Genesia said:

SimonCharles said:

I had precisely the same thought! Dissing Make-Up at all - a gorgeous tune. Dissing it and utilising Something In The Water...oh my days.

He dissed Something In The Water! Saying something is like Something In The Water, but worse is a takedown of both.

Dude is a philistine.

obviously nobody has ever told zach that he's got great legs

Genesia said:

SimonCharles said:

I had precisely the same thought! Dissing Make-Up at all - a gorgeous tune. Dissing it and utilising Something In The Water...oh my days.

He dissed Something In The Water!

WTF. Geezus. I wish everybody and their mama would stop writing about prince especially when they dont know wtf they're talking about.

fabriziovenerandi said:

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In my last ebook of poems you can touch the poems, see the verses that change, hide, divide at the touch, change depending on the time of day when you read them. And more. So: the digital instrument could change the content and how the user benefits from the content.

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Don't know why the type got so small--but I was really intrigued by your description... if only I had the Italian in order to experience the work.

We get to listen to some of the tracks in Studio B this weekend for Paisley Park After Dark. Should be fun!

Early doors here in Blighty but I notice its appeared for sale i US itunes as of right now. Thought it was Friday? Anyway. i love it. Enjoy!!

Genesia said:

SimonCharles said:

I had precisely the same thought! Dissing Make-Up at all - a gorgeous tune. Dissing it and utilising Something In The Water...oh my days.

He dissed Something In The Water! Saying something is like Something In The Water, but worse is a takedown of both.

Dude is a philistine.

Yes, I found that part curious and irksome as well, as "Something in the Water" may just be my favorite Prince song and "Make-Up" is one of my top 3 on Originals.

BartVanHemelen said:

Review by Paste: https://www.pastemagazine...eview.html

Thanks!
that reviewer however is nuts Make-up is the best track on the album in my opinion and he doesn't seem to like SOmething in the water also, one of the best tracks on 1999.

fabriziovenerandi said:

databank said:

Not sure what you mean. Epub and mobi files aren't websites. I know sites like Amazon only technically "stream" you the books, but there are ways to actually "rip" the books from them, and sites that actually offer the files themselves (whether legally or otherwise).

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epub and mobi files are, more or less, zip archive. Inside you can find HTML and CSS files (and in EPUB3 Javascript too). All the ebooks in the world are minisites!

Ah OK I didn't know that. Yet in the end the reading experience is the same. I know read exclusively on kindle and it doesn't change a thing for me.

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I only know Bandersnatch in the titles you mentionned, interactive arts is yet something else. Not sure how much future it has, it's a bit like the "choose your own adventure" books I used to play as a teen, they were cool but never came close to replace novels. In a way they're not so far removed from Trevor's suggestion to "remix your own Prince album from the multitracks" or, even, video games in the traditional sense of the term. Until maybe AI develops to the pojnt that it can adjust to one's own choices in real time and in an infinite manner of ways, literally creating the work as you play it, those things remain pre-programmed with a limited number of options, and I don't think people are looking for the same thing when "playing" a work of art as they do when "consuming" it in a passive way, i.e. accepting an artists' choice and decision for what it is, as such. It's hard to predict the future but the tremendous success of video games for 40 years and the fact that it doesn't really competes with films and series suggests that one may never replace the other in terms of a consumers' experience.

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Uh, no, again

Afaik videogames in 2017 had a flood of 107 billion dollars. Movie "only" 88 billion dollars.

OK, but I don't see that as a replacement. It'd be like saying that TV sports are replacing motion pictures because they get more ratings on TV for example. It's just another type of entertainment. Movies still enjoy tremendous popularity (Endgame is proof of that), and TV series are more popular than ever before. People may spend lots of time playing video games, but it didn't replace movies and series, it's just another medium.

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And, not, electronic literature is not only CYOA. Electronic Literature is videogames, as generative music. In my last ebook of poems you can touch the poems, see the verses that change, hide, divide at the touch, change depending on the time of day when you read them. And more. So: the digital instrument could change the content and how the user benefits from the content.

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I'm very interested in this even if I don't read italian, I'd love to see how it looks. Where can I purchase your book? Does it read on Kindle or do you need a tablet?

I'm also very curious about Tendermetal, is there a link for that?

Also, how are the changes in your book and Tendermetal decided, is it an algorythm? Is every part/option artist-generated or some are IA-generated?

I'm not sure how much of a future this type of project has, maybe they will remain rare or closer to contemporary art in the sens that they're more like performance/installation than a traditional book or record. Not sure how much people will want more of this, and how much technology can allow those to become more and more interesting. My point was that I think at some point people just want to be passive. We've enjoyed stories and arts in a passive way since the dawn of time even if there was always a certain level of interactivity allowed (like the audience interacting with a storyteller or people on stage). I think this is how we like arts, something decided from A to Z by an artist that we consume in a passive manner, but maybe I'm wrong.

Regarding Ship of Theseus mentionned above, IDK, maybe it's super nice but to me adding maps, postcards and videos to a book remains a gadget. A great novel doesn't need those types of extras to be catchy. Now in the case of your poetry book that's something else. I actually considered toying with such interactive poetry concepts some years ago but didn't really find a way to make it work and don't have the technical skills to program something myself, that's why I'm very interested to see the book, how it works and curious about how you did it

Looks like this thread isn't the place to give my review of Something in the Water. Let's just say that the birthday show performance is one of my favourite Prince performances and I love, love, love it. The album version though... What can I say? Well, it's better than the atrocity that is Make Up. I swear I'm listening to a different version of that song than the rest of you. Easily the worst track on originals for me and it's not even close. I just don't get it.

IstenSzek said:

no, i know that S and HOL were both created to take advantage of the book object, i think we lost
a little bit in translation there, between us

i agree with pretty much everything you wrote

databank said:

Ah OK I didn't know that. Yet in the end the reading experience is the same. I know read exclusively on kindle and it doesn't change a thing for me.

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You can see this in footnote: in ebook we have not footnotes but links, because there are no pages in HTML files (but we have anchor and links).

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fabriziovenerandi said:

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Uh, no, again

Afaik videogames in 2017 had a flood of 107 billion dollars. Movie "only" 88 billion dollars.

OK, but I don't see that as a replacement. It'd be like saying that TV sports are replacing motion pictures because they get more ratings on TV for example. It's just another type of entertainment. Movies still enjoy tremendous popularity (Endgame is proof of that), and TV series are more popular than ever before. People may spend lots of time playing video games, but it didn't replace movies and series, it's just another medium.

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Oh, yes. I never talk about a "replacement", but the videogames impact in culture is very strong. For example movies like Edge of Tomorrow, or Hardcore Henry are strongly influenced by the aesthetics and language of video games.

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I'm very interested in this even if I don't read italian, I'd love to see how it looks. Where can I purchase your book? Does it read on Kindle or do you need a tablet?

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You could see a short video here: https://www.youtube.com/w...OKjn7UbbMM

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I'm also very curious about Tendermetal, is there a link for that?

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It is a iOs App, you could find it in Apple store.

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Also, how are the changes in your book and Tendermetal decided, is it an algorythm? Is every part/option artist-generated or some are IA-generated?

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There are different algorythms for each type of poem: some are random, some uses the time of the day, other uses reader touch. Tender Metal seems to me use random algorythm. BTW I ever desired Prince could use the Bronze technology tender Metal uses to make a infinite album... but was only a dream.

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I'm not sure how much of a future this type of project has, maybe they will remain rare or closer to contemporary art in the sens that they're more like performance/installation than a traditional book or record. Not sure how much people will want more of this, and how much technology can allow those to become more and more interesting. My point was that I think at some point people just want to be passive. We've enjoyed stories and arts in a passive way since the dawn of time even if there was always a certain level of interactivity allowed (like the audience interacting with a storyteller or people on stage). I think this is how we like arts, something decided from A to Z by an artist that we consume in a passive manner, but maybe I'm wrong.

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I don't know, I'm playing different "videogames" that are more electronic literature than "game". And a lot of people "play" those game. I broke my crystal ball several years ago (not the Prince cd).

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Regarding Ship of Theseus mentionned above, IDK, maybe it's super nice but to me adding maps, postcards and videos to a book remains a gadget. A great novel doesn't need those types of extras to be catchy. Now in the case of your poetry book that's something else. I actually considered toying with such interactive poetry concepts some years ago but didn't really find a way to make it work and don't have the technical skills to program something myself, that's why I'm very interested to see the book, how it works and curious about how you did it

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A great novel don't need it. A great interactive book, yes, it need it. All the materials present in "S." served me to enjoy the story, not just the story. Even those are rhetorical material, intertwining..

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i was hoping my copy would arrive today. no such luck! looks like i will either have to wait for amazon to deliver sometime tomorrow or go and buy a copy from hmv in the morning

My record store call me because my cd is just arrived. I'm going take it.

what is the abbreviation gonna be for this record .. O? .. OG? .. ORG?

AOA

HNR

HNR2

PNM83

O

... i don't know .. it feels like it needs a little something ..

TrevorAyer said:

Review in The Quietus: https://thequietus.com/ar...als-review

I purchased the digital version of this album from iTunes. There was a bug where iTunes wouldn't download the final track, NC2U. I spent an hour on the phone with iTunes support.

What they suspect happened is that iTunes was confused because I'd bought the stand-alone version of this song that was released last year -- so iTunes thought I already had it. That shound not happen because the songs are on different albums, and therefore each version has a unique identifier associated with the different albums. To be clear, even if from a musical/content standpoint the files are identical, iTunes should still recognize them as different songs since they are on different albums with different metadata and artwork. Apple understands that customers may want two identical copies of the song if they want to ensure their albums are properly sequenced, and that's why each version has its own unique identifier associated with a specific album.

For example, this would be like if you purchased Purple Rain Deluxe and iTunes refused to include 17 Days because you already had a digital copy from The Hits/The B-sides. That should not happen. Even if the file is the same, they are on differennt albums with different metadata and artwork -- and iTunes assignes each its own unique product code -- so you should be able to download both copies of 17 Days to ensure that both albums (The Hits and PRD) are properly sequenced in your music library.

Anyway, the supervisory customer service rep who helped me was great. She eventually found a work-around and was able to download The Originals version of NC2U to my library. Nevertheless, she escalated the case to the engineers incase anyone else is having this problem, and because its such a mystery. (Obviously I could have edited the metadata and artwork for the stand-alone version of NC2U and got it to sequence with the Orginals, but I shouldn't have to do that. This is Apple -- they should be on the ball.)

[Edited 6/20/19 9:38am]

thedoorkeeper said:

TrevorAyer said:

what is the abbreviation gonna be for this record .. O? .. OG? .. ORG?

AOA

HNR

HNR2

PNM83

O

... i don't know .. it feels like it needs a little something ..

There you go - another thing the estate didn't think thru.

lurker316 said:

I purchased the digital version of this album from iTunes. There was a bug where iTunes wouldn't download the final track, NC2U. I spent an hour on the phone with iTunes support.

What they suspect happened is that iTunes was confused because I'd bought the stand-alone version of this song that was released last year -- so iTunes thought I already had it. That shound not happen because the songs are on different albums, and therefore each version has a unique identifier associated with the different albums. To be clear, even if from a musical/content standpoint the files are identical, iTunes should still recognize them as different songs since they are on different albums with different metadata and artwork. Apple understands that customers may want two identical copies of the song if they want to ensure their albums are properly sequenced, and that's why each version has its own unique identifier associated with a specific album.

For example, this would be like if you purchased Purple Rain Deluxe and iTunes refused to include 17 Days because you already had a digital copy from The Hits/The B-sides. That should not happen. Even if the file is the same, they are on differennt albums with different metadata and artwork -- and iTunes assignes each its own unique product code -- so you should be able to download both copies of 17 Days to ensure that both albums (The Hits and PRD) are properly sequenced in your music library.

Anyway, the supervisory customer service rep who helped me was great. She eventually found a work-around and was able to download The Originals version of NC2U to my library. Nevertheless, she escalated the case to the engineers incase anyone else is having this problem, and because its such a mystery. (Obviously I could have edited the metadata and artwork for the stand-alone version of NC2U and got it to sequence with the Orginals, but I shouldn't have to do that. This is Apple -- they should be on the ball.)

This is really good to know. I ordered the white vinyl LP of Originals, but also plan to get the digital version from iTunes (since I don't feel like ripping the vinyl). Thank you!

I ordered from the Estate, but if it's at Target today, I think I'll mosey on over there and get a copy of the 'exclusive'.

sulls said:

I ordered from the Estate, but if it's at Target today, I think I'll mosey on over there and get a copy of the 'exclusive'.

Help me out, please (so I don't have to dig through a million posts) - what is different about the Target version?

Genesia said:

sulls said:

I ordered from the Estate, but if it's at Target today, I think I'll mosey on over there and get a copy of the 'exclusive'.

Help me out, please (so I don't have to dig through a million posts) - what is different about the Target version?

Extra "cinematic" version of Nothing Compares 2 U. Whatever that is! lol

motherfunka said:

lurker316 said:

I purchased the digital version of this album from iTunes. There was a bug where iTunes wouldn't download the final track, NC2U. I spent an hour on the phone with iTunes support.

What they suspect happened is that iTunes was confused because I'd bought the stand-alone version of this song that was released last year -- so iTunes thought I already had it. That shound not happen because the songs are on different albums, and therefore each version has a unique identifier associated with the different albums. To be clear, even if from a musical/content standpoint the files are identical, iTunes should still recognize them as different songs since they are on different albums with different metadata and artwork. Apple understands that customers may want two identical copies of the song if they want to ensure their albums are properly sequenced, and that's why each version has its own unique identifier associated with a specific album.

For example, this would be like if you purchased Purple Rain Deluxe and iTunes refused to include 17 Days because you already had a digital copy from The Hits/The B-sides. That should not happen. Even if the file is the same, they are on differennt albums with different metadata and artwork -- and iTunes assignes each its own unique product code -- so you should be able to download both copies of 17 Days to ensure that both albums (The Hits and PRD) are properly sequenced in your music library.

Anyway, the supervisory customer service rep who helped me was great. She eventually found a work-around and was able to download The Originals version of NC2U to my library. Nevertheless, she escalated the case to the engineers incase anyone else is having this problem, and because its such a mystery. (Obviously I could have edited the metadata and artwork for the stand-alone version of NC2U and got it to sequence with the Orginals, but I shouldn't have to do that. This is Apple -- they should be on the ball.)

[Edited 6/20/19 9:38am]

Imagine if tomorrow when I buy the CD from Target I came home to find that NC2U was missing because I bought the 7" last year....

Except that would be impossible.

Another reason to buy physical copies?



Glad they were able to work it out for you, but, not worth the hassle imo.

sulls said:

I ordered from the Estate, but if it's at Target today, I think I'll mosey on over there and get a copy of the 'exclusive'.

Because someone above claimed Target was selling it earlier in the weak, I checked yesterday. No such luck at my store.

AvocadosMax said:

Next thing the estate should do is open a poll on this website and this website only and have us the hardcore fans vote on which tracks we want to hear the most and then they can just release 14 of the top tracks and there you go, that’s the ‘ORG’ album. It’s OUR album. We did it.

They might just say top 10, so they can release one album a year for more years. The thought of a big box set has never crossed their minds...imagine getting his most hard core fans something they might spend $100 for an 8 cd set, $300 for 25 discs? Yeah, I know cds won't exist in a few, but unless FLAC catches on, I don't want lossy MP3 files of everything. The estate really should consult a real fan. Troy Carter has about as much passion for Prince as I do for liver and onions.