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Reply #30 posted 07/09/19 8:55am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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feeluupp said:

... and yet originals hasn't surpassed 30,000 in the U.S. in 2 weeks, and will be off the top 50 by the 3rd week.

It dropped to 140 on Billboard.

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Reply #31 posted 07/09/19 9:11am

camilleisfunky

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And - no matter how egregious you think someone's lack of research may be, exactly zero point zero Orgers have been banned, snipped or taken to task by a mod for it. Ergo, what you get mad about isn't against any rule, and therefore is not worthy of a complaint. (But you and I do know a person who has been banned in relation to these kinds of complaints, don't we?)



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How many more pointless/rude comments before bart gets banned? could a mod tell us? thanks

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Reply #32 posted 07/09/19 11:32am

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The only one to blame is prince: he should and could have started a "from the archives" series decades ago, instead he failed to even maintain his vault.

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Meanwhile Bob Dylan: http://www.bobdylan.com/n...ecordings/ And that's just one example. How about a fringe artist: https://burningshed.com/s...on-boxsets .

Dylan lives longer than Prince did and he probably has a prolific management-team that actually cares for his legacy. But he did not nearly record as much as Prince did. Unfortunately Prince never actually seemed to take care of his recorded music once it was done. Makes one wonder why he felt the need to wirte Slave on his face. As Alan Leeds once said to Prince: „You're the slave owning the plantation“.

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Reply #33 posted 07/09/19 1:23pm

MarcelS67

BartVanHemelen said:



PURPLEIZED3121 said:




leecaldon said:




Maybe because it's a forum for discussion, and it's started an interesting discussion shrug



Someone got out of the wrong side of bed today. Again.




think BVH forgets that we have lives & really don't have the time to do endless research to validate a minor point! He does need to get out more!



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You had the time to write up your post, yet couldn't find the time to enter a couple of keywords into Google.


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Also, there have been a grand total of TWO post-humous deals. TWO. Not five or twelve or twenty. TWO. So is it that much trouble to investigate the subject for five seconds before writing a bunch of INCORRECT stuff?


Argh... Bart, shut up for a second will ya please?
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Reply #34 posted 07/09/19 3:01pm

jfenster

should "they" cater to the hardcore fans or the general public??

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Reply #35 posted 07/09/19 3:21pm

nonesuch

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should "they" cater to the hardcore fans or the general public??

The general public might be interested in a Prince biopic, but it most certainly not in his unreleased gems. So, yes, „they“ should cater fans, casual or hardcore.

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Reply #36 posted 07/09/19 5:46pm

leecaldon

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leecaldon said:

Maybe because it's a forum for discussion, and it's started an interesting discussion shrug

Someone got out of the wrong side of bed today. Again.

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Yeah, I'm the one at fault here. Not the person who spewed incorrect nonsense he couldn't be arsed to research.

As I said, it's startd an interesting discussion. Which is why most of us are here.

You often manage to deflate the atmosphere for no apparent reason.

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Reply #37 posted 07/09/19 6:27pm

macaylasdad

IMO...the mystique of the vault is worth than the investment. Reality is outside of his fans who stuck with him throughout his entire career.... who else would care to buy anything from the vault? Fact is Prince was selling albums like he used to, mind the industry has changed and it's become more a singles market than anything. Can you tell me when Prince had a Top 20 single? Kids today are not interested in Prince music and could care less about any new releases from him.

The "locked" vault had us all guessing what could be in there? We heard stories and dreamed what's in there? How much? What does it look like? Most of now have been answered, the mystique of the vault has faded. Of all the music that has been released from the vault, has any of it floored any of you to point of wow! This is greatest thing he's ever done? For me, no. Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed most of it but not wowed by it either and I am a 32 year fan.

Now if your a corporation and you got access to it, where does it fit in today's music scene? It really doesn't, none of it will be played on the radio ir get the buzz where it will be downloaded where today's kid will stop listening Arianna Grande, Justin Beiber, Beyonce, etc in favor of buying Prince music that is older than them? No. WB and Sony will brag about having rights to the music, all well and good, but remember they are in it to make money and recap their ROI. Do you think any release from Prince since 4/21/16 has done that? If this keeps up we will continue to get regurgitated greatest hits albums with a "rare" track from the "legendary" vault. That will be it.

I have always felt the music, once digitized should be return to PP in the vault. Sirus/XM should have a Prince channel, broadcast live from there. Bring back the NPGMC and stream EVERY god damn thing for a fee where fans and new fans can buy music, videos, concerts, etc of what they want.

It's us who want to keep his legacy alive. The current model of how it's been marketed and promoted is not working, clearly. The sales suck.

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Reply #38 posted 07/09/19 8:54pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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leecaldon said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yeah, I'm the one at fault here. Not the person who spewed incorrect nonsense he couldn't be arsed to research.

As I said, it's startd an interesting discussion. Which is why most of us are here.

You often manage to deflate the atmosphere for no apparent reason.

I agree, at least the OP started a new thread whether the topic has been discussed previously or not.

It's not as though there is an overflow of new topics on the org which makes me worry all the more.

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Reply #39 posted 07/09/19 9:47pm

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macaylasdad said:

It really doesn't, none of it will be played on the radio ir get the buzz where it will be downloaded where today's kid will stop listening Arianna Grande, Justin Beiber, Beyonce, etc in favor of buying Prince music that is older than them?

I know a way today's Top 40 audience will listen to Prince. Have DJ Khaled say "we da best music" and his name a few times over the track and put him in the music video. Instant hit with over a hundred million views on Youtube in about a week or 2. lol Or put old hits in the next Grand Theft Auto video game. Games sell way more than CDs today and usually more than movies on DVD/Blu Ray. GTA 5 has sold more and made more money than any other entertainment item in history, including Michael Jackson's Thriller album. Certain older acts like The Beatles continue to sell because they're always talked about in the media, especially in magazines that focus on rock music. That's free publicity. All 4 Beatles have been inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame for their solo careers. Prince gets nowhere near the same amount of mainstream coverage as The Beatles still do and they haven't existed since 1970. The 1 compilation is one of the biggest selling albums of the 2000s and everything on it was previously released. There's probably been over a thousand books on the Fabs over the decades and people still write new ones. There's a documentary about Stuart Sutcliffe and he was dead by the time the group became famous and a biopic about John Lennon as a teenager called Nowhere Boy. They're also a brand that sells more than music, so are Elvis Presley & Bob Marley. If the Fabs can get millions of people to buy Beatle dolls, Lego sets, and watch a Cirque du Soleil show featuring their music, that's more money for them and ways for new generations to know about them. Who else can get lots of people to buy CDs with studio chatter and flubbed takes (Anthology)? So is Paul McCartney doing a song with Rihanna/Kanye West or participating in Jimmy Fallon skits. That Rihanna song was the 1st Top 10 hit Paul has had in the US since the 1980s. KISS is another band with lots of merchandising and they even have a Kiss Kasket.

Other than Purple Rain and 3 or 4 other albums to a lesser extent, Prince was not that big a seller even in his heyday compared to others during the same time period like Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Whitney Houston, George Michael, & Def Leppard. Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel album was selling more in the USA than Lovesexy & Sign O' The Times back then. Beastie Boys' Licence To Ill was way more popular than Parade. So I don't know why people here expect new Prince albums to compete with currently mainstream popular acts, and very few of them sell many physical CDs/LPs/cassettes. Most younger people don't even own anything to play them on. Prince new stuff wasn't selling much before he died.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #40 posted 07/10/19 6:41am

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MickyDolenz said:

macaylasdad said:

It really doesn't, none of it will be played on the radio ir get the buzz where it will be downloaded where today's kid will stop listening Arianna Grande, Justin Beiber, Beyonce, etc in favor of buying Prince music that is older than them?

I know a way today's Top 40 audience will listen to Prince. Have DJ Khaled say "we da best music" and his name a few times over the track and put him in the music video. Instant hit with over a hundred million views on Youtube in about a week or 2. lol Or put old hits in the next Grand Theft Auto video game. Games sell way more than CDs today and usually more than movies on DVD/Blu Ray. GTA 5 has sold more and made more money than any other entertainment item in history, including Michael Jackson's Thriller album. Certain older acts like The Beatles continue to sell because they're always talked about in the media, especially in magazines that focus on rock music. That's free publicity. All 4 Beatles have been inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame for their solo careers. Prince gets nowhere near the same amount of mainstream coverage as The Beatles still do and they haven't existed since 1970. The 1 compilation is one of the biggest selling albums of the 2000s and everything on it was previously released. There's probably been over a thousand books on the Fabs over the decades and people still write new ones. There's a documentary about Stuart Sutcliffe and he was dead by the time the group became famous and a biopic about John Lennon as a teenager called Nowhere Boy. They're also a brand that sells more than music, so are Elvis Presley & Bob Marley. If the Fabs can get millions of people to buy Beatle dolls, Lego sets, and watch a Cirque du Soleil show featuring their music, that's more money for them and ways for new generations to know about them. Who else can get lots of people to buy CDs with studio chatter and flubbed takes (Anthology)? So is Paul McCartney doing a song with Rihanna/Kanye West or participating in Jimmy Fallon skits. That Rihanna song was the 1st Top 10 hit Paul has had in the US since the 1980s. KISS is another band with lots of merchandising and they even have a Kiss Kasket.

Other than Purple Rain and 3 or 4 other albums to a lesser extent, Prince was not that big a seller even in his heyday compared to others during the same time period like Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Whitney Houston, George Michael, & Def Leppard. Bobby Brown's Don't Be Cruel album was selling more in the USA than Lovesexy & Sign O' The Times back then. Beastie Boys' Licence To Ill was way more popular than Parade. So I don't know why people here expect new Prince albums to compete with currently mainstream popular acts, and very few of them sell many physical CDs/LPs/cassettes. Most younger people don't even own anything to play them on. Prince new stuff wasn't selling much before he died.



falloff on DJ Kahled. I saw that guy on "Saturday Night Live" and if he's got any talent at all, he kept it well-hidden. It was the worst thing I've ever seen on SNL, including Ashlee Simpson's barn dance.

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Reply #41 posted 07/10/19 3:33pm

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RodeoSchro said:

falloff on DJ Kahled.

DJ Khaled seems to be everywhere like Pitbull & Drake. razz I think he got his start in a movie starring several dancehall artists called Shottas. Wyclef Jean from The Fugees was in the movie too. DJ Khaled used Maria Maria (co-written by Wyclef) by Santana in his hit Wild Thoughts. Khaled has been really popular for several years now. He's done songs for recent Disney movies and currently has a popular collab with recently killed Nipsey Hussle with John Legend singing the hook.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #42 posted 07/10/19 5:05pm

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MickyDolenz said:

macaylasdad said:

It really doesn't, none of it will be played on the radio ir get the buzz where it will be downloaded where today's kid will stop listening Arianna Grande, Justin Beiber, Beyonce, etc in favor of buying Prince music that is older than them?

I know a way today's Top 40 audience will listen to Prince. Have DJ Khaled say "we da best music" and his name a few times over the track


ANOTHER ONE!

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Reply #43 posted 07/11/19 7:49pm

macaylasdad

BanishedBrian said:

MickyDolenz said:

I know a way today's Top 40 audience will listen to Prince. Have DJ Khaled say "we da best music" and his name a few times over the track


ANOTHER ONE!

If the estate ever let DJ Khaled touch any of Prince's music.the fans would revolt!

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Reply #44 posted 07/12/19 9:29pm

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macaylasdad said:

If the estate ever let DJ Khaled touch any of Prince's music. the fans would revolt!

I wouldn't 'cause remixes of old music don't bother me. I have that Elvis Presley remix single for A Little Less Conversation that was popular awhile back & a Nat King Cole remix album & another for Motown hits. I have a lot of remix maxi singles in general. My favorite remix album is Bell Biv DeVoe's WBBD Bootcity

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #45 posted 07/13/19 2:32am

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Hardcore fans will reach out to buy anything from the vault (like me) The average fan/music lover wont race out and will probably wait till its in the $2 bin in Target, expecting high revenue sales from the vault I believe is going to fade out over time, remember Prince was keeping his popularity current by touring, and with that exposure now gone its going to be an uphill battle. They have to open it up and flood the market sooner than later with premium AUDIO and VIDEO releases.

"Prince don't know how many hits he got"
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Reply #46 posted 07/13/19 8:00am

macaylasdad

MickyDolenz said:

macaylasdad said:

If the estate ever let DJ Khaled touch any of Prince's music. the fans would revolt!

I wouldn't 'cause remixes of old music don't bother me. I have that Elvis Presley remix single for A Little Less Conversation that was popular awhile back & a Nat King Cole remix album & another for Motown hits. I have a lot of remix maxi singles in general. My favorite remix album is Bell Biv DeVoe's WBBD Bootcity

I hear you... but do think Prince would have collaborated with anyone on his own music? Let alone DJ Khaled?

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Reply #47 posted 07/13/19 8:28am

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Follow That Dream records or Dylan bootleg series is the only way forward. There'll never be big money in his unreleased catalogue, or even in 90% of his released catalogue. He's not the Beatles, no one is i'm afraid, the stars aligned for them and them alone. Even the likes of Bob Marley or Queen only have about 2 cds worth of commercial gold outside their hardcore fanbases.
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Reply #48 posted 07/13/19 10:16am

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macaylasdad said:

I hear you... but do think Prince would of colloboated with anyone one his own music? Let alone DJ Khaled?

But a lot of remix singles had nothing to do with the performers of the records. The remixers were often hired by the record labels. The artists usually had no choice in the matter or they might not know that there songs were getting a remix. Hall & Oates did choose Arthur Baker for the Big Bam Boom album & singles. Around the late 1980s, when Latin Freestyle & New Jack Swing started to gain popularity, some artists started participating in their own remixes recording different vocals from the album version. Or the remix might put a rap part in it. Mariah Carey gets credit for this, but it was happening years before she got a record deal. Labels have also been known to remix albums artists turned in without their knowledge, not as in a dance remix, but just the regular mixes. Like Capitol Records mixed some of the Beatles original British mono songs into fake stereo. Which was like the vocals on one speaker & the music on the other. The USA versions of Beatle albums were mostly different too, like the Hey Jude album and the one with the "butcher babies" album cover. Dance remixes weren't even a thing when Nat King Cole was recording. They were invented in the disco era of the mid 1970s. There's several Verve remix albums with old jazz songs by singers like Billie Holiday.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #49 posted 07/14/19 12:02am

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How are artists/record labels compensated for their music on streaming services (Tidal/Apple Music/Spotify)? Does the streaming service pay them a one-time, flat fee to add the songs to their library for a specified duration? Or do they actually track the number of times a song streams and pay a royalty per usage?




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Reply #50 posted 07/14/19 2:18am

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lurker316 said:


How are artists/record labels compensated for their music on streaming services (Tidal/Apple Music/Spotify)? Does the streaming service pay them a one-time, flat fee to add the songs to their library for a specified duration? Or do they actually track the number of times a song streams and pay a royalty per usage?





They get a percentage of the pie, so to speak, so whatever revenue the streaming service has put aside for royalties divided by how much an act is listened to compared to everyone else on there. Obviously plus whatever backroom cash on the table deals might be happening and minus whatever percentage of the bands streaming income goes to record labels, managers etc.
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Reply #51 posted 07/14/19 10:41am

jfenster

50 + unrelease albums...yeh worthless

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Reply #52 posted 07/17/19 10:17am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

leecaldon said:

As I said, it's startd an interesting discussion. Which is why most of us are here.

You often manage to deflate the atmosphere for no apparent reason.

I agree, at least the OP started a new thread whether the topic has been discussed previously or not.

It's not as though there is an overflow of new topics on the org which makes me worry all the more.

very true re BVH [of course!] but more importantly the lack of new news on here these days. Lots of opinions BUT very little in the way of updates. Moreso when it comes to activities from associated artists. Best place by far for news bits & direct interaction with direct Prince links is of course Twitter & FB & to an extent IG.

Suggests that there is a loss of interest from the community OR a fear of adding content in case the usual hard core dismiss it like some fat purple yodas!

The ORG relies on good content....so where is it?

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Reply #53 posted 07/17/19 11:47am

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BartVanHemelen said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Am I correct in recalling Londell etc nearly sold it for $35m? If that were the case how could any investor ever hope to at least break-even? Yes there's the bragging rights of someone owning the vault BUT making it commercially viable I would suggest is an impossibility. estate should have grabbed that $35m!!

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If you care so much, how about GOOGLING this?

Seriously Bart...just make "Did u Google that 1st wanker?" part of ur signature u irritable 1 trick pony!!

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Reply #54 posted 07/17/19 11:55am

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maybe Bart owns part of google???

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Reply #55 posted 07/17/19 1:23pm

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macaylasdad said:

but do think Prince would of collaborated with anyone one his own music?

I don't think recorded music is some sacred thing that nobody should mess with. If people remix music, sample it, remake it, parody it, re-record it, etc, it's all good to me. I can either choose to listen to it or ignore it. Same with any other type of entertainment. One of my favorite TV shows is The Dukes Of Hazzard, but I had no interest in seeing the Jessica Simpson movie remake. For others who did watch it, more power to them.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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