
I want you
Yes I do
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MOST of the song is Prince screaming for the girl to choose him over the other guy she's with. How would that apply to Vanity?? Does he sing about Vanit leaving the film? Yep. Does he sing about her "smashing the picture"? Yep. Does he sing about "the beautfiul ones you always seem to lose"? Yep. But the REST of the song is him lamenting over not being able to have the girl that he wants and him begging her to choose him over her current boyfriend.
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How did we get into this debate again? Oh right. Prince was STILL confirming a second time apart from that Ebony interview that the song was about Vanity yet again. No need for him to be telling any lies at that point either...

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violetcrush response: So, you think Prince's statement at his P&M show was confirming the entire song was about Vanity?? Yeah, Nah. Don't think so. Not sure how you would even put that together. He didn't have to "get" Vanity from another guy. He had her for a year and a half, and then she left.

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It's a no brainier if you're a hard core Prince fan that he was talking about Susannah when he said that people were completly wrong as to who he was singing about. Your gonna claim it wasn't Susannah he was talking about now??? I'm not even gonna entertain posting the comment. Everyone knows it was Susannah because she's the only one that all the associates were saying the song was about, and all the books jumped on board using the associates "psychoanalysis" to tell their story.

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The only lyrics in what u posted that isn't about Vanity is the ones that alludes to the scene with Apples and Morris where Prince is singing to Apples to want him over Morris. I don't get why you don't understand that. The song is about Vanity and the scene in the movie as Prince alluded to. He said it wasn't about Susannah.

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I can only continue to laugh at your anology that Prince was finally finally addmiting to the song being about Susannah when he said.... "SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS... I see you're dead ass serious about using the statemnet as some kind of proof that the song was about Susannah. By all means... keep trying.

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Reply #175 posted 09/15/19 8:15am

violetcrush

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Someone has turned P's memoir into another Susannah thread and I get snipped???


eek eek

There are TWO participants in the "debate" here, and one started the discussion.

Reply #176 posted 09/15/19 8:45am

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

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It's a no brainier if you're a hard core Prince fan that he was talking about Susannah when he said that people were completly wrong as to who he was singing about. Your gonna claim it wasn't Susannah he was talking about now??? I'm not even gonna entertain posting the comment. Everyone knows it was Susannah because she's the only one that all the associates were saying the song was about, and all the books jumped on board using the associates "psychoanalysis" to tell their story.

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The only lyrics in what u posted that isn't about Vanity is the ones that alludes to the scene with Apples and Morris where Prince is singing to Apples to want him over Morris. I don't get why you don't understand that. The song is about Vanity and the scene in the movie as Prince alluded to. He said it wasn't about Susannah.

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I can only continue to laugh at your anology that Prince was finally finally addmiting to the song being about Susannah when he said.... "SOME SINGERS HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL YOU...AND IF THEY ARE MALE, DON'T LET THEM LIE TO YOU. WE ALL WRITE SONGS TO "COP" GIRLS... I see you're dead ass serious about using the statemnet as some kind of proof that the song was about Susannah. By all means... keep trying.

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So, let's just analyze what you posted above. You said, "It's a no brainer if you're a hard core Prince fan that he was talking about Susannah when he said that people were completely wrong as to who he was singnig about." However, when I said the same thing about his comment (bolded above) at the first P&M show you come back with "no way he was talking about Susannah, because he didn't say her name"??!!

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So, he's only talking about Susannah when YOU declare that he is?? You see the hypocricy in that, right?? To use your exact line of thinking - all the hardcore fans KNOW the story all along about TBO was that Prince wrote the song to "get" Susannah away from her boyfriend - and it worked, because she moved to MN to join the camp that Fall when they began shooting the film. She stated the relationship started heavy at that time. So, he did not have to state her name at the P&M concert.

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AGAIN, not sure why this is SO hard for you to accept??. Prince DID NOT want people talking about his personal life and relationships, period. Everyone knows and agrees that the lyrics "the beautiful ones you always seem to lose", "the beautful ones always smash the picture" are about Vanity leaving and quitting the film. THE REST OF THE SONG IS PRINCE BEGGING THE GIRL TO CHOOSE HIM OVER ANOTHER GUY - and yes, Prince stated he wrote those lyrics specifically for the characters in the film, HOWEVER, a few questions down he then stated he wrote the lyrics from a "spiritual" perspective and they were not tied to anything human. He was changing his answer as soon as he was asked directly about Susannah. THEN, a few months later he held his first P&M concert at PP, and opened up to the audience like he had NEVER done before. He was talkiing about his life and playing his songs in a chronological order from 3 yrs old through Purple Rain time frame. The statement he made before playing TBO was clear and concise, and it connected to the long-held story about the song.

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Susannah has stated Prince was pursuing her for almost a year before he wrote the song in Sept 1983 - from the time they met in late 1982 until she finally moved to MN Fall 1983. He was staying at her house, sending her flowers everyday, bringing her to the studio with him, and telling her he could not stop thinking about her. I would say it is VERY feasible that he would have been frustrated and confused about his relationship with her. Seems she was playing a little "hard to get", which was pretty smart on her part.

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Anyway....I'm done, because the next post will just be more of the "no way he was talking about Susannah during that P&M show" blah blah blah.

Reply #177 posted 09/15/19 9:03am

PennyPurple

Can't we please, please just talk about the book, and what a wonderful thing this will be?

Reply #178 posted 09/15/19 12:28pm

mnfriend

Okay, in relation to ‘duality’ Prince seemed to be pondering upon in the excerpt from the forthcoming book;

I recently wrote somewhere (think this thread) alluding to, I thought perhaps, ‘someone’ was ‘cleaning up’ Prince past artistries (such as swearing, I was totally guessing no receipt more a wonder aloud in print) and I ran across this today and watched it in all it’s splendor glory:

Prince & The New Power Generation - Sexy M. F. (Official Music Video)

I won’t post the direct link, it is Sunday, and there is your duality.
Reply #179 posted 09/15/19 2:58pm

Hamad

Loved the discussions about the book in Michael Dean's Podcast Juice show, I'm looking forward to hear more podcasts talk about this release and what they think.

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...
Reply #180 posted 09/15/19 7:16pm

Lovejunky

Really looking forward to the release...

Ive never been a fan of the cover art though...

I wish they had of gone with Princes suggestion

the title just fits so well with this pic...

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“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #181 posted 09/16/19 8:25am

barnswallow

That is beautiful. Thanks. I didn't know Prince had chosen this. His face. And, btw, the intricately embellished jacket. The moon phases shirt. Is he wearing a necklace of some sort? I wanted to enlarge the picture but due to issues with my puter, can't risk doing that.

I like the photo that will be on the jacket/cover, too. Both pics bookmark his career, so it feels like both would be good choices. Expectant and young vs. refined and realized. Maybe this could appear on the back?!

Reply #182 posted 09/16/19 11:13am

minnesoundlvr

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Someone has turned P's memoir into another Susannah thread and I get snipped???


eek eek

falloff

Reply #183 posted 09/16/19 12:14pm

poppys

Some random things I found interesting in the article:

Prince driving Piepenbring back to his hotel. How many "celebs" would do that?

Talking about his parents, saying his dad was his best friend. Saying he was thinking of writing about his mom and her role in his life.

Miles Davis believed in only two categories of thinking...

URL: https://prince.org/msg/7/460586/Prince-s-Upcoming-Memoir-The-Beautiful-Ones-To-be-released-on-29-October

Date printed: Mon 16th Sep 2019 1:12pm PDT