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Although I usually frown upon cross posting, it is appropriate here, my response to Tony being "Smooth as a MF." :
As much as I hated rap in most of Prince's music. There were some brilliant moments:
"The Latest Fashion." Prince raps about coming harder than a heart attack. Such a wonderous rhyme, made me stop in my tracks, such amazing flow, and I ignored lesser tracks like "The Question Of U," "Joy In Repetition," just to get to the rapping.
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"Jughead" Tony M shouts and yells that make LL Cool J seem like the Beastie Boys whining. And the famous Mr Money Minder speech which had to be one of the most intellectual moments in hip hop history where Tony sounds so exquisite, that it makes a Harvard Lecture I attended once pale in comparison. (Sure, Tony was not really rapping this part, but it sounded so great, I still maintain this is hip hop's greatest moment in history.)
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"My Name Is Prince" Tony M becomes the first master rapper to actually rap about Manure. Sure other rappers have said the good ol S word, but never Manure. This proved Prince made the right move when hiring Tony.
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"Da Da Da" Scrappy Doo, or whatever his name was becomes the first rapper ever to make a reference to smoking Weed. Yes 1996 had to be at least 30 years, UH 10 Years? before anyone else thought to approach the subject. Amazing, introspective, and instead of following a shallow minded trend, Prince and Scrappy Doo created a trend rapping about weed. Nobody else could have come up with such a tremendous idea.
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"Return Of The Bump Squad" Here, it is probably Sonny T, pretending to smoke weed while rapping or perhaps just speaking Bible verses. Nothing in the history of music has eveer been so poignant, or should I just say Godly, as reading Bible Verses while pretending to be high. I'm sure God blessed Prince and Sonny for such a God like action.
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And on a more serious note, "P Control" was actually pretty good for the most part, but some of the music sounded like circus music and sounds pretty dated now. Not quite as circus as that little part in "New Power Generation," but close.
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"Days Of Wild" remains my favorite of his rap songs. Of course he's making fun of the same Weed that is being praised on "Bump Squad."
[Edited 5/13/19 14:05pm] Loving your work. Although I always likened that 'little part in New Power Generation' to my local ice cream van. . Agree on P's timing sometimes being off. He was referencing the Berlin Wall coming down 15 years later | |
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Musically, it's very high quality organic funk and hip-hop with touches of jazz reminiscent in places of Madhouse. Your response to the vocals will largely depend on your response to Tony M. I feel nostalgic about Tony as I have very fond memories of the'Diamonds and Pearls' and 'Love Symbol' albums and feel Tony really adds something to the recent NPG gigs. 'Gold Nigga' is a fun, enjoyable album and is firmly in that category for me. But then again I'd place The Time's 'Pandemonium' album in the same category and don't consider it any lesser for that. | |
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It's alright, it fits in with the musical themes of Symbol. Carmen is a little harder to get through, but has it's moments. It's so amazing that right after this he recorded some of his most guitar-heavy stuff (undertaker, come/gold). Dude was always looking for that next spark. |
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I just saw the NPG recently and they did Goldnigga, Deuce & A Quarter, 2gether, Call The Law, and Johnny. I loved it. It broght back lots of good memories. Prince played these quite a bit at Glam Slam shows and Act I and II tours. I'd take this album over NPS any day. TRUE BLUE |
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this is sad as fuck "Climb in my fur." | |
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I like the song 2gether, but that sort of a expulsion of a laugh, or whatever you call it, Tony does after he delivers each line...GRATES ON ME. And Sonny, trying to take everyone to church with that awful stretching of his "soulful" 'yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaah' vocal just sounds forced and is extremely irritating to me. Believe me - it's a Prince project. I WANT/TRY to like it. "I like to watch." | |
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"  don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." |
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YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN! | |
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Couple of good tracks, but definitely not a fantastic album. That said, Im happy to have it. I simply dont understand the angst with Prince trying new things back in the day, including his version of hip hop. Gett Off, Facedown, Johnny, Big Fun, 18 and Over, etc... He made some fun tracks in that mode. Thats who he was and what he did. We wouldnt have the incredible bounty of eclectic Prince music without it. He would be another Coldplay without that insatiable need and talent to change and create. I didnt like TRC, yet I am glad it exists. Its all part of the Prince journey that we were lucky enough to experience. (Insert something clever here) | |
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thank you "Climb in my fur." | |
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Hmm. It's just art. Not a competition. People like what they like (or don't). You can push your opinion like it's THE GOSPEL. Whatever makes you feel good... [Edited 5/14/19 10:09am] "New Power slide...." |
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CB >>> GN IS the gospel. "Climb in my fur." | |
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sorry, lol I can rock Vanity 6:Nasty Girl, If A Girl Answers, Make Up, Drive Me Wild etc
those songs are wonderful, high quality. I don't think i can compare any Goldni&&a songs with those above
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uh you thought the sex audio part of Lady Cab Driver was rape...
sooooo lol
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" don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." |
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The disdain for this album makes me want to hear it. | |
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lol...those two albums are CLASSICS compared to Goldnigga
The Vanity 6 album,in particular, was edgy and really ahead of its time. | |
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The three part title track is one hell of a groove.if you haven't listened to this album in years i recommend going back and listening to the music, think of it as the NPG doing their own version of the Undertaker.
The Flow is worse than every track on here and that made it onto an actual Prince album. [Edited 5/14/19 14:22pm] | |
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and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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and the talking bits are justIstenSzek said:
100% agree The recent-ish leak of Goldnigga pt 1,2 & 3 in one section is indeed addictive. Could listen to that groove all day. You know it! | |
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There's much to appreciate about GN, as with all Prince-related albums. An album can be "good" in many different ways. Even if it's not your cup of tea musically, you can look at it for its social value, as empowering to its participants; elevating people, including local black men such as Tony M, up into the spotlight and giving them a chance to express themselves and produce something at the top of their ability. They should be proud
If you have the guts to stand up before the masses and do your best then I have tremendous respect for you. | |
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To add my 2 cents... First, I like it a lot, there, I said it. Now beyond this, I thought back then and still think to this day that it made sense for Prince to add his contribution to the acid jazz and jazz/rap fusion movements, that were really hip at the time. What I found interesting in his apprach is that most, not all but most of those jazz/rap attemps used the same formula: use hip-hop beats as a fundation, add jazz/funk elements on top of it and rap vocals as your lead. Prince somewhat followed that formula on Carmen Electra but on Gold Nigga he chose to use jazz/funk beats as his fundation. Basically the album is a jazz/funk fusion record and the vocals, with the additional scratches and samples, were the only true hip hop elements. Musically it's a very solid record, with a NPG on top of their game. As for Prince playing the "gangsta" game of course that seemed a bit odd because Prince and the Mpls scene mostly came from middle class families, not the hood like most NY and LA rappers, so P's streed cred was debatable, but IDK, I didn't take it too seriously. Just fun, nothing ethereal. [Edited 5/14/19 20:14pm] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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- Well... What I particularly like about this album is the fun-element. It should've been a The Time album. Imagine Morris singing 'Black MF in the house' (Love it. It's great and fun. Even Tony M's rap is OK.) "...hey boy U gonna play the piano, or just bang on it?..." 'Johnny' is a fun song too, only, here I really don't like Tony's rap, and the song is a bit too long. The overall fresh sound did not age at all. It could've been a good funk album made today, if only the collection of songs was better. A track like 'Goldies Parade' is a wonderfuyl instrumental, but should've been on another Madhouse? album... imho of course. But the overall tracks I really don't like. 'Get Wild' and 'Call The Law'... naaaah. Think I will try this album again in 20 years. -
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Get Wild is on Exodus, not Gold Nigga. | |
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Always loved NPG band the sound of the album (and some of the Carmen stuff too which sits right along side it). A nice booster to the D&P/Symbol era. | |
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True, Gold Nigga thru Tony and Exodus thru Sonny were P's 90's version of The Time, street level macho gangsta funk music A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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We like to fancy P as this androgynous half-white half-black cosmopolitan hippie dude, and he was indeed that + middle class not South Bronx or West Campton, but he was still a brotha with roots in da street
I would probably say with a vision of the streets or ear for the streets lol I don't think Prince was every actually street | |
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I'd pair Goldnigga with Toni, Tony, Toné's Sons of Soul and have a fine listening experience. It's got a heavy soul vibe unlike any other Prince project. > I feel that the thing about Goldnigga that gets many Prince fans in a snit is in the way that it brings up Black/White tensions, with perhaps a tinge of misogyny--that himself Prince lightly dabbled in early on--to the fore. Language, too. So it tarnishes his rep.
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He probably distance himself from it more than the Black album in 1987 | |
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No, but Get It Up alongside More Bounce To The Ounce was all you'd hear blastin' in dem hoods' cars back in '81. He wasn't it but he knew da vibe to some extent. How many brothers do you read dissin' Gold Nigga? Most orgers are middle-upper middle class whites with Dylan/McCartney/Bowie/Sprinsteen/U2 expectations A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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