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Prince Estate to Release ‘Originals’ Album: His Versions of Songs He Gave to Other Artists (EXCLUSIVE)

Post on Part 2 Discussion Sticky: https://prince.org/msg/7/459740



"Originals" #PRINCE set to be released via @wbr & @tidal on June 7th exclusive to Tidal then a physical cd release June 21st with vinyl a month later.



Source: https://variety.com/2019/music/news/prince-estate-to-release-originals-album-songs-he-gave-to-other-artists-1203197451/

APRIL 24, 2019 6:42PM PT

It’s a rare singer-songwriter who can just give away undeniable hits like “Nothing Compares 2 U,” “Manic Monday” and “The Glamorous Life” to other artists, but that’s exactly what Prince did throughout his 40-year career.


And on his birthday, June 7, the late artist’s estate, in partnership with Warner Bros. Records and Tidal, will release “Originals,” a 15-track album featuring 14 previously unreleased recordings by Prince of such songs. The tracks were selected collaboratively by Troy Carter, on behalf of The Prince Estate, and Jay-Z. (The full tracklist appears below.)

On June 21, Warner Bros. will release the recordings, sourced directly from Prince’s archive of “Vault” recordings, via all download and streaming partners and physically on CD, while 180 gram 2LP and limited edition Deluxe CD+2LP formats will follow on July 19th. (Pre-order the album here.)




Pre-order link: https://store.prince.com/store

You can also purchase from Electric Fetus: https://electricfetus.com/




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Song Title First Released by (Artist: Album – year) Year of Prince’s Recording Included on Originals

1. Sex Shooter Apollonia 6: Apollonia 6 – 1984 1983

2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983

3. Manic Monday The Bangles: Different Light – 1985 1984

4. Noon Rendezvous Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1984

5. Make-Up Vanity 6: Vanity 6 – 1982 1981

6. 100 MPH Mazarati: Mazarati – 1986 1984

7. You’re My Love Kenny Rogers: They Don’t Make Them Like They Used To – 1986 1982

8. Holly Rock Sheila E.: Krush Groove (OST) – 1985 1985

9. Baby, You’re a Trip Jill Jones: Jill Jones – 1987 1982

10. The Glamorous Life Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1983

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too The Time: What Time Is It? – 1982 1982

12. Love… Thy Will Be Done Martika: Martika’s Kitchen – 1991 1991

13. Dear Michaelangelo Sheila E.: Romance 1600 – 1985 1985

14. Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? Taja Sevelle: Taja Sevelle – 1987 1981

15. Nothing Compares 2 U The Family: The Family – 1985 1984


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Reply #1 posted 04/25/19 1:54am

RicoN

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?

Hamburger, Hot Dog, Root Beer, Pussy
Reply #2 posted 04/25/19 2:10am

Vannormal

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Happy for this news, but not all that excited really.

I do love the artwork !

Great artwork !!!

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Well let me assemble this tracklist from the (bad quality) ones I have from bootlegs,

so I can already feel what it's going to be like. wink

Maybe I can change my mind.

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Thing is, there are tons of unknown releases in the vault.

I guess we will never see those before 2030... Hope I'm wrong.

They will always try to make $$ out of stuff most people know.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #3 posted 04/25/19 2:14am

luv4u

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RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?


I never have.

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Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #4 posted 04/25/19 2:14am

TheEnglishGent

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.

RIP sad
Reply #5 posted 04/25/19 2:16am

Krid

This is great - these are mostly killer songs, and I would love to hear Prince's version in a hopefully great sound quality. Crossing fingers they add some nice liner notes too!!!

I have some of these songs on boots, but mostly the sound quality is rather dull - so let's hear them in cristal clear sound biggrin

Reply #6 posted 04/25/19 2:16am

antonb

Well I'll take it. Not really that bothered about hearing sex shooter with his vocals to be honest. And a shame songs like Tear that he did for celine Dion isn't on there, but to have these in hopefully great quality will be nice.
Reply #7 posted 04/25/19 2:35am

bonatoc

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.


Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #8 posted 04/25/19 2:37am

TheEnglishGent

bonatoc said:

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.


Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

I know it won't be, but if it turns out to be the NPG version with Prince vocals, I'll buy it twice biggrin

RIP sad
Reply #9 posted 04/25/19 2:45am

thisisreece

As WhisperingDandelions said in the other thread:


Honestly I think I'm most excited for "Make-Up." One of his most intense and dark new wave tracks, borderline goth electro. I predict a dramatic re-assessment from people who normally write off the Vanity 6 project.

'

I'm the most excited and surprised by the inclusion of this song. It's one of the best songs he didn't put his name to, and probably the strangest. Just the other day I was wodnering what it would sound like with Prince's vocals.

Obviously there are some songs I'd have liked to see, (for instance, 777-9311 would be an incredible opener), but this will be an interesting release and I look forward to it. My only complaint, and its an esoteric one which likely only bothers myself, is that it features 'Baby, You're a Trip'. The Prince version is one of my favourite unreleased songs and I've always wished it would be the final song on a thematic 1999-era album (the sort which would feature songs like 'Purple Music', 'Moonbeam Levels', 'Extraloveable') which this release makes even less likely.

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #10 posted 04/25/19 2:45am

Dandroppedadime

Slightly concerned they might be edited/short versions, as 15 tracks have to fit on 1 CD (70 mins). I would prefer the full length versions ideally and Prince liked to record 10-15 minutes. Not done the math but will we get the full length Glamorous Life or Jungle love? They may use some sort of shorter version for the casual buyer as well. There is mention of a deluxe version to follow?...
Reply #11 posted 04/25/19 2:48am

Kares

luv4u said:

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Deleting posts? Seriously?...

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #12 posted 04/25/19 2:53am

jstar69

WOW- for a double LP I’m thinking we may get some extended/long’ish versions of these songs.

Such an amazing surprise
Reply #13 posted 04/25/19 2:54am

ThePersian

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]

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Reply #14 posted 04/25/19 2:58am

Kares

ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

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You sure you want to hear Prince singing "I'm a kept woman"? smile (But of course he might have written a version in the third person.)

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A ton of other tracks could've been included, they could grow this into a 10CD box easily. But they probably won't.

One of the tracks I'd love to have in pristine quality is 'Open Book'.

[Edited 4/25/19 3:00am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #15 posted 04/25/19 3:04am

jaawwnn

Now THIS is more like it. I'm sure there will be flaws (e.g. the artwork) but I fully support this idea.


[Edited 4/25/19 3:12am]

Reply #16 posted 04/25/19 3:05am

Romeoblu

I'm already putting together my wish list for volume 2

Can't wait for this release. Excellent idea that many of us have been craving.
Reply #17 posted 04/25/19 3:06am

fabriziovenerandi

there was a 94 message thread active...

Reply #18 posted 04/25/19 3:15am

Romeoblu

Hopefully we will get a taster before the release. Maybe even tomorrow.
Reply #19 posted 04/25/19 3:39am

Kares

Dandroppedadime said:

Slightly concerned they might be edited/short versions, as 15 tracks have to fit on 1 CD (70 mins). I would prefer the full length versions ideally and Prince liked to record 10-15 minutes. Not done the math but will we get the full length Glamorous Life or Jungle love? They may use some sort of shorter version for the casual buyer as well. There is mention of a deluxe version to follow?...

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I've put together the album using the album tracks and extended versions of 'Manic Monday' and 'Holly Rock' and it comes out to be 76 minutes which is roughly the maximum for a CD. Of course these are only the versions released on the Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 etc albums, and in many cases Prince's original multitracks were probably longer and it would be great to hear full versions as they are on tape, but it is what it is...

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #20 posted 04/25/19 3:39am

PURPLEIZED3121

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?

yes & it's bloody brilliant! much easier interface than apple etc.

Reply #21 posted 04/25/19 3:44am

PURPLEIZED3121

am I right in thinking that these types of releases are cheaper & easier to release due to copyright issues? For example say the Revolution tracks will have co-write credits etc. Therefore anything that is solo Prince keeps most of the $ within the estate?

Reply #22 posted 04/25/19 3:45am

jaawwnn

It probably means we're still about a decade away from, say, re-releasing the full associated artists with complete Prince demos/guide tracks but i'll take this.

Reply #23 posted 04/25/19 3:48am

TheFman

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!

Reply #24 posted 04/25/19 3:49am

mordang

This is something to look forward too. Rereleases are nice, but this is a step in the right direction. Prince vault material.
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Reply #25 posted 04/25/19 3:52am

mordang

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!



We have....but that's hardly the estate's fault.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
Reply #26 posted 04/25/19 3:55am

LenguaDePlata

What's happened to the other thread?

Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #27 posted 04/25/19 3:56am

MIRvmn

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this. 


I'm very excited about this release cool I like the tracklist and always wanted Dear Michaelangelo in good quality.
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Reply #28 posted 04/25/19 4:07am

scififilmnerd

Great news, even though Sugar Walls ain't on it. razz I'm totally looking forward to this. I suppose the Deluxe CD will be the one to get. biggrin

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Reply #29 posted 04/25/19 4:07am

TheFman

mordang said:

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!

We have....but that's hardly the estate's fault.

But they know we have it and we're supposed to be the buyers, it's not about anybody's "fault" here...

Reply #30 posted 04/25/19 4:13am

IstenSzek

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!


actually, if you look at this in detail, there's quite a bit we don't have yet:

sex shooter
jungle love
manic monday
noon rendesvouz
make-up
you're my love
holly rock
gigolo's get lonely too


and the others we have in pretty shitty quality, so an upgrade is wonderful.





and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #31 posted 04/25/19 4:14am

TheEnglishGent

LenguaDePlata said:

What's happened to the other thread?

Luv probably deleted it? They started both threads anyway and this is the one based on the official announcement.

RIP sad
Reply #32 posted 04/25/19 4:15am

nosajd

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?

yes & it's bloody brilliant! much easier interface than apple etc.


Tidal is great, but it's still not without it's flaws. Don't get me wrong, I agree it is way easier than apple music or spotify. The content they have is pretty impressive. I am a big Tidal fan and have garnered a few new fans of the streaming service and they love it as well.

Reply #33 posted 04/25/19 4:17am

TheEnglishGent

IstenSzek said:

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!


actually, if you look at this in detail, there's quite a bit we don't have yet:

sex shooter
jungle love
manic monday
noon rendesvouz
make-up
you're my love
holly rock
gigolo's get lonely too


and the others we have in pretty shitty quality, so an upgrade is wonderful.






Even if we had all of them, to get them as a release from vault tapes is going to be a huge improvement on some of the ones we do have. And who's to even say that what we have is the same as what we're getting? Might be different versions etc.


RIP sad
Reply #34 posted 04/25/19 4:17am

Kares

TheEnglishGent said:

LenguaDePlata said:

What's happened to the other thread?

Luv probably deleted it? They started both threads anyway and this is the one based on the official announcement.

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She started this thread when the other was already at 94 posts, and when I pointed out this was a dupe she deleted my post without a word.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #35 posted 04/25/19 4:19am

Nasalhair

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!



Speak for yourself. Personally the only thing I have here is "Nothing Compares".

Reply #36 posted 04/25/19 4:26am

sulls

I'm VERY excited about this one. It's gonna be thebomb.com! Considering it's the 'originals', I wish it included Extralovable and In A Large Room With No Light. Those would be GREAT as a digital b-side (hint-hint, Estate)...

"I like to watch."
Reply #37 posted 04/25/19 4:32am

massing

sulls said:

I'm VERY excited about this one. It's gonna be thebomb.com! Considering it's the 'originals', I wish it included Extralovable and In A Large Room With No Light. Those would be GREAT as a digital b-side (hint-hint, Estate)...

These are my 2 most wanted songs but they don't fit the theme of the album, which is songs that Prince gave to other artists, not songs that Prince re-recorded himself in a vastly inferior form.

Reply #38 posted 04/25/19 4:34am

peedub

Why is this dupe thread a sticky?

Why is this tidal release credited to the estate in the thread title?

Will there be a purple vinyl version?

This is why jayzee is a brazilianaire and the eatate is going bankrupt.
Reply #39 posted 04/25/19 4:35am

IstenSzek

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:


actually, if you look at this in detail, there's quite a bit we don't have yet:

sex shooter
jungle love
manic monday
noon rendesvouz
make-up
you're my love
holly rock
gigolo's get lonely too


and the others we have in pretty shitty quality, so an upgrade is wonderful.






Even if we had all of them, to get them as a release from vault tapes is going to be a huge improvement on some of the ones we do have. And who's to even say that what we have is the same as what we're getting? Might be different versions etc.



well i'm excited smile can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #40 posted 04/25/19 4:35am

BartVanHemelen

Kares said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Luv probably deleted it? They started both threads anyway and this is the one based on the official announcement.

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She started this thread when the other was already at 94 posts, and when I pointed out this was a dupe she deleted my post without a word.

.

The other thread was a mess, though, with lots of nonsensical speculation (yeah sure, they were gonna release this album this week -- where do people get these ridiculous ideas?). I can kinda understand them wanting to put up a proper thread, but to not communicate about it...

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Reply #41 posted 04/25/19 4:44am

amokeru

Japanese edition of the album has a bonus track (track #16).

Nothing Compares 2 U (Cinematic Version).

Not sure what exactly this version will be...

https://wmg.jp/prince/discography/20949/


Reply #42 posted 04/25/19 4:44am

jaypotton

So my 2 pence worth...

This is a good release and I am looking forward to it. It could have been better (but my better wouldn't necessarily have been your better).

At first I thought "hey cool they focused on Prince versions of tracks recorded between 81-85, perhaps that means we will get a themed series based in time periods, but no as the Martika song is on there from 91"

Commercially I think this release makes sense. I suspect more likely non-hardcore fans and casuals "might" pick this up for curiosity value. Probably wrong but I suspect this could sell better than, for example, Hit N Run 3 (though personally I would have preferred that).

I truly HOPE the sound quality is good though and as others have said, no/minimal tampering.

Like Databank (on other thread) I would personally like to have seen protege songs grouped together on a release (or added to deluxe versions of the actual protege albums) and songs for other artists on this release but hey ho.

Nonetheless I am more excited for this than I was for Piano & Microphone 83!
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #43 posted 04/25/19 4:46am

Matthaus


14. Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? Taja Sevelle: Taja Sevelle – 1987 1981

I'm excited for this one!

Reply #44 posted 04/25/19 4:50am

Kares

amokeru said:

Japanese edition of the album has a bonus track (track #16).

Nothing Compares 2 U (Cinematic Version).

Not sure what exactly this version will be...

https://wmg.jp/prince/discography/20949/


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I guess it's the videoclip.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #45 posted 04/25/19 4:52am

TheEnglishGent

IstenSzek said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Even if we had all of them, to get them as a release from vault tapes is going to be a huge improvement on some of the ones we do have. And who's to even say that what we have is the same as what we're getting? Might be different versions etc.



well i'm excited smile can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is lol


I'll be ordering the CD on Amazon and streaming it on iTunes. No need to go out to the record store, even if I knew where to find one.

RIP sad
Reply #46 posted 04/25/19 4:55am

darkroman

At first glance this does look great!

Finally a nice clean version of Manic Monday.

I would have liked to have seen on here the other Martika tracks but I suppose we do already have those in fairly decent quality.

Surely we have to expect this to be VOLUME 1 ????

I can imagine the Estate decided to leave off 'Volume 1' as not to stir up speculation about there ever being a Volume 2 but surely this type of project can run into many volumes!!!!!

However, I'm pleased with this release (...or series) lol

lol lol lol

Reply #47 posted 04/25/19 4:56am

IstenSzek

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:


well i'm excited smile can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is lol


I'll be ordering the CD on Amazon and streaming it on iTunes. No need to go out to the record store, even if I knew where to find one.


i stream just about everything these days, but i just like the excitement of buying a record
like this one in an actual store. i'm 40 years old, so yeah lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #48 posted 04/25/19 5:01am

Mikado

Cool release. Sorta weird they didn't include more of the big Time songs - I was under the impression Jungle Love had less of his involvement than some of the earlier tracks. You would think Get It Up, Cool, and 777-9311 would be a shoe-in for a release like this.
[Edited 4/25/19 5:02am]
A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #49 posted 04/25/19 5:07am

darkroman

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!


sad sad sad


Reply #50 posted 04/25/19 5:11am

Kares

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!
sad sad sad

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You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #51 posted 04/25/19 5:15am

lurker316

Are we confident the quality of the songs would have been restored for this release?

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I'm skeptical because to my untrained ears they quality of the bootlegs on PP Deluxe sucked. For example, my bootleg version of Dance Electric is better quality than what appears on that album.

Reply #52 posted 04/25/19 5:16am

darkroman

Kares said:

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!
sad sad sad

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You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.


Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this.

Additionally the deluxe vinyl + CD version is MORE expensive then buying the CD and vinyl as separate items.

Luckily I can afford such things but many fans can't, particularly at the fast rate of releases this year!


neutral

Reply #53 posted 04/25/19 5:17am

Kares

lurker316 said:

Are we confident the quality of the songs would have been restored for this release?

.

I'm skeptical because to my untrained ears they quality of the bootlegs on PP Deluxe sucked. For example, my bootleg version of Dance Electric is better quality than what appears on that album.

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The outtakes on Purple Rain Deluxe were sourced from cassette copies (despite whatever Warners communicated about it), hence the poor quality.

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Hopefully 'Originals' will be the first release that was genuinely sourced from the Vault master tapes.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #54 posted 04/25/19 5:20am

sulls

Just pre-ordered the cd. I CANNOT WAIT!!!

"I like to watch."
Reply #55 posted 04/25/19 5:30am

Kares

darkroman said:

Kares said:

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You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.


Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this.


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(I'm not sure I understand what you mean on "to deliver that age of clique"..)

.

Being a collector doesn't mean being mad about collecting every single editions of the same releases on all formats and from every country on Earth. I'm sorry I don't care about different coloured vinyl or collecting 142 different editions of the same single so obviously I'm not a "true Prince fan" (whatever that might mean) in your eyes. I can live with that.
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My aim in collecting Prince is to collect all of his recordings in the best possible sound quality because MUSIC is my primary interest. So I never even bothered to buy 'The Best Of Prince' for example, I'm sorry. smile

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What you label as 'exploitation' (really? biggrin) is called marketing and if I'd be in charge I'd produce different editions too. That's how the business works and again: no-one is holding a gun to your head to buy every different SKU.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #56 posted 04/25/19 5:35am

TheEnglishGent

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!


sad sad sad


I think even here it's a small minority who want each version of a release, so it's not really exploitative just giving choice. I'll buy the CD and that's it for me.

RIP sad
Reply #57 posted 04/25/19 5:35am

eyewishuheaven

Great news. And now we can get a better understanding of just what kind of shape those old tapes are actually IN.

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #58 posted 04/25/19 5:38am

KingSausage

Gentlemen, I may or may not have soiled my trousers upon seeing this news.

Make-up?!

The Glamorous Life?!!

Love Thy Will Be Done?!!!?!


Fuck yes. I’m very excited. This is an instant pre-order the second an Amazon link goes up. I just hope it’s not brickwalled to hell and back.


And I love the artwork. It’s going to look great on vinyl. RUDE BOY!
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #59 posted 04/25/19 5:39am

TheEnglishGent

IstenSzek said:

TheEnglishGent said:


I'll be ordering the CD on Amazon and streaming it on iTunes. No need to go out to the record store, even if I knew where to find one.


i stream just about everything these days, but i just like the excitement of buying a record
like this one in an actual store. i'm 40 years old, so yeah lol



I certainly understand going to the record store and the excitement that goes with it. I am 50 next year, so had many years of doing just that. But now I like getting home from work and finding it on my doormat, that's exciting to me now. lol

RIP sad
Reply #60 posted 04/25/19 5:41am

KingSausage

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!


sad sad sad






There are colored vinyl versions? Fuck. I’m a sucker for colored vinyl. There go
my Amazon savings! lol
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #61 posted 04/25/19 5:42am

TheEnglishGent

jaypotton said:

So my 2 pence worth... This is a good release and I am looking forward to it. It could have been better (but my better wouldn't necessarily have been your better).

Ain't that always the truth with Prince releases? Which makes me wonder, we must be due another single disc Emancipation thread...

RIP sad
Reply #62 posted 04/25/19 5:43am

sulls

TheEnglishGent said:

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!


sad sad sad


I think even here it's a small minority who want each version of a release, so it's not really exploitative just giving choice. I'll buy the CD and that's it for me.

Same. One can really go overboard and spend a mint collecting every version of a release. There was a time when I would probably count myself in that number. Now, personally, I'm just in it for the music. CD is plenty fine for me.

[Edited 4/25/19 5:44am]

"I like to watch."
Reply #63 posted 04/25/19 6:11am

DarkKnight1

Take my money. All of it.

(Insert something clever here)
Reply #64 posted 04/25/19 6:14am

BartVanHemelen

darkroman said:

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors.

.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...e_Scotsman

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #65 posted 04/25/19 6:16am

BartVanHemelen

Kares said:

darkroman said:


Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this.


.
(I'm not sure I understand what you mean on "to deliver that age of clique"..)

.

They meant "age-old cliché", but considering the difference between "then" and "than" was too hard for them to grasp...

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #66 posted 04/25/19 6:28am

TheEnglishGent

Kares said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Luv probably deleted it? They started both threads anyway and this is the one based on the official announcement.

.
She started this thread when the other was already at 94 posts, and when I pointed out this was a dupe she deleted my post without a word.

The previous thread served it's purpose but was full of speculation. Now there's an official announcement with proper details it makes sense to have a new clean thread for discussion.

RIP sad
Reply #67 posted 04/25/19 6:39am

delirious

bonatoc said:

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.


Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though smile

Cheers...

Reply #68 posted 04/25/19 6:52am

brassneck

I cannot imagine NOT being excited about this news. A release like this is EXACTLY what the estate should be doing and speaks to the potential of what may be forthcoming.

Reply #69 posted 04/25/19 6:54am

Kares

delirious said:

bonatoc said:


Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though smile

Cheers...

.
I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #70 posted 04/25/19 6:56am

djThunderfunk

scififilmnerd said:

Great news, even though Sugar Walls ain't on it. razz I'm totally looking forward to this. I suppose the Deluxe CD will be the one to get. biggrin


I have a feeling that when they say "and limited edition Deluxe CD+2LP formats will follow" that "Deluxe" could very well mean the CD and the 2LP in one package. I mean, if it was meant as Deluxe CD or Deluxe 2LP, wouldn't the 2LP be more than 2? 3LP maybe?

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #71 posted 04/25/19 6:57am

djThunderfunk

IstenSzek said:

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!


actually, if you look at this in detail, there's quite a bit we don't have yet:

sex shooter
jungle love
manic monday
noon rendesvouz
make-up
you're my love
holly rock
gigolo's get lonely too


and the others we have in pretty shitty quality, so an upgrade is wonderful.






Agreed! Totally down for this. headbang

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #72 posted 04/25/19 7:03am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Kares said:

delirious said:

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though smile

Cheers...

.
I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

Reply #73 posted 04/25/19 7:03am

sulls

So, assuming we'll get a single, what would y'all want it to be? I'm thinking maybe Manic Monday since the Bangles had such a huge hit with it.

"I like to watch."
Reply #74 posted 04/25/19 7:03am

djThunderfunk

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:


well i'm excited smile can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is lol


I'll be ordering the CD on Amazon and streaming it on iTunes. No need to go out to the record store, even if I knew where to find one.


I'll go to the record store, even if it's a couple dollars more, just to support a local business and an independant record store. And for the nostalgia. wink

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #75 posted 04/25/19 7:04am

lurker316

Kares said:

delirious said:

I wouldn't count on pristine versions of any of this - remember the Moonbeam Levels release? I think they just released the bootleg version - at least it sounded like it. Let's maintain hope though smile

Cheers...

.
I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

.

Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

.

And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

.

I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

Reply #76 posted 04/25/19 7:06am

Kares

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

.
I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

.

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #77 posted 04/25/19 7:08am

djThunderfunk

Kares said:

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!
sad sad sad

.
You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.


Yeah. Pick your favorite and skip the others. If we had to buy all of them to get all the music (like if they each had a track exclusive from the others), that would be exploitative. As it is, if you collect all versions then cool, you have something to collect, if you don't, no pressure.

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #78 posted 04/25/19 7:12am

djThunderfunk

darkroman said:

Kares said:

.
You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to.


Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this.

Additionally the deluxe vinyl + CD version is MORE expensive then buying the CD and vinyl as separate items.

Luckily I can afford such things but many fans can't, particularly at the fast rate of releases this year!


neutral


So, fans who don't buy every variation aren't Prince fans?!? falloff Come on, that's silly. Lots of Prince fans don't have one version of every release, much less every version of every release.

I didn't buy the 2018 RSD exclusive 1999 single LP because I have the original UK 1999 single LP. Guess I'm not a Prince fan, huh? lol

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #79 posted 04/25/19 7:14am

Kares

lurker316 said:

Kares said:

.
I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

.

Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

.

And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

.

I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

.
The Estate wasn't really involved in producing Purple Rain Deluxe and it was done at the time when Warners didn't yet have access to the vault in Paisley Park. Prince only gave them the album itself (remastered, quite badly) a few years earlier, so the rest is what Warners was able to gather from their own copies of mastertapes (for the singles) and cassettes (for the outtakes). That's all they had to work with.
.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #80 posted 04/25/19 7:17am

rdhull

Gigolos
Make-Up
Michaengelo
J Love
Noon Rendezvous
Holly Rock

This release is so eclectic and satisfying thus far. I’m hyped.
c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #81 posted 04/25/19 7:18am

djThunderfunk

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

.
I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.


Because of A/B comparisons between bootleg and official releases and because of the difference in quality between the "vault" releases and... every other official release.

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #82 posted 04/25/19 7:20am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Kares said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Why people keep repeating this conspiracy theory without ANY proof is beyond me.

.

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

Like I said, no proof. I will continue to think (notice I said think, not state it as fact) that it's not a coincidence that the studio tapes of virtually all of the "new" songs that we've heard, official or otherwise, since after he announced his new deal with WB are all there, either right beside each other or in close proximity, in the police vault pictures.

Reply #83 posted 04/25/19 7:20am

Romeoblu

I hope noon rendezvous is closer to the live rendition than the Glamourous Life album version. It will be interesting to get track timings.
Reply #84 posted 04/25/19 7:22am

SchlomoThaHomo

Can't wait to crank Holly Rock and Sex Shooter in the Jeep this summer. Just watched the Sex Shooter video to whet my appetite. Forgot about the little storyline. lol She makes the little tap on the cymbal look absolutely rapturous! Who says she couldn't act? lol lol

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #85 posted 04/25/19 7:23am

andykeen

Am I the only one annoyed by the artwork. Like to me, the album should represent his dirty mind recordings because of the artwork.

Keenmeister
Reply #86 posted 04/25/19 7:24am

djThunderfunk

luv4u said:

Song Title First Released by (Artist: Album – year) Year of Prince’s Recording Included on Originals

1. Sex Shooter Apollonia 6: Apollonia 6 – 1984 1983

2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983

3. Manic Monday The Bangles: Different Light – 1985 1984

4. Noon Rendezvous Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1984

5. Make-Up Vanity 6: Vanity 6 – 1982 1981

6. 100 MPH Mazarati: Mazarati – 1986 1984

7. You’re My Love Kenny Rogers: They Don’t Make Them Like They Used To – 1986 1982

8. Holly Rock Sheila E.: Krush Groove (OST) – 1985 1985

9. Baby, You’re a Trip Jill Jones: Jill Jones – 1987 1982

10. The Glamorous Life Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1983

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too The Time: What Time Is It? – 1982 1982

12. Love… Thy Will Be Done Martika: Martika’s Kitchen – 1991 1991

13. Dear Michaelangelo Sheila E.: Romance 1600 – 1985 1985

14. Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? Taja Sevelle: Taja Sevelle – 1987 1981

15. Nothing Compares 2 U The Family: The Family – 1985 1984


100 MPH, Baby You're A Trip, Love They Will Be Done!!! These 3 excite me the most.

Wonder what Jesse thinks about the inclusion of Jungle Love? Will his writing credit be restored?

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #87 posted 04/25/19 7:24am

IstenSzek

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:


i stream just about everything these days, but i just like the excitement of buying a record
like this one in an actual store. i'm 40 years old, so yeah lol



I certainly understand going to the record store and the excitement that goes with it. I am 50 next year, so had many years of doing just that. But now I like getting home from work and finding it on my doormat, that's exciting to me now. lol


can't argue with that biggrin i'll probably end up getting my copy online, too. i'm sure i won't be able
to hold out for another day before i pre-order it somewhere biggrin


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #88 posted 04/25/19 7:25am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Kares said:

lurker316 said:

.

Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

.

And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

.

I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

.
The Estate wasn't really involved in producing Purple Rain Deluxe and it was done at the time when Warners didn't yet have access to the vault in Paisley Park. Prince only gave them the album itself (remastered, quite badly) a few years earlier, so the rest is what Warners was able to gather from their own copies of mastertapes (for the singles) and cassettes (for the outtakes). That's all they had to work with.
.

More speculation passed as fact. Unless you worked on Purple Rain Deluxe or have had a conversation with someone that did you don't know what WB had to work with.

Reply #89 posted 04/25/19 7:30am

Kares

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

.

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.

Like I said, no proof. I will continue to think (notice I said think, not state it as fact) that it's not a coincidence that the studio tapes of virtually all of the "new" songs that we've heard, official or otherwise, since after he announced his new deal with WB are all there, either right beside each other or in close proximity, in the police vault pictures.

.

Like I said, it's proof FOR ME. I've no intention to convince you.
.

But I don't know what you mean on that "it's no coincidence" that all the new songs are there next to each other? Are they? biggrin (Pls see the Vault database files in my signature, it contains all the titles I could read from the police photos.) And what are you implying?

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #90 posted 04/25/19 7:33am

TheFreakerFantastic

Finally, the estate are coming up with something decent, so thanks for listening! (I was starting to lose hope due to all silence and the rush release last year but this really is exciting).

Can't wait to hear the full qualiy version of Baby You're A Trip (hoping it is the 81/82 version but seems to be), I think his version is one of his all time best songs tbh, just for the sheer passion in it.

It will also be really cool to hear his versions of Sex Shooter, Jungle Love and Dear Michaelangelo, bet they are funky as hell!

There are other songs, true, but these are a good choice and it also lays open the possibility of a series of Originals Part 2 to come later if this goes down well.

They have also chosen well with the cover design, love it.

This all just to goes to show that the estate are clearly running a tight ship security wise now as no-one had any inkling this was coming, even the so called people in the know like Funkenberry said they'd be nothing until 2021 which was thankfully, as I suspected, bullshit.

This also gives hope that the 1999 Deluxe may still be a possibility later this year (despite someone on here claiming to be in the know saying it wasn't true, despite no evidence.)

[Edited 4/25/19 7:35am]

Reply #91 posted 04/25/19 7:34am

Loefie

I’m looking forward to it!!!!! I’ve got some songs, but love to have them in good quality. Bring it on!!!!!
Produced, Arranged, Composed & Performed by PRINCE


"Rotterdam, we come to jam!"
Reply #92 posted 04/25/19 7:35am

ThirdStrike

I see this is available for pre-order through the official Prince website. But I can't find it yet on Amazon. Anyone have a link for the pre-order (US version)?

Reply #93 posted 04/25/19 7:37am

ideation99

Finally, something to get excited about!! Great concept, hopefully this does well so they can add additional volumes in the future. Obviously many more songs they could still put out with his vocals and music.

Cannot wait for Noon Rendezvous!! Not gonna lie, dissapointed not to have G-Spot or Neon Telephone. But at least this is a good start. Bring it on!!

Reply #94 posted 04/25/19 7:38am

feeluupp

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Finally, the estate are coming up with something decent, so thanks for listening! (I was starting to lose hope due to all silence and the rush release last year but this really is exciting).

Can't wait to hear the full qualiy version of Baby You're A Trip (hoping it is the 81/82 version but seems to be), I think his version is one of his all time best songs tbh, just for the sheer passion in it.

It will also be really cool to hear his versions of Sex Shooter, Jungle Love and Dear Michaelangelo, bet they are funky as hell!

There are other songs, true, but these are a good choice and it also lays open the possibility of a series of Originals Part 2 to come later if this goes down well.

They have also chosen well with the cover design, love it.

This all just to goes to show that the estate are clearly running a tight ship security wise now as no-one had any inkling this was coming, even the so called people in the know like Funkenberry said they'd be nothing until 2021 which was thankfully, as I suspected, bullshit.

This also gives hope that the 1999 Deluxe may still be a possibility later this year (despite someone on here claiming to be in the know saying it wasn't true, despite no evidence.)

[Edited 4/25/19 7:35am]

That would be ROD...

Funny Jon Bream stated that 1999 Deluxe is complete and will be released 4th quarter holiday season.

Reply #95 posted 04/25/19 7:41am

lurker316

Kares said:

lurker316 said:

.

Do we know for certain the stuff so far has been sourced from cassettes? Has that actually been confirmed/admitted? Or is that just an educated guess based on how poor they sound?

.

And why would they do that? Why not go into the vault and pull the original tapes, restore them, and put those on the album? Simply because they were in a rush to release content?

.

I've stated in other threads that I'm no audiophile and don't necessarily notice subtle differences in music quality, but the stuff on PP Deluxe jumped out at me. Dance Electric in particular. You don't need a sophisticated ear to hear that it's far inferior to the bootleg version.

.
The Estate wasn't really involved in producing Purple Rain Deluxe and it was done at the time when Warners didn't yet have access to the vault in Paisley Park. Prince only gave them the album itself (remastered, quite badly) a few years earlier, so the rest is what Warners was able to gather from their own copies of mastertapes (for the singles) and cassettes (for the outtakes). That's all they had to work with.
.

.

(A bit off-topic, but...) What do you think is bad about the PR remasters?

.

Reply #96 posted 04/25/19 7:46am

djThunderfunk

luv4u said:

Song Title First Released by (Artist: Album – year) Year of Prince’s Recording Included on Originals

1. Sex Shooter Apollonia 6: Apollonia 6 – 1984 1983

2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983

3. Manic Monday The Bangles: Different Light – 1985 1984

4. Noon Rendezvous Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1984

5. Make-Up Vanity 6: Vanity 6 – 1982 1981

6. 100 MPH Mazarati: Mazarati – 1986 1984

7. You’re My Love Kenny Rogers: They Don’t Make Them Like They Used To – 1986 1982

8. Holly Rock Sheila E.: Krush Groove (OST) – 1985 1985

9. Baby, You’re a Trip Jill Jones: Jill Jones – 1987 1982

10. The Glamorous Life Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1983

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too The Time: What Time Is It? – 1982 1982

12. Love… Thy Will Be Done Martika: Martika’s Kitchen – 1991 1991

13. Dear Michaelangelo Sheila E.: Romance 1600 – 1985 1985

14. Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? Taja Sevelle: Taja Sevelle – 1987 1981

15. Nothing Compares 2 U The Family: The Family – 1985 1984


Looking through my boots, it looks like we have:

3. Manic Monday (low quality) whoops! No, I was thinking of the Apollonia 6 version.

6. 100 MPH (awful quality)

9. Baby, You're A Trip (decent quality)

10. The Glamorous Life (decent quality)

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (decent quality)

13. Dear Michaelangelo (low quality)

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? (decent quality)

15. Nothing Compares 2 U (excellent quality)

That's less than half with most in need of an upgrade. So, for everyone other than the "elite" hoarders, this should be a welcome release. Who want to bet some of these tracks leak in better quality than we've had over the next 2 months? wink

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https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #97 posted 04/25/19 7:47am

KlyphIsBackAgain

Kares said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Like I said, no proof. I will continue to think (notice I said think, not state it as fact) that it's not a coincidence that the studio tapes of virtually all of the "new" songs that we've heard, official or otherwise, since after he announced his new deal with WB are all there, either right beside each other or in close proximity, in the police vault pictures.

.

Like I said, it's proof FOR ME. I've no intention to convince you.
.

But I don't know what you mean on that "it's no coincidence" that all the new songs are there next to each other? Are they? biggrin (Pls see the Vault database files in my signature, it contains all the titles I could read from the police photos.) And what are you implying?

Yes, the tapes are pretty much all together in one of the pics. I'm implying this: PR Deluxe gets announced. Prince (or an associate) goes through the vault, finds some stuff to give to WB for the album, makes some basic stereo mixdown and give it to them (more than likely in MP3 format) to listen to/choose from/etc. Between the the time it's announced and finally comes out bootleg versions of many of the songs (including some that ended up on PR Deluxe) are leaked (more than likely from someone at WB or involved in the project somewhere). Almost ALL of the tapes of those leaked and official "new" songs are next to each in one of the vault pics (Come Electra Tuesday, Love and Sex, Velvet Kitty , Moonbeam Levels, Electric Intercourse, etc).

Prince keeps dicking around, never gets the actual multi-tracks to WB, keeps putting off remastering PR (I doubt WB actually wanted him to be the one to do it anyway), finally gets it done, dies. WB ends up using the subpar digital files that Prince gave them....but they are not cassette copies. Might as well be, but they're not.

Reply #98 posted 04/25/19 7:49am

Genesia

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.


I'm so excited, I wet myself a little when I read about it on Facebook. I'm so excited, I will probably buy it twice - as a download and on vinyl.

I am not excited enough to pay for Tidal, however.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #99 posted 04/25/19 7:53am

Genesia

darkroman said:

I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!


sad sad sad



Please learn the difference between an expectation and a choice. Thank you.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #100 posted 04/25/19 7:53am

djThunderfunk

lurker316 said:

Kares said:

.
The Estate wasn't really involved in producing Purple Rain Deluxe and it was done at the time when Warners didn't yet have access to the vault in Paisley Park. Prince only gave them the album itself (remastered, quite badly) a few years earlier, so the rest is what Warners was able to gather from their own copies of mastertapes (for the singles) and cassettes (for the outtakes). That's all they had to work with.
.

.

(A bit off-topic, but...) What do you think is bad about the PR remasters?

.


I'll answer that. The PR remaster is the absolute worst example of brickwalling of any Prince release ever. It's so distorted that it is literally painful to listen to. Sure, some of the quiet parts of The Beautiful Ones sound amazing, then you get to the loud parts of Darling Nikki and it's just distorted noise. It's awful. It's unlistenable. It's a waste of the disc it was pressed on. The original master is superior in every single way imaginable. If the original CD doesn't do it for you, find an original vinyl or the 180gm vinyl rerelease. Avoid the PR remaster at all costs. Buy it for the vault tracks, just don't ever play the album.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course... wink

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Reply #101 posted 04/25/19 7:56am

lurker316

djThunderfunk said:


Looking through my boots, it looks like we have:

3. Manic Monday (low quality) whoops! No, I was thinking of the Apollonia 6 version.

6. 100 MPH (awful quality)

9. Baby, You're A Trip (decent quality)

10. The Glamorous Life (decent quality)

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (decent quality)

13. Dear Michaelangelo (low quality)

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? (decent quality)

15. Nothing Compares 2 U (excellent quality)

That's less than half with most in need of an upgrade. So, for everyone other than the "elite" hoarders, this should be a welcome release. Who want to bet some of these tracks leak in better quality than we've had over the next 2 months? wink

.

I have an instrumental version of Jungle Love that's labeled "Original Jesse Johnson Demo". Anyone know if such a thing truely exists? Is what I have legit or some fanmade song?

.

The only other things I have on that list as a decent (not great, but not horrible) copy of 100 MPH and the standalone version of NC2U that was released last year.

.

Reply #102 posted 04/25/19 7:57am

IstenSzek

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Finally, the estate are coming up with something decent, so thanks for listening! (I was starting to lose hope due to all silence and the rush release last year but this really is exciting).

Can't wait to hear the full qualiy version of Baby You're A Trip (hoping it is the 81/82 version but seems to be), I think his version is one of his all time best songs tbh, just for the sheer passion in it.

It will also be really cool to hear his versions of Sex Shooter, Jungle Love and Dear Michaelangelo, bet they are funky as hell!

There are other songs, true, but these are a good choice and it also lays open the possibility of a series of Originals Part 2 to come later if this goes down well.

They have also chosen well with the cover design, love it.

This all just to goes to show that the estate are clearly running a tight ship security wise now as no-one had any inkling this was coming, even the so called people in the know like Funkenberry said they'd be nothing until 2021 which was thankfully, as I suspected, bullshit.

This also gives hope that the 1999 Deluxe may still be a possibility later this year (despite someone on here claiming to be in the know saying it wasn't true, despite no evidence.)

[Edited 4/25/19 7:35am]



actually, funkenberry said there would be no releases of post WB era material, or of the last things
prince recorded, until 2021.

he followed that up by saying that there would be releases, in fact there were a couple compilations
that would be released before that time.

far as i can tell, "Originals" is in fact a compilation. so funkenberry did know. i guess everyone was
aksed to keep quiet about it and it was intended to be a surprise to be announced at celebration '19.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #103 posted 04/25/19 8:00am

djThunderfunk

lurker316 said:

djThunderfunk said:


Looking through my boots, it looks like we have:

3. Manic Monday (low quality) whoops! No, I was thinking of the Apollonia 6 version.

6. 100 MPH (awful quality)

9. Baby, You're A Trip (decent quality)

10. The Glamorous Life (decent quality)

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (decent quality)

13. Dear Michaelangelo (low quality)

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? (decent quality)

15. Nothing Compares 2 U (excellent quality)

That's less than half with most in need of an upgrade. So, for everyone other than the "elite" hoarders, this should be a welcome release. Who want to bet some of these tracks leak in better quality than we've had over the next 2 months? wink

.

I have an instrumental version of Jungle Love that's labeled "Original Jesse Johnson Demo". Anyone know if such a thing truely exists? Is what I have legit or some fanmade song?

.

The only other things I have on that list as a decent (not great, but not horrible) copy of 100 MPH and the standalone version of NC2U that was released last year.

.


From PrinceVault:

"Jesse Johnson demoed the song, likely in 1982 on a Tascam 8-track recorder in his Cedar Square West Apartment, playing guitar, bass guitar and keyboard (Oberheim OB-SX), over a Roland 808 Drum Machine beat. He presented it to Prince who then took it to flesh it out with Johnson and Morris Day."

https://www.princevault.c...ungle_Love

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #104 posted 04/25/19 8:02am

Urine

This looks cool.

someone else suggested a single tomorrow. That would b cool.

I vote 4 Love Thy Wll Be Done.

Reply #105 posted 04/25/19 8:03am

Kares

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Kares said:

.

Like I said, it's proof FOR ME. I've no intention to convince you.
.

But I don't know what you mean on that "it's no coincidence" that all the new songs are there next to each other? Are they? biggrin (Pls see the Vault database files in my signature, it contains all the titles I could read from the police photos.) And what are you implying?

Yes, the tapes are pretty much all together in one of the pics. I'm implying this: PR Deluxe gets announced. Prince (or an associate) goes through the vault, finds some stuff to give to WB for the album, makes some basic stereo mixdown and give it to them (more than likely in MP3 format) to listen to/choose from/etc. Between the the time it's announced and finally comes out bootleg versions of many of the songs (including some that ended up on PR Deluxe) are leaked (more than likely from someone at WB or involved in the project somewhere). Almost ALL of the tapes of those leaked and official "new" songs are next to each in one of the vault pics (Come Electra Tuesday, Love and Sex, Velvet Kitty , Moonbeam Levels, Electric Intercourse, etc).

Prince keeps dicking around, never gets the actual multi-tracks to WB, keeps putting off remastering PR (I doubt WB actually wanted him to be the one to do it anyway), finally gets it done, dies. WB ends up using the subpar digital files that Prince gave them....but they are not cassette copies. Might as well be, but they're not.

.
Could you please show me the photo where you've seen "almost all of the tapes of those leaked and official new songs are next to each other"? Or look them up on my PP Vault spreadsheet (see link below) and tell me the photo number?
Make sure they are mixdown tapes and not multitracks, because multitracks aren't needed to put together a release. So Prince never would've delivered the multitracks to Warners anyway.
.
Note that at least one of the heirs confirmed in an interview that PRD was put together by Warners without their involvement. Also: while both mp3 files and cassette copies sound inferior to a master, they sound DIFFERENT. The negative side-effects of mp3 encoding and of a cassette tape are very different and distinctive. The PRD outtakes were not sourced from mp3 but from cassettes.
.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #106 posted 04/25/19 8:05am

IstenSzek

Urine said:

This looks cool.

someone else suggested a single tomorrow. That would b cool.

I vote 4 Love Thy Wll Be Done.



i would love that eek cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #107 posted 04/25/19 8:06am

djThunderfunk

Kares said:

Also: while both mp3 files and cassette copies sound inferior to a master, they sound DIFFERENT. The negative side-effects of mp3 encoding and of a cassette tape are very different and distinctive. The PRD outtakes were not sourced from mp3 but from cassettes.


yeahthat

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
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Reply #108 posted 04/25/19 8:20am

rapper

Bravo. I am really looking forward to this.

Reply #109 posted 04/25/19 8:21am

jaypotton

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Can't wait to crank Holly Rock and Sex Shooter in the Jeep this summer. Just watched the Sex Shooter video to whet my appetite. Forgot about the little storyline.  lol  She makes the little tap on the cymbal look absolutely rapturous! Who says she couldn't act?  lol lol



Oh man watching that was nostalgic! Those songs were the soundtrack to my early teens. Watching that cleavage, err I mean video is it any wonder I grew up a bit Pervy LOL
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
Reply #110 posted 04/25/19 8:34am

LenguaDePlata

ideation99 said:

Finally, something to get excited about!!  Great concept, hopefully this does well so they can add additional volumes in the future.  Obviously many more songs they could still put out with his vocals and music.  


 


Cannot wait for Noon Rendezvous!!  Not gonna lie, dissapointed not to have G-Spot or Neon Telephone. But at least this is a good start.  Bring it on!!


If Noon Rendezvous is similar to the rehearsal, with all the guitar work and the ‘sitting in this cafe, waiting for my baby’ coda, that will be so sweet...
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #111 posted 04/25/19 8:36am

timmie

cool

this should finish off the contracts with Tidal & WB too !

Reply #112 posted 04/25/19 8:42am

rdhull

LenguaDePlata said:

ideation99 said:

Finally, something to get excited about!!  Great concept, hopefully this does well so they can add additional volumes in the future.  Obviously many more songs they could still put out with his vocals and music.  


 


Cannot wait for Noon Rendezvous!!  Not gonna lie, dissapointed not to have G-Spot or Neon Telephone. But at least this is a good start.  Bring it on!!


If Noon Rendezvous is similar to the rehearsal, with all the guitar work and the ‘sitting in this cafe, waiting for my baby’ coda, that will be so sweet...

Donut that’s what’s coming as the cafe bit was from the live and rehearsal
c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #113 posted 04/25/19 8:42am

LenguaDePlata

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Can't wait to crank Holly Rock and Sex Shooter in the Jeep this summer. Just watched the Sex Shooter video to whet my appetite. Forgot about the little storyline.  lol  She makes the little tap on the cymbal look absolutely rapturous! Who says she couldn't act?  lol lol


The line ‘I’m a sex shooter, shooting love in your direction’ is going to sound a lot more... erm... literal in a guy’s voice...
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #114 posted 04/25/19 8:47am

TheEnglishGent

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This all just to goes to show that the estate are clearly running a tight ship security wise now as no-one had any inkling this was coming, even the so called people in the know like Funkenberry said they'd be nothing until 2021 which was thankfully, as I suspected, bullshit.


We knew this release was coming, we just didn't have any idea what form it would take. We knew there was going to be a release in assosciation with Tidal, this is it.

RIP sad
Reply #115 posted 04/25/19 9:03am

PennyPurple

Can't wait!! Awesome news.

Reply #116 posted 04/25/19 9:06am

feeluupp

Remember the press release said it would be new music, guess it is "new music" that has never been officially released.

Many people were assuming it was HitnRun 3, or Black Is The New Black.

TheEnglishGent said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This all just to goes to show that the estate are clearly running a tight ship security wise now as no-one had any inkling this was coming, even the so called people in the know like Funkenberry said they'd be nothing until 2021 which was thankfully, as I suspected, bullshit.


We knew this release was coming, we just didn't have any idea what form it would take. We knew there was going to be a release in assosciation with Tidal, this is it.

Reply #117 posted 04/25/19 9:06am

PURPLEIZED3121

nosajd said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

yes & it's bloody brilliant! much easier interface than apple etc.


Tidal is great, but it's still not without it's flaws. Don't get me wrong, I agree it is way easier than apple music or spotify. The content they have is pretty impressive. I am a big Tidal fan and have garnered a few new fans of the streaming service and they love it as well.

agreed. The most annoying thing is my playlist for associated artists inc Vanity 6 / Apollia 6, ALL The Family tracks [!] are no longer available.

Besides that they seem to have everything I want.

Reply #118 posted 04/25/19 9:10am

PURPLEIZED3121

this is a truly great release for casual fans, the majority of which won't even understand the whole 'he did these tracks first' scenario!

Really hope the liner notes are great.

Reply #119 posted 04/25/19 9:11am

PURPLEIZED3121

feeluupp said:

Remember the press release said it would be new music, guess it is "new music" that has never been officially released.

Many people were assuming it was HitnRun 3, or Black Is The New Black.

TheEnglishGent said:


We knew this release was coming, we just didn't have any idea what form it would take. We knew there was going to be a release in assosciation with Tidal, this is it.

must admit I am a bit gutted that it's not these instead BUT happy non the less.

Reply #120 posted 04/25/19 9:19am

eyewishuheaven

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Really hope the liner notes are great.


I hope they're in the 1CD version at all. I bought that version of P&M83 thinking they would be, and was sorely disappointed...

PRINCE: the only man who could wear high heels and makeup and STILL steal your woman!
Reply #121 posted 04/25/19 9:34am

djThunderfunk

eyewishuheaven said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Really hope the liner notes are great.


I hope they're in the 1CD version at all. I bought that version of P&M83 thinking they would be, and was sorely disappointed...


Exactly. Liner notes should be in every physical release, not a bonus for a deluxe version.

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Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
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Reply #122 posted 04/25/19 9:43am

SanDiegoFunkDaddy

Going to be a great release that I'll buy. I hope they don't brickwall and digitally enhance the music too much

Reply #123 posted 04/25/19 9:55am

tmcjb

This is going to be a fantastic release. I can't wait to see how it turns out. I'm also really curious about the Japanese bonus track of "Nothing Compares 2 U (Cinematic Version)"...I wonder if it's an alternate mix.

I also hope the track times get posted soon so we see if they're edits or the full-length versions.

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
Reply #124 posted 04/25/19 9:57am

homesquid

Very intriguing. If the sound quality is professional I'm in. I'll wait for the sound samples

Reply #125 posted 04/25/19 10:04am

laytonian

Dandroppedadime said:

Slightly concerned they might be edited/short versions, as 15 tracks have to fit on 1 CD (70 mins). I would prefer the full length versions ideally and Prince liked to record 10-15 minutes. Not done the math but will we get the full length Glamorous Life or Jungle love? They may use some sort of shorter version for the casual buyer as well. There is mention of a deluxe version to follow?...


The deluxe version is the CD and double LP.

But these are P's demos of the versions that others recorded from (or OVER) -- the FAMILIAR versions people will want to hear. The general public will love this.

So will I. But no Tidal. I'll wait for the CD to drop. Hopefully, Electric Fetus will get the CD early while I'm in MPLS.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
Reply #126 posted 04/25/19 10:05am

jcurley

There's only 4 hits on it. Thus is purely fan base stuff or is that the point.
Reply #127 posted 04/25/19 10:05am

TwiliteKid

andykeen said:

Am I the only one annoyed by the artwork. Like to me, the album should represent his dirty mind recordings because of the artwork.

I like it. But to your point - how would solve this problem for any future era-spanning collections? If you can only choose one photo, which do you choose?

Reply #128 posted 04/25/19 10:06am

KingSausage

djThunderfunk said:

 



eyewishuheaven said:


 



PURPLEIZED3121 said:


 


 


Really hope the liner notes are great. 




I hope they're in the 1CD version at all. I bought that version of P&M83 thinking they would be, and was sorely disappointed...




Exactly. Liner notes should be in every physical release, not a bonus for a deluxe version.




Crap. I ordered the white vinyl from the Prince store, and planned on ordering the CD from Amazon. I didn’t even think about the fact that the non-deluxe CD edition might not have liner notes. Fuuuuuck
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
-Eugene Tackleberry
Reply #129 posted 04/25/19 10:28am

TheEnglishGent

Just ordered the cd from amazon uk. Very much looking forward to this.
RIP sad
Reply #130 posted 04/25/19 10:35am

Doozer

From a thread I started that got locked:

http://prince.org/msg/7/459201

Do NOT pre-order the physical release of "Originals" in the same order with The Beautiful Ones book from the estate (prince.com), or you'll be stuck waiting for the October release of the book to get your CD/vinyl, as it's their policy to ship all pre-orders together. Order them separately.


Pre-order sales are final on the estate store, too, so you can't cancel/modify your order.



[Edited 4/25/19 10:36am]

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Reply #131 posted 04/25/19 10:41am

GiggityGoo

Wow. I popped into this thread to just see how many people would be complaining about getting an album full of songs they've already had in crappy 64kps fourth-generation quality for years...

.

...but it seems like most people are happy about this. Yay! I certainly am. This is going to be a great release for someone like me, a fan of his 80s output.

Reply #132 posted 04/25/19 10:47am

Philly76

This is not what i was looking for, sorry.
I am tired of all that 80s music, my hope was tidal will release
some stuff from the 2010s or at least some tunes we never heard before.
Boring.
Reply #133 posted 04/25/19 10:54am

FragileUndertow

IstenSzek said:

well i'm excited smile can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is lol



Assuming you live in the USA. lol
Target should have it. They had Purple Rain set on CD and Viynal, the piano session CD.

I litteraly live a 5 minute drive from Target, so I'll probably get a copy there
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #134 posted 04/25/19 11:04am

LenguaDePlata

Silly question (because I guess nobody knows at this stage), but what is the Deluxe versión going to include that makes it more expensive than the vinyl and cd together? Not more music (which is the only thing I want to be honest), so what?
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #135 posted 04/25/19 11:11am

Romeoblu

I already put together a volume 2.

Telepathy
101
Love 89
Sticky Wicked
Come Home
Train
If I Love u 2nite
The Sex Of It
Baby Go Go
Eternity
Neon Telephone
ALL Day All Night
The Screams of Passion
Yo Mister
I Guess I'm Crazy.
[Edited 4/25/19 11:12am]
Reply #136 posted 04/25/19 11:12am

IstenSzek

FragileUndertow said:

IstenSzek said:
well i'm excited smile can't wait. it'll be fun to be able to buy a 'new' prince album in a store.

if i can still find a record store, that is lol

Assuming you live in the USA. lol Target should have it. They had Purple Rain set on CD and Viynal, the piano session CD. I litteraly live a 5 minute drive from Target, so I'll probably get a copy there


netherlands, so no target or the likes mad i wish we had one, i like them smile


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #137 posted 04/25/19 11:13am

Germanegro

Happy to hear about the new collection to come! Yes, I will buy it. biggrin

Reply #138 posted 04/25/19 11:15am

IstenSzek

Romeoblu said:

I already put together a volume 2. Telepathy 101 Love 89 Sticky Wicked Come Home Train If I Love u 2nite The Sex Of It Baby Go Go Eternity Neon Telephone ALL Day All Night The Screams of Passion Yo Mister I Guess I'm Crazy. [Edited 4/25/19 11:12am]


the beautiful thing about "originals" is that it has at least half the tracks on there
that we have never heard with prince on vocals.

most of the other ones we know about, we already own.

i would still beat someone over the head with a sack of my savings to purchase a
volume or six, seven of an "original" series.

plus, there's the possibility of things like "interesting", "time waits 4 no one" and
"jaguar" with prince vocals drool

but for now, i'm glad we're not getting exactly what we might have chosen, since
it makes for some stuff i'd have never imagined would be in the vault with prince
vocals, like for instance 'make-up'

purse ky






[Edited 4/25/19 11:17am]

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #139 posted 04/25/19 11:29am

LenguaDePlata

IstenSzek said:

 



Romeoblu said:


I already put together a volume 2. Telepathy 101 Love 89 Sticky Wicked Come Home Train If I Love u 2nite The Sex Of It Baby Go Go Eternity Neon Telephone ALL Day All Night The Screams of Passion Yo Mister I Guess I'm Crazy. [Edited 4/25/19 11:12am]


the beautiful thing about "originals" is that it has at least half the tracks on there
that we have never heard with prince on vocals.

most of the other ones we know about, we already own.

i would still beat someone over the head with a sack of my savings to purchase a
volume or six, seven of an "original" series. 

plus, there's the possibility of things like "interesting", "time waits 4 no one" and
"jaguar" with prince vocals drool

but for now, i'm glad we're not getting exactly what we might have chosen, since
it makes for some stuff i'd have never imagined would be in the vault with prince
vocals, like for instance 'make-up' 

purse ky






[Edited 4/25/19 11:17am]


I wish they followed this up straight away with Prince’s Time, Prince’s Vanity, Prince’s Family...
But it’s a great start, as far as I’m concerned.
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #140 posted 04/25/19 11:41am

bfunk

Reply #141 posted 04/25/19 11:48am

djdaffy1227

I ordered the 3 different colored vinyl and the CD. Yep, I'm a collector lol I am very excited about this release!

Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
Reply #142 posted 04/25/19 11:49am

tishal

I haven't seen it up either. The Estate is the only one carrying WHITE vinyl I believe - and limited quantities at that.

ThirdStrike said:

I see this is available for pre-order through the official Prince website. But I can't find it yet on Amazon. Anyone have a link for the pre-order (US version)?

Reply #143 posted 04/25/19 11:51am

tishal

100% agree

TheEnglishGent said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This all just to goes to show that the estate are clearly running a tight ship security wise now as no-one had any inkling this was coming, even the so called people in the know like Funkenberry said they'd be nothing until 2021 which was thankfully, as I suspected, bullshit.


We knew this release was coming, we just didn't have any idea what form it would take. We knew there was going to be a release in assosciation with Tidal, this is it.

Reply #144 posted 04/25/19 11:56am

andykeen

TwiliteKid said:

 



andykeen said:


Am I the only one annoyed by the artwork. Like to me, the album should represent his dirty mind recordings because of the artwork.

 


I like it. But to your point - how would solve this problem for any future era-spanning collections? If you can only choose one photo, which do you choose?




I would do numerological releases. Eg. Unreleased material from 1982 etc

Keenmeister
Reply #145 posted 04/25/19 11:57am

ElGorillos

lurker316 said:

djThunderfunk said:


Looking through my boots, it looks like we have:

3. Manic Monday (low quality) whoops! No, I was thinking of the Apollonia 6 version.

6. 100 MPH (awful quality)

9. Baby, You're A Trip (decent quality)

10. The Glamorous Life (decent quality)

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (decent quality)

13. Dear Michaelangelo (low quality)

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? (decent quality)

15. Nothing Compares 2 U (excellent quality)

That's less than half with most in need of an upgrade. So, for everyone other than the "elite" hoarders, this should be a welcome release. Who want to bet some of these tracks leak in better quality than we've had over the next 2 months? wink

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I have an instrumental version of Jungle Love that's labeled "Original Jesse Johnson Demo". Anyone know if such a thing truely exists? Is what I have legit or some fanmade song?

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The only other things I have on that list as a decent (not great, but not horrible) copy of 100 MPH and the standalone version of NC2U that was released last year.

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https://www.facebook.com/...1269536224

"Prince Would You Give This Listen & Let Me Know If You Dig It. Thanks Bruh.

We had just completed our 3rd acting class (Prince, The Time, & Vanity 6) when I nervously handed Prince a clear Teac cassette tape with gold reels inside it (those cassettes looked so cool) I state nervously because before he dug the track I composed named "Bite The Beat" for the Vanity 6 project, he had laughed quite hard at a lot of the so called musical ideas I'd given him up to said point. I should have thrown the cassette at him and ran, because I got caught off guard when he responded "Let's just go listen now" Uh oh...I'm like "a, a, ok" and we go to my car to listen. (Honda Civic with no air...in the summertime...bruh...but the custom sound system,,,Sick!) I push in cassette tape, crank the sound, and after 30 seconds Prince excitedly shouts "That's what the fuck I'm talking about!!!!!!!!!" Thank You Prince, thank you Morris Day. (Morris introduced me to Prince & Morris gave me my shot!)

Lesson learned: Never get too discouraged when people laugh and tell you your stuff's sorry, or at least in the beginning anyway. Be your worst critic. Compare what you are doing to whomever it may be that you admire and hold in high regard.

Needless to say, "Jungle Love" went on to become The Time's biggest selling, highest charting, and most recognizable hit in The Time's catalogue. (I also co-wrote, co-produced, as well as performed on along with Prince on "Ice Cream Castle", "The Bird", "If The Kid")
Drums-Roland 808 Drum Machine

Thank You & Good Night.
Love, Jesse

FYI: The version contain in this post is from my Teac cassette tape and recorded at my Cedar Square West Apartment 1408 Mpls, MN on a Tascam 8 Track recorder. I played Guitar (1966 Purple Mosrite), Bass Guitar (Fender Precision) Key Bass, Horns, Organ (Oberheim OB-SX)

Note: The version of "JL" from The Time's "Ice Cream Castles" was recorded at Prince's studio at his Chanhasen, MN crib. In studio was Prince, Morris, & me. I played key bass (Oberheim OB-8, Rythym guitar (I used Prince's Hohner Telecaster), and Lead guitar (G&L) Prince & I recorded the bass line & horns simultaneously. Talking bout nervous! Prince split the Oberheim OB-8 with bass at one end horns at the other. We recorded simultaneously into 2 tracks...whew!

Prince performed horns, B3, & programmed Line LM-1, Prince wrote lyrics/melody

It was pretty crazy recording the track, because he had not written the lyrics yet, but had the arrangement in his head, which differed from my 8 track demo version, so while we were recording the baseline and horns standing next to one another, he was shouting out the changes and or variations to me while we were recording on the fly! Crazy shit...Morris was laughing his ass off, because so use to recording with Prince that way, that is nothing new to him. (With "Bite The Beat" I just play the parts including arrangement as I had originally recorded the Fostex 4 track demo)

Just So You Know: The version of "JL" in "Purple Rain The Motion Picture" that was recorded live at First Avenue, Mpls,MN by The Record Plant, NY Remote Truck. We had recorded the studio version but Morris hadn't sang it yet. LovePeace, Jess

Note: The included demo was originally an idea I wrote for Lenny Williams of Tower Of Power...but I ended up seeing if Prince felt it for The Time. (He did!)
J.".


EG

Reply #146 posted 04/25/19 11:58am

djThunderfunk

djdaffy1227 said:

I ordered the 3 different colored vinyl and the CD. Yep, I'm a collector lol I am very excited about this release!


A true Prince fan!! biggrin wink cool

I'll probably get the CD and the black vinyl. Maybe I'll get the deluxe that combines them, maybe I'll get them separately.

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Reply #147 posted 04/25/19 11:58am

Kares

bfunk said:

Amazon links are working now:

Deluxe: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QYX23FM

LP: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R11NT83

CD: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R37Y7JD

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
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Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
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sad
I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #148 posted 04/25/19 12:06pm

sulls

clapping

"I like to watch."
Reply #149 posted 04/25/19 12:27pm

lust

darkroman said:

 



Kares said:


 



darkroman said:


I've seen on the official store there are THREE vinyl pressings in BLACK, PURPLE and WHITE.

I think it is unfair of the Estate to expect fans and collectors to buy THREE versions of the vinyl which always costs fans a premium but it is cheap to produce.

This is very expoitative!
sad sad sad



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You're a big boy. You can decide not to buy them if you don't want to. 




Congratuations, you are the first prize winner to deliver that age of clique and it only took four minutes since my post!

The fact is all true Prince fans are collectors. We buy everything! Casual Prince fans aren't Prince fans.

The Estate know this and sadly expolit this. 

Additionally the deluxe vinyl + CD version is MORE expensive then buying the CD and vinyl as separate items.

Luckily I can afford such things but many fans can't, particularly at the fast rate of releases this year!


neutral




Oh right so unless I buy the same thing in multiple colours, I’m not a Prince fan.
I wish someone would have told me that 30 plus years ago, I’d have saved so much time and money. Right who wants all my prince art, albums, books and bootlegs? It’s clearly wasted on me and taking up room. Bring a large vehicle. My wife will be so pleased.

Seriously dude, just because not everyone shares your OCD about the colour of vinyl doesn’t mean we’re not hardcore fans so take your unwarranted elitism and stick yourself in the bin.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #150 posted 04/25/19 12:28pm

Sexybeast

Who is releasing all these Estate albums? From what i read the money does not go to the remaining Nelson Family, the estate is run by some lawyer's and accountaints at Commerica Bank and Trust.

So who is green lighting all these releases? Its my premonition, this is beling done to generate money to pay Lawyer fees.

Did Tyka or the Nelson brothers and sisters have any say in this?

Henry H. 0+> Fan From Virginia
Reply #151 posted 04/25/19 12:58pm

WhisperingDandelions

They're totally gearing up to run the same liner notes scam as last time. Nobody act surprised on release day.

Reply #152 posted 04/25/19 1:01pm

WhisperingDandelions

thisisreece said:

As WhisperingDandelions said in the other thread:


Honestly I think I'm most excited for "Make-Up." One of his most intense and dark new wave tracks, borderline goth electro. I predict a dramatic re-assessment from people who normally write off the Vanity 6 project.

'

I'm the most excited and surprised by the inclusion of this song. It's one of the best songs he didn't put his name to, and probably the strangest. Just the other day I was wodnering what it would sound like with Prince's vocals.

Obviously there are some songs I'd have liked to see, (for instance, 777-9311 would be an incredible opener), but this will be an interesting release and I look forward to it. My only complaint, and its an esoteric one which likely only bothers myself, is that it features 'Baby, You're a Trip'. The Prince version is one of my favourite unreleased songs and I've always wished it would be the final song on a thematic 1999-era album (the sort which would feature songs like 'Purple Music', 'Moonbeam Levels', 'Extraloveable') which this release makes even less likely.

I've been running "Make-Up" on a loop since yesterday. It's always been one of my favorites, the definition of "cutting edge" Prince. I'm so psyched for this.

Reply #153 posted 04/25/19 1:03pm

ThirdStrike

Ok, I have a question. The press release states that the album will stream exclusively through TIDAL for the first 14 days. It also has language in that release that reads "In the Spirit of sharing Prince's music with his fans as he wanted, the album will be available to stream in Master quality via TIDAL'S HiFi subscription tier". Now, the "normal" subscription tier is "Premium" with a $9.99/month price point. The "HiFi" tier is priced at $19.99/month. That said, am I reading it right to say that the only option to stream for the first 14 days is to purchase (or upgrade to) the "HiFi" tier at the higher price point, or will I as an existing subscriber be able to stream under my current "Premier" tier?

Thoughts?

Reply #154 posted 04/25/19 1:14pm

LenguaDePlata

WhisperingDandelions said:


I've been running "Make-Up" on a loop since yesterday.  It's always been one of my favorites, the definition of "cutting edge" Prince.  I'm so psyched for this.


I’ve been listening to it today for the first time in a while with my headphones on and half way through the song I thought to myself ‘freaking ‘ell, this song is awesome!’.
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #155 posted 04/25/19 1:14pm

JudasSmile

Now this is the kind of release I want to see! I'm really looking forward to this.

U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took.
Reply #156 posted 04/25/19 1:19pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

Romeoblu said:

I already put together a volume 2. Telepathy 101 Love 89 Sticky Wicked Come Home Train If I Love u 2nite The Sex Of It Baby Go Go Eternity Neon Telephone ALL Day All Night The Screams of Passion Yo Mister I Guess I'm Crazy. [Edited 4/25/19 11:12am]

Stick "Sugar Walls" in there somewhere and that can get my money too! cool


Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #157 posted 04/25/19 1:21pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

PennyPurple said:

Can't wait!! Awesome news.

highfive

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #158 posted 04/25/19 1:33pm

TheEnglishGent

ThirdStrike said:

Ok, I have a question. The press release states that the album will stream exclusively through TIDAL for the first 14 days. It also has language in that release that reads "In the Spirit of sharing Prince's music with his fans as he wanted, the album will be available to stream in Master quality via TIDAL'S HiFi subscription tier". Now, the "normal" subscription tier is "Premium" with a $9.99/month price point. The "HiFi" tier is priced at $19.99/month. That said, am I reading it right to say that the only option to stream for the first 14 days is to purchase (or upgrade to) the "HiFi" tier at the higher price point, or will I as an existing subscriber be able to stream under my current "Premier" tier?

Thoughts?


Thoughts? Do a free trial with a new email address.

RIP sad
Reply #159 posted 04/25/19 1:36pm

ThirdStrike

TheEnglishGent said:

ThirdStrike said:

Ok, I have a question. The press release states that the album will stream exclusively through TIDAL for the first 14 days. It also has language in that release that reads "In the Spirit of sharing Prince's music with his fans as he wanted, the album will be available to stream in Master quality via TIDAL'S HiFi subscription tier". Now, the "normal" subscription tier is "Premium" with a $9.99/month price point. The "HiFi" tier is priced at $19.99/month. That said, am I reading it right to say that the only option to stream for the first 14 days is to purchase (or upgrade to) the "HiFi" tier at the higher price point, or will I as an existing subscriber be able to stream under my current "Premier" tier?

Thoughts?


Thoughts? Do a free trial with a new email address.

Don't think you can free trial the higher tier is the issue. I think the free trial is only for the lower "Premium" tier, although I could be wrong...

Reply #160 posted 04/25/19 1:36pm

Romeoblu

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

 



Romeoblu said:


I already put together a volume 2. Telepathy 101 Love 89 Sticky Wicked Come Home Train If I Love u 2nite The Sex Of It Baby Go Go Eternity Neon Telephone ALL Day All Night The Screams of Passion Yo Mister I Guess I'm Crazy. [Edited 4/25/19 11:12am]

Stick "Sugar Walls" in there somewhere and that can get my money too!  cool




I would if I had a Prince vocal version.
Reply #161 posted 04/25/19 1:38pm

fabriziovenerandi

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Romeoblu said:

I already put together a volume 2. Telepathy 101 Love 89 Sticky Wicked Come Home Train If I Love u 2nite The Sex Of It Baby Go Go Eternity Neon Telephone ALL Day All Night The Screams of Passion Yo Mister I Guess I'm Crazy. [Edited 4/25/19 11:12am]

Stick "Sugar Walls" in there somewhere and that can get my money too! cool

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Don't forget I Hear Your Voice

Reply #162 posted 04/25/19 1:47pm

WhisperingDandelions

Vol. 2 I go "Violet Blue", "Mia Bocca", "Pride and the Passion" and "My Drawers" if we're talking 80s. "Murph Drag" would be way cool.

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ThirdStrike said:

Ok, I have a question. The press release states that the album will stream exclusively through TIDAL for the first 14 days. It also has language in that release that reads "In the Spirit of sharing Prince's music with his fans as he wanted, the album will be available to stream in Master quality via TIDAL'S HiFi subscription tier". Now, the "normal" subscription tier is "Premium" with a $9.99/month price point. The "HiFi" tier is priced at $19.99/month. That said, am I reading it right to say that the only option to stream for the first 14 days is to purchase (or upgrade to) the "HiFi" tier at the higher price point, or will I as an existing subscriber be able to stream under my current "Premier" tier?

Thoughts?

I feel like press release wording usually would include something like "exclusively" before the word "available" if that were the case. Otherwise it's "available" in Tidal, Tidal HiFi, CD, vinyl, deluxe exclusive liner notes premium edition, etc.,, only the first 14-day part was emphasized. I could be wrong.

[Edited 4/25/19 13:51pm]

Reply #163 posted 04/25/19 1:51pm

ladygirl99

Haha now just like I expected from the org. Bitch and complain about the littlest in every upcoming release. lol Been this way since the purple and black days.

But I am kidding. Its not what I expected but hey its another release add to the collection.

Reply #164 posted 04/25/19 2:02pm

thedoorkeeper

Can't wait for this to be released! Never heard any of these songs as bootlegs so it's all new to my ears!
And only two months away!
Good times!
Reply #165 posted 04/25/19 2:04pm

BartVanHemelen

WhisperingDandelions said:

They're totally gearing up to run the same liner notes scam as last time. Nobody act surprised on release day.

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Last time the liner notes thing was mentioned IN THE FIRST PRESS RELEASE.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #166 posted 04/25/19 2:05pm

Quicho1

I'm ok with getting decent quality versions of these songs, but as long as most are from the mid-80's, I would've tweaked the set list a bit. Add "All Day All Night", "G-Spot" and "Noon Rendezvous", plus the vocal version of "Feline" for starters. Not sure what I'd remove for this however.
Reply #167 posted 04/25/19 2:11pm

Ugot2shakesumthin

I love the concept, but I’m just wondering why they chose these particular tracks? Most of us have listened to the bootleg versions and it would be nice listening to better quality ones, but I’d love to hear things I haven’t heard before. I’d love to hear the original versions of all The Time songs for example.
Reply #168 posted 04/25/19 2:15pm

LenguaDePlata

Quicho1 said:

I'm ok with getting decent quality versions of these songs, but as long as most are from the mid-80's, I would've tweaked the set list a bit. Add "All Day All Night", "G-Spot" and "Noon Rendezvous", plus the vocal version of "Feline" for starters. Not sure what I'd remove for this however.

I have good news for you then - Noon Rendezvous is in it!
I would have killed for 777-9311. Maybe next time...
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #169 posted 04/25/19 2:27pm

mikeyaddict

Have preordered the vinyl - £29 on Amazon, with is still steep for an LP (AOA and Plectrum £15 on Amazon at the moment). Until it arrives tho I’ll get the files somewhere and make my own CD - as I’m buying it anyway.
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Woulda been nice to have Cool, and I would’ve preferred new material - hitnrun 3 / black is the new - but this is a really pleasing set to look forward to. It feels like we’re about to be cuddled.
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Big loves purple family! Xoxox. Mikey
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #170 posted 04/25/19 2:36pm

WhisperingDandelions

BartVanHemelen said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

They're totally gearing up to run the same liner notes scam as last time. Nobody act surprised on release day.

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Last time the liner notes thing was mentioned IN THE FIRST PRESS RELEASE.

Hmmmmm. But are you sure?

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I'm going to need a link for proper proof and verification, sir. And no, I have not heard of "Google".

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What's the tracklist, again? I suppose we can thank the heirs for this release? Do you think $87 is a reasonable price to pay for The Chocolate Invasion on official CD?

Reply #171 posted 04/25/19 2:59pm

djThunderfunk

WhisperingDandelions said:

Do you think $87 is a reasonable price to pay for The Chocolate Invasion on official CD?


There is no official CD for The Chocolate Invasion so there is no reasonable price to pay for one.

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Reply #172 posted 04/25/19 3:24pm

Neversin

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's...
Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about...
Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts...
Pathetic... And, again, The prince Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"...

Neversin.
O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #173 posted 04/25/19 4:02pm

lust

Neversin said:

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's...
Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about...
Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts...
Pathetic... And, again, The prince Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"...

Neversin.


And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #174 posted 04/25/19 4:10pm

Sydney

Excited for this release - cant wait to hear a clear version of "Dear Michaelangelo" with Prince vocals!

Reply #175 posted 04/25/19 4:30pm

soladeo1

Sydney said:

Excited for this release - cant wait to hear a clear version of "Dear Michaelangelo" with Prince vocals!



All Day, All Night would have taken this
release to the stratosphere!!!
Reply #176 posted 04/25/19 4:44pm

SquirrelMeat

I'm genuinely pleased that we are getting something 'new', and the 'Originals' concept is one that many of us have suggested.

However, there are a few things that disappoint:

1. Artwork. Marketing 101. If the content is not era specific, don't make the cover art era specific. Prince had more photoshoots than most of us have had hot dinners, so a generic/mid era picture would have been far more fitting that something that looks like it should be the cover for Dirty Mind Deluxe; photo and font.

2. Track choices. It would be impossible to please everyone, but it looks like Troy and Jay Z have viewed this from a casual fan point of view. Not a legact project. Sure it's aimed to shift sales, but it comes across eratic. I agree with those that say some of these would be better held for protege projects or remasters. There is no branding to the choices.

3. Sales gouging - The 3x vinyl colours and edition variants. Nothing but exploitation. It symbolises everything that is wrong with record labels enagement with fans. Their actions have actually caused me to sell my collection rather than grow it. I'm not going to even bother to try and 'keep up'. I'm simply going to buy the CD. If they try to start the next level gouging, with single track exclusives on some releases, I'll turn to dowloading from other sources.

But there are many pluses. I'd pay the cover price alone for Prince's studio version on Noon.

I do hope they carry this through as a project, with Vol 2,3 etc, because I need Time Waits 4 No One, Open Book, So Strong, Blue Limousine, Come Home, 101, Love's No Fun, If I could get Your Attention, Neon Telephone, etc etc.

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Reply #177 posted 04/25/19 5:14pm

Ugot2shakesumthin

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm genuinely pleased that we are getting something 'new', and the 'Originals' concept is one that many of us have suggested.

However, there are a few things that disappoint:


 


1. Artwork. Marketing 101. If the content is not era specific, don't make the cover art era specific. Prince had more photoshoots than most of us have had hot dinners, so a generic/mid era picture would have been far more fitting that something that looks like it should be the cover for Dirty Mind Deluxe; photo and font.

2. Track choices. It would be impossible to please everyone, but it looks like Troy and Jay Z have viewed this from a casual fan point of view. Not a legact project. Sure it's aimed to shift sales, but it comes across eratic. I agree with those that say some of these would be better held for protege projects or remasters. There is no branding to the choices.

3. Sales gouging - The 3x vinyl colours and edition variants. Nothing but exploitation. It symbolises everything that is wrong with record labels enagement with fans. Their actions have actually caused me to sell my collection rather than grow it. I'm not going to even bother to try and 'keep up'. I'm simply going to buy the CD. If they try to start the next level gouging, with single track exclusives on some releases, I'll turn to dowloading from other sources.

But there are many pluses. I'd pay the cover price alone for Prince's studio version on Noon.

I do hope they carry this through as a project, with Vol 2,3 etc, because I need Time Waits 4 No One, Open Book, So Strong, Blue Limousine, Come Home, 101, Love's No Fun, If I could get Your Attention, Neon Telephone,  etc etc.



I agree with most of your post except for the gouging part. These are collectibles aimed at hardcore fans and the collector market. Whether it’s different colors and models of Purple Rain shirts or posters or whatever it’s all the same. I won’t put a value on what someone wants to spend their money on. It’s aimed to please collectors more than listeners. Most of us have listened to most of these tracks already anyway.
I say cool, offer the fans as much product as they think they can sell.
Reply #178 posted 04/25/19 6:08pm

Lovejunky


Song Title First Released by (Artist: Album – year) Year of Prince’s Recording Included on Originals

1. Sex Shooter Apollonia 6: Apollonia 6 – 1984 1983

2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983

3. Manic Monday The Bangles: Different Light – 1985 1984

4. Noon Rendezvous Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1984

5. Make-Up Vanity 6: Vanity 6 – 1982 1981

6. 100 MPH Mazarati: Mazarati – 1986 1984

7. You’re My Love Kenny Rogers: They Don’t Make Them Like They Used To – 1986 1982

8. Holly Rock Sheila E.: Krush Groove (OST) – 1985 1985

9. Baby, You’re a Trip Jill Jones: Jill Jones – 1987 1982

10. The Glamorous Life Sheila E.: The Glamorous Life – 1984 1983

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too The Time: What Time Is It? – 1982 1982

12. Love… Thy Will Be Done Martika: Martika’s Kitchen – 1991 1991

13. Dear Michaelangelo Sheila E.: Romance 1600 – 1985 1985

14. Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? Taja Sevelle: Taja Sevelle – 1987 1981

15. Nothing Compares 2 U The Family: The Family – 1985 1984


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Wish they included 101 and Come Home and 5 Women

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #179 posted 04/25/19 6:20pm

FragileUndertow

Lovejunky said:

Wish they included 5 Women


This is on The Vault :Old friends for sale album. Unless you mean an alternate version
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #180 posted 04/25/19 6:31pm

nelcp777

I wish Time Waits For No Onewould have made the cut.
[Edited 4/25/19 18:39pm]
Reply #181 posted 04/25/19 6:45pm

lastdecember

It seems this is the TIDAL exclusive album that was discussed.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #182 posted 04/25/19 7:21pm

bluegangsta

Kares said:

I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Kares said:

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.


NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).


Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

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Reply #183 posted 04/25/19 7:42pm

steakfinger

bluegangsta said:

Kares said:

I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Kares said:

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.


NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).


Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

BOOM. Kares needs to send those ears back to basic training.

Reply #184 posted 04/25/19 10:12pm

Shockedelicus

This is pretty great, but...

Where.

The Fuck.

Is Mutiny?

Reply #185 posted 04/25/19 10:30pm

BartVanHemelen

lastdecember said:

It seems this is the TIDAL exclusive album that was discussed.

.

Ya think?

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Reply #186 posted 04/26/19 12:22am

jn2

soladeo1 said:

Sydney said:

Excited for this release - cant wait to hear a clear version of "Dear Michaelangelo" with Prince vocals!

All Day, All Night would have taken this release to the stratosphere!!!

Let's not forget Data Bank! wink

Reply #187 posted 04/26/19 12:32am

Kares

bluegangsta said:

Kares said:

I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.

.

Kares said:

With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.


NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).


Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

.
I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.
.

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Reply #188 posted 04/26/19 12:58am

bluegangsta

Kares said:

bluegangsta said:


NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).


Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era.

“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/mu...-2-u-watch

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I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.
.


Why would they add tracks to a cassette dub when they have the original multitracks to it? That would be silly and given the nature of cassettes over time - very difficult to sync with each other.

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[Edited 4/26/19 1:07am]

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Reply #189 posted 04/26/19 1:08am

Romeoblu

Kares said:

 



bluegangsta said:



Kares said:


I'm actually optimistic about this. Sadly, ALL of his posthumous releases (incl. the PRD outtakes) so far have been sourced from cassette copies (at least partially in the case of NC2U). But now they had much more time to prepare this and even if Prince's vocals were overwritten by Morris's or Vanity's etc. on the original multitracks, there still must be 1/4" mixdown tapes with Prince's original vocal. They didn't mix straight to cassette, they created mixdown tapes that were later copied to cassettes. So those mixdown tapes should be great.


.



 



Kares said:


With trained ears you can recognise the characteristics of a cassette dub. My ears are good enough proof for me, but of course you're free to think otherwise.




NC2U wasn't a cassette.

It had strings, along with Paul and Susannah's background vocals on it, which were added long after Prince's version was done (which is the leaked version).



Vault Archivist for Prince's Estate Michael Howe stumbled across the recording while stockpiling inventory from the 1984 era. 


“After retrieving my jaw from the floor, we took the reel upstairs, analyzed it, put it up on the Studer 24 track machine, and digitized it to 24/192," said Howe. "Even our ‘faders up’ rough mix was compelling enough to indicate that this was something very special indeed.”

http://www.beat.com.au/music/princes-estate-releases-original-version-nothing-compares-2-u-watch



.
I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.




The official release is better than the leaked version. I think they did a great job with the source material. It's not like they overdubbed it.
Reply #190 posted 04/26/19 1:10am

Kares

Romeoblu said:

Kares said:

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I said NCU2 was partially from a cassette.
They've added tracks to it.
.

The official release is better than the leaked version. I think they did a great job with the source material. It's not like they overdubbed it.

.
Again, that is not what I said either, is it. Anyway, this is all off-topic here.

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Reply #191 posted 04/26/19 1:22am

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Reply #192 posted 04/26/19 2:38am

djdaffy1227

Never mind, What I wrote was already stated by someone else. Not sure how to delete a comment smile

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Reply #193 posted 04/26/19 2:44am

jaawwnn

Neversin said:

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's... Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about... Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts... Pathetic... And, again, The prince Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"... Neversin.

I agree with Neversin. I do think that if money is their issue then a constant, good cashflow could be guaranteed if the estate just outsourced rereleases to the Neversins of this world and we got proper releases - split between small compilations for the casual listener and big, expensive, verging on academic releases for those of us who take these things very seriously, you know we'd pay up without complaining if the quality was there.

but at the same time i'm looking forward to this because it's all we're going to get isnt it? The cover is almost the very same as some bootleg dvd I got years ago of P's 1981 New York show.

[Edited 4/26/19 2:45am]

Reply #194 posted 04/26/19 3:13am

Romeoblu

Just wondering which tracks people are anticipating the most.

Mine would be

Dear Michaelangelo. I thought the leak from a couple of years ago was fantastic. Hopefully it's that version in great sound quality.
Reply #195 posted 04/26/19 3:25am

Kares

jaawwnn said:


I agree with Neversin. I do think that if money is their issue then a constant, good cashflow could be guaranteed if the estate just outsourced rereleases to the Neversins of this world and we got proper releases - split between small compilations for the casual listener and big, expensive, verging on academic releases for those of us who take these things very seriously, you know we'd pay up without complaining if the quality was there.

but at the same time i'm looking forward to this because it's all we're going to get isnt it? The cover is almost the very same as some bootleg dvd I got years ago of P's 1981 New York show.

.

.
Curating and producing the truly comprehensive, high quality box sets most of us dream about would require knowledge of what's actually in the vault, as even those of us who've been studying, collecting and following Prince for 3-4 decades aren't aware of everything – most probably those engineers and musicians who worked with him aren't able to remember everything either.
.

I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.
.
So I do agree with what Neversin is saying (not with his language though, sorry), it'd be best to start releasing material that we could more or less agree is either complete or can be turned into a series, such as a series of releses of songs given to or written for "non-protégé acts" (although sometimes it's difficult to draw a line between songs given to others by Prince and Prince-songs simply covered by others). Or they could start releasing albums that have been completed by Prince yet stayed on the shelf. But randomly picking songs just to put together an album while those songs should be included in different, comprehensive releases, is unprofessional and irritating indeed.

.

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Reply #196 posted 04/26/19 3:31am

jaawwnn

Kares said:

jaawwnn said:


I agree with Neversin. I do think that if money is their issue then a constant, good cashflow could be guaranteed if the estate just outsourced rereleases to the Neversins of this world and we got proper releases - split between small compilations for the casual listener and big, expensive, verging on academic releases for those of us who take these things very seriously, you know we'd pay up without complaining if the quality was there.

but at the same time i'm looking forward to this because it's all we're going to get isnt it? The cover is almost the very same as some bootleg dvd I got years ago of P's 1981 New York show.

.

.
Curating and producing the truly comprehensive, high quality box sets most of us dream about would require knowledge of what's actually in the vault, as even those of us who've been studying, collecting and following Prince for 3-4 decades aren't aware of everything – most probably those engineers and musicians who worked with him aren't able to remember everything either.
.

I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.
.
So I do agree with what Neversin is saying (not with his language though, sorry), it'd be best to start releasing material that we could more or less agree is either complete or can be turned into a series, such as a series of releses of songs given to or written for "non-protégé acts" (although sometimes it's difficult to draw a line between songs given to others by Prince and Prince-songs simply covered by others). Or they could start releasing albums that have been completed by Prince yet stayed on the shelf. But randomly picking songs just to put together an album while those songs should be included in different, comprehensive releases, is unprofessional and irritating indeed.

.

Sure, we're more or less in agreement. The idea that we could be even at the place where all that's left are nitpicky details seems impossible right now.

Reply #197 posted 04/26/19 3:35am

BartVanHemelen

Kares said:

I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.

.

They should have spoken up when the release was announced. Less secrecy, more collaboration. In recent days I saw a post on http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/ where their commenters had noticed an upcoming album had the wrong artwork and that company actually delayed the release to fix this issue. And in the past there have been box sets where tracks were added/removed because commenters there spoke up about missing tracks etc.

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Reply #198 posted 04/26/19 3:48am

Kares

BartVanHemelen said:

Kares said:

I wouldn't be comfortable with putting together a "Complete Vanity 6" (or The Time or Madhouse or Apollonia 6 etc.) box set (that would include all versions of every song directly related to that particular project or artist), because a day after it comes out people would come forward with information about what else should've been included.

.

They should have spoken up when the release was announced. Less secrecy, more collaboration. In recent days I saw a post on http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/ where their commenters had noticed an upcoming album had the wrong artwork and that company actually delayed the release to fix this issue. And in the past there have been box sets where tracks were added/removed because commenters there spoke up about missing tracks etc.

.
Yes I know, but even if they'd communicate and would be open to collaboration, what's most important in my view is to have a full inventory of the vault first, that should be the starting point. And I don't think they're at that stage yet, as I said before, I believe that a truly FULL catalog would take a couple of years to complete, even if there's a whole team working on it full time. (Because it's not just about putting info you find on boxes into a database, it's about going through every single format found inside Paisley, from the cassettes and rehearsal videos, through all the studio tapes, all the safety copies, all the hard drives, films, optical disks and every format you can think of. It a monumental task to actually listen to everything that might not be labelled on the box and deciding what project they might belong to, if any.)
.
So while it's true many of us would be able to contribute valuable information, no-one knows what additional recordings (or simply different versions of known songs) might be in the boxes, that should be all included in sets that aim to be comprehensive.

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Reply #199 posted 04/26/19 4:32am

leecaldon

Kares said:

bfunk said:

Amazon links are working now:

Deluxe: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QYX23FM

LP: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R11NT83

CD: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R37Y7JD

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
.
Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
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sad
I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.

Reply #200 posted 04/26/19 4:40am

Kares

leecaldon said:

Kares said:

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
.
Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
.
sad
I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.

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It is not impossible but would sound awful. Even with 16-18 min sides I have serious issues with the string of tricks and compromises needed in vinyl mastering to make the end product even just playable on most average turntables people use.
I don't think this release would have more than 18 mins per sides.

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Reply #201 posted 04/26/19 5:06am

databank

Neversin said:

This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's... Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about... Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts... Pathetic... And, again, The prince Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"... Neversin.

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Reply #202 posted 04/26/19 5:48am

djThunderfunk

leecaldon said:

Kares said:

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Side C of the LP contains 4 songs: "Baby, You're A Trip", "The Glamorous Life", "Gigolos Get Lonely Too", "Love... Thy Will Be Done".
.
Unfortunately this means that we're definitely not getting the full versions, not even the album versions, as on the original releases these 4 songs would add up to 24 minutes. And that is far too long for one LP-side.
.
sad
I was hoping that "Love... Thy Will Be Done" would go on side D, it would've made more sense in my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/19 12:01pm]

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.


I just did a needle drop on an LP that had a 33 min side. So yes it can be done. But you're right, it is NOT ideal. That side of the LP sounded worse than the other 3. The more you squeeze onto an LP side, the worse the quality.

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Reply #203 posted 04/26/19 5:56am

Kares

djThunderfunk said:

leecaldon said:

24 mins is certainly feasible for one side of an LP, if not ideal.


I just did a needle drop on an LP that had a 33 min side. So yes it can be done. But you're right, it is NOT ideal. That side of the LP sounded worse than the other 3. The more you squeeze onto an LP side, the worse the quality.

.
I didn't say it cannot be done. You can even fit 40 mins on a side if you don't care about quality or if you're putting out a birdsong record. My point was 24 mins is too long ( = to maintain decent quality).

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Reply #204 posted 04/26/19 6:14am

Neversin

lust said:

Neversin said:
This shitty release looks even worse than those garbage outtake compilation bootlegs from the 1990's... Again these fucking idiots, now joined by a fucking clueless rapper, mock the fans by neglecting or even listen to those who have studied Prince for his entire career by releasing (just look at that fucking amateur job of a "cover"!) something Prince himself hated and was frustrated about... Instead of releasing a proper set with his versions of songs he gave to "non-protege acts" (Madonna, Celine Dion, Patty Labelle etc.) as a one off thing they put songs on it that should be combined with a remaster of albums from protege acts... Pathetic... And, again, The prince Estate showing they haven't even mastered the basics of "Prince 101"... Neversin.
And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”



Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

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Reply #205 posted 04/26/19 6:27am

Mikado

I find it funny people are calling Jay-Z a retarded rapper when, in reality, dude is a better businessman than Prince ever was.
A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #206 posted 04/26/19 6:47am

bluegangsta

Neversin said:

lust said:

Neversin said: And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”



Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

You're right as always.

And I bet you they're going to remix the fuck out of these. They'll include overdubs that were done purely intended for the protege version - like they did with Nothing Compares 2 U.

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Reply #207 posted 04/26/19 6:55am

sulls

Romeoblu said:

Just wondering which tracks people are anticipating the most. Mine would be Dear Michaelangelo. I thought the leak from a couple of years ago was fantastic. Hopefully it's that version in great sound quality.

I agree with you. Also like The Glamorous Life. Be nice to have that in better quality.

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Reply #208 posted 04/26/19 7:21am

Moonbeam

Yesssss! I love this! Of course, there are so many more tracks in this vein I’d also love (“Chocolate”, “101”, “Telepathy”, “Bliss”, etc.) but I love this!
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Reply #209 posted 04/26/19 7:46am

ThirdStrike

Mikado said:

I find it funny people are calling Jay-Z a retarded rapper when, in reality, dude is a better businessman than Prince ever was.

Although I don't necessarily agree with the "better businessman than Prince ever was" comment, your initial point about Jay-Z being a good one is definetely valid!

Reply #210 posted 04/26/19 7:52am

Romeoblu

Well I personally prefer the stand alone releases as opposed to multi disc box sets.

I would have much rather had those tracks from the Vault included on Purple Rain deluxe released on their own separate from the Purple Rain album. Giving them more of their own identity.
Reply #211 posted 04/26/19 8:15am

2freaky4church1

I'm super happy about this, beyond the K-Tel cheapie cover. How about a new pic? The song selection is great. I am dissapointed Get Blue is not on it. The bootleg version is shitty. Glad Open Book is not on it because the bootleg is already perfect sound.

Really happy a great version of Baby You're A Trip is on. That tune is masterful.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #212 posted 04/26/19 8:25am

PacManPlus


...Preordered.

If there ever is a 'Volume 2', I would love LOVE LOVE WISH HOPE that these songs are on it:

- Data Bank (86 version)

- Girl Of My Dreams (86 version)

- Sugar Walls

- High Fasion (w/ Bass)

- Mutiny (w/ Bass)

- G-Spot

- All Day, All Night (w/ Bass)

- 777-9311

- The Screams Of Passion

...please...

[Edited 4/26/19 8:25am]

Reply #213 posted 04/26/19 8:29am

RJOrion

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal? 




yep...since day1
Reply #214 posted 04/26/19 8:45am

2freaky4church1

nah. Get Blue the shit.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #215 posted 04/26/19 9:17am

Romeoblu

I just heard a very brief vocal snippet of Gigolos.
Reply #216 posted 04/26/19 9:22am

djThunderfunk

Kares said:

djThunderfunk said:


I just did a needle drop on an LP that had a 33 min side. So yes it can be done. But you're right, it is NOT ideal. That side of the LP sounded worse than the other 3. The more you squeeze onto an LP side, the worse the quality.

.
I didn't say it cannot be done. You can even fit 40 mins on a side if you don't care about quality or if you're putting out a birdsong record. My point was 24 mins is too long ( = to maintain decent quality).

.


Yes, agreed. wink

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Reply #217 posted 04/26/19 9:48am

sulls

Romeoblu said:

I just heard a very brief vocal snippet of Gigolos.

Well...?

"I like to watch."
Reply #218 posted 04/26/19 9:57am

stillwaiting

Dandroppedadime said:

Slightly concerned they might be edited/short versions, as 15 tracks have to fit on 1 CD (70 mins). I would prefer the full length versions ideally and Prince liked to record 10-15 minutes. Not done the math but will we get the full length Glamorous Life or Jungle love? They may use some sort of shorter version for the casual buyer as well. There is mention of a deluxe version to follow?...

70 min? Really. You should work for the estate. They have no idea cds can hold more than 35 minutes...100 min, however, 99.9% of cds have capacity of 79:57, as the ones at 99:57 are not compatible with tons of devices and software...

And when you work for Londell McMuffin or someone in the family, have them Google "Blu Ray."

And I do apologize for going Bart Van Halen on ya, but could you possibly have thought cds can only hold 70 min? I mean that original cd of "1999" was that way due to lazy developers who cut costs to keep it at 70 min. That practice was over by like 1992

Reply #219 posted 04/26/19 10:25am

fabriziovenerandi

Romeoblu said:

Well I personally prefer the stand alone releases as opposed to multi disc box sets. I would have much rather had those tracks from the Vault included on Purple Rain deluxe released on their own separate from the Purple Rain album. Giving them more of their own identity.

.

+1

Reply #220 posted 04/26/19 10:38am

TrevorAyer

Maybe some songs ... like g spot and chocolate ... will be on 1999 deluxe ... maybe some other songs ... like baby go and data bank and all day all night will be on a parade deluxe ... i like love thy will be done but it seams out of place with the older trax ... i wish they would keep to a time period with these collections ... looks like a fun release and i hope and expect many versions will be different than our bootlegs ... which is fun even tho we are used to our bootleg versions ... i hope they dont mess up the eq like on pr deluxe .. but they did ok with pm 83 so hopefully it will sound good
Reply #221 posted 04/26/19 11:05am

Cinny

bonatoc said:

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.


Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.

track 8 smile

Reply #222 posted 04/26/19 11:06am

Cinny

PacManPlus said:

...Preordered.

If there ever is a 'Volume 2', I would love LOVE LOVE WISH HOPE that these songs are on it:

- Data Bank (86 version)

- Girl Of My Dreams (86 version)

- Sugar Walls

- High Fasion (w/ Bass)

- Mutiny (w/ Bass)

- G-Spot

- All Day, All Night (w/ Bass)

- 777-9311

- The Screams Of Passion

...please...

You forgot Eternity! biggrin

Reply #223 posted 04/26/19 11:07am

Giovanni777

Although a good idea, I would rather have more recent stuff:

  • 20ten (original album config, or "20ten Deluxe")
  • Welcome 2 America
  • Whatever album he almost released when his outfit and guitar had the flames graphic... would've had "Rock & Roll Love Affair", "Screwdriver", etc.
  • "HitnRun Phase 3"
  • Whatever he was working on in the last phase of his precious life (MonoNeon, etc.)

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #224 posted 04/26/19 11:23am

Cinny

Giovanni777 said:

Whatever album he almost released when his outfit and guitar had the flames graphic... would've had "Rock & Roll Love Affair", "Screwdriver", etc.


All that schitt was compiled to 2015's Hit n Run Phase Two.

Reply #225 posted 04/26/19 11:27am

Romeoblu

sulls said:

 



Romeoblu said:


I just heard a very brief vocal snippet of Gigolos.

Well...?


It was only 3 seconds.
Reply #226 posted 04/26/19 11:35am

LausOrg

Happy overall but a bit of a pity they aren't including the 1986 version of "You're My Love" with Clare Fischer's strings and the 2012 version of "Love... Thy Will B Done" reworked for "The Great Gatsby" film...

Reply #227 posted 04/26/19 12:19pm

SquirrelMeat

Romeoblu said:

I just heard a very brief vocal snippet of Gigolos.



Me too.

Which makes me wonder if we are going to see them leaked from traders very soon.

.
Reply #228 posted 04/26/19 12:28pm

LenguaDePlata

LausOrg said:

Happy overall but a bit of a pity they aren't including the 1986 version of "You're My Love" with Clare Fischer's strings and the 2012 version of "Love... Thy Will B Done" reworked for "The Great Gatsby" film...


I can’t wait to hear Prince’s take on You’re My Love. I suspect it will be very different from Kenny Rogers, which sounds incredibly generic, but I really like the melody.
Life is just a party, and parties weren’t meant to last...
Reply #229 posted 04/26/19 1:00pm

IstenSzek

SquirrelMeat said:

Romeoblu said:

I just heard a very brief vocal snippet of Gigolos.



Me too.

Which makes me wonder if we are going to see them leaked from traders very soon.



i find that so annoying, that they hang on to all this stuff until an official release is announced
and then all of a sudden they decide to share. not without releasing 3 second snippets first, or
mono versions, or tagged ones etc etc.

i'd rather they'd just hang on to their shit and let us enjoy the release when it comes out in a
few weeks.

i know, i know, i don't have to listen to their leaks, and guess what, i won't. if they release a
track or two that we don't know and that are nowhere on the radar for release, yes, applause
for them and my grattitude.

but this is just lame.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #230 posted 04/26/19 1:10pm

Romeoblu

IstenSzek said:

 



SquirrelMeat said:


 



Romeoblu said:


I just heard a very brief vocal snippet of Gigolos.



Me too.

Which makes me wonder if we are going to see them leaked from traders very soon.





i find that so annoying, that they hang on to all this stuff until an official release is announced 
and then all of a sudden they decide to share. not without releasing 3 second snippets first, or
mono versions, or tagged ones etc etc.

i'd rather they'd just hang on to their shit and let us enjoy the release when it comes out in a
few weeks.

i know, i know, i don't have to listen to their leaks, and guess what, i won't. if they release a
track or two that we don't know and that are nowhere on the radar for release, yes, applause
for them and my grattitude.

but this is just lame. 




I think the snippet comes from a copy of the forthcoming release not something they have had for sometime.
Reply #231 posted 04/26/19 1:11pm

IstenSzek

Romeoblu said:

IstenSzek said:



i find that so annoying, that they hang on to all this stuff until an official release is announced
and then all of a sudden they decide to share. not without releasing 3 second snippets first, or
mono versions, or tagged ones etc etc.

i'd rather they'd just hang on to their shit and let us enjoy the release when it comes out in a
few weeks.

i know, i know, i don't have to listen to their leaks, and guess what, i won't. if they release a
track or two that we don't know and that are nowhere on the radar for release, yes, applause
for them and my grattitude.

but this is just lame.


I think the snippet comes from a copy of the forthcoming release not something they have had for sometime.


if that's the case, that's cool enough nod


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #232 posted 04/26/19 2:41pm

stillwaiting

Obviously, us die hards want a lot more than is coming out, but this should be the best release yet, maybe as good as PR Deluxe. Half of it is new to me, and a few of the others I have not bothered to get in better quality yet. Still, if they get their act together, they can release multiple box sets and 2 cd best of like The Bob Dylan Estate has...uh...not estate, he's still alive, but we may all be old and dying before the music is handled correctly. A shame, but I'm happy we are at least getting SOMETHING.

Reply #233 posted 04/26/19 4:37pm

Quicho1

LenguaDePlata said:

Quicho1 said:

I'm ok with getting decent quality versions of these songs, but as long as most are from the mid-80's, I would've tweaked the set list a bit. Add "All Day All Night", "G-Spot" and "Noon Rendezvous", plus the vocal version of "Feline" for starters. Not sure what I'd remove for this however.

I have good news for you then - Noon Rendezvous is in it!
I would have killed for 777-9311. Maybe next time...

Thanks for the correction. Now I'm worried after someone mentioned these will not be extended versions. Guess I was fantasizing that Noon Rendezvous would be similar to the June 1984 rehearsal version...9 or 19 minutes. It will probably be the demo, which was later overlain with Sheila E's contributions. No soulful guitar and probably 4 minutes or less.
Reply #234 posted 04/26/19 5:10pm

PurpleBlackmon

All the stuff they keep saying that he had in the vault and this is the kind of stuff that they keep putting out?

Reply #235 posted 04/26/19 5:40pm

controversy99

This could be a very cool release. I’m excited. This is the first posthumous release that really has me happy from the moment of announcement.
.
Things that could go right:
1. Versions of Baby, You’re a Trip and Love ... Thy Will Be Done will be very high sound quality versions of the leaks we already have. Those performances are absolutely amazing.
2. Most of the rest of the tracks are high sound quality versions that are different from the leaks that are already out. How cool would that be to get brand new (to my ears) versions? Very cool.
.
Things that could go wrong:
1. They keep Sex Shooter as the first track. Unless the lyrics are different, I have roughly zero interest in hearing a Prince vocal version of that song. And having it first just makes I worse. Please, pretty please remove it and put on another song instead.
2. Sound quality is the same as the leaks.
.
What has me excited:
1. I don’t have bootlegs with Prince vocals for 7 of these songs. That’ll be 7 performances that I haven’t heard before. Boom. cool
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #236 posted 04/26/19 6:21pm

206Michelle

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal? 



I do. I switched to Tidal about two years ago so that I could have access to more of Prince’s catalogue.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #237 posted 04/26/19 6:37pm

homesquid

PacManPlus said:


...Preordered.

If there ever is a 'Volume 2', I would love LOVE LOVE WISH HOPE that these songs are on it:

- Data Bank (86 version)

- Girl Of My Dreams (86 version)

- Sugar Walls

- High Fasion (w/ Bass)

- Mutiny (w/ Bass)

- G-Spot

- All Day, All Night (w/ Bass)

- 777-9311

- The Screams Of Passion

...please...

[Edited 4/26/19 8:25am]

This release is fab for me as the only thing I've heard is good versions of NCTY and "Love...They Will Done" and that shitty quality version of "100 MPH". I stopped searching for bootlegs years ago. I had all the 1982-1988 stuff. Then I just decided I'd rather wait for official releases and got burnt out on Prince releasing too much mediocre product too fast once he was "free".

The Prince doing Jill Jones and The Family tracks in pro-quality are what I hope for most. Maybe they will be bonus tracks on deluxe editions as some have speculated. Some of the best tracks he gave away.

[Edited 4/26/19 18:38pm]

Reply #238 posted 04/26/19 7:56pm

thedoorkeeper

Do you think when NC2U was released a year ago they already had this compilation in mind?
Reply #239 posted 04/26/19 8:49pm

EddieC

BartVanHemelen said:

Kares said:

.
(I'm not sure I understand what you mean on "to deliver that age of clique"..)

.

They meant "age-old cliché", but considering the difference between "then" and "than" was too hard for them to grasp...

Ahhh... that's it. I'd figured out what went wrong with "clique," but I hadn't worked out the whole phrase.

Reply #240 posted 04/26/19 9:41pm

Lovejunky

206Michelle said:

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?

I do. I switched to Tidal about two years ago so that I could have access to more of Prince’s catalogue.

SAME

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #241 posted 04/26/19 10:09pm

Goddess4Real

So is there a version of Sex Shooter with just Prince's vocals on there? hmmm

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #242 posted 04/26/19 11:28pm

TheGloved1

Man, I thought The Screams of Passion was gonna be on there! Ah well. Susannah does it for me anyways lol

This is a pretty awesome compilation album and I'm grabbing the vinyl for sure. Hopefully they've cleaned the tracks up; this is the first material we'll be hearing since the move to Iron Mountain yeah?

Reply #243 posted 04/27/19 2:55am

Dazza

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women.

So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.
Green virgin teenager, or filthy rich yuppy. Pussy cat pussy cat, where for out thou puppy
Reply #244 posted 04/27/19 3:07am

HatrinaHaterwitz

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

Jungle Love and Gigolos Get Lonely Too weren't written for women, IJS. shrug

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #245 posted 04/27/19 3:11am

MIRvmn

thedoorkeeper said:

Do you think when NC2U was released a year ago they already had this compilation in mind?

It's possible. At least it felt like NC2U was the lead single for an upcoming album which made me even more disappointed when P&M83 was released.
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #246 posted 04/27/19 4:06am

andrewm7

I am thankful and excited at the opportunity to get new stuff or upgrades to what has come along unofficially over the years, but I really wish that they had gone the “full Monty” and made a compilation of EVERYTHING Prince had penned for other people.
I know that this would be a multidisc extravaganza and probably more expensive, and probably wouldn’t sell as well, but I would buy it smile
Maybe “Originals super deluxe edition “
Reply #247 posted 04/27/19 5:26am

jaawwnn

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I have an interest in hearing them, but i'll likely prefer the Vanity/Sheila/Jill versions. I'm also interested to see where along the recording process they will be, and if they start remixing in parts like they did with Nothing Compares.

Or just plain start using incomplete versions like they did with the Dance Electric and a few others on Purple Rain Deluxe.

Reply #248 posted 04/27/19 6:04am

databank

Neversin said:

lust said:

Neversin said: And yet lots of us are thrilled with the release so different strokes and all that! Doesn’t matter what they do, someone is always going to throw a tantrum and project their opinion as if speaking on behalf of “the true fans”



Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home

I apologize for every time I offended someone when debates got "heated". Love y'all yes
Reply #249 posted 04/27/19 6:20am

JorisE73

jaawwnn said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I have an interest in hearing them, but i'll likely prefer the Vanity/Sheila/Jill versions. I'm also interested to see where along the recording process they will be, and if they start remixing in parts like they did with Nothing Compares.

Or just plain start using incomplete versions like they did with the Dance Electric and a few others on Purple Rain Deluxe.


I like the version of Dance Electric on PR Deluxe simply for it beoing Prince's solo verison.

here on Originals they could have used the full version with Wendy and Lisa and guitar solo (the version of that 4 minute sample that leaked earlier this year.)
I would love to have see them make a chronological and complete album tho with only the songs for other non-Prince related artists and leave the Prince related artists tracks like Sex Shooter and the like for a eventual remaster of the Apolonia 6 album. But at least it's something.

Reply #250 posted 04/27/19 6:37am

JorisE73

databank said:

Neversin said:



Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.


I heared when those 2 albums came out that Prince intentionally put tracks on them that he had no use for when WB rejected them (Zannalee, the Same December and I Like it There he wanted thoise as B-sides for singles of The Gold Experience but WB didn't want that and rejected the idea. That's what I was told.) So he collected and 'finished' the songs where needed and put them on those two records, but intentionally made them a 'bootleg' like collection.

Reply #251 posted 04/27/19 6:43am

IstenSzek

databank said:

Neversin said:



Oh please... I never said anything about some bullshit "the true fans" nonsense...
You like this "Chaos and Disorder"/"The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale" part 2 (or 3, depends on how you look at it) then good for you, Prince on the other hand...
This "Originals" garbage is exactly a release Prince would have given WBR to fuck with them; some really great song packaged in the most attrocious way that plays like a retarded and incoherent mess (intentionally created and sequenced as such by Prince) and now these fucking money minding morons in a suit and that retarded rapper are doing the same because they think they're on to something...
This is just too stupid to comprehend... It's painfully obvious they don't know shit nor do they care about his legacy except the potential of money...
I understand that people are starving for anything "new" but this shit is exactly what Prince pulled on WBR and eventually us, his fans, when he made those throw away records to fulfill his contract...

Neversin.

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.


i have to agree with that. i'm excited for this collection, but it's not really an album, at all.
it's sort of like "crystal ball volume 2, disc 1"

i realised, after my initial excitement that i'm just happy to have these tracks in, we hope,
very good quality so that i can add them to my own era specific playlists.

as an album in it's own right it doesn't make sense, no. especially "Love...Thy Will Be Done"
is out of place here.

a 3 disc set with all the songs he gave to unrelated acts, plus individual songs he gave to
his satellite acts, where there were only 1 or 2 songs on their album, like Elisa, would've
been more sensible.

you'd think this set was designed to appeal to the largest possible audience. but if so, why
not include some more hits instead of, for instance "you're my love" and "make-up"?

there's a lot of questions lol

but my overall positive emotions toward this set is because right now, it's all they seem to
be willing to release.

oh well. let's hope that in the future we actually get a few albums that prince completed
or thorough anthology sets, even if that means we have to buy these songs twice over.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #252 posted 04/27/19 6:45am

databank

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

I totally agree with this record being a total mess, but I have different views of C&D and TVOF4S. I know you know your shit so you may know something I don't about P's intentions, but it's always appeared to me that both albums, despite their flaws, had been structured carefully by Prince in order to offer a cohesive narrative similar to his "normal" albums. C&D is clearly his "mid-90's rock album", almost an era piece including hints at Lenny K, TTD, brit-pop and grunge altogether with a bit of rap and raggamuffin for good measure. TVOF4S is his Donald Fagen album: vocal jazzy tracks, a nostalgic tone and the exact opposite of C&D in being totally disconnected from the mid-90's in terms of sound, it's sort of out of time.

I find both records to flow well. Prince even rerecorded and overdubbed several tracks in early 96, when he finalised the records, so he apparently cared. Had he wanted to fuck WB up completely he could have selected much weaker material (we have some outtakes circulating that aren't exactly memorable) and make a mess of both records by throwing in songs that were totally unrelated or had no sonic connection to each other.

.

What I find problematic with Originals is that it appears to be a completely random selection and sequencing of songs, like the bonus CD of PR Deluxe but lacking the era connection on top of it. IDK, maybe I'll be genuinely surprised to discover that it flows well, but from the tracklist I fail to see any logic it it, it's more just like a collection of random songs that don't belong together and is only interesting because the songs themselves are interesting but isn't more than the sum of its parts. I find this really sad, because Prince cared about albums as statements, and so do many of his fans.


I heared when those 2 albums came out that Prince intentionally put tracks on them that he had no use for when WB rejected them (Zannalee, the Same December and I Like it There he wanted thoise as B-sides for singles of The Gold Experience but WB didn't want that and rejected the idea. That's what I was told.) So he collected and 'finished' the songs where needed and put them on those two records, but intentionally made them a 'bootleg' like collection.

I had never heard this about b-sides before, interesting. May I ask your source?

If Prince wanted it to be bootleg-like my opinion he totally failed at it. CB was more in line with this kind of spirit (though much carefully sequenced than the songs selection would lead us to believe).

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Reply #253 posted 04/27/19 7:04am

Splanknasty2

'Come Home', 'I Guess I'm Crazy' and 'If I Love U Tonight' are better than literally any song on that selection.

Reply #254 posted 04/27/19 8:22am

databank

Crazy thing is Sheila E. owns the royalties and official authorship for Holly Rock. I guess the Estate can get away with saying that Prince composed it since it's true, but I guess they're gonna have to pay her the royalties nonetheless lol

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Reply #255 posted 04/27/19 8:30am

love2thenines2003

Impatient 2 discover

Sex Shooter

Noon Rendezvous

Gigolos Get Lonely Too

Dear Michaelangelo

Make-Up

...love these trax....this release is way better than the previous one without a doubt !!

Reply #256 posted 04/27/19 9:24am

Transformed1

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I strongly disagree. This is a great release. To each their own.

Reply #257 posted 04/27/19 10:11am

violetcrush

Splanknasty2 said:

'Come Home', 'I Guess I'm Crazy' and 'If I Love U Tonight' are better than literally any song on that selection.

Don't forget 101

Love that one!!!!

Reply #258 posted 04/27/19 10:13am

violetcrush

Goddess4Real said:

So is there a version of Sex Shooter with just Prince's vocals on there? hmmm

Didn't all of his demos start with just his vocals??? Then the protege recorded their vocals.

Reply #259 posted 04/27/19 10:27am

TheSilentMikey

Here’s the timing of the songs.

  1. Sex Shooter (3:06)
  2. Jungle Love (3:04)
  3. Manic Monday (2:51)
  4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)
  5. Make-Up (2:27)
  6. 100 MPH (3:31)
  7. You’re My Love (4:24)
  8. Holly Rock (6:39)
  9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)
  10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)
  11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)
  12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)
  13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)
  14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)
  15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

[Edited 4/27/19 10:37am]

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #260 posted 04/27/19 10:38am

Vannormal

ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]

-

Found 'Kep Woman'.. a song for Bria Valente...

I honestly don't think that anyone knows it was even done by her, except for (most?) Prince fans.

'Bliss' ? by Kahoru Kohiruimaki (...), the same story I guess just like 'Mind Bells'...

-

Other (more) famous Prince songs written for others imho are:

- Nasty Girl (Vanity 6)

- G-Spot (indeed!!)

- Love Song (Madonna, maybe even 'By Alien Means' but this one is completely unknown to most...)

- The Bird (The Time)

- The Belle Of St.-Mark

- Blue Limousine (Apollonia 6)

etc...

-

[Edited 4/27/19 11:01am]

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #261 posted 04/27/19 10:40am

dodger

Now up on iTunes for pre-order, ‘expected 21st June’
Hopefully get a single or 2 beforehand
Reply #262 posted 04/27/19 10:41am

ElGorillos

TheSilentMikey said:

Here’s the timing of the songs.


 


  1. Sex Shooter (3:06)

  2. Jungle Love (3:04)

  3. Manic Monday (2:51)

  4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)

  5. Make-Up (2:27)

  6. 100 MPH (3:31)

  7. You’re My Love (4:24)

  8. Holly Rock (6:39)

  9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)

  10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)

  11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)

  12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)

  13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)

  14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)

  15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

 

[Edited 4/27/19 10:37am]


Source?


EG
Reply #263 posted 04/27/19 10:42am

dodger

Vannormal said:

 



ThePersian said:


All excited - then I saw the track listing.


No 101.


No Kept Woman.


No Bliss.


AND NO G-SPOT!!!


 


 


[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]



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Kept Woman ?


I have to look for that one...


-



It’s on Bria Valente’s album (Elixer)
Was also on Tamar’s cancelled album
Reply #264 posted 04/27/19 10:52am

TheSilentMikey

ElGorillos said:

TheSilentMikey said:

Here’s the timing of the songs.

  1. Sex Shooter (3:06)
  2. Jungle Love (3:04)
  3. Manic Monday (2:51)
  4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)
  5. Make-Up (2:27)
  6. 100 MPH (3:31)
  7. You’re My Love (4:24)
  8. Holly Rock (6:39)
  9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)
  10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)
  11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)
  12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)
  13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)
  14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)
  15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

[Edited 4/27/19 10:37am]

Source? EG

It’s available on PrinceVault. However I didn’t find the exact source of it so I just posted the tracklist. But you can find the tracklist and the timings on Google.

[Edited 4/27/19 10:56am]

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #265 posted 04/27/19 11:19am

violetcrush

Vannormal said:

ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]

-

Found 'Kep Woman'.. a song for Bria Valente...

I honestly don't think that anyone knows it was even done by her, except for (most?) Prince fans.

'Bliss' ? by Kahoru Kohiruimaki (...), the same story I guess just like 'Mind Bells'...

-

Other (more) famous Prince songs written for others imho are:

- Nasty Girl (Vanity 6)

- G-Spot (indeed!!)

- Love Song (Madonna, maybe even 'By Alien Means' but this one is completely unknown to most...)

- The Bird (The Time)

- The Belle Of St.-Mark

- Blue Limousine (Apollonia 6)

etc...

-

[Edited 4/27/19 11:01am]

Love Blue Limousine!! My favorite on the A6 album.

*

Love Song was a co-write and a duet with Prince and Madonna though. Is there a demo with just his vocals on that one??

Reply #266 posted 04/27/19 11:48am

JoeyLondon

biggrin eek biggrin

I've been working on this "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Soooo many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

Spotify: http://bit.ly/WrittenByPrince

Apple Music: https://apple.co/2J03Ozi

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 12:20pm]

Reply #267 posted 04/27/19 12:00pm

Kares

databank said:

Crazy thing is Sheila E. owns the royalties and official authorship for Holly Rock. I guess the Estate can get away with saying that Prince composed it since it's true, but I guess they're gonna have to pay her the royalties nonetheless lol

.

Sheila owns the publishing rights to that song, so as the registered writer, she'll get the royalites for every copy sold and every time it is performed in concert by anyone or every time it's played on the radio, for every copy of a score sold etc.
.
But there's nothing "to get away with" for the Estate, they own Prince's recording of the song and they were free to license it to Warners for a set period of time. Warners will pay the Estate the licence fee for the distribution rights of the recording, and they will pay royalties to Sheila for the publishing righst of the composition for every copy sold.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #268 posted 04/27/19 12:14pm

Kares

JoeyLondon said:

biggrin eek biggrin

I've been working on this, "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Below are links to the playlist on Apple Music and Spotify. So many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

[url=https://open.spotify.com/user/grprink/playlist/1As6yGZ91ovp4BELzlNYZO?si=klNAw46UQc-kUIn6Ad8WYg[/url]


https://itunes.apple.com/...PqDHN7oMae

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 11:53am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:55am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:56am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:58am]

.

Stand Back wasn't written by Prince. He got a part of the publishing as a gesture by Nicks in recognition of being inspired by LRC and using its chord sequence but I wouldn't call it "a song written by Prince".

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #269 posted 04/27/19 12:24pm

JoeyLondon

Thanks! Thought i read that, but wasn't sure. I'l remove.

Kares said:

JoeyLondon said:

biggrin eek biggrin

I've been working on this, "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Below are links to the playlist on Apple Music and Spotify. So many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

[url=https://open.spotify.com/user/grprink/playlist/1As6yGZ91ovp4BELzlNYZO?si=klNAw46UQc-kUIn6Ad8WYg[/url]


https://itunes.apple.com/...PqDHN7oMae

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 11:53am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:55am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:56am]

[Edited 4/27/19 11:58am]

.

Stand Back wasn't written by Prince. He got a part of the publishing as a gesture by Nicks in recognition of being inspired by LRC and using its chord sequence but I wouldn't call it "a song written by Prince".

Reply #270 posted 04/27/19 1:14pm

databank

Kares said:

 



databank said:


Crazy thing is Sheila E. owns the royalties and official authorship for Holly Rock. I guess the Estate can get away with saying that Prince composed it since it's true, but I guess they're gonna have to pay her the royalties nonetheless  lol



.


Sheila owns the publishing rights to that song, so as the registered writer, she'll get the royalites for every copy sold and every time it is performed in concert by anyone or every time it's played on the radio, for every copy of a score sold etc.
.
But there's nothing "to get away with" for the Estate, they own Prince's recording of the song and they were free to license it to Warners for a set period of time. Warners will pay the Estate the licence fee for the distribution rights of the recording, and they will pay royalties to Sheila for the publishing righst of the composition for every copy sold.


I love Sheila but she's been really weird claiming she wrote all those Prince songs. What I meant is if she stood by it she'd have to sue the Estate. But of course she won't.
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Reply #271 posted 04/27/19 1:26pm

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.

Sheila owns the publishing rights to that song, so as the registered writer, she'll get the royalites for every copy sold and every time it is performed in concert by anyone or every time it's played on the radio, for every copy of a score sold etc.
.
But there's nothing "to get away with" for the Estate, they own Prince's recording of the song and they were free to license it to Warners for a set period of time. Warners will pay the Estate the licence fee for the distribution rights of the recording, and they will pay royalties to Sheila for the publishing righst of the composition for every copy sold.

I love Sheila but she's been really weird claiming she wrote all those Prince songs. What I meant is if she stood by it she'd have to sue the Estate. But of course she won't.

.
Why would she have to sue? For what?

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #272 posted 04/27/19 1:36pm

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

Kares said: I love Sheila but she's been really weird claiming she wrote all those Prince songs. What I meant is if she stood by it she'd have to sue the Estate. But of course she won't.

.
Why would she have to sue? For what?

If I had written a song that was registered to my name, legally and all, and someone claimed I didn't write it although I did, and I could afford a lawyer, I guess I'd sue as a matter of principle regardless of whether I'd get the royalties or not. IDK. Can you claim you wrote a song you cover as long as you pay royalties for your cover, wouldn't the author be entitled to sue for usurpation of identity or something?

Sheila insists so hard on saying she wrote all those songs despite 25 years of Per/Uptown/Duane research... IDK why she does it, she had a career long before Prince and had one since, she's got nothing to prove, she's respected by the community (and me) for what she is and does, not the songs Prince gave her. But if she really wants to claim ownership she should sue.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home

I apologize for every time I offended someone when debates got "heated". Love y'all yes
Reply #273 posted 04/27/19 1:38pm

love2thenines2003

GIRL written 4 the Time would have been so great on this compilation....it is a pity !

Reply #274 posted 04/27/19 1:56pm

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.
Why would she have to sue? For what?

If I had written a song that was registered to my name, legally and all, and someone claimed I didn't write it although I did, and I could afford a lawyer, I guess I'd sue as a matter of principle regardless of whether I'd get the royalties or not. IDK. Can you claim you wrote a song you cover as long as you pay royalties for your cover, wouldn't the author be entitled to sue for usurpation of identity or something?

Sheila insists so hard on saying she wrote all those songs despite 25 years of Per/Uptown/Duane research... IDK why she does it, she had a career long before Prince and had one since, she's got nothing to prove, she's respected by the community (and me) for what she is and does, not the songs Prince gave her. But if she really wants to claim ownership she should sue.

.
Oh you mean she could sue because the marketing materials and probably the cover of 'Originals' says that those are songs written by Prince? (While they'll still be credited to Sheila, obviously, as that's how they're registered at ASCAP.

.
Interesting question, but I don't think that she could sue for that. The thing is: publishing rights CAN be sold legally (at least in certain countries, such as the USA or the UK), so just because a song is officially registered to someone (who therefore owns its publishing) it does not necessarily mean that they actually wrote it. But it will definitely look awkward on the record cover that the liner notes will say "songs written by Prince" while the actual credits will say Sheila E for some songs. smile
Maybe they'll explain this in the liner notes. But if Sheila would complain, they can always say "you're credited, you're getting the royalties so be glad we're releasing the songs!"
.
By the way, I don't get Sheila either. I admire her as a musician, but I really didn't like when she started talking about Prince's proposal to her after he passed away. I really don't know what to think about that – to me the story sounds a bit fishy, especially because she never talked about it while Prince was alive, even though she could've mentioned in her book. She's very openly talking about many private things in the book (it's worth reading) so she could've mentioned this one too...

[Edited 4/28/19 1:22am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #275 posted 04/27/19 1:56pm

databank

databank said:

 



Kares said:


 



databank said:


Kares said: I love Sheila but she's been really weird claiming she wrote all those Prince songs. What I meant is if she stood by it she'd have to sue the Estate. But of course she won't.

.
Why would she have to sue? For what? 



If I had written a song that was registered to my name, legally and all, and someone claimed I didn't write it although I did, and I could afford a lawyer, I guess I'd sue as a matter of principle regardless of whether I'd get the royalties or not. IDK. Can you claim you wrote a song you cover as long as you pay royalties for your cover, wouldn't the author be entitled to sue for usurpation of identity or something?


Sheila insists so hard on saying she wrote all those songs despite 25 years of Per/Uptown/Duane research... IDK why she does it, she had a career long before Prince and had one since, she's got nothing to prove, she's respected by the community (and me) for what she is and does, not the songs Prince gave her. But if she really wants to claim ownership she should sue.


I realize this is true for Dear Michaelangelo, too
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Reply #276 posted 04/27/19 2:15pm

feeluupp

So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album lol

Reply #277 posted 04/27/19 3:50pm

darkroman

JoeyLondon said:

biggrin eek biggrin


 


I've been working on this "Written by Prince" Playlist.  I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc.  Soooo many great ones are not yet available for streaming.  Hopefully they will be in the future.  I'll keep updating . . .   


 


Spotify: http://bit.ly/WrittenByPrince


 


Apple Music: https://apple.co/2J03Ozi


 


Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 12:20pm]



Prince didn't write the Kate Bush track! He was merely asked to add a bit of production and vocals which Kate hated so she did her own production. Even Prince knew Kate was way out of his league! !
Reply #278 posted 04/27/19 5:29pm

PurpleBlackmon

I thought Tidal only had distribution rights to stuff recorded after Prince left WB the first time.

Reply #279 posted 04/27/19 5:33pm

JoeyLondon

darkroman said:

JoeyLondon said:

biggrin eek biggrin

I've been working on this "Written by Prince" Playlist. I case you wanna listen/follow, critique, fact check, give suggesions, etc. Soooo many great ones are not yet available for streaming. Hopefully they will be in the future. I'll keep updating . . .

Spotify: http://bit.ly/WrittenByPrince

Apple Music: https://apple.co/2J03Ozi

Pre-Ordering the Prince Originals bundle today!!!

[Edited 4/27/19 12:20pm]

Prince didn't write the Kate Bush track! He was merely asked to add a bit of production and vocals which Kate hated so she did her own production. Even Prince knew Kate was way out of his league! !

Wasn't 100% sure on that one. Thanks for the info - I'm removing. smile

Reply #280 posted 04/27/19 11:43pm

Kares

darkroman said:

Even Prince knew Kate was way out of his league! !

.

Don't be ridiculous. I love Kate Bush but that is a really ignorant statement.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #281 posted 04/28/19 2:13am

JorisE73

databank said:

JorisE73 said:


I heared when those 2 albums came out that Prince intentionally put tracks on them that he had no use for when WB rejected them (Zannalee, the Same December and I Like it There he wanted thoise as B-sides for singles of The Gold Experience but WB didn't want that and rejected the idea. That's what I was told.) So he collected and 'finished' the songs where needed and put them on those two records, but intentionally made them a 'bootleg' like collection.

I had never heard this about b-sides before, interesting. May I ask your source?

If Prince wanted it to be bootleg-like my opinion he totally failed at it. CB was more in line with this kind of spirit (though much carefully sequenced than the songs selection would lead us to believe).



I used to subscribe to a dutch Prince and later prince newsletter in the 90's (this was not online but on paper and mailed every month) that leaked both tracklists of Chaos and Teh Vault and the info on them a couple of weeks before they were released. The person who did that newsletter had contacts with in WB and was always a reliable source for good info, haven't a clue who that person was tho. I only subscribed to that newsletter after I heard people talk about it and gave me the subscription info at either one of the Nude Tour concerts or the Diamonds and Pearls concerts in Rotterdam, don;t remember exactly.

Reply #282 posted 04/28/19 2:33am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

If I had written a song that was registered to my name, legally and all, and someone claimed I didn't write it although I did, and I could afford a lawyer, I guess I'd sue as a matter of principle regardless of whether I'd get the royalties or not. IDK. Can you claim you wrote a song you cover as long as you pay royalties for your cover, wouldn't the author be entitled to sue for usurpation of identity or something?

Sheila insists so hard on saying she wrote all those songs despite 25 years of Per/Uptown/Duane research... IDK why she does it, she had a career long before Prince and had one since, she's got nothing to prove, she's respected by the community (and me) for what she is and does, not the songs Prince gave her. But if she really wants to claim ownership she should sue.

.
Oh you mean she could sue because the marketing materials and probably the cover of 'Originals' says that those are songs written by Prince? (While they'll still be credited to Sheila, obviously, as that's how they're registered at ASCAP.

.
Interesting question, but I don't think that she could sue for that. The thing is: publishing rights CAN be sold legally (at least in certain countries, such as the USA or the UK), so just because a song is officially registered to someone (who therefore owns its publishing) it does not necessarily mean that they actually wrote it. But it will definitely look awkward on the record cover that the liner notes will say "songs written by Prince" while the actual credits will say Sheila E for some songs. smile
Maybe they'll explain this in the liner notes. But if Sheila would complain, they can always say "you're credited, you're getting the royalties so be glad we're releasing the songs!"
.
By the way, I don't get Sheila either. I admire her as a musician, but I really didn't like when she started talking about Prince's proposal to her after he passed away. I really don't know what to think about that – to me the story sounds a bit fishy, especially because she never talked about it while Prince was alive, even though she could've mentioned in her book. She's very openly talking about many private things in the book (it's worth reading) so she could've mentioned this one too...

[Edited 4/28/19 1:22am]

Yes I meant it that way. Of course she had little to gain in taking legal action but that indeed creates a funny situation.

Anything personal Sheila may choose to reveal about her relationship with Prince is up to her, none of our business in a way. I find it more annoying when it's about the 84-85 songs, because it's about the music. I remember this long interview (Red Bull Academy I think) where it was really obvious the host had been instructed not to even mention Prince, and he had to go to great lengths to avoid saying his name or evoking their collaborative works, discussing her 84 tour, the shooting of music videos or Krush Groove instead. It was a little embarrassing despite the rest of the interview being great and informative.

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Reply #283 posted 04/28/19 3:46am

NME01

Mikado said:

I find it funny people are calling Jay-Z a retarded rapper when, in reality, dude is a better businessman than Prince ever was.


A rather low bar to hit, really.
Reply #284 posted 04/28/19 4:25am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.
Oh you mean she could sue because the marketing materials and probably the cover of 'Originals' says that those are songs written by Prince? (While they'll still be credited to Sheila, obviously, as that's how they're registered at ASCAP.

.
Interesting question, but I don't think that she could sue for that. The thing is: publishing rights CAN be sold legally (at least in certain countries, such as the USA or the UK), so just because a song is officially registered to someone (who therefore owns its publishing) it does not necessarily mean that they actually wrote it. But it will definitely look awkward on the record cover that the liner notes will say "songs written by Prince" while the actual credits will say Sheila E for some songs. smile
Maybe they'll explain this in the liner notes. But if Sheila would complain, they can always say "you're credited, you're getting the royalties so be glad we're releasing the songs!"
.
By the way, I don't get Sheila either. I admire her as a musician, but I really didn't like when she started talking about Prince's proposal to her after he passed away. I really don't know what to think about that – to me the story sounds a bit fishy, especially because she never talked about it while Prince was alive, even though she could've mentioned in her book. She's very openly talking about many private things in the book (it's worth reading) so she could've mentioned this one too...

[Edited 4/28/19 1:22am]

Yes I meant it that way. Of course she had little to gain in taking legal action but that indeed creates a funny situation.

Anything personal Sheila may choose to reveal about her relationship with Prince is up to her, none of our business in a way. I find it more annoying when it's about the 84-85 songs, because it's about the music. I remember this long interview (Red Bull Academy I think) where it was really obvious the host had been instructed not to even mention Prince, and he had to go to great lengths to avoid saying his name or evoking their collaborative works, discussing her 84 tour, the shooting of music videos or Krush Groove instead. It was a little embarrassing despite the rest of the interview being great and informative.

.

In her book, where she talks about recording her first album with Prince, she says "he’d cowritten most of the songs, and performed on almost all of them. Another song he and I cowrote was 'Noon Rendezvous." So at least in the book she admits the official credits are inaccurate to say the least.
.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #285 posted 04/28/19 4:43am

jstar69

Kares said:

 



databank said:


 



Kares said:


 


.
Oh you mean she could sue because the marketing materials and probably the cover of 'Originals' says that those are songs written by Prince? (While they'll still be credited to Sheila, obviously, as that's how they're registered at ASCAP.


.
Interesting question, but I don't think that she could sue for that. The thing is: publishing rights CAN be sold legally (at least in certain countries, such as the USA or the UK), so just because a song is officially registered to someone (who therefore owns its publishing) it does not necessarily mean that they actually wrote it. But it will definitely look awkward on the record cover that the liner notes will say "songs written by Prince" while the actual credits will say Sheila E for some songs. smile 
Maybe they'll explain this in the liner notes. But if Sheila would complain, they can always say "you're credited, you're getting the royalties so be glad we're releasing the songs!"
.
By the way, I don't get Sheila either. I admire her as a musician, but I really didn't like when she started talking about Prince's proposal to her after he passed away. I really don't know what to think about that – to me the story sounds a bit fishy, especially because she never talked about it while Prince was alive, even though she could've mentioned in her book. She's very openly talking about many private things in the book (it's worth reading) so she could've mentioned this one too...


[Edited 4/28/19 1:22am]



Yes I meant it that way. Of course she had little to gain in taking legal action but that indeed  creates a funny situation.


Anything personal Sheila may choose to reveal about her relationship with Prince is up to her,  none of our business in a way. I find it more annoying when it's about the 84-85 songs, because it's about the music. I remember this long  interview (Red Bull Academy I think) where it was really obvious the host had been instructed not to even mention Prince, and he had to go to great lengths to avoid saying his name or evoking their collaborative works, discussing her 84 tour, the  shooting of music videos or Krush Groove instead. It was a little embarrassing despite the rest of the interview being great and informative.



.


In her book, where she talks about recording her first album with Prince, she says "he’d cowritten most of the songs, and performed on almost all of them. Another song he and I cowrote was 'Noon Rendezvous." So at least in the book she admits the official credits are inaccurate to say the least.
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I think we all know Sheila’s become a little bit proper of late, and maybe a touch loopy! Ok back on track with the thread we get!
[Edited 4/28/19 4:44am]
Reply #286 posted 04/28/19 6:49am

fabriziovenerandi

To be honest: we have not that songs. I'm happy for this release because actually we have the shadows of that songs. I search on my hard disk "Dear Michealangelo" and I listen it for a while. I stopped it. I can not listen it with pleasure, because the sound is awful.

I hope estate will publish Prince albums that give joy in listening, i don't care if someone has somewhere a poor quality bootleg of the song.

Reply #287 posted 04/28/19 7:39am

violetcrush

fabriziovenerandi said:

To be honest: we have not that songs. I'm happy for this release because actually we have the shadows of that songs. I search on my hard disk "Dear Michealangelo" and I listen it for a while. I stopped it. I can not listen it with pleasure, because the sound is awful.

I hope estate will publish Prince albums that give joy in listening, i don't care if someone has somewhere a poor quality bootleg of the song.

Yes, sound quality is everything. I still listen to the low quality boots, but am always wishing they would sound better.

Reply #288 posted 04/28/19 9:14am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

This is the one that will be interesting to hear Prince's version.
It seems like it might sound much different from the released version.

You're My Love

Although exact recording dates are not known, basic tracking for Prince's original version took place in Spring-Summer 1982 at Prince's Kiowa Trail Home Studio. In 1984, the song was considered for The Family, but no new recording was done on the track at the time. A mix was done the following year on 25 September 1985 at Sunset Sound in Hollywood, California.

Clare Fischer added orchestral overdubs in May 1986, by which time it was attributed to Prince and the Revolution, but Kenny Rogers and his band re-recorded the song in the Spring or Summer of 1986 (at one of several studios - Garden Rakes, Sherman Oaks, CA, USA; Conway, Hollywood, California; Can/Am, Tarzana, CA, USA; House Of Gold, Nashville, TN, USA or The Garage, Nashville, TN, USA), and the released version contains no musical input by Prince. The released version contains background vocals by El DeBarge, who would later record and release another track by Prince, Tip O' My Tongue.

-PVault

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Reply #289 posted 04/28/19 9:45am

Romeoblu

OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


This is the one that will be interesting to hear Prince's version.
It seems like it might sound much different from the released version.



 



 



You're My Love



Although exact recording dates are not known, basic tracking for Prince's original version took place in Spring-Summer 1982 at Prince's Kiowa Trail Home Studio. In 1984, the song was considered for The Family, but no new recording was done on the track at the time. A mix was done the following year on 25 September 1985 at Sunset Sound in Hollywood, California.



Clare Fischer added orchestral overdubs in May 1986, by which time it was attributed to Prince and the Revolution, but Kenny Rogers and his band re-recorded the song in the Spring or Summer of 1986 (at one of several studios - Garden Rakes, Sherman Oaks, CA, USA; Conway, Hollywood, California; Can/Am, Tarzana, CA, USA; House Of Gold, Nashville, TN, USA or The Garage, Nashville, TN, USA), and the released version contains no musical input by Prince. The released version contains background vocals by El DeBarge, who would later record and release another track by Prince, Tip O' My Tongue.



-PVault


 



I really hope it does as the production on Kenny's version is horrible.

I think it must have something about it otherwise they would not have picked it.
Reply #290 posted 04/28/19 9:47am

databank

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the one that will be interesting to hear Prince's version.
It seems like it might sound much different from the released version.

You're My Love

Although exact recording dates are not known, basic tracking for Prince's original version took place in Spring-Summer 1982 at Prince's Kiowa Trail Home Studio. In 1984, the song was considered for The Family, but no new recording was done on the track at the time. A mix was done the following year on 25 September 1985 at Sunset Sound in Hollywood, California.

Clare Fischer added orchestral overdubs in May 1986, by which time it was attributed to Prince and the Revolution, but Kenny Rogers and his band re-recorded the song in the Spring or Summer of 1986 (at one of several studios - Garden Rakes, Sherman Oaks, CA, USA; Conway, Hollywood, California; Can/Am, Tarzana, CA, USA; House Of Gold, Nashville, TN, USA or The Garage, Nashville, TN, USA), and the released version contains no musical input by Prince. The released version contains background vocals by El DeBarge, who would later record and release another track by Prince, Tip O' My Tongue.

-PVault

Agreed, I've always wondered how it sounded. But it appears it's going to be the original 1982 version not the final, 1986 one that apparently is the one sent to KR. It'd have been nice to hear it as such with strings and all, but even the first mix will be interesting to hear and compare to the very, very corny KR version.

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Reply #291 posted 04/28/19 10:13am

violetcrush

databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is the one that will be interesting to hear Prince's version.
It seems like it might sound much different from the released version.

You're My Love

Although exact recording dates are not known, basic tracking for Prince's original version took place in Spring-Summer 1982 at Prince's Kiowa Trail Home Studio. In 1984, the song was considered for The Family, but no new recording was done on the track at the time. A mix was done the following year on 25 September 1985 at Sunset Sound in Hollywood, California.

Clare Fischer added orchestral overdubs in May 1986, by which time it was attributed to Prince and the Revolution, but Kenny Rogers and his band re-recorded the song in the Spring or Summer of 1986 (at one of several studios - Garden Rakes, Sherman Oaks, CA, USA; Conway, Hollywood, California; Can/Am, Tarzana, CA, USA; House Of Gold, Nashville, TN, USA or The Garage, Nashville, TN, USA), and the released version contains no musical input by Prince. The released version contains background vocals by El DeBarge, who would later record and release another track by Prince, Tip O' My Tongue.

-PVault

Agreed, I've always wondered how it sounded. But it appears it's going to be the original 1982 version not the final, 1986 one that apparently is the one sent to KR. It'd have been nice to hear it as such with strings and all, but even the first mix will be interesting to hear and compare to the very, very corny KR version.

It would be great to hear both the original and also Prince's 1986 version with Clare's arrangement.

Reply #292 posted 04/28/19 12:15pm

Mikado

jstar69 said:

Kares said:

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In her book, where she talks about recording her first album with Prince, she says "he’d cowritten most of the songs, and performed on almost all of them. Another song he and I cowrote was 'Noon Rendezvous." So at least in the book she admits the official credits are inaccurate to say the least.
.

I think we all know Sheila’s become a little bit proper of late, and maybe a touch loopy! Ok back on track with the thread we get!


She'd fit right in on here. lol

A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #293 posted 04/28/19 1:39pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Very exciting! I need to pre-order! I agree with some that there are a ton of other songs that could be on such a release. I think that there could be 4 or 5 volumes (and some of us would still not be statified).

I could list my next 15 or maybe 30 wish list...but why bother! I am super happy this is a thing.



EDIT FOLLOWS

And remember donnyenglish mentioned this!

4/7/19 Release by Tidal? https://prince.org/msg/7/458941

So Props! Some suggested it was made up this seems like vindication.


also as I said in that topic Tidal could release more at any time. It was suggested to me that they wanted this to be a surprise. But who knows.

[Edited 4/28/19 13:47pm]

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #294 posted 04/28/19 3:03pm

BartVanHemelen

OnlyNDaUsa said:



And remember donnyenglish mentioned this!

4/7/19 Release by Tidal? https://prince.org/msg/7/458941

So Props! Some suggested it was made up this seems like vindication.

.

Oh please, what bullshit. He said a release on 7 April. Which didn't happen.

.

Sweet lord, some of you are beyond ridiculous.

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Reply #295 posted 04/28/19 3:38pm

OnlyNDaUsa

BartVanHemelen said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



And remember donnyenglish mentioned this!

4/7/19 Release by Tidal? https://prince.org/msg/7/458941

So Props! Some suggested it was made up this seems like vindication.

.

Oh please, what bullshit. He said a release on 7 April. Which didn't happen.

.

Sweet lord, some of you are beyond ridiculous.

come on he was off by 2 months... every thing else was spot on... even you've got to give it to him... even if he made it up!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #296 posted 04/28/19 7:39pm

bluegangsta

feeluupp said:

So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album lol

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #297 posted 04/28/19 10:44pm

rdhull

NME01 said:

Mikado said:

I find it funny people are calling Jay-Z a retarded rapper when, in reality, dude is a better businessman than Prince ever was.


A rather low bar to hit, really.

Even so, Jay is a billionaire... an awesome feat
And yes all you know it alls I know it’s total combined etc with him and his equally successful wife... still.. stfu
c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #298 posted 04/28/19 11:54pm

funkycomic

RicoN said:

Does anybody stil subscribe to Tidal?

i do and i think its the best streaming service.

Reply #299 posted 04/29/19 1:37am

Vannormal

andykeen said:

Am I the only one annoyed by the artwork. Like to me, the album should represent his dirty mind recordings because of the artwork.

-

Well, only Wouldn't You Love To Love Me was originally written in 1976

But I really love the artwork, a picture of 1982 I believe

by Allen Beaulieu.

Somhow you're right, but than again, this is a smart move.

Imagine this in recordshops... it's an eye catcher.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #300 posted 04/29/19 1:52am

jaawwnn

bluegangsta said:

feeluupp said:

So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album lol

falloff

Oh my God, seamless.


Here, do we know if there's anything extra on the "deluxe edition" of this? Being that they're demos I don't really see much reason to get this on vinyl, CD should be fine, but maybe some decent liner notes would be worth spending on....

Reply #301 posted 04/29/19 3:06am

BartVanHemelen

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Oh please, what bullshit. He said a release on 7 April. Which didn't happen.

.

Sweet lord, some of you are beyond ridiculous.

come on he was off by 2 months... every thing else was spot on...

.

How about you read the link I posted there.

.

Sweet jebus, some of you lot remember nothing.

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Reply #302 posted 04/29/19 5:12am

IstenSzek

bluegangsta said:

feeluupp said:

So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album lol


falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff

eye logo and all lol giggle


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #303 posted 04/29/19 5:14am

fabriziovenerandi

BartVanHemelen said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

come on he was off by 2 months... every thing else was spot on...

.

How about you read the link I posted there.

.

Sweet jebus, some of you lot remember nothing.

I think you do not remember all the bullshits you wrote about Prince here in latest, uh, 20+ years.

We are helping you not to spend all your money in psychotherapists, but let us breathe.

f.

Reply #304 posted 04/29/19 5:31am

Kares

feeluupp said:

So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album lol

.

More like a 'Highlights from BFTP'. A 'Blast From The Past 7.0' would have 4-5x more material and it probably would be better curated too.

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Reply #305 posted 04/29/19 6:05am

Mikado

bluegangsta said:

 



feeluupp said:


So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album  lol



 





Thank God you put a watermark on that baby. Wouldn't want anyone to jack a Photoshop that took 5 minutes to make.
A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #306 posted 04/29/19 7:14am

dodger

IstenSzek said:

bluegangsta said:


falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff

eye logo and all lol giggle


Funny but you do wonder if there is anything to be read into the snippet (all 3 seconds) of Gigolos Get Lonely Too...

Reply #307 posted 04/29/19 7:47am

mclihah2

I wish I could get this comparison out of my head

Too many similarities for my liking - Yuck

Reply #308 posted 04/29/19 7:51am

mclihah2

I'll labour the point further

Reply #309 posted 04/29/19 8:02am

Mikado

mclihah2 said:

 


I wish I could get this comparison out of my head


 


Too many similarities for my liking - Yuck


 




Yuck? It's an album cover, pal. lol
A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #310 posted 04/29/19 8:07am

mclihah2

You're right Mikado - My problem is that I'm in the "Michael Jackson did it" camp - Which I understand many people are not - so not wanting to get into a flame war at all smile

All that being said - I'll go and take a chill pill and get on with my life

Reply #311 posted 04/29/19 9:00am

databank

mclihah2 said:

I wish I could get this comparison out of my head

Too many similarities for my liking - Yuck

To their defense, the graffiti was on the DM back cover: http://www.vinylmeplease....ack-cover/

My problem is more with forcing the DM esthetics to a compilation spanning 1981-1991. Makes little sense to me. Ideally they could have made a collage of the related artists' albums or singles' covers, but I guess for all the non-WB stuff there would have been rights issues.

Ideally, as with The Dance Electric, I'm even surprised they can get away with using the backing tracks of songs owned by other labels (Manic and Love in that case), since technically owning those masters mean owning every bit of sound on them. WB could technically haver been forced to pay a sample licence.

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Reply #312 posted 04/29/19 9:02am

Mikado

mclihah2 said:

You're right Mikado - My problem is that I'm in the "Michael Jackson did it" camp - Which I understand many people are not - so not wanting to get into a flame war at all  smile


 


All that being said - I'll go and take a chill pill and get on with my life



databank has it right - the artwork originally appeared during the Dirty Mind era. Obviously we can debate over whether it was right to have that era represent the set, but it strikes me as a bit childish to go (ewww... MJ!). Normally his fans do that. wink
[Edited 4/29/19 9:10am]
A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #313 posted 04/29/19 9:26am

IstenSzek

databank said:

mclihah2 said:

I wish I could get this comparison out of my head

Too many similarities for my liking - Yuck

To their defense, the graffiti was on the DM back cover: http://www.vinylmeplease....ack-cover/

My problem is more with forcing the DM esthetics to a compilation spanning 1981-1991. Makes little sense to me. Ideally they could have made a collage of the related artists' albums or singles' covers, but I guess for all the non-WB stuff there would have been rights issues.

Ideally, as with The Dance Electric, I'm even surprised they can get away with using the backing tracks of songs owned by other labels (Manic and Love in that case), since technically owning those masters mean owning every bit of sound on them. WB could technically haver been forced to pay a sample licence.


they're actually all in the booklet with the release, so no issues there smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #314 posted 04/29/19 9:32am

ThirdStrike

I'm just wondering when they'll drop a single?!? It'd be nice to hear one of hese before the June 7th release date. Wait, how would that even work? Maybe release a single on Tidal only for 14 days? Damn politics...

Reply #315 posted 04/29/19 9:38am

tmcjb

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

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Reply #316 posted 04/29/19 9:40am

Kares

databank said:

.

Ideally, as with The Dance Electric, I'm even surprised they can get away with using the backing tracks of songs owned by other labels (Manic and Love in that case), since technically owning those masters mean owning every bit of sound on them. WB could technically haver been forced to pay a sample licence.

.
Not really, as Prince owned the multitracks (and they aren't even protected by copyright as they weren't published). Only the final mixdown tapes with Martika's or Sheena Easton's or the Bangles' or whomever's vocals are owned by their record companies, but Prince was (and now the Estate still is) free to reuse or release the same multitracks for a new mixdown tape without these other artists' vocals. (As he has reused the basic rhythm tracks of 'Love... Thy Will Be Done' for 'One Of Us', for example.)

.

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Reply #317 posted 04/29/19 10:00am

databank

IstenSzek said:

databank said:

To their defense, the graffiti was on the DM back cover: http://www.vinylmeplease....ack-cover/

My problem is more with forcing the DM esthetics to a compilation spanning 1981-1991. Makes little sense to me. Ideally they could have made a collage of the related artists' albums or singles' covers, but I guess for all the non-WB stuff there would have been rights issues.

Ideally, as with The Dance Electric, I'm even surprised they can get away with using the backing tracks of songs owned by other labels (Manic and Love in that case), since technically owning those masters mean owning every bit of sound on them. WB could technically haver been forced to pay a sample licence.


they're actually all in the booklet with the release, so no issues there smile

I guess booklet would be fair use but cover IDK.

Where and how did you see the booklet??

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Reply #318 posted 04/29/19 10:11am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

.

Ideally, as with The Dance Electric, I'm even surprised they can get away with using the backing tracks of songs owned by other labels (Manic and Love in that case), since technically owning those masters mean owning every bit of sound on them. WB could technically haver been forced to pay a sample licence.

.
Not really, as Prince owned the multitracks (and they aren't even protected by copyright as they weren't published). Only the final mixdown tapes with Martika's or Sheena Easton's or the Bangles' or whomever's vocals are owned by their record companies, but Prince was (and now the Estate still is) free to reuse or release the same multitracks for a new mixdown tape without these other artists' vocals. (As he has reused the basic rhythm tracks of 'Love... Thy Will Be Done' for 'One Of Us', for example.)

.

Are you certain of that? I mean is there any jurisprudence on a case like this?

Because he got away with One Of Us of course (and many others, including lots of WB-owned things he used after leaving WB), but for example it's been widely speculated (including by people in P's entourage) that WB would have been in a position to block the sampler series release had Prince pursued this project, despite the samples coming from the multitracks.

Typically, George Clinton once had to licence a sample from Capitol... to sample himself falloff He could simply have claimed to have used the multitracks (but admitedly he may just not have thought of that).

To put it another way, if Prince had wanted to rerecord his whole discography and release it to compete with WB, following your argument it would have meant he could simply have remixed all the songs and gotten away with it? I find this hard to believe. This would create a legal loophole that'd mean that artists can basically avoid labels masters-ownership by remixing a track or even whole albums without the original label's approval and that's unheard of as far as I know.

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Reply #319 posted 04/29/19 10:32am

jaawwnn

databank said:

mclihah2 said:

I wish I could get this comparison out of my head

Too many similarities for my liking - Yuck

To their defense, the graffiti was on the DM back cover: http://www.vinylmeplease....ack-cover/

My problem is more with forcing the DM esthetics to a compilation spanning 1981-1991. Makes little sense to me. Ideally they could have made a collage of the related artists' albums or singles' covers, but I guess for all the non-WB stuff there would have been rights issues.

Ideally, as with The Dance Electric, I'm even surprised they can get away with using the backing tracks of songs owned by other labels (Manic and Love in that case), since technically owning those masters mean owning every bit of sound on them. WB could technically haver been forced to pay a sample licence.

Not much of a defense though is it? It's a weak as hell image for this release. The Eye Records comparison is spot-on.

My most generous guess is they're trying to draw a comparison between Dirty Mind sounding like a demo for the fuller Prince sound and these tracks being demo-like in quality (I assume).

I'd say the MJ thing is co-incidental, although it's pretty funny.

Reply #320 posted 04/29/19 10:33am

violetcrush

databank said:

Kares said:

.
Not really, as Prince owned the multitracks (and they aren't even protected by copyright as they weren't published). Only the final mixdown tapes with Martika's or Sheena Easton's or the Bangles' or whomever's vocals are owned by their record companies, but Prince was (and now the Estate still is) free to reuse or release the same multitracks for a new mixdown tape without these other artists' vocals. (As he has reused the basic rhythm tracks of 'Love... Thy Will Be Done' for 'One Of Us', for example.)

.

Are you certain of that? I mean is there any jurisprudence on a case like this?

Because he got away with One Of Us of course (and many others, including lots of WB-owned things he used after leaving WB), but for example it's been widely speculated (including by people in P's entourage) that WB would have been in a position to block the sampler series release had Prince pursued this project, despite the samples coming from the multitracks.

Typically, George Clinton once had to licence a sample from Capitol... to sample himself falloff He could simply have claimed to have used the multitracks (but admitedly he may just not have thought of that).

To put it another way, if Prince had wanted to rerecord his whole discography and release it to compete with WB, following your argument it would have meant he could simply have remixed all the songs and gotten away with it? I find this hard to believe. This would create a legal loophole that'd mean that artists can basically avoid labels masters-ownership by remixing a track or even whole albums without the original label's approval and that's unheard of as far as I know.

Didn't Prince say (during the late 90's when he was fighting WB for his masters -

*

"If I want to own Purple Rain I'd have to re-record it" ??? And I think I remember him saying "we're in the process of re-recording everything I did with WB..." or something similar to that.

*

Is this what you are talking about? Sorry, I'm really a layman when it comes to the legalities of the recording industry.

Reply #321 posted 04/29/19 10:34am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.
Not really, as Prince owned the multitracks (and they aren't even protected by copyright as they weren't published). Only the final mixdown tapes with Martika's or Sheena Easton's or the Bangles' or whomever's vocals are owned by their record companies, but Prince was (and now the Estate still is) free to reuse or release the same multitracks for a new mixdown tape without these other artists' vocals. (As he has reused the basic rhythm tracks of 'Love... Thy Will Be Done' for 'One Of Us', for example.)

.

Are you certain of that? I mean is there any jurisprudence on a case like this?

Because he got away with One Of Us of course (and many others, including lots of WB-owned things he used after leaving WB), but for example it's been widely speculated (including by people in P's entourage) that WB would have been in a position to block the sampler series release had Prince pursued this project, despite the samples coming from the multitracks.

Typically, George Clinton once had to licence a sample from Capitol... to sample himself falloff He could simply have claimed to have used the multitracks (but admitedly he may just not have thought of that).

To put it another way, if Prince had wanted to rerecord his whole discography and release it to compete with WB, following your argument it would have meant he could simply have remixed all the songs and gotten away with it? I find this hard to believe. This would create a legal loophole that'd mean that artists can basically avoid labels masters-ownership by remixing a track or even whole albums without the original label's approval and that's unheard of as far as I know.

.

I'm not 100% sure but that's my understanding of it. Clinton might have had a different contract – one that says "we finance all your recording sessions therefore every tape of every note you record belongs to us". Prince's contracts gave him the freedom to record whenever and whatever he wanted, he even recorded at home, and afaik only the final mixes he delivered to Warners and only those that were accepted by Warners for release became WB-property.

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Reply #322 posted 04/29/19 10:36am

IstenSzek

databank said:

IstenSzek said:


they're actually all in the booklet with the release, so no issues there smile

I guess booklet would be fair use but cover IDK.

Where and how did you see the booklet??


it popped up on facebook in a few places, around the time of the announcement,
along with the back cover. (just the songtitles black font on white background).

at first i thought it might be fanmade but after that i noticed that you can make
it out quite faintly in the BG of the promo shots they had on the large screen at
the celebration. the album and tracklist are there, on a purple background and
you can see, vaguely that the purple is overlaid on top op the artwork for the cd
and lp booklet.

nothing special really, just a very average collage of album and lp label artwork
for the original releases. i wonder if that's all we're going to get in the booklet,
since it was only about 4 pages worth of pics.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #323 posted 04/29/19 10:53am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

Are you certain of that? I mean is there any jurisprudence on a case like this?

Because he got away with One Of Us of course (and many others, including lots of WB-owned things he used after leaving WB), but for example it's been widely speculated (including by people in P's entourage) that WB would have been in a position to block the sampler series release had Prince pursued this project, despite the samples coming from the multitracks.

Typically, George Clinton once had to licence a sample from Capitol... to sample himself falloff He could simply have claimed to have used the multitracks (but admitedly he may just not have thought of that).

To put it another way, if Prince had wanted to rerecord his whole discography and release it to compete with WB, following your argument it would have meant he could simply have remixed all the songs and gotten away with it? I find this hard to believe. This would create a legal loophole that'd mean that artists can basically avoid labels masters-ownership by remixing a track or even whole albums without the original label's approval and that's unheard of as far as I know.

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I'm not 100% sure but that's my understanding of it. Clinton might have had a different contract – one that says "we finance all your recording sessions therefore every tape of every note you record belongs to us". Prince's contracts gave him the freedom to record whenever and whatever he wanted, he even recorded at home, and afaik only the final mixes he delivered to Warners and only those that were accepted by Warners for release became WB-property.

According to Alan Leeds this was not the case. He may be wrong but if anyone would have known it's him, and he once stated that anything Prince recorded between 1977 and 1996 belonged to them, including live shows.

If so, Prince actually took a chance releasing material such as CB, the Rave track and lots of the NPGMC material. Hell, he even rereleased things WB definitely owned (Interactive and Good Love on CB, Horny Pony and Thieves Extended on NPGMC).

Remarkably, Prince seemed quite decided to open the vault between 1998 and 2001, with all the aforementioned releases and announcements such as CBII, Roadhouse Garden, All My Dreams or the sampler series and all of a sudden: blam! Not. A. Single. WB. Era. Release. Anymore.

Ever.

It's circumstancial evidence at best, I realize that, but I wouldn't be surprised that after seeing him rerelease some WB tracks on NPGMC, WB had their lawyers send P a cease and desist and that was the end of it. They probably let it go with CB and all at first because their image had suffered enough with the 3 years-long wars they'd had with him, and they just wanted to put an end to this and suing him would have started it all over again, but I think at some point they realized they had to do something because he was testing their limits.

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Reply #324 posted 04/29/19 10:56am

databank

IstenSzek said:

databank said:

I guess booklet would be fair use but cover IDK.

Where and how did you see the booklet??


it popped up on facebook in a few places, around the time of the announcement,
along with the back cover. (just the songtitles black font on white background).

at first i thought it might be fanmade but after that i noticed that you can make
it out quite faintly in the BG of the promo shots they had on the large screen at
the celebration. the album and tracklist are there, on a purple background and
you can see, vaguely that the purple is overlaid on top op the artwork for the cd
and lp booklet.

nothing special really, just a very average collage of album and lp label artwork
for the original releases. i wonder if that's all we're going to get in the booklet,
since it was only about 4 pages worth of pics.


Maybe the deluxe edition will have liner notes? Like Militant said in his interview with Duane it'd be sad to release WYLTLM and not tell the audience that before fgiving it to Taja, he'd offered it to MJ. A minor song suddenly becomes pop history when you know this!

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Reply #325 posted 04/29/19 11:06am

fabriziovenerandi

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

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Probally I'll be the only one, but I'm not disappointed. I prefer to have a cool album to listen instead a pile of song.

Reply #326 posted 04/29/19 11:11am

databank

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

I haven't checked in Duane's book but I believe that those versions are the original recordings with Prince vocals, and were extended after Morris/Apples recorded their vocals. At some point there's nothing to do about this until you start fucking it up like they did with NC2U by adding additional elements from the final version to the original recording. I actually hope with all my heart that NC2U will be the real Prince mix instead of the atrocious shit we've been given last year.

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Reply #327 posted 04/29/19 11:12am

databank

fabriziovenerandi said:

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

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Probally I'll be the only one, but I'm not disappointed. I prefer to have a cool album to listen instead a pile of song.

The problem is that this sequencing appears to be just that: a pile of songs. It could have been so much better.

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Reply #328 posted 04/29/19 11:16am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

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I'm not 100% sure but that's my understanding of it. Clinton might have had a different contract – one that says "we finance all your recording sessions therefore every tape of every note you record belongs to us". Prince's contracts gave him the freedom to record whenever and whatever he wanted, he even recorded at home, and afaik only the final mixes he delivered to Warners and only those that were accepted by Warners for release became WB-property.

According to Alan Leeds this was not the case. He may be wrong but if anyone would have known it's him, and he once stated that anything Prince recorded between 1977 and 1996 belonged to them, including live shows.

If so, Prince actually took a chance releasing material such as CB, the Rave track and lots of the NPGMC material. Hell, he even rereleased things WB definitely owned (Interactive and Good Love on CB, Horny Pony and Thieves Extended on NPGMC).

Remarkably, Prince seemed quite decided to open the vault between 1998 and 2001, with all the aforementioned releases and announcements such as CBII, Roadhouse Garden, All My Dreams or the sampler series and all of a sudden: blam! Not. A. Single. WB. Era. Release. Anymore.

Ever.

It's circumstancial evidence at best, I realize that, but I wouldn't be surprised that after seeing him rerelease some WB tracks on NPGMC, WB had their lawyers send P a cease and desist and that was the end of it. They probably let it go with CB and all at first because their image had suffered enough with the 3 years-long wars they'd had with him, and they just wanted to put an end to this and suing him would have started it all over again, but I think at some point they realized they had to do something because he was testing their limits.

.
The way I see it: 'Crystal Ball' was a pretty big project for Prince so I don't think Warners would've just turned a blind eye if that would've been something they could sue for. It wasn't just one song on Bellmark Records that they hoped would die in obscurity. And as you say, there were plenty of other instances of Prince releasing stuff that was recorded before 1996.
But another aspect of the story is that Warners probably didn't even know about many of Prince's unreleased songs, he only shared with them what he wanted.
.
I know Alan Leeds said that everything belonged to Warners between '77 and '96, but I think it's an argument that could occupy a couple of legal teams for months or years in court, should it come to that. Because Prince's case is different from those artists' who were simply given studio time by their label who financed everything. When you record in your home day and night, in your own studio, it's not as simple for your label to put their hands on everything you create.
They would surely have the right of first refusal, but when you have a 5-year contract with them for let's say 5 albums, and in that period you record 50 albums in your home, on your own budget, there would definitely be a big argument over who owns what.
.

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Reply #329 posted 04/29/19 11:30am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

According to Alan Leeds this was not the case. He may be wrong but if anyone would have known it's him, and he once stated that anything Prince recorded between 1977 and 1996 belonged to them, including live shows.

If so, Prince actually took a chance releasing material such as CB, the Rave track and lots of the NPGMC material. Hell, he even rereleased things WB definitely owned (Interactive and Good Love on CB, Horny Pony and Thieves Extended on NPGMC).

Remarkably, Prince seemed quite decided to open the vault between 1998 and 2001, with all the aforementioned releases and announcements such as CBII, Roadhouse Garden, All My Dreams or the sampler series and all of a sudden: blam! Not. A. Single. WB. Era. Release. Anymore.

Ever.

It's circumstancial evidence at best, I realize that, but I wouldn't be surprised that after seeing him rerelease some WB tracks on NPGMC, WB had their lawyers send P a cease and desist and that was the end of it. They probably let it go with CB and all at first because their image had suffered enough with the 3 years-long wars they'd had with him, and they just wanted to put an end to this and suing him would have started it all over again, but I think at some point they realized they had to do something because he was testing their limits.

.
The way I see it: 'Crystal Ball' was a pretty big project for Prince so I don't think Warners would've just turned a blind eye if that would've been something they could sue for. It wasn't just one song on Bellmark Records that they hoped would die in obscurity. And as you say, there were plenty of other instances of Prince releasing stuff that was recorded before 1996.
But another aspect of the story is that Warners probably didn't even know about many of Prince's unreleased songs, he only shared with them what he wanted.
.
I know Alan Leeds said that everything belonged to Warners between '77 and '96, but I think it's an argument that could occupy a couple of legal teams for months or years in court, should it come to that. Because Prince's case is different from those artists' who were simply given studio time by their label who financed everything. When you record in your home day and night, in your own studio, it's not as simple for your label to put their hands on everything you create.
They would surely have the right of first refusal, but when you have a 5-year contract with them for let's say 5 albums, and in that period you record 50 albums in your home, on your own budget, there would definitely be a big argument over who owns what.
.

I don't know anymore than I've said so IDK. Honestly back in 98 no one but Prince fans and the press really knew about CB, it was a very low profile release, so I wouldn't call it a big project, not big enough for WB to bother IMHO, and the fact is that there were several WB songs on it, some remixed and some nearly as such, that definitely called for WB suing.

So IDK, all I can hope is that people like Duane will eventually interviewx the right people and shed light on what really happened and what P's contract really meant in terms of ownership.

Regardless and to go back to the original topic, I don't know of a case where, say, an artist took their lead vocals and some elements of a hit song and had it remixed and released by another label. This seems to suggest that any sound included in a master is legally considered part of said master, mpultitracks or not. But again I'm just speculating. I'm sure there are music lawyers who know and could tell us. Thing is the Dance Electric situation was a first to me, I'm not aware of any such situations happening before.

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Reply #330 posted 04/29/19 11:43am

scififilmnerd

djThunderfunk said:

scififilmnerd said:

Great news, even though Sugar Walls ain't on it. razz I'm totally looking forward to this. I suppose the Deluxe CD will be the one to get. biggrin


I have a feeling that when they say "and limited edition Deluxe CD+2LP formats will follow" that "Deluxe" could very well mean the CD and the 2LP in one package. I mean, if it was meant as Deluxe CD or Deluxe 2LP, wouldn't the 2LP be more than 2? 3LP maybe?

Oh, you're probably right. confused

I'll just buy the regular CD then. I don't want no LPs. smile

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Reply #331 posted 04/29/19 12:04pm

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.
The way I see it: 'Crystal Ball' was a pretty big project for Prince so I don't think Warners would've just turned a blind eye if that would've been something they could sue for. It wasn't just one song on Bellmark Records that they hoped would die in obscurity. And as you say, there were plenty of other instances of Prince releasing stuff that was recorded before 1996.
But another aspect of the story is that Warners probably didn't even know about many of Prince's unreleased songs, he only shared with them what he wanted.
.
I know Alan Leeds said that everything belonged to Warners between '77 and '96, but I think it's an argument that could occupy a couple of legal teams for months or years in court, should it come to that. Because Prince's case is different from those artists' who were simply given studio time by their label who financed everything. When you record in your home day and night, in your own studio, it's not as simple for your label to put their hands on everything you create.
They would surely have the right of first refusal, but when you have a 5-year contract with them for let's say 5 albums, and in that period you record 50 albums in your home, on your own budget, there would definitely be a big argument over who owns what.
.

I don't know anymore than I've said so IDK. Honestly back in 98 no one but Prince fans and the press really knew about CB, it was a very low profile release, so I wouldn't call it a big project, not big enough for WB to bother IMHO, and the fact is that there were several WB songs on it, some remixed and some nearly as such, that definitely called for WB suing.

So IDK, all I can hope is that people like Duane will eventually interviewx the right people and shed light on what really happened and what P's contract really meant in terms of ownership.

Regardless and to go back to the original topic, I don't know of a case where, say, an artist took their lead vocals and some elements of a hit song and had it remixed and released by another label. This seems to suggest that any sound included in a master is legally considered part of said master, mpultitracks or not. But again I'm just speculating. I'm sure there are music lawyers who know and could tell us. Thing is the Dance Electric situation was a first to me, I'm not aware of any such situations happening before.

.
Identical elements on different masters don't necessarily result in a copyright infringement case. There could be totally different recordings on different labels using exactly the same drum machine preset, for example. Even if they sound identical, there's a legit source for both of those recordings, so one label cannot sue the other.

But if you copy something off another recording, you have no legit source you can claim as your own. In case of owning the multitracks (especially when the recordings were composed, performed, produced by yourself on your own budget), you do have a valid claim for the rights of reusing those. Some would might argue, but as I said, I think it's a subject that could be debated in court by legal teams on both sides for quite awhile.
.

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Reply #332 posted 04/29/19 12:05pm

fabriziovenerandi

databank said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

.

Probally I'll be the only one, but I'm not disappointed. I prefer to have a cool album to listen instead a pile of song.

The problem is that this sequencing appears to be just that: a pile of songs. It could have been so much better.

It seems to me much better than Purple Rain Deluxe, vault section. We'll see.

I pray for sound quality. Purple Rain Deluxe, vault section, was weak here and there.

Bad sources.

f.

[Edited 4/29/19 12:21pm]

[Edited 4/29/19 12:22pm]

Reply #333 posted 04/29/19 12:21pm

scififilmnerd

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

Well, the Glamorous Life is shorter than the bootlegged version, but the others we have, like 100 MPH, Dear Michaelangelo and Nothing Compares 2 U seems about the same length. smile And Baby, You're A Trip is actually longer on this release. razz

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Reply #334 posted 04/29/19 12:38pm

TheSilentMikey

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

I already posted them earlier on the thread.

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #335 posted 04/29/19 1:01pm

tmcjb

TheSilentMikey said:

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

I already posted them earlier on the thread.

Apologies, I must've missed it in the flurry of photos lol.

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
Reply #336 posted 04/29/19 1:58pm

E319

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.


https://www.rhino.com/product/originals#1cd


 


 



1. Sex Shooter 3.06


2. Jungle Love 3.04


3. Manic Monday 2.51


4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00


5. Make-Up 2.27


6. 100 MPH 3.31


7. You're My Love 4.24


8. Holly Rock 6.39


9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52


10. The Glamorous Life 4.12


11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41


12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09


13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22


14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57


15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39


 


Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.



 

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]



Disappointed at the track time for “Noon Rendezvous.” Was hoping It had a guitar solo and the “Sitting at this cafe, waiting for my baby” part like in that awesome rehearsal bootleg.
Reply #337 posted 04/29/19 2:23pm

stillwaiting

Kares said:

databank said:

I don't know anymore than I've said so IDK. Honestly back in 98 no one but Prince fans and the press really knew about CB, it was a very low profile release, so I wouldn't call it a big project, not big enough for WB to bother IMHO, and the fact is that there were several WB songs on it, some remixed and some nearly as such, that definitely called for WB suing.

So IDK, all I can hope is that people like Duane will eventually interviewx the right people and shed light on what really happened and what P's contract really meant in terms of ownership.

Regardless and to go back to the original topic, I don't know of a case where, say, an artist took their lead vocals and some elements of a hit song and had it remixed and released by another label. This seems to suggest that any sound included in a master is legally considered part of said master, mpultitracks or not. But again I'm just speculating. I'm sure there are music lawyers who know and could tell us. Thing is the Dance Electric situation was a first to me, I'm not aware of any such situations happening before.

.
Identical elements on different masters don't necessarily result in a copyright infringement case. There could be totally different recordings on different labels using exactly the same drum machine preset, for example. Even if they sound identical, there's a legit source for both of those recordings, so one label cannot sue the other.

But if you copy something off another recording, you have no legit source you can claim as your own. In case of owning the multitracks (especially when the recordings were composed, performed, produced by yourself on your own budget), you do have a valid claim for the rights of reusing those. Some would might argue, but as I said, I think it's a subject that could be debated in court by legal teams on both sides for quite awhile.
.

Seeing as how this release is likely going to sell about 18 million, the sample of Sheila sneezing might garner a few dollars for somebody. Oh wait, since this has taken over 3 years after his death, with all the fumbling and bumbling by all parties, including old pal Londell McMuffin, it will be lucky to move 40,000, so the motive for lawsuits over pennies is likely null.

Reply #338 posted 04/29/19 3:01pm

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

I don't know anymore than I've said so IDK. Honestly back in 98 no one but Prince fans and the press really knew about CB, it was a very low profile release, so I wouldn't call it a big project, not big enough for WB to bother IMHO, and the fact is that there were several WB songs on it, some remixed and some nearly as such, that definitely called for WB suing.

So IDK, all I can hope is that people like Duane will eventually interviewx the right people and shed light on what really happened and what P's contract really meant in terms of ownership.

Regardless and to go back to the original topic, I don't know of a case where, say, an artist took their lead vocals and some elements of a hit song and had it remixed and released by another label. This seems to suggest that any sound included in a master is legally considered part of said master, mpultitracks or not. But again I'm just speculating. I'm sure there are music lawyers who know and could tell us. Thing is the Dance Electric situation was a first to me, I'm not aware of any such situations happening before.

.
Identical elements on different masters don't necessarily result in a copyright infringement case. There could be totally different recordings on different labels using exactly the same drum machine preset, for example. Even if they sound identical, there's a legit source for both of those recordings, so one label cannot sue the other.

But if you copy something off another recording, you have no legit source you can claim as your own. In case of owning the multitracks (especially when the recordings were composed, performed, produced by yourself on your own budget), you do have a valid claim for the rights of reusing those. Some would might argue, but as I said, I think it's a subject that could be debated in court by legal teams on both sides for quite awhile.
.

Yes, in the end it's a matter of jurisprudence. Would be interesting to see how this would go in court.

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Reply #339 posted 04/29/19 3:02pm

databank

E319 said:

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

Disappointed at the track time for “Noon Rendezvous.” Was hoping It had a guitar solo and the “Sitting at this cafe, waiting for my baby” part like in that awesome rehearsal bootleg.

Why would it?

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Reply #340 posted 04/29/19 3:04pm

databank

fabriziovenerandi said:

databank said:

The problem is that this sequencing appears to be just that: a pile of songs. It could have been so much better.

It seems to me much better than Purple Rain Deluxe, vault section. We'll see.

I pray for sound quality. Purple Rain Deluxe, vault section, was weak here and there.

Bad sources.

f.

[Edited 4/29/19 12:21pm]

[Edited 4/29/19 12:22pm]

IDK. Maybe I'll be blown away by how it plays in sequence. So far I'm not convinced but we'll see. I think most people won't care because they make their own playlists and don't care about albums anyway, so in that sense I guess the Estate doesn't need worriying...

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Reply #341 posted 04/29/19 3:04pm

OnlyNDaUsa

scififilmnerd said:

Well, the Glamorous Life is shorter than the bootlegged version, but the others we have, like 100 MPH, Dear Michaelangelo and Nothing Compares 2 U seems about the same length. smile And Baby, You're A Trip is actually longer on this release. razz

I think some of "the Glamorous Life" is a fan edit... it get noticeably clearer at one point.

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Reply #342 posted 04/29/19 3:32pm

bluegangsta

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

It seems silly to press 64 minutes across 2 vinyl and leave 15 minutes on the CD - especially if purposeful edits have been made.

Fingers crossed these track times are wrong.

[Edited 4/29/19 15:38pm]

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #343 posted 04/29/19 3:49pm

sulls

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

GODDAMMIT! mad

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Reply #344 posted 04/29/19 4:30pm

stillwaiting

bluegangsta said:

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

It seems silly to press 64 minutes across 2 vinyl and leave 15 minutes on the CD - especially if purposeful edits have been made.

Fingers crossed these track times are wrong.

[Edited 4/29/19 15:38pm]

Nearly the ENTIRE music industry has no clue cds hold 79:57 min worth of music on a single disc. (Sarcasm for the Money hungry idiots).... The Estate, Troy Carter, Londell McMuffin, Warners HAVE NO CLUE....Piano & Micro had 34 Minutes of Music. Thousands of hours of music in the vault, and we get 34 minutes...

They may as well have put 1 min of music on 34 cds, just to charge us more. Yes, 64 min is better than 34, but it's still a point of contention. The cd industry is dying, and maybe they could learn a thing or two about catering to Die Hard Fans. Putting the Prince version of Dance Electric with the guitar solo, and maybe the original Old Friends 4 Sale(since it would fit the theme of the album, even though Joe Cocker rejected it). Even Prince himself had no idea cds could hold 80 minutes. Crystal ball was like 40 min a disc, and the 5 disc version easily could have fit on 3 discs, keeping costs down for an "independent" release. Even Emancipation had to have the silly 60 min each disc thing. Another full 60 min could have fit...

Sure we all know Prince did crazy things and did not cater to fans in multiple situations. But the posthumous releases should all be 70 min or more...but they don't care, and likely never will.

Reply #345 posted 04/29/19 4:48pm

violetcrush

stillwaiting said:

bluegangsta said:

It seems silly to press 64 minutes across 2 vinyl and leave 15 minutes on the CD - especially if purposeful edits have been made.

Fingers crossed these track times are wrong.

[Edited 4/29/19 15:38pm]

Nearly the ENTIRE music industry has no clue cds hold 79:57 min worth of music on a single disc. (Sarcasm for the Money hungry idiots).... The Estate, Troy Carter, Londell McMuffin, Warners HAVE NO CLUE....Piano & Micro had 34 Minutes of Music. Thousands of hours of music in the vault, and we get 34 minutes...

They may as well have put 1 min of music on 34 cds, just to charge us more. Yes, 64 min is better than 34, but it's still a point of contention. The cd industry is dying, and maybe they could learn a thing or two about catering to Die Hard Fans. Putting the Prince version of Dance Electric with the guitar solo, and maybe the original Old Friends 4 Sale(since it would fit the theme of the album, even though Joe Cocker rejected it). Even Prince himself had no idea cds could hold 80 minutes. Crystal ball was like 40 min a disc, and the 5 disc version easily could have fit on 3 discs, keeping costs down for an "independent" release. Even Emancipation had to have the silly 60 min each disc thing. Another full 60 min could have fit...

Sure we all know Prince did crazy things and did not cater to fans in multiple situations. But the posthumous releases should all be 70 min or more...but they don't care, and likely never will.

I am learning so much on this thread!! I agree - a total waste for what could have been 40 additional minutes of his music....

Reply #346 posted 04/29/19 8:03pm

Goddess4Real

sulls said:

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

GODDAMMIT! mad

The version of Sex Shooter (1983) with Vanity on lead vocals is 7:07 mins confuse why the edits?

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #347 posted 04/29/19 8:20pm

sulls

Whose crummy idea is it for these edits, anyway??? Frickin' moron(s). I'd rather give my money to EYE...

"I like to watch."
Reply #348 posted 04/29/19 9:06pm

TheBoneRanger

Goddess4Real said:

sulls said:

GODDAMMIT! mad

The version of Sex Shooter (1983) with Vanity on lead vocals is 7:07 mins confuse why the edits?

-

So they can double dip and resell them again later in extended form. Plus most people have ridiculously short attention spans and can't handle anything over three and a half minutes. Most fans on this forum would prefer the full versions, but I imagine they're going to market this to a larger audience so as to expand the fan base beyond us Orgers and they don't want to scare off those potential new fans with long tracks. But, yeah...whatever the reason, for me it's frustrating as well as disappointing.

Hi-yo Silver, it's The Bone Ranger!
Reply #349 posted 04/29/19 9:21pm

rdhull

Gah-damn, I wish Housequake would retrun.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #350 posted 04/29/19 10:27pm

fabriziovenerandi

64 minutes is a good timing. An album is not it is not a a manger of the stye where more food put more it becomes good. The bootlegs are unlistable.

[Edited 4/29/19 22:39pm]

Reply #351 posted 04/30/19 12:14am

fabriziovenerandi

Goddess4Real said:

sulls said:

GODDAMMIT! mad

The version of Sex Shooter (1983) with Vanity on lead vocals is 7:07 mins confuse why the edits?

.

But: is this one the Vanity version or a unheard Prince version?

.

Reply #352 posted 04/30/19 12:38am

embmmusic

databank said:

At some point there's nothing to do about this until you start fucking it up like they did with NC2U by adding additional elements from the final version to the original recording. I actually hope with all my heart that NC2U will be the real Prince mix instead of the atrocious shit we've been given last year.

There's a chance that the cinematic version listed as an additional track on the Japanese release is the strings version we had last year, with the original being the one on this.

[Edited 4/30/19 0:39am]

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Reply #353 posted 04/30/19 1:11am

TheEnglishGent

rdhull said:

Gah-damn, I wish Housequake would retrun.

https://www.housequake.com

RIP sad
Reply #354 posted 04/30/19 1:46am

databank

fabriziovenerandi said:

Goddess4Real said:

The version of Sex Shooter (1983) with Vanity on lead vocals is 7:07 mins confuse why the edits?

.

But: is this one the Vanity version or a unheard Prince version?

.

Clearly a version with P on vocals. Prince would often try multiple edits of songs and the album version as well as the single edit of the A6 cut are quite short. I dare hope the Estate found this version as such and did not edit it themselves.

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Reply #355 posted 04/30/19 1:46am

databank

embmmusic said:

databank said:

At some point there's nothing to do about this until you start fucking it up like they did with NC2U by adding additional elements from the final version to the original recording. I actually hope with all my heart that NC2U will be the real Prince mix instead of the atrocious shit we've been given last year.

There's a chance that the cinematic version listed as an additional track on the Japanese release is the strings version we had last year, with the original being the one on this.

[Edited 4/30/19 0:39am]

I had the same thought and I really hope this is the case.

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Reply #356 posted 04/30/19 2:13am

Kares

stillwaiting said:

bluegangsta said:

It seems silly to press 64 minutes across 2 vinyl and leave 15 minutes on the CD - especially if purposeful edits have been made.

Fingers crossed these track times are wrong.

[Edited 4/29/19 15:38pm]

Nearly the ENTIRE music industry has no clue cds hold 79:57 min worth of music on a single disc. (Sarcasm for the Money hungry idiots).... The Estate, Troy Carter, Londell McMuffin, Warners HAVE NO CLUE....Piano & Micro had 34 Minutes of Music. Thousands of hours of music in the vault, and we get 34 minutes...

They may as well have put 1 min of music on 34 cds, just to charge us more. Yes, 64 min is better than 34, but it's still a point of contention. The cd industry is dying, and maybe they could learn a thing or two about catering to Die Hard Fans. Putting the Prince version of Dance Electric with the guitar solo, and maybe the original Old Friends 4 Sale(since it would fit the theme of the album, even though Joe Cocker rejected it). Even Prince himself had no idea cds could hold 80 minutes. Crystal ball was like 40 min a disc, and the 5 disc version easily could have fit on 3 discs, keeping costs down for an "independent" release. Even Emancipation had to have the silly 60 min each disc thing. Another full 60 min could have fit...

Sure we all know Prince did crazy things and did not cater to fans in multiple situations. But the posthumous releases should all be 70 min or more...but they don't care, and likely never will.

.

Sounds like it's you who doesn't have a clue.
First of all: music is an art form and we don't judge art by quantity. Do you? Do you judge books by their length?
.
Trust me, I too would love to be able to buy 10-CD box sets of Prince's unreleased masters, with each CD filled to the rim. But the average length of albums is around 40 minutes. Even today, when it really doesn't make much difference in online distribution costs to put out a 10-song or a 20-song album as a download, a lot of artists still put out 30-40 minute albums.

.

I hate to break it to you but producing music actually costs money, even when it's music already recorded. There are copyrights to be paid – the longer your CD is, the more the label will have to pay! There are also production costs involved and those largely depend on the amount of material. Furthermore: there are technical issues with CDs of a very long playing time that should be taken into consideration. The vast majority of CD-players in the world are very basic, cheap and nasty things. Portables, car stereos and such. And those players often have trouble coping with playing 70+ min. discs, as that requires a decent mechanism that is able to spin the disc without letting it jiggle like a spinning plate on a stick. The further the laser pickup has to go out towards the rim of the CD to read it, the more blurred its "vision" will be in cheap players, so they start to lose tracking and playback will start skipping as the error-correction algorithm will be unable to cope with so many read errors.
So the bottom line is that a lot of labels tend to avoid producing CDs that go beyond 70 minutes.
.

But sure, no-one in the industry has a clue about the maximum playing time of CDs, and Prince didn't have a clue either, only you do.

.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #357 posted 04/30/19 2:16am

Kares

databank said:

embmmusic said:

There's a chance that the cinematic version listed as an additional track on the Japanese release is the strings version we had last year, with the original being the one on this.

[Edited 4/30/19 0:39am]

I had the same thought and I really hope this is the case.

.
Or it's simply the video clip of the song.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #358 posted 04/30/19 2:29am

jaawwnn

Goddess4Real said:

sulls said:

GODDAMMIT! mad

The version of Sex Shooter (1983) with Vanity on lead vocals is 7:07 mins confuse why the edits?

the original 7" is just over three minutes.

We still have no idea what versions of these songs will be used, I can't think of any version of Jungle Love that's that short so it'll be interesting to see what we end up with. Based on what they did with Nothing Compares these could be all new mixes from the original tapes that have nothing to do with their original intent.

Reply #359 posted 04/30/19 5:02am

sulls

I apologize for my outburst. Patience is wearing thin... cool

"I like to watch."
Reply #360 posted 04/30/19 9:47am

scififilmnerd

jaawwnn said:

Goddess4Real said:

The version of Sex Shooter (1983) with Vanity on lead vocals is 7:07 mins confuse why the edits?

the original 7" is just over three minutes.

We still have no idea what versions of these songs will be used, I can't think of any version of Jungle Love that's that short so it'll be interesting to see what we end up with. Based on what they did with Nothing Compares these could be all new mixes from the original tapes that have nothing to do with their original intent.

If that's the case, then "Originals" wiould be a misnomer. mad

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Reply #361 posted 04/30/19 10:15am

databank

scififilmnerd said:

jaawwnn said:

the original 7" is just over three minutes.

We still have no idea what versions of these songs will be used, I can't think of any version of Jungle Love that's that short so it'll be interesting to see what we end up with. Based on what they did with Nothing Compares these could be all new mixes from the original tapes that have nothing to do with their original intent.

If that's the case, then "Originals" wiould be a misnomer. mad

If there is any evidence of modifications to any of the track, NC2U included, I believe fans should download it illegally or buy the CD second hand, not listen to it on streaming services and call for boycot. Generating income for products that have been twisted is only going to encourage them to go on doing that. I was heartbroken when the whole world, musical press and the org included, was raving about NC2U, because it meant they'd consider their posthumous mix a success and would be tempted to do it again.

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Reply #362 posted 04/30/19 10:21am

Marco81

Right...what exactly was done to Nothing Compares 2 U? Is there any proof? Who said something was added or altered? And if this is only an assumption based on the fact that the leaked bootleg is slightly different...think that maybe the leaked bootleg might not have been Prince's final version, but a work in progress. Thanks for clarifying.
[Edited 4/30/19 10:22am]
Reply #363 posted 04/30/19 11:02am

stillwaiting

Kares said:

stillwaiting said:

Nearly the ENTIRE music industry has no clue cds hold 79:57 min worth of music on a single disc. (Sarcasm for the Money hungry idiots).... The Estate, Troy Carter, Londell McMuffin, Warners HAVE NO CLUE....Piano & Micro had 34 Minutes of Music. Thousands of hours of music in the vault, and we get 34 minutes...

They may as well have put 1 min of music on 34 cds, just to charge us more. Yes, 64 min is better than 34, but it's still a point of contention. The cd industry is dying, and maybe they could learn a thing or two about catering to Die Hard Fans. Putting the Prince version of Dance Electric with the guitar solo, and maybe the original Old Friends 4 Sale(since it would fit the theme of the album, even though Joe Cocker rejected it). Even Prince himself had no idea cds could hold 80 minutes. Crystal ball was like 40 min a disc, and the 5 disc version easily could have fit on 3 discs, keeping costs down for an "independent" release. Even Emancipation had to have the silly 60 min each disc thing. Another full 60 min could have fit...

Sure we all know Prince did crazy things and did not cater to fans in multiple situations. But the posthumous releases should all be 70 min or more...but they don't care, and likely never will.

.

Sounds like it's you who doesn't have a clue.
First of all: music is an art form and we don't judge art by quantity. Do you? Do you judge books by their length?
.
Trust me, I too would love to be able to buy 10-CD box sets of Prince's unreleased masters, with each CD filled to the rim. But the average length of albums is around 40 minutes. Even today, when it really doesn't make much difference in online distribution costs to put out a 10-song or a 20-song album as a download, a lot of artists still put out 30-40 minute albums.

.

I hate to break it to you but producing music actually costs money, even when it's music already recorded. There are copyrights to be paid – the longer your CD is, the more the label will have to pay! There are also production costs involved and those largely depend on the amount of material. Furthermore: there are technical issues with CDs of a very long playing time that should be taken into consideration. The vast majority of CD-players in the world are very basic, cheap and nasty things. Portables, car stereos and such. And those players often have trouble coping with playing 70+ min. discs, as that requires a decent mechanism that is able to spin the disc without letting it jiggle like a spinning plate on a stick. The further the laser pickup has to go out towards the rim of the CD to read it, the more blurred its "vision" will be in cheap players, so they start to lose tracking and playback will start skipping as the error-correction algorithm will be unable to cope with so many read errors.
So the bottom line is that a lot of labels tend to avoid producing CDs that go beyond 70 minutes.
.

But sure, no-one in the industry has a clue about the maximum playing time of CDs, and Prince didn't have a clue either, only you do.

.

I have owned around 40 cd players, portable, car systems, multiple desk tops/laptops, and maybe even a toaster with a cd player. Not a single one has not played a full cd. Many of them fairly cheap. So your GPX portable or Tandy Computer aside, the technical issue is moot. So if they put out 30 cds with 35 minutes on each one, the distribution costs would OBVIOUSLY BE MUCH MUCH LESS THAN 14 cds with 75 minutes of music on each one?????

I suppose putting five minutes of music on each disc would be better for you?

So all the artists that put out box sets with discs filled up are going bankrupt?

Nope. Artists that care about their fans are doing fine...

Maybe the rumors about the estate going bankrupt are due to the TREMENDOUS PROFIT THEY MADE FROM THE 34 MINUTE PIANO & A MICROPHONE...

and then the VERY SECOND they announce a 64 minute ORIGINALS....they suddenly lost it all?

Or course, the 64 minute cd brought down the estate.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:03am]

Reply #364 posted 04/30/19 11:05am

databank

Marco81 said:

Right...what exactly was done to Nothing Compares 2 U? Is there any proof? Who said something was added or altered? And if this is only an assumption based on the fact that the leaked bootleg is slightly different...think that maybe the leaked bootleg might not have been Prince's final version, but a work in progress. Thanks for clarifying. [Edited 4/30/19 10:22am]

Of course, I am always the first one to ask for evidence and sources so here's what I know:

.

- Two people who have connections with WB/the Estate have told me the same story, and they don't know each other. The first told it to me on a tacit confidential basis, the second one didn't care and that's when I began speaking about it openly. I of course have no absolute proof that these people have the connections they claim to have or that they're telling the truth, but I have every reason, from our private conversations to their public posts to what other people in the community have told me about them, to believe they're genuine. The first person told me that it was a mix from both P's and the Family's versions, while the second, who apparently has a closer source, later told me that P's version was from cassette and The Family's version from multitracks.

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- Interestingly, Kares who is a sound engineer (again, I have no definitive proof of that but no reason to doubt it from our numerous conversations) claims he can definitely recognize a cassette "sound" on the 2018 version. I say "interestingly" because I had not told him that my second source had told me that before he came up with this theory here on the org.

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- The Nilsen/Tudahl research have revealed that the recording sessions happened in that order Prince/Eric -> Paul/Susannah -> Clare Fischer. The Family background background vocals were recorded at the same time as Paul's lead vocals, and by the time Clare Fischer's strings were added, Prince's lead vocals were long gone. While not impossible, it seems very unlikely that super busy Prince would have bothered having an engineer retroactively adding the Family vocals and strings to his own version in 1985, talking about a song that had zero historical significance back then (before Sinead) and that he apparently never even considered releasing in this version after it became an international hit (when Miles Davis asked for a version of it, Prince told Eric to rerecord one from scratch instead of offering the original multi-tracks to Davis, and when Prince finally released it, it was a live cut).

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- The mix is very, extremely different from both the original Family demo (streamed by Paul on his website in 2002 and widely bootlegged ever since) and every Prince song featuring strings from 85-86. In those early Clare Fischer collabs, Prince would mix the strings waaaaay much louder. On NC2U 2018, you can barely hear them by comparison. Overall and strings aside, the mix is quite different from Paul's 2002 version while the only musical difference between both tracks is the lead vocals. And of course the bootleg we have lacks both orchestra and Family vocals.

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- And IIRC it was Alan Leeds who claimed a decade ago or so that P's original vocals had been erased from the multitracks, leading to the belief that no copy had survived until a cassette-sourced bootleg appeared 2 years ago or so. This story seems to corroborate everything we have above.

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You may say this is all circumstantial evidence and testimonies by witnesses who may not be who they claim they are, and at the end of the day I'd have to agree with you. But I believe we have a solid case here, particularly if you add it to the apparent lack of care that WB and the Estate have displayed with other releases (I'm not gonna get into that here but so far there isn't a single posthumous release with WB that's been handled properly).

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So this is my case. You may not be convinced and I'll respect that in lack of definitive proof, but I believe the case to be quite solid.

.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:10am]

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Reply #365 posted 04/30/19 11:28am

databank

stillwaiting said:

Kares said:

.

Sounds like it's you who doesn't have a clue.
First of all: music is an art form and we don't judge art by quantity. Do you? Do you judge books by their length?
.
Trust me, I too would love to be able to buy 10-CD box sets of Prince's unreleased masters, with each CD filled to the rim. But the average length of albums is around 40 minutes. Even today, when it really doesn't make much difference in online distribution costs to put out a 10-song or a 20-song album as a download, a lot of artists still put out 30-40 minute albums.

.

I hate to break it to you but producing music actually costs money, even when it's music already recorded. There are copyrights to be paid – the longer your CD is, the more the label will have to pay! There are also production costs involved and those largely depend on the amount of material. Furthermore: there are technical issues with CDs of a very long playing time that should be taken into consideration. The vast majority of CD-players in the world are very basic, cheap and nasty things. Portables, car stereos and such. And those players often have trouble coping with playing 70+ min. discs, as that requires a decent mechanism that is able to spin the disc without letting it jiggle like a spinning plate on a stick. The further the laser pickup has to go out towards the rim of the CD to read it, the more blurred its "vision" will be in cheap players, so they start to lose tracking and playback will start skipping as the error-correction algorithm will be unable to cope with so many read errors.
So the bottom line is that a lot of labels tend to avoid producing CDs that go beyond 70 minutes.
.

But sure, no-one in the industry has a clue about the maximum playing time of CDs, and Prince didn't have a clue either, only you do.

.

I have owned around 40 cd players, portable, car systems, multiple desk tops/laptops, and maybe even a toaster with a cd player. Not a single one has not played a full cd. Many of them fairly cheap. So your GPX portable or Tandy Computer aside, the technical issue is moot. So if they put out 30 cds with 35 minutes on each one, the distribution costs would OBVIOUSLY BE MUCH MUCH LESS THAN 14 cds with 75 minutes of music on each one?????

I suppose putting five minutes of music on each disc would be better for you?

So all the artists that put out box sets with discs filled up are going bankrupt?

Nope. Artists that care about their fans are doing fine...

Maybe the rumors about the estate going bankrupt are due to the TREMENDOUS PROFIT THEY MADE FROM THE 34 MINUTE PIANO & A MICROPHONE...

and then the VERY SECOND they announce a 64 minute ORIGINALS....they suddenly lost it all?

Or course, the 64 minute cd brought down the estate.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:03am]

I'm not gonna get into technicals because IDK shit about it, but Kares is definutely right on one thing.

1/ Works of arts are not created to fill space. Movies do not aim to fill the space of a DVD or Blu-Ray and records do not aim to fill the space on a disc. Some novels are 120 pages and others 1200. Piano & A Microphone 83 was what it was and it was half an hour. It would have been absurd and gross to fill the CD with additional, unrelated music. The only cool thing they could have done wpould have been to add that other piano session that had been bootleged alongside and titling it "Intimate Moments" like the classic boot. This would have been meaningful. Anything else would have been gross.

There was a tendency to try and fill space in the 90's when CD's suddenly allowed artists to have 80 minutes instead of 45, and the results were often albums that were too long with too many fillers, which is why with the rise of the digital age artists often chose to release a neat 30 to 45 minutes album over a longer but weaker one. Prince himself had realized that from the beginning, with several of his post CD era albums being LP length.

2/ In this digital age when CD is becoming a minor format, LP making some sort of a come-back for hipsters but being just as minor, and digital being the main format by far, basing an album's length on the CD format is ridiculous. Today you could release a 6 hours album on online stores and streaming services and your only problem would be who's gonna listen to 6 hours in a row or is all the material good enough to justify it. Legacy knew that when they chose to release a 3 hours+ long digital Anthology that would have been hard to sell on a triple CD-set.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:30am]

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Reply #366 posted 04/30/19 11:45am

Kares

databank said:

Marco81 said:

Right...what exactly was done to Nothing Compares 2 U? Is there any proof? Who said something was added or altered? And if this is only an assumption based on the fact that the leaked bootleg is slightly different...think that maybe the leaked bootleg might not have been Prince's final version, but a work in progress. Thanks for clarifying. [Edited 4/30/19 10:22am]

Of course, I am always the first one to ask for evidence and sources so here's what I know:

.

- Two people who have connections with WB/the Estate have told me the same story, and they don't know each other. The first told it to me on a tacit confidential basis, the second one didn't care and that's when I began speaking about it openly. I of course have no absolute proof that these people have the connections they claim to have or that they're telling the truth, but I have every reason, from our private conversations to their public posts to what other people in the community have told me about them, to believe they're genuine. The first person told me that it was a mix from both P's and the Family's versions, while the second, who apparently has a closer source, later told me that P's version was from cassette and The Family's version from multitracks.

.

- Interestingly, Kares who is a sound engineer (again, I have no definitive proof of that but no reason to doubt it from our numerous conversations) claims he can definitely recognize a cassette "sound" on the 2018 version. I say "interestingly" because I had not told him that my second source had told me that before he came up with this theory here on the org.

.

- The Nilsen/Tudahl research have revealed that the recording sessions happened in that order Prince/Eric -> Paul/Susannah -> Clare Fischer. The Family background background vocals were recorded at the same time as Paul's lead vocals, and by the time Clare Fischer's strings were added, Prince's lead vocals were long gone. While not impossible, it seems very unlikely that super busy Prince would have bothered having an engineer retroactively adding the Family vocals and strings to his own version in 1985, talking about a song that had zero historical significance back then (before Sinead) and that he apparently never even considered releasing in this version after it became an international hit (when Miles Davis asked for a version of it, Prince told Eric to rerecord one from scratch instead of offering the original multi-tracks to Davis, and when Prince finally released it, it was a live cut).

.

- The mix is very, extremely different from both the original Family demo (streamed by Paul on his website in 2002 and widely bootlegged ever since) and every Prince song featuring strings from 85-86. In those early Clare Fischer collabs, Prince would mix the strings waaaaay much louder. On NC2U 2018, you can barely hear them by comparison. Overall and strings aside, the mix is quite different from Paul's 2002 version while the only musical difference between both tracks is the lead vocals. And of course the bootleg we have lacks both orchestra and Family vocals.

.

- And IIRC it was Alan Leeds who claimed a decade ago or so that P's original vocals had been erased from the multitracks, leading to the belief that no copy had survived until a cassette-sourced bootleg appeared 2 years ago or so. This story seems to corroborate everything we have above.

.

You may say this is all circumstantial evidence and testimonies by witnesses who may not be who they claim they are, and at the end of the day I'd have to agree with you. But I believe we have a solid case here, particularly if you add it to the apparent lack of care that WB and the Estate have displayed with other releases (I'm not gonna get into that here but so far there isn't a single posthumous release with WB that's been handled properly).

.

So this is my case. You may not be convinced and I'll respect that in lack of definitive proof, but I believe the case to be quite solid.

.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:10am]

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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer).
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)

[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]

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Reply #367 posted 04/30/19 11:49am

stillwaiting

databank said:

I'm not gonna get into technicals because IDK shit about it, but Kares is definutely right on one thing.

1/ Works of arts are not created to fill space. Movies do not aim to fill the space of a DVD or Blu-Ray and records do not aim to fill the space on a disc. Some novels are 120 pages and others 1200. Piano & A Microphone 83 was what it was and it was half an hour. It would have been absurd and gross to fill the CD with additional, unrelated music. The only cool thing they could have done wpould have been to add that other piano session that had been bootleged alongside and titling it "Intimate Moments" like the classic boot. This would have been meaningful. Anything else would have been gross.

There was a tendency to try and fill space in the 90's when CD's suddenly allowed artists to have 80 minutes instead of 45, and the results were often albums that were too long with too many fillers, which is why with the rise of the digital age artists often chose to release a neat 30 to 45 minutes album over a longer but weaker one. Prince himself had realized that from the beginning, with several of his post CD era albums being LP length.

2/ In this digital age when CD is becoming a minor format, LP making some sort of a come-back for hipsters but being just as minor, and digital being the main format by far, basing an album's length on the CD format is ridiculous. Today you could release a 6 hours album on online stores and streaming services and your only problem would be who's gonna listen to 6 hours in a row or is all the material good enough to justify it. Legacy knew that when they chose to release a 3 hours+ long digital Anthology that would have been hard to sell on a triple CD-set.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:30am]

Of course, a new release by a living artist has a certain time frame, but many fill them up and instead of part of the "actual album," they call them bonus tracks.

You can look at tons of major artists releasing box sets that go 75 min per disc, and they are not

walking the streets begging for money. I don't have engineers ears, but I can tell decent sound quality, and cd does not have the limitations of vinyl...

Obviously, the cd buying public has dropped off, but just read Amazon reviews about people complaining about how short some of the recent cds are.

Reply #368 posted 04/30/19 12:07pm

databank

stillwaiting said:

databank said:

I'm not gonna get into technicals because IDK shit about it, but Kares is definutely right on one thing.

1/ Works of arts are not created to fill space. Movies do not aim to fill the space of a DVD or Blu-Ray and records do not aim to fill the space on a disc. Some novels are 120 pages and others 1200. Piano & A Microphone 83 was what it was and it was half an hour. It would have been absurd and gross to fill the CD with additional, unrelated music. The only cool thing they could have done wpould have been to add that other piano session that had been bootleged alongside and titling it "Intimate Moments" like the classic boot. This would have been meaningful. Anything else would have been gross.

There was a tendency to try and fill space in the 90's when CD's suddenly allowed artists to have 80 minutes instead of 45, and the results were often albums that were too long with too many fillers, which is why with the rise of the digital age artists often chose to release a neat 30 to 45 minutes album over a longer but weaker one. Prince himself had realized that from the beginning, with several of his post CD era albums being LP length.

2/ In this digital age when CD is becoming a minor format, LP making some sort of a come-back for hipsters but being just as minor, and digital being the main format by far, basing an album's length on the CD format is ridiculous. Today you could release a 6 hours album on online stores and streaming services and your only problem would be who's gonna listen to 6 hours in a row or is all the material good enough to justify it. Legacy knew that when they chose to release a 3 hours+ long digital Anthology that would have been hard to sell on a triple CD-set.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:30am]

Of course, a new release by a living artist has a certain time frame, but many fill them up and instead of part of the "actual album," they call them bonus tracks.

You can look at tons of major artists releasing box sets that go 75 min per disc, and they are not

walking the streets begging for money. I don't have engineers ears, but I can tell decent sound quality, and cd does not have the limitations of vinyl...

Obviously, the cd buying public has dropped off, but just read Amazon reviews about people complaining about how short some of the recent cds are.

OK so here this is just me and my personal sensibility but back when I listened to CD's I was always kind of bothered by "bonus" tracks, whether contemporary on an original album or on a rerelease. Of course by then there was no other way to do it but my reasoning was that either it was part of an album or it wasn't, and if it wasn't I wanted the listening experience to end with the last track of the proper album. At best I wished they'd have put a minute of silence between the end of the album and the bonus track(s) so I could choose to listen to silence and contemplate the album's listening experience, listen to something else or let the bonus tracks flow. That's one of the many reasons why I was very happy to jump into digital because then I could remove any "bonus" track from the proper album to another non-album tracks folder.

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Reply #369 posted 04/30/19 12:09pm

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

Of course, I am always the first one to ask for evidence and sources so here's what I know:

.

- Two people who have connections with WB/the Estate have told me the same story, and they don't know each other. The first told it to me on a tacit confidential basis, the second one didn't care and that's when I began speaking about it openly. I of course have no absolute proof that these people have the connections they claim to have or that they're telling the truth, but I have every reason, from our private conversations to their public posts to what other people in the community have told me about them, to believe they're genuine. The first person told me that it was a mix from both P's and the Family's versions, while the second, who apparently has a closer source, later told me that P's version was from cassette and The Family's version from multitracks.

.

- Interestingly, Kares who is a sound engineer (again, I have no definitive proof of that but no reason to doubt it from our numerous conversations) claims he can definitely recognize a cassette "sound" on the 2018 version. I say "interestingly" because I had not told him that my second source had told me that before he came up with this theory here on the org.

.

- The Nilsen/Tudahl research have revealed that the recording sessions happened in that order Prince/Eric -> Paul/Susannah -> Clare Fischer. The Family background background vocals were recorded at the same time as Paul's lead vocals, and by the time Clare Fischer's strings were added, Prince's lead vocals were long gone. While not impossible, it seems very unlikely that super busy Prince would have bothered having an engineer retroactively adding the Family vocals and strings to his own version in 1985, talking about a song that had zero historical significance back then (before Sinead) and that he apparently never even considered releasing in this version after it became an international hit (when Miles Davis asked for a version of it, Prince told Eric to rerecord one from scratch instead of offering the original multi-tracks to Davis, and when Prince finally released it, it was a live cut).

.

- The mix is very, extremely different from both the original Family demo (streamed by Paul on his website in 2002 and widely bootlegged ever since) and every Prince song featuring strings from 85-86. In those early Clare Fischer collabs, Prince would mix the strings waaaaay much louder. On NC2U 2018, you can barely hear them by comparison. Overall and strings aside, the mix is quite different from Paul's 2002 version while the only musical difference between both tracks is the lead vocals. And of course the bootleg we have lacks both orchestra and Family vocals.

.

- And IIRC it was Alan Leeds who claimed a decade ago or so that P's original vocals had been erased from the multitracks, leading to the belief that no copy had survived until a cassette-sourced bootleg appeared 2 years ago or so. This story seems to corroborate everything we have above.

.

You may say this is all circumstantial evidence and testimonies by witnesses who may not be who they claim they are, and at the end of the day I'd have to agree with you. But I believe we have a solid case here, particularly if you add it to the apparent lack of care that WB and the Estate have displayed with other releases (I'm not gonna get into that here but so far there isn't a single posthumous release with WB that's been handled properly).

.

So this is my case. You may not be convinced and I'll respect that in lack of definitive proof, but I believe the case to be quite solid.

.

[Edited 4/30/19 11:10am]

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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer).
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)

[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]

It was definitely the last nail on NC2U's coffin when you came-up with the cassette theory after I'd been told what I'd benn told nod

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Reply #370 posted 04/30/19 12:37pm

Romeoblu

databank said:

 



Kares said:


 



databank said:


 


Of course, I am always the first one to ask for evidence and sources so here's what I know:


.


- Two people who have connections with WB/the Estate have told me the same story, and they don't know each other. The first told it to me on a tacit confidential basis, the second one didn't care and that's when I began speaking about it openly. I of course have no absolute proof that these people have the connections they claim to have or that they're telling the truth, but I have every reason, from our private conversations to their public posts to what other people in the  community have told me about them, to believe they're genuine. The first person told me that it was a mix from both P's and the Family's versions, while the second, who apparently has a closer source, later told me that P's version was from cassette and The Family's version from multitracks.


.


- Interestingly, Kares who is a sound engineer (again, I have no definitive proof of that but no reason to doubt it from our numerous conversations) claims he can definitely recognize a cassette "sound" on the 2018 version. I say "interestingly" because I had not told him that my second source had told me that before he came up with this theory here on the org.


.


- The Nilsen/Tudahl research have revealed that the recording sessions happened in that order Prince/Eric -> Paul/Susannah -> Clare Fischer. The Family background background vocals were recorded at the same time as Paul's lead vocals, and by the time Clare Fischer's strings were added, Prince's lead vocals were long gone. While not impossible, it seems very unlikely that super busy Prince would have bothered having an engineer retroactively adding the Family vocals and strings to his own version in 1985, talking about a song that had zero historical significance back then (before Sinead) and that he apparently never even considered releasing in this version after it became an international hit (when Miles Davis asked for a version of it, Prince told Eric to rerecord one from scratch instead of offering the original multi-tracks to Davis, and when Prince finally released it, it was a live cut).


.


- The mix is very, extremely different from both the original Family demo (streamed by Paul on his  website in 2002 and widely bootlegged ever since) and every Prince song featuring strings from 85-86. In those early Clare Fischer collabs, Prince would mix the strings waaaaay much louder. On NC2U 2018, you can barely hear them by comparison. Overall and strings aside, the mix is quite different from Paul's 2002 version while the only musical difference between both tracks is the lead vocals. And of course the bootleg we have lacks both orchestra and Family vocals.


.


- And IIRC it was Alan Leeds who claimed a decade ago or so that P's original vocals had been erased from the multitracks, leading to the belief that no copy had survived until a cassette-sourced bootleg appeared 2 years ago or so. This story seems to corroborate everything we have above.


.


You may say this is all circumstantial evidence and testimonies by witnesses who may not be who they claim they are, and at the end of the day I'd have to agree with you. But I believe we have a solid case here, particularly if you add it to the apparent lack of care that WB and the Estate have displayed with other releases (I'm not gonna get into that here but so far there isn't a single posthumous release with WB that's been handled properly). 


.


So this is my case. You may not be convinced and I'll respect that in lack of definitive proof, but I believe the case to be quite solid.


.


[Edited 4/30/19 11:10am]



.
It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer). 
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)


[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]



It was definitely the last nail on NC2U's coffin when you came-up with the cassette theory after I'd been told what I'd benn told nod



Whatever they did it still sounds great and better than the leaked version.

They used contemporary sources. If they had had a new string section and background vocals recorded I might have had a problem with that.
Reply #371 posted 04/30/19 1:01pm

databank

Romeoblu said:

databank said:

It was definitely the last nail on NC2U's coffin when you came-up with the cassette theory after I'd been told what I'd benn told nod

Whatever they did it still sounds great and better than the leaked version. They used contemporary sources. If they had had a new string section and background vocals recorded I might have had a problem with that.

duh duh duh

I suggest you read the 1999 Deluxe thread and what I wrote there about Extraloveable.

It's not about sounding great. It's not about pleasing listeners. It's not about giving you a nice song to listen to. It's about Prince's work as part of human heritage, one of the most important musical artists of our time and his work being properly preserved and studied.

Every action on a work of art is an intervention that alters the work in question, which should only be the artist's prerogative. And this is actually worse in a way than Justin Timberlake remixing a Prince song because at least then we'd know, it'd be clear and straight. Here you have people fucking up with Prince's works for the sheer sake of making money and not telling us, trying to fool us into believing that this was his vision, his work, when it wasn't (and it doesn't even try hard, the way this mix does not try to imitate the original, superior Family mix shows how little they care and how little they know).

As someone who is an artist, love arts, respect great artists and above all believe Prince's works are important to preserve, I consider this a moral abomination and I'll denounce it at every opportunity.

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Reply #372 posted 04/30/19 1:28pm

Kares

databank said:

Romeoblu said:

databank said: Whatever they did it still sounds great and better than the leaked version. They used contemporary sources. If they had had a new string section and background vocals recorded I might have had a problem with that.

duh duh duh

I suggest you read the 1999 Deluxe thread and what I wrote there about Extraloveable.

It's not about sounding great. It's not about pleasing listeners. It's not about giving you a nice song to listen to. It's about Prince's work as part of human heritage, one of the most important musical artists of our time and his work being properly preserved and studied.

Every action on a work of art is an intervention that alters the work in question, which should only be the artist's prerogative. And this is actually worse in a way than Justin Timberlake remixing a Prince song because at least then we'd know, it'd be clear and straight. Here you have people fucking up with Prince's works for the sheer sake of making money and not telling us, trying to fool us into believing that this was his vision, his work, when it wasn't (and it doesn't even try hard, the way this mix does not try to imitate the original, superior Family mix shows how little they care and how little they know).

As someone who is an artist, love arts, respect great artists and above all believe Prince's works are important to preserve, I consider this a moral abomination and I'll denounce it at every opportunity.

.
I mostly agree, I'd just like to add that sometimes I think it's OK to not only release what the artist intended to, but the full, unedited recordings too – especially in the case of Prince whose full tapes would reveal so much more about his work process, about his genius. I'd love to hear everything even though he might have edited out half of the material. I'd love to hear When Doves Cry with the bass part, the full tape of 1999 etc, etc..
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I was thrilled to hear the full, unedited 'Bitches Brew' sessions too, when they came out, even though it was obviously absolutely NOT how Miles envisioned that album.

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Reply #373 posted 04/30/19 2:02pm

databank

Kares said:

 



databank said:


 



Romeoblu said:


databank said: Whatever they did it still sounds great and better than the leaked version. They used contemporary sources. If they had had a new string section and background vocals recorded I might have had a problem with that.

duh duh duh


I suggest you read the 1999 Deluxe thread and what I wrote there about Extraloveable.


It's not about sounding great. It's not about pleasing listeners. It's not about giving you a nice song to listen to. It's about Prince's work as part of human heritage, one of the most important musical artists of our time and his work being properly preserved and studied.


Every action on a work of art is an intervention that alters the work in question, which should only be the artist's prerogative. And this is actually worse in a way than Justin Timberlake remixing a Prince song because at least then we'd know, it'd be clear and straight. Here you have people fucking up with Prince's works for the sheer sake of making money and not telling us, trying to fool us into believing that this was his vision, his work, when it wasn't (and it doesn't even try hard, the way this mix does not try to imitate the original, superior Family mix  shows how little they care and how little they  know).


As someone who is an artist, love arts, respect great artists and above all believe Prince's works are important to preserve, I consider this a moral abomination and I'll denounce it at every opportunity.



.
I mostly agree, I'd just like to add that sometimes I think it's OK to not only release what the artist intended to, but the full, unedited recordings too – especially in the case of Prince whose full tapes would reveal so much more about his work process, about his genius. I'd love to hear everything even though he might have edited out half of the material. I'd love to hear When Doves Cry with the bass part, the full tape of 1999 etc, etc.. 
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I was thrilled to hear the full, unedited 'Bitches Brew' sessions too, when they came out, even though it was obviously absolutely NOT how Miles envisioned that album. 


Absolutely. Once they're gone it's not about what the artists wanted anymore, it's about what they made.
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Reply #374 posted 04/30/19 2:06pm

stillwaiting

databank said:

OK so here this is just me and my personal sensibility but back when I listened to CD's I was always kind of bothered by "bonus" tracks, whether contemporary on an original album or on a rerelease. Of course by then there was no other way to do it but my reasoning was that either it was part of an album or it wasn't, and if it wasn't I wanted the listening experience to end with the last track of the proper album. At best I wished they'd have put a minute of silence between the end of the album and the bonus track(s) so I could choose to listen to silence and contemplate the album's listening experience, listen to something else or let the bonus tracks flow. That's one of the many reasons why I was very happy to jump into digital because then I could remove any "bonus" track from the proper album to another non-album tracks folder.

I guess my main point is that if they are going to slap together an album, I'd say more is more, now I understand your reasoning for a living artist....but even then, some artists have great songs that don't fit an album. If they are going to release it anyway, I'd rather have more minutes of music for my buck.

Since the powers that be will likely milk all they can out of the vault, I'd rather buy the same amount of music on a 50 disc box set than pay even more for 150 individual cds...but that's me...I'm not rich, and I like value for my money...

Now on the NC2U thing you were talking about....I really hope it was not altered in any shape or form, but if it was a subtle thing buried in the mix, I won't be too upset. I think NC2U is brilliant, and the soul of the vocal is the thing with me. I love it. And yes, it was a miracle Sinead brought it to the world's attention. I hardly listened to it back in the day. I maybe heard the Family album 30 times before Sinead, and then much more after. I pretty much jammed Screams of Passion and Mutiny too much...and maybe Susannah's Pajamas, ignoring most of the rest of the album.

Reply #375 posted 04/30/19 2:29pm

Kares

databank said:

OK so here this is just me and my personal sensibility but back when I listened to CD's I was always kind of bothered by "bonus" tracks, whether contemporary on an original album or on a rerelease. Of course by then there was no other way to do it but my reasoning was that either it was part of an album or it wasn't, and if it wasn't I wanted the listening experience to end with the last track of the proper album. At best I wished they'd have put a minute of silence between the end of the album and the bonus track(s) so I could choose to listen to silence and contemplate the album's listening experience, listen to something else or let the bonus tracks flow. That's one of the many reasons why I was very happy to jump into digital because then I could remove any "bonus" track from the proper album to another non-album tracks folder.

.

Speaking of silence (which is the most vital ingredient of music, btw) : in the mid-'90s Sony started putting a "pause track" at the end of their CDs so you could program that silence track in between songs if you wanted to. It was a good idea but of course many CD players were a bit awkward to program. But yes, I prefer listening to albums without bonus tracks too and often I prefer to lot listen to anything else for awhile. I'm the same with concerts: after an amazing concert experience I just can't go straight to a pub or any other noisy place where they play some totally different music. I need silence, I need to re-live the experience in my head and let it sink in.

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Reply #376 posted 04/30/19 2:41pm

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

OK so here this is just me and my personal sensibility but back when I listened to CD's I was always kind of bothered by "bonus" tracks, whether contemporary on an original album or on a rerelease. Of course by then there was no other way to do it but my reasoning was that either it was part of an album or it wasn't, and if it wasn't I wanted the listening experience to end with the last track of the proper album. At best I wished they'd have put a minute of silence between the end of the album and the bonus track(s) so I could choose to listen to silence and contemplate the album's listening experience, listen to something else or let the bonus tracks flow. That's one of the many reasons why I was very happy to jump into digital because then I could remove any "bonus" track from the proper album to another non-album tracks folder.

.

Speaking of silence (which is the most vital ingredient of music, btw) : in the mid-'90s Sony started putting a "pause track" at the end of their CDs so you could program that silence track in between songs if you wanted to. It was a good idea but of course many CD players were a bit awkward to program. But yes, I prefer listening to albums without bonus tracks too and often I prefer to lot listen to anything else for awhile. I'm the same with concerts: after an amazing concert experience I just can't go straight to a pub or any other noisy place where they play some totally different music. I need silence, I need to re-live the experience in my head and let it sink in.

I'm a bit confused by the "pause track". Was it supposed to be something you could program between any given track before you'd play the CD? How? Why? How long would it have been? I don't really undertand the concept the way you've explained it but I'm very intrigued now lol

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Reply #377 posted 04/30/19 2:41pm

fabriziovenerandi

databank said:

Romeoblu said:

databank said: Whatever they did it still sounds great and better than the leaked version. They used contemporary sources. If they had had a new string section and background vocals recorded I might have had a problem with that.

duh duh duh

I suggest you read the 1999 Deluxe thread and what I wrote there about Extraloveable.

It's not about sounding great. It's not about pleasing listeners. It's not about giving you a nice song to listen to. It's about Prince's work as part of human heritage, one of the most important musical artists of our time and his work being properly preserved and studied.

Every action on a work of art is an intervention that alters the work in question, which should only be the artist's prerogative. And this is actually worse in a way than Justin Timberlake remixing a Prince song because at least then we'd know, it'd be clear and straight. Here you have people fucking up with Prince's works for the sheer sake of making money and not telling us, trying to fool us into believing that this was his vision, his work, when it wasn't (and it doesn't even try hard, the way this mix does not try to imitate the original, superior Family mix shows how little they care and how little they know).

As someone who is an artist, love arts, respect great artists and above all believe Prince's works are important to preserve, I consider this a moral abomination and I'll denounce it at every opportunity.

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I do not agree. After Prince's death, every action taken on his work is a betrayal. We cannot know what was the idea behind every single song, we can try to deduce it from the documentation that Prince left, but he too lived his music as a continuous project in progress. It is not true that the preservation of the songs as they were recorded is * certainly * the most respectful method of dealing with those songs. It is simply the most archivally valid one. But - honestly - I don't think Prince wanted his music to be transmitted to archivists. I believe that Prince wanted his music to be used to the fullest. This * fullest * is not an objective value, it depends on who - in this moment - is in the condition of being able to betray the music of Prince, I mean, transforming it from an archive to an enjoyable product. I think everyone has to deal with this thing, the only one who could have given us Prince's music as Prince wanted was Prince.

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f.

Reply #378 posted 04/30/19 2:48pm

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

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Speaking of silence (which is the most vital ingredient of music, btw) : in the mid-'90s Sony started putting a "pause track" at the end of their CDs so you could program that silence track in between songs if you wanted to. It was a good idea but of course many CD players were a bit awkward to program. But yes, I prefer listening to albums without bonus tracks too and often I prefer to lot listen to anything else for awhile. I'm the same with concerts: after an amazing concert experience I just can't go straight to a pub or any other noisy place where they play some totally different music. I need silence, I need to re-live the experience in my head and let it sink in.

I'm a bit confused by the "pause track". Was it supposed to be something you could program between any given track before you'd play the CD? How? Why? How long would it have been? I don't really undertand the concept the way you've explained it but I'm very intrigued now lol

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Naming it 'pause track' was misleading. It was actually just a normal 6 or 8 second long track of silence. They could've named it 'There's A Riot Going On' too, I guess... wink
You know you could program the CD players (at least the more decent ones) to any order you wanted to play the tracks. So if you wanted to use this 'pause track' you'd program it as the 4th or 6th or whatever track to play, and if you wanted more silence after a certain piece of music you'd program it 2x or 3x in sequence.

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Reply #379 posted 04/30/19 2:49pm

BoraBora



In my honest opinion, this is a strong release.

Discussing on the tracklist is ok, but I think every one of us have an ideal tracklist that doesn't match what will be released.

I would love to see P's original versions of "So Strong", "Open Book" and "With This Tear" released, to say.... but I would have paid full price for a 1-track single CD of P's "Love...Thy Will Be Done" without a breath so any complaints by me.

I really hope this is the first of many similar archival releases by the Estate, after the false start that was "Piano & The Microphone 1983".

Even if I like the idea, I don't think we will ever see the release of unreleased albums like "Dream Factory" or "Crystal Ball", because casual buyers have simply no interest to buy something already released for more than half.

And I, as many of you, already have them. They will continue to be our P's "fams treasures".


As always, simoly my two cents.

NB - Am I the only one here to figure that the Japan CD bonus track "NC2U Cinemathic Mix" could be a P rendition of the released Family version, only strings, sax and pads?!?!?!?



Reply #380 posted 04/30/19 3:15pm

TrevorAyer

I think Dream FActory and Crystal Ball would be great "Record Store Day" releases. Camille as well.

Reply #381 posted 04/30/19 3:49pm

stillwaiting

TrevorAyer said:

I think Dream FActory and Crystal Ball would be great "Record Store Day" releases. Camille as well.

Great idea, but you have to remember there is a lot of overlap. Now if the powers that be actually could make a 10 disc set covering the best of the 1985-87 recordings that we would recognize as SOTT outtakes or at least songs considered...that would be better. But no, they would probably screw it up. Even though Originals is their first step in the right direction. It's going to take a major box set with tons of unreleased material to get me on their side. And it has to come out before we are all in our 70's or dead. I'll try to be positive, but my best gut feeling is it will be some type of Jughead/Wedding Feast moment.

Reply #382 posted 04/30/19 5:37pm

Mikado

TrevorAyer said:

I think Dream FActory and Crystal Ball would be great "Record Store Day" releases. Camille as well.


Nah, there are too many differing versions and too much overlap (as stillwaiting said). I think the best way to handle those projects would be a Bowie style anthology - Prince: 1987

A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #383 posted 04/30/19 5:52pm

WhisperingDandelions

Artistic sentiment/intention kinda goes out the window when we're talking posthumous works. I mean, I'm all for it when the artist is alive, 40, even 30 minute albums, sure, if they intended it, fine. But if the artist is gone and no longer allowed to design albums "as intended" I feel like you're almost being disrespectful in the opposite direction by trying to construe, say, Piano&Mic '83 as an "album" arguing artistic intention when the actual artistic action designated it to be an old cassette thrown in the back of a vault over 25 years ago.

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The man finished releasing "albums" with the Hit'n'Rn records. His albums releases as "albums" proper with 100% Prince artistic intention are done. It doesn't make sense to me to compare and consider something designed and approved completely by Prince as comprobable to something designed and approved by Jay-Z or some old dude holed up at Iron Mountain.

Reply #384 posted 04/30/19 5:57pm

stillwaiting

TrevorAyer said:

I think Dream FActory and Crystal Ball would be great "Record Store Day" releases. Camille as well.

Since it has been pretty much confirmed that His Majesty's Pop Life has the incorrect speed on

LRC and Rasp, God only knows what speed the Camille tracks would be. Rebirth of The Flesh might have the Rainbow Children voice, and Shockadelica might have the Breakfast Can Wait voice. It is obvious that Warners and "Quality Control" Is like me understanding restraint at a Pizza Buffet.

Reply #385 posted 04/30/19 6:52pm

TrevorAyer

well if originals sounds pristine we will know what is possible .. if originals sounds cassette sourced than my guess is that they don't have the vault sorted out yet and are just giving us whatever they can put together easily for now .. supposedly prince worked out this album with jay z right? .. that would suggest a higher quality source than the cassettes used on pr deluxe and pnm 83

Reply #386 posted 04/30/19 6:53pm

bonnie184

Wonder what the promotional/lead single will be? If any
Reply #387 posted 04/30/19 7:15pm

PurpleBlackmon

They need to do better than this. That CD of vault tracks on PR Deluxe is what I'm talking about.

Reply #388 posted 05/01/19 5:45am

stillwaiting

PurpleBlackmon said:

They need to do better than this. That CD of vault tracks on PR Deluxe is what I'm talking about.

They can't do better. Or at least won't do better, but give them some points for Originals. At least it is 64 min, instead of 34 min. Problem is, they don't have too much time. The fan base is not getting any younger. And they insist on hiring non-fans with no true interest in the material to handle everything

makes no sense.

Reply #389 posted 05/01/19 6:59am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

I'm a bit confused by the "pause track". Was it supposed to be something you could program between any given track before you'd play the CD? How? Why? How long would it have been? I don't really undertand the concept the way you've explained it but I'm very intrigued now lol

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Naming it 'pause track' was misleading. It was actually just a normal 6 or 8 second long track of silence. They could've named it 'There's A Riot Going On' too, I guess... wink
You know you could program the CD players (at least the more decent ones) to any order you wanted to play the tracks. So if you wanted to use this 'pause track' you'd program it as the 4th or 6th or whatever track to play, and if you wanted more silence after a certain piece of music you'd program it 2x or 3x in sequence.

Oh yeah I 'member those CD players that you could program, I had totally forgotten you could to that!!! God, the ideas they came up with back in the days lol lol lol

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Reply #390 posted 05/01/19 7:00am

Romeoblu

Personally I think The from the vault disc on Purple Rain deluxe set was great.

I never had any problems with the sound quality on any of the tracks.

I agree that there were so many better choices than Piano and a Microphone 83 but I still think it's a great listen and was very well presented and was a worthy release.
[Edited 5/1/19 7:01am]
Reply #391 posted 05/01/19 7:14am

databank

fabriziovenerandi said:

databank said:

duh duh duh

I suggest you read the 1999 Deluxe thread and what I wrote there about Extraloveable.

It's not about sounding great. It's not about pleasing listeners. It's not about giving you a nice song to listen to. It's about Prince's work as part of human heritage, one of the most important musical artists of our time and his work being properly preserved and studied.

Every action on a work of art is an intervention that alters the work in question, which should only be the artist's prerogative. And this is actually worse in a way than Justin Timberlake remixing a Prince song because at least then we'd know, it'd be clear and straight. Here you have people fucking up with Prince's works for the sheer sake of making money and not telling us, trying to fool us into believing that this was his vision, his work, when it wasn't (and it doesn't even try hard, the way this mix does not try to imitate the original, superior Family mix shows how little they care and how little they know).

As someone who is an artist, love arts, respect great artists and above all believe Prince's works are important to preserve, I consider this a moral abomination and I'll denounce it at every opportunity.

.

I do not agree. After Prince's death, every action taken on his work is a betrayal. We cannot know what was the idea behind every single song, we can try to deduce it from the documentation that Prince left, but he too lived his music as a continuous project in progress. It is not true that the preservation of the songs as they were recorded is * certainly * the most respectful method of dealing with those songs. It is simply the most archivally valid one. But - honestly - I don't think Prince wanted his music to be transmitted to archivists. I believe that Prince wanted his music to be used to the fullest. This * fullest * is not an objective value, it depends on who - in this moment - is in the condition of being able to betray the music of Prince, I mean, transforming it from an archive to an enjoyable product. I think everyone has to deal with this thing, the only one who could have given us Prince's music as Prince wanted was Prince.

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f.

To make myself clearer, I do not believe that what Prince wants is an element to consider anymore. Prince's prerogrative was to keep stuff for himself and/erase it when he was alive, but what he chose to leave behind either because he released it, gave a copy to someone or kept it in the vault now belongs to humankind. I mean of course legally it belongs to the Estate and they are free to release, remix or even burn every tape if they want to, but I'm trying to think at a more historic scale here.

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Maybe not every line of text written by Goethe or Kafka reflects what they wanted or their greatest talents as writers, but we ain't gonna ask Stephen King to rewrite them so they become more enjoyable or more "finished". Same way we probably have music sheets by Beethoven or Bach that may not be finished or extraordinary works, but we ain't gonna tell Philip Glass to "finish" them so the orchestra can play a nicer piece. And no, we ain't gonna draw sunglasses on an obscure DiVinci painting just because the girl would look better with sunglasses. What we have is what we have, as is. All of the above is public domain so technically everyone can remix or rewrite it, but the originals are carefully preserved, studied and transmitted to the next generation, who is free to enjoy it as such. You don't have a Wagner Estate who decides they can rewrite a music sheet and release it and that's all you'll ever get of it because the original is in their vault and no one has access to it.

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It's not about what Prince would have wanted. Prince is dead.

It's not about what we want. Everybody wants something different anyway.

All of this is irrelevant to me. It's about, as you said yourself, archives, it's about preserving and studying what we have as it is. All the better for it if we enjoy those little demos or soundchecks and as I said after all why not have someone remix them if you must, for commercial reasons since the sad reality of it is that the Estate is in this for the money, but if so the originals have to be released and it must be absolutely clear which is which. Not to say I want a fucking Justin Timberlake remix, but that as long as the original is there, I can live with it. Of course NC2U is out there in bootleg form, but it should not be in bootleg form. Worst case they should have released both original and Howe Mix and made it clear that the How Mix was posthumous.

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Reply #392 posted 05/01/19 8:00am

BartVanHemelen

databank said:

which is why with the rise of the digital age artists often chose to release a neat 30 to 45 minutes album over a longer but weaker one.

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Yeah, about that: https://pitchfork.com/the...pop-album/

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Reply #393 posted 05/01/19 8:04am

BartVanHemelen

stillwaiting said:

TrevorAyer said:

I think Dream FActory and Crystal Ball would be great "Record Store Day" releases. Camille as well.

Great idea, but you have to remember there is a lot of overlap.

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Still fucking better than the truncated 1999 from last year.

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Reply #394 posted 05/01/19 9:26am

ThirdStrike

Romeoblu said:

Personally I think The from the vault disc on Purple Rain deluxe set was great. I never had any problems with the sound quality on any of the tracks. I agree that there were so many better choices than Piano and a Microphone 83 but I still think it's a great listen and was very well presented and was a worthy release. [Edited 5/1/19 7:01am]

Great minds think alike. Exactly my opinion as well... thumbs up!

Reply #395 posted 05/01/19 9:40am

fabriziovenerandi

Romeoblu said:

Personally I think The from the vault disc on Purple Rain deluxe set was great. I never had any problems with the sound quality on any of the tracks. I agree that there were so many better choices than Piano and a Microphone 83 but I still think it's a great listen and was very well presented and was a worthy release. [Edited 5/1/19 7:01am]

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I think there were problems in some songs (Our Destiny, Velvet Kitty Cat...) and a bad tracklist.

Reply #396 posted 05/01/19 10:06am

love2thenines2003

Why no Single yet ??? cool

Reply #397 posted 05/01/19 11:16am

databank

Romeoblu said:

Personally I think The from the vault disc on Purple Rain deluxe set was great. I never had any problems with the sound quality on any of the tracks. I agree that there were so many better choices than Piano and a Microphone 83 but I still think it's a great listen and was very well presented and was a worthy release. [Edited 5/1/19 7:01am]

I'm not an audiophile so I was fine with the sound quality on PR Deluxe. When it comes to the From The Vault & Previously Unreleased CD I had no problem with content, that was great but:

- Sequencing was poor, but OK let's admit it was just filling a CD with random songs and not trying to make it a great, album-like listeninge xperience as a whole. I can live with that.

- The drop-out on one channel of Computer Blue, while barely noticeable, is a pity.

- Someone whom I trust who has access to uncirculating material told me that based on what they had prior to the release, the segue between OD and RG is wrong. No definite proof of it, it could have been a later mix, but there are strong suspicions that WB had that mash-up from Jill's OD to P's RG and/or the separate Lisa OD and Prince RG and mishmashed both of those to make an attempt at recreating the original transition. If this is the case this is ridiculous, I'd rather have had Jill's version with the right segue, or both tracks separate.

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As for P&M83 I think it's great but it could be that more effort could have made to restoring the tape and improving its sound quality. But I'm totally happy with what we have: at least it's a cohesive listeninge xperience and it's been released as it was without any alteration.

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Then again of course there were other problems on PR Deluxe (the glitch on EC which is unacceptable, missing single edits and music videos, wrong recording dates on the booklet and liner notes), and 4ever has a major fuck-up which is that the single edit of Let's Work isn't the real one but a poor reconstruction. Add to that the NC2U fiasco and... well... It's not to say that it's all bad, but of course you can't help thinking that if it had all been curated proberly, none of this nonsense should have happened.

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Reply #398 posted 05/01/19 11:50am

Kares

databank said:

Romeoblu said:

Personally I think The from the vault disc on Purple Rain deluxe set was great. I never had any problems with the sound quality on any of the tracks. I agree that there were so many better choices than Piano and a Microphone 83 but I still think it's a great listen and was very well presented and was a worthy release. [Edited 5/1/19 7:01am]

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As for P&M83 I think it's great but it could be that more effort could have made to restoring the tape and improving its sound quality. But I'm totally happy with what we have: at least it's a cohesive listeninge xperience and it's been released as it was without any alteration.

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The person in charge told me that they didn't want to perform any manipulation at all, their aim was to present the tape as it is. I don't necessarily agree with this but it is certainly one of the ethical approaches I can support.

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But what that approach ignored is the fact that Prince's tape recorder wasn't properly calibrated, it was running a bit slow – therefore the cassette, when played back on a properly calibrated machine will play a bit fast and higher in pitch. This is definitely something they should have fixed as the music on 'Pianon & A Microphone 1983' now sounds different (fast and higher in pitch) to how Prince played/sang and heard it back then. So in this case ignoring the fault of the original recording became a manipulation, while playing it back at the exact speed it was recorded with would've led to reaching the goal of "no manipulations".
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Reply #399 posted 05/01/19 12:12pm

OnlyNDaUsa

BartVanHemelen said:

stillwaiting said:

Great idea, but you have to remember there is a lot of overlap.

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Still fucking better than the truncated 1999 from last year.

I agree... now the original from back then is interesting...but why Now? And if I had bought that "Versace Experiencee" years ago... (I am not saying I could have but I did see it up for auction I have no idea what it sold for) I would be mad. They put out a 'rare' single a year or 2 ago... that I have and I am like wow thanks! (I also bid on that Pop Life thing but I got out bid I was not that interesting in it...) I do still want a 10" Mountains!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #400 posted 05/01/19 12:18pm

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

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As for P&M83 I think it's great but it could be that more effort could have made to restoring the tape and improving its sound quality. But I'm totally happy with what we have: at least it's a cohesive listeninge xperience and it's been released as it was without any alteration.

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The person in charge told me that they didn't want to perform any manipulation at all, their aim was to present the tape as it is. I don't necessarily agree with this but it is certainly one of the ethical approaches I can support.

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But what that approach ignored is the fact that Prince's tape recorder wasn't properly calibrated, it was running a bit slow – therefore the cassette, when played back on a properly calibrated machine will play a bit fast and higher in pitch. This is definitely something they should have fixed as the music on 'Pianon & A Microphone 1983' now sounds different (fast and higher in pitch) to how Prince played/sang and heard it back then. So in this case ignoring the fault of the original recording became a manipulation, while playing it back at the exact speed it was recorded with would've led to reaching the goal of "no manipulations".
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Interesting. Thx. I was told something else (that does not contradict what you said, more like complement it) but I am not at liberty to say it, just that it could have been better technically speaking.

If the "person in charge" is still in charge (not sure if you're talking Michael Howe or some uncredited engineer, and of course you don't have to name names publicly) is still involved and you're still in touch, maybe you could suggest they start paying attention to what some of us die-hard fans suggest in terms of quality control and curating wink

It could all be so much better...

This being said I listened to Make Up yesterday and I think a version with Prince on vocals could become an instant cult classic nod lol

Regardless, the tracklist of the collection could have been handled so much better by someone with a deep understanding of Prince's works and how to organize them to come-up with a cohesive listening experience. But I'll suspend my jusgement and wait until I hear it to decide, I certainly would never have believed the CB tracklist could have worked until I heard the final product.

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Reply #401 posted 05/01/19 1:04pm

jfenster

shouldnt it be about what one wants to hear in their car?

Reply #402 posted 05/01/19 3:23pm

WhisperingDandelions

I feel like in terms of track sequencing if we're arguing for a more "archival" and academic approach strictly chronological-order by recording date would be best, no? First thing I'll do when I get Originals is re-sequence chronologically with reference to PrinceVault.

Reply #403 posted 05/01/19 3:28pm

IstenSzek

love2thenines2003 said:

Why no Single yet ??? cool


probably because tidal get the 14 day exclusive, so if there were to be a single,
it would probably show up on tidal?

i don't know. boxed


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #404 posted 05/02/19 1:04am

fabriziovenerandi

databank said:

To make myself clearer, I do not believe that what Prince wants is an element to consider anymore. Prince's prerogrative was to keep stuff for himself and/erase it when he was alive, but what he chose to leave behind either because he released it, gave a copy to someone or kept it in the vault now belongs to humankind. I mean of course legally it belongs to the Estate and they are free to release, remix or even burn every tape if they want to, but I'm trying to think at a more historic scale here.

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Maybe not every line of text written by Goethe or Kafka reflects what they wanted or their greatest talents as writers, but we ain't gonna ask Stephen King to rewrite them so they become more enjoyable or more "finished". Same way we probably have music sheets by Beethoven or Bach that may not be finished or extraordinary works, but we ain't gonna tell Philip Glass to "finish" them so the orchestra can play a nicer piece. And no, we ain't gonna draw sunglasses on an obscure DiVinci painting just because the girl would look better with sunglasses. What we have is what we have, as is. All of the above is public domain so technically everyone can remix or rewrite it, but the originals are carefully preserved, studied and transmitted to the next generation, who is free to enjoy it as such. You don't have a Wagner Estate who decides they can rewrite a music sheet and release it and that's all you'll ever get of it because the original is in their vault and no one has access to it.

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It's not about what Prince would have wanted. Prince is dead.

It's not about what we want. Everybody wants something different anyway.

All of this is irrelevant to me. It's about, as you said yourself, archives, it's about preserving and studying what we have as it is. All the better for it if we enjoy those little demos or soundchecks and as I said after all why not have someone remix them if you must, for commercial reasons since the sad reality of it is that the Estate is in this for the money, but if so the originals have to be released and it must be absolutely clear which is which. Not to say I want a fucking Justin Timberlake remix, but that as long as the original is there, I can live with it. Of course NC2U is out there in bootleg form, but it should not be in bootleg form. Worst case they should have released both original and Howe Mix and made it clear that the How Mix was posthumous.

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I understand your point of view. I think those are two different things: a) keep releasing Prince's album for fans and casual listeners, b) release the Vault archives for historical reasons. I think now Estates needs the a) : because it is more lucrative and because it is closer to Prince's spirit. Even when Prince released his parody of bootlegs, the Crystal Ball, he made 3 albums that are not a sterile archive, but 3 enjoing albums (editing, altering the tracks, and using a low-timing for each album <50)

There is a second thing I disagree with: the concept of "original". I think in Prince's archive we do not have originals: we have works, materials, variations. How many versions we have of the same song? How many different edit, fade out Prince made with his own tracks?

I make a simple example: where a track ends? If I have a 20 minutes version of a song, with 3 minutes of song and 17 very boring minutes of Prince playing with instrument for research reasons, where, now, I could decide to stop and release the song? Is the 20 minutes the "original", or not?
I don't think the longest choice is the right one anyway.

For this reason I used the "betrayal" term.

I hope Estate could find the right edge between a) and b): release "new" album of Prince music for the world, and release archives for long-term fans.

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f.

Reply #405 posted 05/02/19 1:41am

Kares

fabriziovenerandi said:

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There is a second thing I disagree with: the concept of "original". I think in Prince's archive we do not have originals: we have works, materials, variations. How many versions we have of the same song? How many different edit, fade out Prince made with his own tracks?

I make a simple example: where a track ends? If I have a 20 minutes version of a song, with 3 minutes of song and 17 very boring minutes of Prince playing with instrument for research reasons, where, now, I could decide to stop and release the song? Is the 20 minutes the "original", or not?

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I think it's very simple:
release the core (edited) version on albums aimed at the general public, but make Collectors' Editions with the full, unedited recordings. We certainly need the full versions and for the record: no "17 minutes of Prince playing instrumends for research reasons" are ever boring to me as a musician and as a Prince fan who studies his works.

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Reply #406 posted 05/02/19 1:47am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

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The person in charge told me that they didn't want to perform any manipulation at all, their aim was to present the tape as it is. I don't necessarily agree with this but it is certainly one of the ethical approaches I can support.

.
But what that approach ignored is the fact that Prince's tape recorder wasn't properly calibrated, it was running a bit slow – therefore the cassette, when played back on a properly calibrated machine will play a bit fast and higher in pitch. This is definitely something they should have fixed as the music on 'Pianon & A Microphone 1983' now sounds different (fast and higher in pitch) to how Prince played/sang and heard it back then. So in this case ignoring the fault of the original recording became a manipulation, while playing it back at the exact speed it was recorded with would've led to reaching the goal of "no manipulations".
.

Interesting. Thx. I was told something else (that does not contradict what you said, more like complement it) but I am not at liberty to say it, just that it could have been better technically speaking.

If the "person in charge" is still in charge (not sure if you're talking Michael Howe or some uncredited engineer, and of course you don't have to name names publicly) is still involved and you're still in touch, maybe you could suggest they start paying attention to what some of us die-hard fans suggest in terms of quality control and curating wink

It could all be so much better...

This being said I listened to Make Up yesterday and I think a version with Prince on vocals could become an instant cult classic nod lol

Regardless, the tracklist of the collection could have been handled so much better by someone with a deep understanding of Prince's works and how to organize them to come-up with a cohesive listening experience. But I'll suspend my jusgement and wait until I hear it to decide, I certainly would never have believed the CB tracklist could have worked until I heard the final product.

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Sure, P&AM83 could have been better technically (and as we have a 24bit version, it can still be improved for ourselves).
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And for the rest of what you wrote: Yes. wink

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #407 posted 05/02/19 2:57am

jenst

TrevorAyer said:

I think Dream FActory and Crystal Ball would be great "Record Store Day" releases. Camille as well.

YES, definitely! Just look at the craze over the latest Bob Dylan lp on RSD, which was about 99% overlap with historical AND recently released material.

"Novelty" releases are perfect, and these projects deserve to be presented on their own.

Reply #408 posted 05/02/19 3:10am

Romeoblu

Amazon now have a picture of the inner gatefold for deluxe set.
Reply #409 posted 05/02/19 3:40am

OnlyNDaUsa

Opps!

I oedered "The BeautfulOnes" and the CD at the same time. And now both have the same delivery day! What?! October 29th! But as I got the book for $22.87 that is okay...I will just go buy the CD on the 21...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #410 posted 05/02/19 3:44am

darkroman

Romeoblu said:

Amazon now have a picture of the inner gatefold for deluxe set.


Interesting, and yet more purple on every release!


Reply #411 posted 05/02/19 4:00am

bonatoc

Kares said:

darkroman said:

Even Prince knew Kate was way out of his league! !

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Don't be ridiculous. I love Kate Bush but that is a really ignorant statement.


It really is, since the original demo for "Why Should I Love U" is much different.
Prince's inputs as an arranger and performer are undeniable in the end result, like it or not.
It's Kate that was way up her ass, like Madonna: you can't guest Prince on your album.
Because you end up with a Prince song on your album, singing a background lead part.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #412 posted 05/02/19 4:03am

Kares

darkroman said:

Romeoblu said:

Amazon now have a picture of the inner gatefold for deluxe set.


Interesting, and yet more purple on every release!


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Apparently the Estate's idea of a deluxe set is a "hardback"-version with the same content as the regular release. sad
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #413 posted 05/02/19 4:44am

databank

darkroman said:

Romeoblu said:

Amazon now have a picture of the inner gatefold for deluxe set.


Interesting, and yet more purple on every release!


81MDOsaHkRL._SL800_.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong but none of the 3 non-WB songs appear on the pictures. If so, there was probably indeed a copyright problem with publishing pix of the Bangles, Rogers and Martika records nod

[Edited 5/2/19 4:44am]

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home

I apologize for every time I offended someone when debates got "heated". Love y'all yes
Reply #414 posted 05/02/19 7:26am

darkroman

databank said:

darkroman said:


Interesting, and yet more purple on every release!

Correct me if I'm wrong but none of the 3 non-WB songs appear on the pictures. If so, there was probably indeed a copyright problem with publishing pix of the Bangles, Rogers and Martika records nod

[Edited 5/2/19 4:44am]



Well in fairness there could be additional artwork on the inner bags or booklet if there is one.

I'd be interested to see if any cover shot, for an associated artist release, has made it onto the artwork that isn't featured on the album - that would be very expected by the Estate to make such an error!


lol

Reply #415 posted 05/02/19 10:46am

GottaHaveFaith

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release? I know this is basically bare bones compared to all of us who have bootlegs, but I wanna give this a chance. I liked Piano and A Microphone so, i'm ready for this

The Wind and the willow's playing Tea for Two. The Sky Was Yellow and the sun was blue
Reply #416 posted 05/02/19 10:51am

Kares

GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release? I know this is basically bare bones compared to all of us who have bootlegs, but I wanna give this a chance. I liked Piano and A Microphone so, i'm ready for this

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I'm very much looking forward to it, but can't say I'm excited. I'm hoping it will be the first step in the right direction, because we really do need that first step by now.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #417 posted 05/02/19 10:52am

violetcrush

databank said:

 



darkroman said:


 



Romeoblu said:


Amazon now have a picture of the inner gatefold for deluxe set.


Interesting, and yet more purple on every release!


81MDOsaHkRL._SL800_.jpg



Correct me if I'm wrong but none of the 3 non-WB songs appear on the pictures. If so, there was probably indeed a copyright problem with publishing pix of the Bangles, Rogers and Martika records nod

[Edited 5/2/19 4:44am]


Or, because this a release of songs originally written and recorded by Prince they may only be using pics of him and those artists who were in his camp.
Reply #418 posted 05/02/19 11:14am

Romeoblu

GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release? I know this is basically bare bones compared to all of us who have bootlegs, but I wanna give this a chance. I liked Piano and A Microphone so, i'm ready for this




I can't wait to my hands on a copy.
Reply #419 posted 05/02/19 11:47am

purplepolitician

I hope these times r wrong. I just reassociated myself w/ Sheila's Noon Rendezvous n it's a minute longer than it says for this release. Forget an extended version, the whole song at least would suffice, who knows. Still anxious 2 hear these (putting it milding drool), but hrmph.

God bless 'em, God bless 'em, God bless 'em 🙏.
Reply #420 posted 05/02/19 12:25pm

rdhull

GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release?

Nope. Most fans are as well.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #421 posted 05/02/19 12:31pm

soladeo1

I'm definately excited! Pre-ordered it as soon as it was doable!!!

Two formats too! Digital and Vinyl!!!

Reply #422 posted 05/02/19 1:10pm

jasopig

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I hope the estate never releases something they thing will sell byond the diehards, because that means for the next 30 years we'll get countless "newly remastered" versions of Take Me With U and Raspberry Beret.

We were foolish to think the estate would ever release anything from the vault en masse. Remember when we all said "there's enough unheard music in the vault to release an album a year for 100 years".... But they'll never do that, because it won't sell. The best we can hope for is every 10 years to get another "newly remastered" greatest hits package with 1 or 2 unreleased songs.

The vault is, and always was, a mirage. Accept that.

Reply #423 posted 05/02/19 1:36pm

Ramzoo

According song durations available: we're thus able to compare with what we have already... biggrin

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

"Baby, You're A Trip" is more than 2 minutes longer than the version currently circulating!!! eek

Reply #424 posted 05/02/19 1:54pm

IstenSzek

Ramzoo said:

According song durations available: we're thus able to compare with what we have already... biggrin

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

"Baby, You're A Trip" is more than 2 minutes longer than the version currently circulating!!! eek


it's the same length as it is on the jill jones album tho, isn't it?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #425 posted 05/02/19 2:47pm

stillwaiting

jasopig said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I hope the estate never releases something they thing will sell byond the diehards, because that means for the next 30 years we'll get countless "newly remastered" versions of Take Me With U and Raspberry Beret.

We were foolish to think the estate would ever release anything from the vault en masse. Remember when we all said "there's enough unheard music in the vault to release an album a year for 100 years".... But they'll never do that, because it won't sell. The best we can hope for is every 10 years to get another "newly remastered" greatest hits package with 1 or 2 unreleased songs.

The vault is, and always was, a mirage. Accept that.

With a few minor exceptions, music sales in general...cds, downloads, etc are selling less and less every single year. Vinyl records have had a nice increase but an increase from what? And with Warners making 14,000 of His Majesty's with 2 tracks with the wrong speed, we can expect a comedy of errors. If the estate wants one album release a year, by the time year 10 hits, many more fans will be too old to care or dead. Almost everyone involved really knows little about Prince's music, and even less about what a die hard would pay for.

On the positve side, this release has 64 minutes instead of Piano and Mirco's 34. 34 minute discs may be a lot for an artist with nothing in the vault, but for us, it was an insult. Maybe, this is a sign of things getting better. With 34 minute discs, it would take roughly 500 cds to equal the music you can fit on 200 discs. At an average of $10 a disc, that's either $2000 or $5000 per fan. They can always make box sets with the book seperate so the fans that just want the music can be happy, and make a shoddy error filled book for the people who like such things...

Reply #426 posted 05/02/19 3:01pm

jfenster

if this is a Tidal release..how come WB is part of it?

Reply #427 posted 05/02/19 3:07pm

stillwaiting

jfenster said:

if this is a Tidal release..how come WB is part of it?

snip - of4$

My response: My memory of the whole thing is that all the Tidal album releases, starting with HNR Phase 2 were Tidal exclusive for a period of time, and Prince(now the estate) Can distribute them as they please on physical media and competing streaming/I Tunes, etc...as per whatever the agreement was.

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Reply #428 posted 05/02/19 7:33pm

Moonbeam

GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release? I know this is basically bare bones compared to all of us who have bootlegs, but I wanna give this a chance. I liked Piano and A Microphone so, i'm ready for this

I'm quite excited for this, too! That said, I've been pretty happy with all of the posthumous releases, so maybe I'm easy to please.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #429 posted 05/02/19 9:08pm

gandorb

i am definitely stoked for this one. I have already pre-ordered the CD.

Reply #430 posted 05/03/19 2:24am

SchlomoThaHomo

IstenSzek said:

 



Ramzoo said:


According song durations available: we're thus able to compare with what we have already... biggrin


 


https://www.rhino.com/product/originals#1cd


 


"Baby, You're A Trip" is more than 2 minutes longer than the version currently circulating!!! eek




it's the same length as it is on the jill jones album tho, isn't it?


 



I always felt like she was trying to imitate a Prince vocal during the intro portion. I’m curious to see if that’s the case with this longer Prince version we’re getting.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #431 posted 05/03/19 4:00am

MIRvmn

GottaHaveFaith said:

Am I the only one who seems excited for this release? I know this is basically bare bones compared to all of us who have bootlegs, but I wanna give this a chance. I liked Piano and A Microphone so, i'm ready for this


I'm looking forward to this release cool
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #432 posted 05/03/19 4:50am

leecaldon

jasopig said:

Dazza said:

Why is everyone so excited about this? It won’t sell wider than die hards. I have zero interest in Prince singing songs he specifically wrote for women. So fed up with the way the estate is managed. They’ve lost all momentum by not releasing something with wider appeal.

I hope the estate never releases something they thing will sell byond the diehards, because that means for the next 30 years we'll get countless "newly remastered" versions of Take Me With U and Raspberry Beret.

We were foolish to think the estate would ever release anything from the vault en masse. Remember when we all said "there's enough unheard music in the vault to release an album a year for 100 years".... But they'll never do that, because it won't sell. The best we can hope for is every 10 years to get another "newly remastered" greatest hits package with 1 or 2 unreleased songs.

The vault is, and always was, a mirage. Accept that.

Whatever you think of the actual releases, this is the second year in a row where we're getting an album from the vault.

Reply #433 posted 05/03/19 5:14am

undergroundFUNK

I can't wait to hear these in good quality especially Love Thy Will B Done.
Love41Another 💜
Reply #434 posted 05/03/19 7:08am

soladeo1

Lots of things to get excited about regarding this release!

SEX SHOOTER - a Prince-vocal of this propulsive, under-rated funk jammer sounds AWESOME!

JUNGLE LOVE - Likewise on this one. The original is a classic w/ Morris but a Prince lead vocal take will be interesting.

MANIC MONDAY - a flat-out pop masterpeice. Prince doing his best Beatles/The Holllies impression. I wonder if the instrumentals behind his vocal lead are the same as The Bangles version?

NOON RENDEZVOUS - Interesting song and a welcome 'breather' in the sequence of tunes. The track sort of hints at what he was doing a few short years later with SOTT.

MAKE UP - LEFTFIELD CHOICE!! The song is bizarre and pretty obscure as a deep track on the Vanity 6 LP. But it's nervy and edgy and experimentive. Hearing Prince 'say-sing' these lyrics will be endlessly hilarious.

100 MPH - YESSSSS!!!! Underrated FUNK!!!

YOU'RE MY LOVE - Prince singing on this song (and playing the instruments behind it) might elevate this song...who knows??

HOLLY ROCK - This one should be VERY interesting. Early proto-rap from Prince???

BABY, YOU'RE A TRIP - Never particularly liked the original. Sort of meanders around... Maybe Prince singing it can elevate it??

THE GLAMEROUS LIFE - WOW. Can't wait.

GIGOLOS GET LONELY TOO - This one could be really interesting. Early 80s soul ballad with Prince singing lead?? Yes, please!

LOVE...THY WILL BE DONE - ANother underrated masterpeice, IMO!! A definate Holy Grail Track!! Should be the lead single from the album if there is one...

DEAR MICHAELANGELO - Could be interesting!

WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO LOVE ME? - Awesome song! Wonder which version of the tune is coming out? Prince recorded like 10 versions of it over the years. This one could be a single too!

NOTHING COMPARES 2 U - Nice to have it in here. Of course, we all love it!!

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[Edited 5/3/19 7:09am]

Reply #435 posted 05/03/19 12:01pm

lurker316

Kares said:

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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer).
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)

[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]

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haven't you said that all the posthumas releases have been from cassettes? PR Dluxe Vault disc, Moonbeam Levels, Piano and Mic? Why is that? Why have they not used the master tapes?
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Could they not find the masters? Or maybe the masters are in serious need of restoration and they didn't want to wait?

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Reply #436 posted 05/03/19 12:08pm

jfenster

undergroundFUNK said:

I can't wait to hear these in good quality especially Love Thy Will B Done.

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...

Reply #437 posted 05/03/19 12:49pm

Kares

lurker316 said:

Kares said:

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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer).
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)

[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]

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haven't you said that all the posthumas releases have been from cassettes? PR Dluxe Vault disc, Moonbeam Levels, Piano and Mic? Why is that? Why have they not used the master tapes?
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Could they not find the masters? Or maybe the masters are in serious need of restoration and they didn't want to wait?

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Copying from another thread:

jfenster said:

Kares said:

All posthumus releases (Moonbeam Levels, PR Deluxe outtakes, P&AM83 and partially NC2U) were sourced from cassettes, for various reasons:
– Moonbeam Levels and the PR Deluxe outtakes were produced when Warner didn't yet have access to Paisley's vault tapes, they had to use the cassettes they had.
– P&AM was taped on cassette originally, so it is what it is.
– PC2U was in part sourced from a cassette copy of the mixdown tape that had Prince's vocals, and that was mixed with parts of the multitrack. Why they didn't use the 1/4" mixdown tape with Prince's vocals I don't know. Perhaps they couldn't find it yet, but it must be there.

but they got that rehearsal footage from the vault.....why not the music

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NC2U did come from the vault, but the original multitrack tape doesn't have Prince's vocals anymore, he taped over it. The NC2U release was therefore mixed from the multitracks and from a cassette copy of a mixdown tape that still had Prince's vocals.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #438 posted 05/03/19 2:52pm

BoraBora

jfenster said:

undergroundFUNK said:

I can't wait to hear these in good quality especially Love Thy Will B Done.

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...




In my book the original version (and Martika version) is probably the greatest song ever given by P to a related artist.

The NPG rendition destroy the atmospheric quality of it.




Reply #439 posted 05/03/19 4:30pm

stillwaiting

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Still fucking better than the truncated 1999 from last year.

I agree... now the original from back then is interesting...but why Now? And if I had bought that "Versace Experiencee" years ago... (I am not saying I could have but I did see it up for auction I have no idea what it sold for) I would be mad. They put out a 'rare' single a year or 2 ago... that I have and I am like wow thanks! (I also bid on that Pop Life thing but I got out bid I was not that interesting in it...) I do still want a 10" Mountains!

I don't normally get into politics much here, as I simply don't care, but that signature if "Sanders Gets Elected?" Colonel Sanders is dead, Deion Sanders is on the NFL network. Bernie Sanders? Isn't he like 92? I don't think he's running for anything is he?

Reply #440 posted 05/03/19 5:30pm

violetcrush

soladeo1 said:

Lots of things to get excited about regarding this release!

SEX SHOOTER - a Prince-vocal of this propulsive, under-rated funk jammer sounds AWESOME!

JUNGLE LOVE - Likewise on this one. The original is a classic w/ Morris but a Prince lead vocal take will be interesting.

MANIC MONDAY - a flat-out pop masterpeice. Prince doing his best Beatles/The Holllies impression. I wonder if the instrumentals behind his vocal lead are the same as The Bangles version?

NOON RENDEZVOUS - Interesting song and a welcome 'breather' in the sequence of tunes. The track sort of hints at what he was doing a few short years later with SOTT.

MAKE UP - LEFTFIELD CHOICE!! The song is bizarre and pretty obscure as a deep track on the Vanity 6 LP. But it's nervy and edgy and experimentive. Hearing Prince 'say-sing' these lyrics will be endlessly hilarious.

100 MPH - YESSSSS!!!! Underrated FUNK!!!

YOU'RE MY LOVE - Prince singing on this song (and playing the instruments behind it) might elevate this song...who knows??

HOLLY ROCK - This one should be VERY interesting. Early proto-rap from Prince???

BABY, YOU'RE A TRIP - Never particularly liked the original. Sort of meanders around... Maybe Prince singing it can elevate it??

THE GLAMEROUS LIFE - WOW. Can't wait.

GIGOLOS GET LONELY TOO - This one could be really interesting. Early 80s soul ballad with Prince singing lead?? Yes, please!

LOVE...THY WILL BE DONE - ANother underrated masterpeice, IMO!! A definate Holy Grail Track!! Should be the lead single from the album if there is one...

DEAR MICHAELANGELO - Could be interesting!

WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO LOVE ME? - Awesome song! Wonder which version of the tune is coming out? Prince recorded like 10 versions of it over the years. This one could be a single too!

NOTHING COMPARES 2 U - Nice to have it in here. Of course, we all love it!!

[Edited 5/3/19 7:08am]

[Edited 5/3/19 7:09am]

Manic Monday - I think The Bangles improved it - both in sound and instrumental, but it's the about same tempo and beat. Here's the Brenda/Apollonia demo - Brenda should have had the lead on the A6 version because her voice kicks ass. You can still hear her quite a bit:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WXfHSLjQnA

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Noon Rendezvous - would have been perfect on the Roadhouse Garden track list or even Dream Factory - so sad he never released those. This one's not really the SOTT sound in my opinion.

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Holly Rock - his first rap was Extraloveable '82/'83 version - "I wanna rap a little bit..." Not really, but I think it's the first time he mentions "rap" in a song biggrin

Reply #441 posted 05/03/19 11:02pm

Romeoblu

Kares said:

 



lurker316 said:


 



Kares said:


 


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It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer). 
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)


[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]



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haven't you said that all the posthumas releases have been from cassettes?  PR Dluxe Vault disc, Moonbeam Levels, Piano and Mic?  Why is that?  Why have they not used the master tapes?
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Could they not find the masters? Or maybe the masters are in serious need of restoration and they didn't want to wait?


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Copying from another thread:



jfenster said:


 



Kares said:


All posthumus releases (Moonbeam Levels, PR Deluxe outtakes, P&AM83 and partially NC2U) were sourced from cassettes, for various reasons:
– Moonbeam Levels and the PR Deluxe outtakes were produced when Warner didn't yet have access to Paisley's vault tapes, they had to use the cassettes they had. 
– P&AM was taped on cassette originally, so it is what it is.
– PC2U was in part sourced from a cassette copy of the mixdown tape that had Prince's vocals, and that was mixed with parts of the multitrack. Why they didn't use the 1/4" mixdown tape with Prince's vocals I don't know. Perhaps they couldn't find it yet, but it must be there.



but they got that rehearsal footage from the vault.....why not the music



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NC2U did come from the vault, but the original multitrack tape doesn't have Prince's vocals anymore, he taped over it. The NC2U release was therefore mixed from the multitracks and from a cassette copy of a mixdown tape that still had Prince's vocals.


 



To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not.

I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.
Reply #442 posted 05/03/19 11:42pm

embmmusic

BoraBora said:

jfenster said:

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...




In my book the original version (and Martika version) is probably the greatest song ever given by P to a related artist.

The NPG rendition destroy the atmospheric quality of it.




Have I missed something? LTWBD wasn't on NPS

Check out The Collector's Guide to Prince on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/p...4ldzxwlEuy
Reply #443 posted 05/03/19 11:59pm

FragileUndertow

embmmusic said:

 



BoraBora said:


 



jfenster said:


 


too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...






In my book the original version (and Martika version) is probably the greatest song ever given by P to a related artist.

The NPG rendition destroy the atmospheric quality of it.






Have I missed something? LTWBD wasn't on NPS



I'm guessing he means The NPG version with Sonny on lead vocals and prince on guitar
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #444 posted 05/04/19 12:17am

Kares

Romeoblu said:

Kares said:.

NC2U did come from the vault, but the original multitrack tape doesn't have Prince's vocals anymore, he taped over it. The NC2U release was therefore mixed from the multitracks and from a cassette copy of a mixdown tape that still had Prince's vocals.

To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not. I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.

.

To me it is totally unacceptable for 2 reasons:

– it is unethical to combine 2 different versions posthumously and not communicating this fact at all.
– It is unacceptable to use a cassette copy of a mix when the 1/4" mixdown reel must be in the vault too. Did they just not find it? No-one mixes a song straight to cassette tape, it was mixed to 1/4" first and that reel should even have a safety copy too on another 1/4" reel. The cassette copy was made from one of these 1/4" tapes.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #445 posted 05/04/19 9:15am

violetcrush

Romeoblu said:

Kares said:

 



lurker316 said:


 



Kares said:


 


.
It's reassuring to hear I'm not totally deaf yet razz (and yes, I'm a sound engineer). 
I remember hearing the story of Prince taping over his own vocal track on the 2" from many years ago, and I can absolutely believe it's true. I would've objected to such a barbaric move of course, after all, he probably had two 2" machines hooked up and synced, so he could've used a second reel of tape if he ran out of tracks, but apparently he didn't care that much about the song. (What I don't understand is that there must be a 1/4" mixdown tape too, did they not find that prior to producing the 2018 release?)


[Edited 4/30/19 11:51am]



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haven't you said that all the posthumas releases have been from cassettes?  PR Dluxe Vault disc, Moonbeam Levels, Piano and Mic?  Why is that?  Why have they not used the master tapes?
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Could they not find the masters? Or maybe the masters are in serious need of restoration and they didn't want to wait?


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Copying from another thread:



jfenster said:


 



Kares said:


All posthumus releases (Moonbeam Levels, PR Deluxe outtakes, P&AM83 and partially NC2U) were sourced from cassettes, for various reasons:
– Moonbeam Levels and the PR Deluxe outtakes were produced when Warner didn't yet have access to Paisley's vault tapes, they had to use the cassettes they had. 
– P&AM was taped on cassette originally, so it is what it is.
– PC2U was in part sourced from a cassette copy of the mixdown tape that had Prince's vocals, and that was mixed with parts of the multitrack. Why they didn't use the 1/4" mixdown tape with Prince's vocals I don't know. Perhaps they couldn't find it yet, but it must be there.



but they got that rehearsal footage from the vault.....why not the music



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NC2U did come from the vault, but the original multitrack tape doesn't have Prince's vocals anymore, he taped over it. The NC2U release was therefore mixed from the multitracks and from a cassette copy of a mixdown tape that still had Prince's vocals.


 



To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not.

I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.

Martika’s Version is great, but the song sounded beautiful when Prince sang it live. I’m sure his original recording is beautiful too. Martika also added extra vocals and instrumental to her version. I’m guessing Prince’s will be a “stripped down” version.
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For me, most of the Prince versions of songs he gave away are better - Come Home, 101, Train, 5 Women, etc. Looking forward to hearing his original of LTWBD.
Reply #446 posted 05/04/19 9:43am

stillwaiting

stillwaiting said:

jfenster said:

if this is a Tidal release..how come WB is part of it?

snip - of4$

My response: My memory of the whole thing is that all the Tidal album releases, starting with HNR Phase 2 were Tidal exclusive for a period of time, and Prince(now the estate) Can distribute them as they please on physical media and competing streaming/I Tunes, etc...as per whatever the agreement was.

[Edited 5/2/19 15:08pm]

I don't think I've ever been censored before. I used a 4 letter word, and used a response you know who would have made telling them they are stupid and should know how to use Google and all..lol. But I was obviously not picking on jfenster, I was making fun of someone who likes to be mean and wicked to everyone.

Reply #447 posted 05/04/19 10:43am

jfenster

FragileUndertow said:

embmmusic said:

Have I missed something? LTWBD wasn't on NPS

I'm guessing he means The NPG version with Sonny on lead vocals and prince on guitar

yes ..but the Prince vocal version remains unreleased

Reply #448 posted 05/04/19 11:33am

BoraBora

jfenster said:

FragileUndertow said:

embmmusic said: I'm guessing he means The NPG version with Sonny on lead vocals and prince on guitar

yes ..but the Prince vocal version remains unreleased



Also the NPG version. Obviously we're talking of bootlegs, 'til now.

But the NPG version (also available live in many tapes, "Astoria 1995" to say one) is somewhat a little too "hard" and distonic vs. the calm and serene sounds of the original creation.

As far as I know, there are two versions of the original take circulating... a surely genuine one with P vocals (near identical to Martika's version, minus the strings) and a duet P/Martika (if I'm not wrong available on the old old "Red" Bootleg CD").
Anyway I'm always a little doubt on the duet version (I honestly can't think it was ever conceived as duet).

But the important thing is that we finally have a proper release of P's version.
Finally.
A Classic.



Reply #449 posted 05/05/19 12:51am

dodger

BoraBora said:

 



jfenster said:


 



FragileUndertow said:


embmmusic said: I'm guessing he means The NPG version with Sonny on lead vocals and prince on guitar

yes ..but the Prince vocal version remains unreleased





Also the NPG version. Obviously we're talking of bootlegs, 'til now.

But the NPG version (also available live in many tapes, "Astoria 1995" to say one) is somewhat a little too "hard" and distonic vs. the calm and serene sounds of the original creation.

As far as I know, there are two versions of the original take circulating... a surely genuine one with P vocals (near identical to Martika's version, minus the strings) and a duet P/Martika (if I'm not wrong available on the old old "Red" Bootleg CD").
Anyway I'm always a little doubt on the duet version (I honestly can't think it was ever conceived as  duet).


 


But the important thing is that we finally have a proper release of P's version.
Finally.
A Classic.





Speaking of live versions the one from Paris 98 is awesome.
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My favourite live version is from the Piano & A Mic show in Sydney. You could hear a pin drop and it tears me up every time.
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Even though we've had the original P version for years I'm really looking forward to getting it on this new release
Reply #450 posted 05/05/19 2:06am

databank

violetcrush said:

Romeoblu said:
To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not. I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.
Martika’s Version is great, but the song sounded beautiful when Prince sang it live. I’m sure his original recording is beautiful too. Martika also added extra vocals and instrumental to her version. I’m guessing Prince’s will be a “stripped down” version. * For me, most of the Prince versions of songs he gave away are better - Come Home, 101, Train, 5 Women, etc. Looking forward to hearing his original of LTWBD.

We have P's original version in bootleg form, it indeed lacks certain extra arrangements but works nonetheless. There's always the possibility that yet another mix exists that will be here but my money is on it being the same version.

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Reply #451 posted 05/05/19 6:03am

violetcrush

databank said:

 



violetcrush said:


Romeoblu said:
To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not. I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.

Martika’s Version is great, but the song sounded beautiful when Prince sang it live. I’m sure his original recording is beautiful too. Martika also added extra vocals and instrumental to her version. I’m guessing Prince’s will be a “stripped down” version. * For me, most of the Prince versions of songs he gave away are better - Come Home, 101, Train, 5 Women, etc. Looking forward to hearing his original of LTWBD.

We have P's original version in bootleg form, it indeed lacks certain extra arrangements but works nonetheless. There's always the  possibility that yet another mix exists that will be here but my money is on it being the same version.


Yes, I realized I’ve heard the boot of Prince’s original. I agree that it is most likely what will be released. It would be great if he had Clare Fischer add to his version, but I’m sure that’s doubtful.
Reply #452 posted 05/05/19 6:06am

zranta

TheEnglishGent said:

So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this.

having not heard any Prince versions of any of these i am really excited about this release.

Reply #453 posted 05/05/19 12:05pm

TrevorAyer

We all thought we were getting familiar versions of dance electric and electric intercourse and look how that turned out .. it is very possible that no nc2u mix with prince exists in the vault .. I don’t believe they waste 1/4 inch tape for ruf mixes if they don’t have to .. if this was intended for the family to sing it seems likely prince made a ruf mix on cassette only to give to st paul .. especially if the intention was to use prince same instrumental tracks ... good chance a lot of this new release comes from cassettes... unless they truly have made progress on sorting the vault .. so far we have no evidence that they have much from the actual master tapes yet
Reply #454 posted 05/05/19 12:36pm

Kares

TrevorAyer said:

We all thought we were getting familiar versions of dance electric and electric intercourse and look how that turned out .. it is very possible that no nc2u mix with prince exists in the vault .. I don’t believe they waste 1/4 inch tape for ruf mixes if they don’t have to .. if this was intended for the family to sing it seems likely prince made a ruf mix on cassette only to give to st paul .. especially if the intention was to use prince same instrumental tracks ... good chance a lot of this new release comes from cassettes... unless they truly have made progress on sorting the vault .. so far we have no evidence that they have much from the actual master tapes yet

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I'm sorry but no-one in their right mind mixes straight to a compact cassette. And "wasting 1/4" tape"? smile The cost of 1/4" tape was negligible compared to studio costs while the quality difference between a 30ips, 1/4" tape and a compact cassette is so big it would be a ridiculous decision to use the latter just to save a couple of dollars. So I think we can safely rule that out. There must be a professional mixdown tape with Prince's vocals.

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Reply #455 posted 05/05/19 2:17pm

TrevorAyer

Kares said:

TrevorAyer said:

We all thought we were getting familiar versions of dance electric and electric intercourse and look how that turned out .. it is very possible that no nc2u mix with prince exists in the vault .. I don’t believe they waste 1/4 inch tape for ruf mixes if they don’t have to .. if this was intended for the family to sing it seems likely prince made a ruf mix on cassette only to give to st paul .. especially if the intention was to use prince same instrumental tracks ... good chance a lot of this new release comes from cassettes... unless they truly have made progress on sorting the vault .. so far we have no evidence that they have much from the actual master tapes yet

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I'm sorry but no-one in their right mind mixes straight to a compact cassette. And "wasting 1/4" tape"? smile The cost of 1/4" tape was negligible compared to studio costs while the quality difference between a 30ips, 1/4" tape and a compact cassette is so big it would be a ridiculous decision to use the latter just to save a couple of dollars. So I think we can safely rule that out. There must be a professional mixdown tape with Prince's vocals.

well it would be a ruf mix with the guide vocal .. not a final mix .. and it is certainly quicker to do a mix right to cassette than to mix to 1/4 inch and then make a tape from the reel for your band people to check out .. prince loved put stuff on cassette all the time .. and he liked to work fast .. i don't think it is so far fetched ... and why would the estate bother mixing the cassette vocals with the studio masters if anything else of higher quality actually exists?

perhaps the nc2u that appears on 'originals' will prove the existance of a master with prince vocals .. but if it is the same as the single .. after 3 years .. then clearly there is no 1/4 master mix

Reply #456 posted 05/05/19 3:12pm

OnlyNDaUsa

TrevorAyer said:

We all thought we were getting familiar versions of dance electric and electric intercourse and look how that turned out .. it is very possible that no nc2u mix with prince exists in the vault .. I don’t believe they waste 1/4 inch tape for ruf mixes if they don’t have to .. if this was intended for the family to sing it seems likely prince made a ruf mix on cassette only to give to st paul .. especially if the intention was to use prince same instrumental tracks ... good chance a lot of this new release comes from cassettes... unless they truly have made progress on sorting the vault .. so far we have no evidence that they have much from the actual master tapes yet

Was "The Dance Electric" all that different than what we got? I know "Possessed" was. And "Electric Intercourse" was a huge suprise for many. I do not think either Per Nilson nor Duane Tudahl were aware of it!

I did notice that the NC2U time liawd here was 2 seconds shorter than the released one. That could be nothing or it may be a different mix--without Paul and Sussana...maybe even no Eric. With the report of the Japanese version having a different version who knows.


"Manic Monday" is the same length as the leaked Apollonia and Prince version.

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Reply #457 posted 05/06/19 3:35am

BartVanHemelen

OnlyNDaUsa said:

And "Electric Intercourse" was a huge suprise for many. I do not think either Per Nilson nor Duane Tudahl were aware of it!

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Did we have evidence of it existing? Nope. Did we suspect it existed? Yep.

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #458 posted 05/06/19 11:39am

McD

databank said:

 



violetcrush said:


Romeoblu said:
To me this is totally acceptable. Some others seem to think not. I also agree Love... Thy will be done is one of his best songs ever to be given away and I much prefer the Martika version.

Martika’s Version is great, but the song sounded beautiful when Prince sang it live. I’m sure his original recording is beautiful too. Martika also added extra vocals and instrumental to her version. I’m guessing Prince’s will be a “stripped down” version. * For me, most of the Prince versions of songs he gave away are better - Come Home, 101, Train, 5 Women, etc. Looking forward to hearing his original of LTWBD.

We have P's original version in bootleg form, it indeed lacks certain extra arrangements but works nonetheless. There's always the  possibility that yet another mix exists that will be here but my money is on it being the same version.



The existing version with Prince vocals is likely his last musical contribution to the track and, as such, the purest ‘Prince’ version we’ll get. So bring it on, in perfect quality. Probably my favourite Prince track of all time. But as much as I love this particular version, the song was beautiful in every arrangement.

For some commentary on what happened between this recording and Martika adding her vocals, see this interview with C.J. Vanston. As the Prince bit is buried deep, I’ve quoted it in full below.

https://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/cj-vanston-the-most-famous-keyboardist-youve-never-heard-of

Talk about some of the bigger productions from that time.

Well, one of the early ones was for an artist named Martika, who was being produced by Prince. They had a song they just couldn’t finish (“Love, Thy Will Be Done”). They gave it to 13 guys. And I took it, and created this mini-symphony out of it. And I got the gig out of the 13 guys, it got back to Prince, and he hired me to play on some more stuff from there. That was a huge one-up. Without ever meeting him. But we worked together. I ended up playing B-3 on a bunch his stuff, and he wrote me back, “Brother, that’s the best B-3 I’ve heard since Sly and the Family Stone.”
Reply #459 posted 05/06/19 12:03pm

stillwaiting

OnlyNDaUsa said:

TrevorAyer said:

We all thought we were getting familiar versions of dance electric and electric intercourse and look how that turned out .. it is very possible that no nc2u mix with prince exists in the vault .. I don’t believe they waste 1/4 inch tape for ruf mixes if they don’t have to .. if this was intended for the family to sing it seems likely prince made a ruf mix on cassette only to give to st paul .. especially if the intention was to use prince same instrumental tracks ... good chance a lot of this new release comes from cassettes... unless they truly have made progress on sorting the vault .. so far we have no evidence that they have much from the actual master tapes yet

Was "The Dance Electric" all that different than what we got? I know "Possessed" was. And "Electric Intercourse" was a huge suprise for many. I do not think either Per Nilson nor Duane Tudahl were aware of it!

I did notice that the NC2U time liawd here was 2 seconds shorter than the released one. That could be nothing or it may be a different mix--without Paul and Sussana...maybe even no Eric. With the report of the Japanese version having a different version who knows.


"Manic Monday" is the same length as the leaked Apollonia and Prince version.

Dance Electric was missing the guitar solo, nice to have but not the essential version. Posessed was a weaker take, but hopefully if there is a 1999 Deluxe, it will be there. Electric would have been better if it was part of a box set with a Blu Ray (which Blu Ray does not exist according to the DVD happy estate) of the 8-3-83 show, and 2 CD including the rehearsal, but probably a pipe dream, though a standard dvd is a possibility for that show, and no matter what they have for this show, the picture ain't gonna be great, but the reason for the Blu Ray, is the audio would likely sound much better, but God forbid anyone in the estate or Warners has any understanding of this.

Reply #460 posted 05/06/19 12:14pm

databank

McD said:

databank said:

We have P's original version in bootleg form, it indeed lacks certain extra arrangements but works nonetheless. There's always the possibility that yet another mix exists that will be here but my money is on it being the same version.

The existing version with Prince vocals is likely his last musical contribution to the track and, as such, the purest ‘Prince’ version we’ll get. So bring it on, in perfect quality. Probably my favourite Prince track of all time. But as much as I love this particular version, the song was beautiful in every arrangement. For some commentary on what happened between this recording and Martika adding her vocals, see this interview with C.J. Vanston. As the Prince bit is buried deep, I’ve quoted it in full below. https://www.keyboardmag.c...r-heard-of Talk about some of the bigger productions from that time. Well, one of the early ones was for an artist named Martika, who was being produced by Prince. They had a song they just couldn’t finish (“Love, Thy Will Be Done”). They gave it to 13 guys. And I took it, and created this mini-symphony out of it. And I got the gig out of the 13 guys, it got back to Prince, and he hired me to play on some more stuff from there. That was a huge one-up. Without ever meeting him. But we worked together. I ended up playing B-3 on a bunch his stuff, and he wrote me back, “Brother, that’s the best B-3 I’ve heard since Sly and the Family Stone.”

Cool, thx smile

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Reply #461 posted 05/07/19 7:39pm

Strive

stillwaiting said:

(which Blu Ray does not exist according to the DVD happy estate) of the 8-3-83 show, and 2 CD including the rehearsal, but probably a pipe dream, though a standard dvd is a possibility for that show, and no matter what they have for this show, the picture ain't gonna be great, but the reason for the Blu Ray, is the audio would likely sound much better, but God forbid anyone in the estate or Warners has any understanding of this.

You're mistaken. The DVD included with Purple Rain Deluxe had lossless audio so there would be no benefit to releasing it on Blu-Ray.

[Edited 5/7/19 19:42pm]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #462 posted 05/07/19 7:46pm

embmmusic

Strive said:

stillwaiting said:

(which Blu Ray does not exist according to the DVD happy estate) of the 8-3-83 show, and 2 CD including the rehearsal, but probably a pipe dream, though a standard dvd is a possibility for that show, and no matter what they have for this show, the picture ain't gonna be great, but the reason for the Blu Ray, is the audio would likely sound much better, but God forbid anyone in the estate or Warners has any understanding of this.

You're mistaken. The DVD included with Purple Rain Deluxe had lossless audio so there would be no benefit to releasing it on Blu-Ray.

[Edited 5/7/19 19:42pm]

Blu-ray can hold a 96kbps 24-bit audio track. It just depends on if there's a high quality source recording.

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Reply #463 posted 05/08/19 3:07pm

stillwaiting

Strive said:

stillwaiting said:

(which Blu Ray does not exist according to the DVD happy estate) of the 8-3-83 show, and 2 CD including the rehearsal, but probably a pipe dream, though a standard dvd is a possibility for that show, and no matter what they have for this show, the picture ain't gonna be great, but the reason for the Blu Ray, is the audio would likely sound much better, but God forbid anyone in the estate or Warners has any understanding of this.

You're mistaken. The DVD included with Purple Rain Deluxe had lossless audio so there would be no benefit to releasing it on Blu-Ray.

[Edited 5/7/19 19:42pm]

It sounds good to me, but not lossless. Granted, the source material is 34 years old, even if there were no improvement in audio, the discs seem to last longer and scratch less. The Rolling Stones vault series are mainly shows before 1990, and I upgraded a few to Blu Ray, and they sound better to me. I only buy Blu Ray now, so no way to compare recent releases, other than Michael Jackson's This Is It which clearly sounds and looks better on Blu Ray.

Reply #464 posted 05/09/19 1:13pm

jfenster

stillwaiting said:

Strive said:

You're mistaken. The DVD included with Purple Rain Deluxe had lossless audio so there would be no benefit to releasing it on Blu-Ray.

[Edited 5/7/19 19:42pm]

It sounds good to me, but not lossless. Granted, the source material is 34 years old, even if there were no improvement in audio, the discs seem to last longer and scratch less. The Rolling Stones vault series are mainly shows before 1990, and I upgraded a few to Blu Ray, and they sound better to me. I only buy Blu Ray now, so no way to compare recent releases, other than Michael Jackson's This Is It which clearly sounds and looks better on Blu Ray.

i think we all should be more concerned with them actually releasing things rather than if they r blu-ray...one fight at a time

Reply #465 posted 05/12/19 8:16am

kookooman73

BoraBora said:

 



jfenster said:


 



undergroundFUNK said:


I can't wait to hear these in good quality especially Love Thy Will B Done.

too bad it wont be the guitar version from NPS...






In my book the original version (and Martika version) is probably the greatest song ever given by P to a related artist.

The NPG rendition destroy the atmospheric quality of it.





Totally agree. This is my favourite P song of all time. Not just for it’s beautiful simplicity & lyrics but for as u say ‘atmospheric quality.’ This Track alone is worth the album price & should indeed a lead single. I’m sooooo looking forward to this release i’m ‘Counting the days.’ 💜
Reply #466 posted 05/13/19 3:57am

mushmackalenta

I think this album will be one of the most accessible albums in his discography.

It's full of great 3 to 5 minute pop songs. I think it will make for a highly enjoyable listening experience.
Reply #467 posted 05/13/19 1:50pm

jfenster

suprized it hasnt leaked yet

Reply #468 posted 05/13/19 2:21pm

jfenster

why wasnt this announced when NCTU was released???

Reply #469 posted 05/13/19 4:22pm

IstenSzek

some days this place just makes me want to cry smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #470 posted 05/13/19 4:38pm

Lovejunky

jfenster said:

why wasnt this announced when NCTU was released???

because they are maiking this up as they go along.................................

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #471 posted 05/13/19 4:39pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Getting excited! Hoping this is leaked or that I can at least hear it (without paying for Tidal: I do not listen to streaming) before the 21st. I also may end up getting 2 copies. Amazon said it will not ship until the book comes out. So I may have to go to wal mart to get it on the 21st. And is Amazon going to have MP3 ripps?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #472 posted 05/13/19 4:39pm

purplepolitician

IstenSzek said:

some days this place just makes me want to cry smile

comfort

God bless 'em, God bless 'em, God bless 'em 🙏.
Reply #473 posted 05/13/19 4:46pm

IstenSzek

purplepolitician said:

IstenSzek said:

some days this place just makes me want to cry smile

comfort


well, you are one of the cheerful notes for me nod so thank you for that hug

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #474 posted 05/13/19 5:10pm

OnlyNDaUsa

IstenSzek said:

some days this place just makes me want to cry smile

It is passion! I know when I saw the list I was like "what about (10 other songs)..." but I am so excited! I think I have not been this excited for a new album since prince

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #475 posted 05/13/19 5:21pm

IstenSzek

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IstenSzek said:

some days this place just makes me want to cry smile

It is passion! I know when I saw the list I was like "what about (10 other songs)..." but I am so excited! I think I have not been this excited for a new album since prince


oh i wasn't talking about this release, i was talking about some of the posters on the org lol boxed


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #476 posted 05/13/19 6:11pm

purplepolitician

IstenSzek said:

purplepolitician said:

comfort


well, you are one of the cheerful notes for me nod so thank you for that hug

hug I try, I try lol

God bless 'em, God bless 'em, God bless 'em 🙏.
Reply #477 posted 05/14/19 1:51pm

TheEnglishGent

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Getting excited! Hoping this is leaked or that I can at least hear it (without paying for Tidal: I do not listen to streaming) before the 21st. I also may end up getting 2 copies. Amazon said it will not ship until the book comes out. So I may have to go to wal mart to get it on the 21st. And is Amazon going to have MP3 ripps?


I don't understand this. Won't listen to streaming but mp3 is ok? Just sign up for Tidal and get the free month to listen to it. If you cancel immediately after signing up you still get your month and don't have to worry about remembering to cancel. You can also download it to your device, so you don't have to be online to listen. What's the objection? There's no valid reason not to listen on Tidal as far as I can make out.

RIP sad
Reply #478 posted 05/14/19 2:53pm

pld71

15 Nothing Compares To You
(The Family / 1985/1984
16 * Nothing Compares To You (The Love of Love) (Cinematic Version)
* Japanese edition Bonus Track

just saw this on the japanese edition..i wonder if its worth getting?
Reply #479 posted 05/14/19 4:45pm

OnlyNDaUsa

TheEnglishGent said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Getting excited! Hoping this is leaked or that I can at least hear it (without paying for Tidal: I do not listen to streaming) before the 21st. I also may end up getting 2 copies. Amazon said it will not ship until the book comes out. So I may have to go to wal mart to get it on the 21st. And is Amazon going to have MP3 ripps?


I don't understand this. Won't listen to streaming but mp3 is ok? Just sign up for Tidal and get the free month to listen to it. If you cancel immediately after signing up you still get your month and don't have to worry about remembering to cancel. You can also download it to your device, so you don't have to be online to listen. What's the objection? There's no valid reason not to listen on Tidal as far as I can make out.

Cool! Thanks!

I can play an MP3 off a CDR in my car... I can not stream to my car's stereo. Amazon gives you free MP3s when you buy some CDs...

I was not sure if I the Free month would work for an exclusive album but if I can I will get it that way for sure.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #480 posted 05/14/19 4:56pm

OnlyNDaUsa

pld71 said:

15 Nothing Compares To You
(The Family / 1985/1984
16 * Nothing Compares To You (The Love of Love) (Cinematic Version)
* Japanese edition Bonus Track

just saw this on the japanese edition..i wonder if its worth getting?

Yeah... that was mentioned... we can hope one is his original cut.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #481 posted 05/14/19 5:14pm

Kares

OnlyNDaUsa said:

pld71 said:

15 Nothing Compares To You
(The Family / 1985/1984
16 * Nothing Compares To You (The Love of Love) (Cinematic Version)
* Japanese edition Bonus Track

just saw this on the japanese edition..i wonder if its worth getting?

Yeah... that was mentioned... we can hope one is his original cut.

.

I'm pretty sure "cinematic version" is Japanese for "video" (the video clip we already have). The Estate is not going to put out something unique only in Japan.
.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #482 posted 05/14/19 5:16pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Kares said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Yeah... that was mentioned... we can hope one is his original cut.

.

I'm pretty sure "cinematic version" is Japanese for "video" (the video clip we already have). The Estate is not going to put out something unique only in Japan.
.


yeah. but I meant 15 would be different and 16 would be what was released last year.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #483 posted 05/14/19 9:10pm

amokeru

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Kares said:

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I'm pretty sure "cinematic version" is Japanese for "video" (the video clip we already have). The Estate is not going to put out something unique only in Japan.
.


yeah. but I meant 15 would be different and 16 would be what was released last year.



Now, Target exclusive CD also has NC2U (Cinematic "REMIX").

https://intl.target.com/p/prince-originals-target-exclusive/-/A-54646389

Highlights

  • Original recordings of songs Prince wrote for others
  • Includes bonus track, "Nothing Compares To You (Cinematic Remix)"
  • Songs sourced directly from Prince's vault recordings

Reply #484 posted 05/14/19 11:49pm

pld71

Wow, thanks for that info. I just cancelled my Japanese cd and orderered the Target Edition. Now it's officially not a video.

Reply #485 posted 05/15/19 12:00am

love2thenines2003

Cinematic remix remixed by who(PRINCE) and when (circa 1984?).....if not...this is without interest for me!
Reply #486 posted 05/15/19 12:07am

pld71

I'm wondering if it's just the version with strings like The Family.

[Edited 5/15/19 0:28am]

Reply #487 posted 05/15/19 3:42am

OnlyNDaUsa

love2thenines2003 said:

Cinematic remix remixed by who(PRINCE) and when (circa 1984?)......if not...this is without interest for me!



Might be the one from 1991?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #488 posted 05/15/19 12:12pm

BartVanHemelen

Odd promo: https://twitter.com/TIDAL...3949849600

.

Stream Prince's never-before-heard recording of "Manic Monday" on 'Originals,' streaming exclusively on TIDAL June 7th. #TIDALXPrincehttp://tdl.sh/XOBpBB

.

[Edited 5/15/19 12:12pm]

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #489 posted 05/15/19 12:17pm

pld71

That tweet makes it sound like you can hear MM early. Sadly no.
Reply #490 posted 05/16/19 4:32am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

Odd promo: https://twitter.com/TIDAL...3949849600

.

Stream Prince's never-before-heard recording of "Manic Monday" on 'Originals,' streaming exclusively on TIDAL June 7th. #TIDALXPrincehttp://tdl.sh/XOBpBB

.

[Edited 5/15/19 12:12pm]

thanks for the link.

FYI anyone - Tidal have 32 songs written by P for others on a compilation, usual stuff on there from the Time , Sheila E etc...notably the Kenny Rogers original is on there! Not a bad compilation.

Reply #491 posted 05/16/19 5:58am

djdaffy1227

How do you check out at the Target page? I can get to my cart but there is nowhere to pay.

EDIT: Figured it out!

[Edited 5/16/19 6:37am]

Making love and music are the only things worth fighting for.
Reply #492 posted 05/16/19 8:57am

gandorb

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


Odd promo: https://twitter.com/TIDAL/status/1128389693949849600


.



Stream Prince's never-before-heard recording of "Manic Monday" on 'Originals,' streaming exclusively on TIDAL June 7th. #TIDALXPrincehttp://tdl.sh/XOBpBB 



.


[Edited 5/15/19 12:12pm]



 


thanks for the link. 


 


FYI anyone - Tidal have 32 songs written by P for others on a compilation, usual stuff on there from the Time , Sheila E etc...notably the Kenny Rogers original is on there! Not a bad compilation.



Is it just for streaming or can one download?
Reply #493 posted 05/16/19 9:07am

PURPLEIZED3121

gandorb said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

thanks for the link.

FYI anyone - Tidal have 32 songs written by P for others on a compilation, usual stuff on there from the Time , Sheila E etc...notably the Kenny Rogers original is on there! Not a bad compilation.

Is it just for streaming or can one download?

If you have TIDAL you can DL all, to confirm that this one is available to DL.

Reply #494 posted 05/16/19 5:11pm

sonshine

TheEnglishGent said:

 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


Getting excited!  Hoping this is leaked or that I can at least hear it (without paying for Tidal: I do not listen to streaming) before the 21st.  I also may end up getting 2 copies.  Amazon said it will not ship until the book comes out. So I may have to go to wal mart to get it on the 21st.  And is Amazon going to have MP3 ripps?




I don't understand this. Won't listen to streaming but mp3 is ok? Just sign up for Tidal and get the free month to listen to it. If you cancel immediately after signing up you still get your month and don't have to worry about remembering to cancel. You can also download it to your device, so you don't have to be online to listen. What's the objection? There's no valid reason not to listen on Tidal as far as I can make out.


I agree. I like Tidal. Thanks to them I was finally able to get the music I was missing from my Prince collection that I had been trying to find affordably for ages.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #495 posted 05/17/19 4:18am

OnlyNDaUsa

sonshine said:

TheEnglishGent said:


I don't understand this. Won't listen to streaming but mp3 is ok? Just sign up for Tidal and get the free month to listen to it. If you cancel immediately after signing up you still get your month and don't have to worry about remembering to cancel. You can also download it to your device, so you don't have to be online to listen. What's the objection? There's no valid reason not to listen on Tidal as far as I can make out.

I agree. I like Tidal. Thanks to them I was finally able to get the music I was missing from my Prince collection that I had been trying to find affordably for ages.

yeah but if you alreay had it... but again I have no real way to listen to streaming sites in my car--which is where i listen to 90% of my music...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #496 posted 05/17/19 7:11am

BartVanHemelen

OnlyNDaUsa said:

sonshine said:

TheEnglishGent said: I agree. I like Tidal. Thanks to them I was finally able to get the music I was missing from my Prince collection that I had been trying to find affordably for ages.

yeah but if you alreay had it...

.

Tidal was/is the only place to obtain lossless copies of several NPGMC albums, which previously were only available in lossy quality (and DRM'ed) (and that DRM has expired because the servers are offline so you cannot play these tracks).

.

(And by "obtain" I mean "buy and download", not just stream.)

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #497 posted 05/17/19 7:34am

WhisperingDandelions

BartVanHemelen said:

Tidal was/is the only place to obtain lossless copies of several NPGMC albums, which previously were only available in lossy quality (and DRM'ed) (and that DRM has expired because the servers are offline so you cannot play these tracks).

.

(And by "obtain" I mean "buy and download", not just stream.)

I dunno, I think somebody needs to tell Tidal to google what the original tracklisting of The Chocolate Invasion looked like.

Reply #498 posted 05/17/19 9:28am

Kares

WhisperingDandelions said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Tidal was/is the only place to obtain lossless copies of several NPGMC albums, which previously were only available in lossy quality (and DRM'ed) (and that DRM has expired because the servers are offline so you cannot play these tracks).

.

(And by "obtain" I mean "buy and download", not just stream.)

I dunno, I think somebody needs to tell Tidal to google what the original tracklisting of The Chocolate Invasion looked like.

.

Obviously it was Prince who made the change, and he was free to do so. It has nothing to do with Tidal, they sell what they are given by the labels.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #499 posted 05/17/19 12:59pm

POOK

bonatoc said:

 



TheEnglishGent said:


So am I the only person excited for this? Got shitty versions of most of these, so having great versions is something I'm looking forward to. Not sure I've even heard a version of Manic Monday with Prince on lead or Jungle Love.

Looking forward to this. 




Can't wait either.
A pristine "Love Thy Will Be Done"?
Holly Fuck.



NO IT HOLLY ROCK

ROCK

P o o |/,
P o o |\
Reply #500 posted 05/17/19 1:59pm

thedoorkeeper

I'm with POOK!
Hope it's Holly Rock.

biggrin
Reply #501 posted 05/17/19 3:33pm

OnlyNDaUsa

BartVanHemelen said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah but if you alreay had it...

.

Tidal was/is the only place to obtain lossless copies of several NPGMC albums, which previously were only available in lossy quality (and DRM'ed) (and that DRM has expired because the servers are offline so you cannot play these tracks).

.

(And by "obtain" I mean "buy and download", not just stream.)

I do not care about lossless I can not hear enough differece. I got 4 of the NPGMC albums...and a few other of the songs from there...and YES the DRM messed me up... but I overcame that. But I am not all that into most of it... meh...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #502 posted 05/20/19 8:53am

highcalonic

E319 said:

tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

1. Sex Shooter 3.06

2. Jungle Love 3.04

3. Manic Monday 2.51

4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00

5. Make-Up 2.27

6. 100 MPH 3.31

7. You're My Love 4.24

8. Holly Rock 6.39

9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52

10. The Glamorous Life 4.12

11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41

12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09

13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22

14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57

15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39

Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.

[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]

Disappointed at the track time for “Noon Rendezvous.” Was hoping It had a guitar solo and the “Sitting at this cafe, waiting for my baby” part like in that awesome rehearsal bootleg.

"Noon Rendez-Vous" is Prince sitting at his piano with a drum machine behind.

"You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
Reply #503 posted 05/20/19 10:40am

love2thenines2003

highcalonic said:

 



E319 said:


tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.


https://www.rhino.com/product/originals#1cd


 


 



1. Sex Shooter 3.06


2. Jungle Love 3.04


3. Manic Monday 2.51


4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00


5. Make-Up 2.27


6. 100 MPH 3.31


7. You're My Love 4.24


8. Holly Rock 6.39


9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52


10. The Glamorous Life 4.12


11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41


12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09


13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22


14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57


15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39


 


Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.



 


[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]



Disappointed at the track time for “Noon Rendezvous.” Was hoping It had a guitar solo and the “Sitting at this cafe, waiting for my baby” part like in that awesome rehearsal bootleg.

"Noon Rendez-Vous" is Prince sitting at his piano with a drum machine behind.




Do u have other details and preview info about other things? Thanx in advance
Reply #504 posted 05/21/19 4:10am

Romeoblu

highcalonic said:

 



E319 said:


tmcjb said:

Found the track times. Prepare to be disappointed.


https://www.rhino.com/product/originals#1cd


 


 



1. Sex Shooter 3.06


2. Jungle Love 3.04


3. Manic Monday 2.51


4. Noon Rendezvous 3.00


5. Make-Up 2.27


6. 100 MPH 3.31


7. You're My Love 4.24


8. Holly Rock 6.39


9. Baby, You're a Trip 5.52


10. The Glamorous Life 4.12


11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too 4.41


12. Love... Thy Will Be Done 4.09


13. Dear Michaelangelo 5.22


14. Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? 5.57


15. Nothing Compares 2 U 4.39


 


Looks like they're all edits. Sex Shooter and Jungle Love are both shorter than the final released versions.



 


[Edited 4/29/19 10:15am]



Disappointed at the track time for “Noon Rendezvous.” Was hoping It had a guitar solo and the “Sitting at this cafe, waiting for my baby” part like in that awesome rehearsal bootleg.

"Noon Rendez-Vous" is Prince sitting at his piano with a drum machine behind.



So have you heard it or just heard that is what it is?
Reply #505 posted 05/21/19 5:18am

highcalonic

Romeoblu said:

highcalonic said:

"Noon Rendez-Vous" is Prince sitting at his piano with a drum machine behind.

So have you heard it or just heard that is what it is?

A friend of mine heard it and gave me some details about the tracks.

"You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
Reply #506 posted 05/21/19 6:29am

love2thenines2003

highcalonic said:

 



Romeoblu said:


highcalonic said:

 


"Noon Rendez-Vous" is Prince sitting at his piano with a drum machine behind.



So have you heard it or just heard that is what it is?

A friend of mine heard it and gave me some details about the tracks.




Can u share some more details?

Thanx a lot
Reply #507 posted 05/21/19 6:50am

IstenSzek

obviously you're going to have to beg a little harder lol

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #508 posted 05/21/19 11:18am

Cinny

bluegangsta said:

feeluupp said:

So basically this is just a more polished Blast from the past album lol


falloff

Hey, I always said I would line up to pay for it if it was released officially, and I have my deluxe pre-order!

Reply #509 posted 05/21/19 1:42pm

mushmackalenta

love2thenines2003 said:

highcalonic said:

 



Romeoblu said:


highcalonic said:

 


"Noon Rendez-Vous" is Prince sitting at his piano with a drum machine behind.



So have you heard it or just heard that is what it is?

A friend of mine heard it and gave me some details about the tracks.




Can u share some more details?

Thanx a lot


It is out there. Not so much a leak in the sense as readily available but a few have digital copies.


It's a Cool release but some people are gonna be moaning about a few things, as we all expect.
Reply #510 posted 05/21/19 2:45pm

love2thenines2003

mushmackalenta said:

love2thenines2003 said:




Can u share some more details?

Thanx a lot


It is out there. Not so much a leak in the sense as readily available but a few have digital copies.


It's a Cool release but some people are gonna be moaning about a few things, as we all expect.



What do u mean ? Thanx
Reply #511 posted 05/21/19 3:16pm

antonb

come on guys and girls, how is the sound quality? Are some tracks sounding better than others?

Reply #512 posted 05/21/19 5:11pm

rdhull

mushmackalenta said:

love2thenines2003 said:
Can u share some more details? Thanx a lot
It is out there. Not so much a leak in the sense as readily available but a few have digital copies. It's a Cool release but some people are gonna be moaning about a few things, as we all expect.

People here will moan about a 15 minute blow job. Give us a heads up tho about what we wont like.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #513 posted 05/22/19 3:05am

highcalonic

antonb said:

come on guys and girls, how is the sound quality? Are some tracks sounding better than others?

Yes, some tracks sound better than others.

"You can skate around the issue if you like,
But who's gonna get you high in the middle of the night?"
Reply #514 posted 05/22/19 3:22am

antonb

Ok thanks for answering
Reply #515 posted 05/22/19 4:32am

love2thenines2003

highcalonic said:

antonb said:

come on guys and girls, how is the sound quality? Are some tracks sounding better than others?

Yes, some tracks sound better than others.

...because the differents sources ?.....and what about the takes

....any surprises in comparison of ones already in circulation ??

thanx

Reply #516 posted 05/22/19 6:23am

billymeade

love2thenines2003 said:

 



highcalonic said:


 



antonb said:


come on guys and girls, how is the sound quality? Are some tracks sounding better than others?



Yes, some tracks sound better than others.



 


 


...because the differents sources ?.....and what about the takes


....any surprises in comparison of ones already in circulation ??


 


 


thanx


 



Can't you just wait 10 days and make up your own mind?
Reply #517 posted 05/22/19 6:43am

fabriziovenerandi

highcalonic said:

antonb said:

come on guys and girls, how is the sound quality? Are some tracks sounding better than others?

Yes, some tracks sound better than others.

Is Prince singing Sex Shooter? Manic Monday is the bootleg version with Prince singing with Apollonia, or a Prince solo voice?

Thank you

Reply #518 posted 05/22/19 7:13am

Romeoblu

Surely it would defeat the object of the release if Prince isn't lead vocals on all songs.
Reply #519 posted 05/22/19 8:07am

antonb

billymeade said:

love2thenines2003 said:

 



highcalonic said:


 



antonb said:


come on guys and girls, how is the sound quality? Are some tracks sounding better than others?



Yes, some tracks sound better than others.



 


 


...because the differents sources ?.....and what about the takes


....any surprises in comparison of ones already in circulation ??


 


 


thanx


 



Can't you just wait 10 days and make up your own mind?

Tell you what. Let's just wait for anything. And not attempt to discuss anything. Forever!
Reply #520 posted 05/22/19 8:08am

rdhull

antonb said:

billymeade said:
Can't you just wait 10 days and make up your own mind?
Tell you what. Let's just wait for anything. And not attempt to discuss anything. Forever!

lol

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #521 posted 05/22/19 8:44am

Romeoblu

antonb said:

billymeade said:



Can't you just wait 10 days and make up your own mind?

Tell you what. Let's just wait for anything. And not attempt to discuss anything. Forever!



A few tidbits of info would be nice. Help build the excitement or even lower expectations.

Hopefully Tidal will give us a taster this Friday.
Reply #522 posted 05/22/19 8:58am

Cinny

fabriziovenerandi said:

highcalonic said:

Yes, some tracks sound better than others.

Is Prince singing Sex Shooter? Manic Monday is the bootleg version with Prince singing with Apollonia, or a Prince solo voice?

Thank you


Yeah why do I keep thinking it will be Apollonia & The Revolution's version?

Reply #523 posted 05/22/19 8:59am

Cinny

Romeoblu said:

Surely it would defeat the object of the release if Prince isn't lead vocals on all songs.

Logically... yes...

Reply #524 posted 05/22/19 11:00am

fabriziovenerandi

Cinny said:


Yeah why do I keep thinking it will be Apollonia & The Revolution's version?

+1

Reply #525 posted 05/22/19 12:46pm

Cinny

IstenSzek said:

Ramzoo said:

According song durations available: we're thus able to compare with what we have already... biggrin

https://www.rhino.com/pro...ginals#1cd

"Baby, You're A Trip" is more than 2 minutes longer than the version currently circulating!!! eek


it's the same length as it is on the jill jones album tho, isn't it?

Ugh, no offense but I was looking forward to the Prince vocal version closer to 1982 than 1987.

Reply #526 posted 05/22/19 3:56pm

OnlyNDaUsa

billymeade said:

love2thenines2003 said:

...because the differents sources ?.....and what about the takes

....any surprises in comparison of ones already in circulation ??

thanx

Can't you just wait 10 days and make up your own mind?

16 days!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #527 posted 05/22/19 3:59pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Cinny said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

Is Prince singing Sex Shooter? Manic Monday is the bootleg version with Prince singing with Apollonia, or a Prince solo voice?

Thank you


Yeah why do I keep thinking it will be Apollonia & The Revolution's version?

he would have still have done a guide vocal. But it could be (and is the same time as the bootleg with the both of them).

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #528 posted 05/23/19 2:26am

mushmackalenta

I think people will find You're my Love to be a revelation. There is a reason that song was selected.
Reply #529 posted 05/23/19 3:16am

love2thenines2003

mushmackalenta said:

I think people will find You're my Love to be a revelation. There is a reason that song was selected.


U said that as u already have heard the song...so ?
Reply #530 posted 05/23/19 3:44am

JorisE73

love2thenines2003 said:

mushmackalenta said:
I think people will find You're my Love to be a revelation. There is a reason that song was selected.
U said that as u already have heard the song...so ?


I was told by some traders I know that some high up collectors got a collection of samples some months ago from 'scary face you know who guy' of the Prince versions of the tracks that will be on Originals.
Some of them said they don't know if exactly those versions will be on Originals or different edit/versions.
If the tracks on Originals are differnt from those samples they got then that would mean that other versions of the songs are out there with traders or 'Elite' collectors.
And they said that the sample of Manic Monday was from Prince solo without Apollonia 6.
I can't wait to hear this.

Reply #531 posted 05/23/19 4:04am

love2thenines2003

Thanx Joris !
Reply #532 posted 05/23/19 5:32am

love2thenines2003

And Gigolos.....would be one of the best trax & high point on the Album !

Jungle Love = different version

wink

Reply #533 posted 05/23/19 6:28am

sulls

JorisE73 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

mushmackalenta said: U said that as u already have heard the song...so ?


I was told by some traders I know that some high up collectors got a collection of samples some months ago from 'scary face you know who guy' of the Prince versions of the tracks that will be on Originals.
Some of them said they don't know if exactly those versions will be on Originals or different edit/versions.
If the tracks on Originals are differnt from those samples they got then that would mean that other versions of the songs are out there with traders or 'Elite' collectors.
And they said that the sample of Manic Monday was from Prince solo without Apollonia 6.
I can't wait to hear this.

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited

"I like to watch."
Reply #534 posted 05/23/19 6:49am

love2thenines2003

sulls said:

JorisE73 said:


I was told by some traders I know that some high up collectors got a collection of samples some months ago from 'scary face you know who guy' of the Prince versions of the tracks that will be on Originals.
Some of them said they don't know if exactly those versions will be on Originals or different edit/versions.
If the tracks on Originals are differnt from those samples they got then that would mean that other versions of the songs are out there with traders or 'Elite' collectors.
And they said that the sample of Manic Monday was from Prince solo without Apollonia 6.
I can't wait to hear this.

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited

i can confirm > Manic Monday on Originals...Prince lead vocal with background vocals by Susan & Brenda !!

[Edited 5/23/19 6:49am]

Reply #535 posted 05/23/19 6:49am

JorisE73

sulls said:

JorisE73 said:


I was told by some traders I know that some high up collectors got a collection of samples some months ago from 'scary face you know who guy' of the Prince versions of the tracks that will be on Originals.
Some of them said they don't know if exactly those versions will be on Originals or different edit/versions.
If the tracks on Originals are differnt from those samples they got then that would mean that other versions of the songs are out there with traders or 'Elite' collectors.
And they said that the sample of Manic Monday was from Prince solo without Apollonia 6.
I can't wait to hear this.

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited


Me too! I would be happy with just the samples that are going around now, even tho they might be different. The people I talked to said those samples were of the same quality as teh The Dance Electric sample that 'scary face you know who guy' made that leaked earlier this year, so if the quality on Originals is anything like that it's already better than PR Deluxe.

Reply #536 posted 05/23/19 6:52am

love2thenines2003

JorisE73 said:

sulls said:

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited


Me too! I would be happy with just the samples that are going around now, even tho they might be different. The people I talked to said those samples were of the same quality as teh The Dance Electric sample that 'scary face you know who guy' made that leaked earlier this year, so if the quality on Originals is anything like that it's already better than PR Deluxe.

Great quality sound for 90% of the trax .... light low quality for "Wouldn't..." & "Make-up" from what i heard !

Reply #537 posted 05/23/19 6:52am

JorisE73

love2thenines2003 said:

sulls said:

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited

i can confirm > Manic Monday on Originals...Prince lead vocal with background vocals by Susan & Brenda !!

[Edited 5/23/19 6:49am]


Awesome, that means that this track has no worth anymore for the 'Elite' collectors and could be dropped or leaked wink

Reply #538 posted 05/23/19 6:54am

JorisE73

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:


Me too! I would be happy with just the samples that are going around now, even tho they might be different. The people I talked to said those samples were of the same quality as teh The Dance Electric sample that 'scary face you know who guy' made that leaked earlier this year, so if the quality on Originals is anything like that it's already better than PR Deluxe.

Great quality sound for 90% of the trax .... light low quality for "Wouldn't..." & "Make-up" from what i heard !


Did they have any news about NC2U if it was different to the 7" single release?

Reply #539 posted 05/23/19 6:57am

soladeo1

love2thenines2003 said:

sulls said:

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited

i can confirm > Manic Monday on Originals...Prince lead vocal with background vocals by Susan & Brenda !!

[Edited 5/23/19 6:49am]

What else can you tell us???

Are the versions of SEX SHOOTER and JUNGLE LOVE fully fleshed out tracks? Or barebones demos?

Any shocking surprises?

Reply #540 posted 05/23/19 7:14am

LRC69

"You're My Love" is one highlight of the record. Very pop, very Fleetwood Mac style, remind me "Money Don't Matter 2night" or "Five Women".

And "Gigolos Get Lonely Too" is awesome.

"Wouldn't..." is a killer ! Very groovy, very addictive.

Reply #541 posted 05/23/19 7:22am

love2thenines2003

LRC69 said:

"You're My Love" is one highlight of the record. Very pop, very Fleetwood Mac style, remind me "Money Don't Matter 2night" or "Five Women".

And "Gigolos Get Lonely Too" is awesome.

"Wouldn't..." is a killer ! Very groovy, very addictive.

Wouldn't = 1981 era version ??

[Edited 5/23/19 7:25am]

Reply #542 posted 05/23/19 7:26am

LRC69

love2thenines2003 said:

LRC69 said:

"You're My Love" is one highlight of the record. Very pop, very Fleetwood Mac style, remind me "Money Don't Matter 2night" or "Five Women".

And "Gigolos Get Lonely Too" is awesome.

"Wouldn't..." is a killer ! Very groovy, very addictive.

Wouldn't = 1981 era version ??

[Edited 5/23/19 7:25am]

Absolutely not !

It's not this version, it's another one, previously unreleased, even in bootleg !

Reply #543 posted 05/23/19 7:30am

love2thenines2003

LRC69 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Wouldn't = 1981 era version ??

[Edited 5/23/19 7:25am]

Absolutely not !

It's not this version, it's another one, previously unreleased, even in bootleg !

Recorded when = 1981 /82 /87 ???

[Edited 5/23/19 8:23am]

Reply #544 posted 05/23/19 12:35pm

feeluupp

Here is a pic of the exclusive TARGET release with a new mix of NC2U

Reply #545 posted 05/23/19 1:02pm

massing

JorisE73 said:

sulls said:

OMG, ALREADY! I. CAN'T. WAIT. excited excited excited


Me too! I would be happy with just the samples that are going around now, even tho they might be different. The people I talked to said those samples were of the same quality as teh The Dance Electric sample that 'scary face you know who guy' made that leaked earlier this year, so if the quality on Originals is anything like that it's already better than PR Deluxe.

It frustrates the hell out of me that somebody out there has that version of The Dance Electric in such good quality and won't share it. I don't mean any any offence to that person, I'm sure they have their reasons and I know that nobody owes me anything. It would just be SO AMAZING to be able to listen to it. And my fear is that, since the other version of it was on PR Deluxe, the chances of it getting an official release anytime soon are virtually zero.

Reply #546 posted 05/23/19 1:18pm

IstenSzek

and so, the tension mounts cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #547 posted 05/23/19 2:20pm

BartVanHemelen

There's some heavy promo behind this, considering that Classic Pop puts it on the cover of their upcoming issue: https://www.facebook.com/...053003902/

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Reply #548 posted 05/23/19 4:28pm

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

There's some heavy promo behind this, considering that Classic Pop puts it on the cover of their upcoming issue: https://www.facebook.com/...053003902/

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Made a thread about it...

Reply #549 posted 05/23/19 4:40pm

POOK

IstenSzek said:

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!


actually, if you look at this in detail, there's quite a bit we don't have yet:

sex shooter
jungle love
manic monday
noon rendesvouz
make-up
you're my love
holly rock
gigolo's get lonely too


and the others we have in pretty shitty quality, so an upgrade is wonderful.





YEAH POOK NEVER HEAR THOSE EITHER

AND SONG POOK DO HAVE ARE TWENTY YEAR OLD AND IN LIKE THREE KAY

OLD BOOTLEG!

FROM PPML ERA


P o o |/,
P o o |\
Reply #550 posted 05/23/19 6:41pm

E319

feeluupp said:

Here is a pic of the exclusive TARGET release with a new mix of NC2U


 


 





Great. So now I have to cancel my Amazon pre-order and go get this one from the wrecka stow (aka Target). Hate when record companies play these games with exclusives tracks!
Reply #551 posted 05/23/19 11:13pm

LRC69

Embargo is over ! First french (and worldwide) reviews 4 "Originals" :

http://www.muziq.fr/origi...EaLrFjYu_A

http://www.funku.fr/2019/...EW12TPKaT4

Reply #552 posted 05/23/19 11:19pm

FragileUndertow

Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #553 posted 05/23/19 11:40pm

JorisE73

LRC69 said:

Embargo is over ! First french (and worldwide) reviews 4 "Originals" :

http://www.muziq.fr/origi...EaLrFjYu_A

http://www.funku.fr/2019/...EW12TPKaT4


Thanks!!! To bad they don't have the info on the bonus track.

Reply #554 posted 05/24/19 1:24am

SchlomoThaHomo

LRC69 said:



From what I could gather, these two reviews are quite glowing. It seems the only gripe so far is the sound quality on Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me. I’m even more desperate to hear Dear Michaelangelo now. drool3
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #555 posted 05/24/19 1:40am

Moonbeam

SchlomoThaHomo said:

LRC69 said:

Embargo is over ! First french (and worldwide) reviews 4 "Originals" :

http://www.muziq.fr/origi...EaLrFjYu_A

http://www.funku.fr/2019/...EW12TPKaT4

From what I could gather, these two reviews are quite glowing. It seems the only gripe so far is the sound quality on Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me. I’m even more desperate to hear Dear Michaelangelo now. drool3

I agree with your take. My limited French helped me a little. Google translate did the rest. It seems "Noon Rendezvous", "Make-Up" and "Gigolos Are Lonely Too" are all very well received. "Love Thy Will Be Done" seems to be the same version that has been on bootlegs for decades, but "Baby You're a Trip" seems like it has a little bit of "Mia Bocca" toward the end. It sounds like "Holly Rock" really slams. Also, apparently Jill Jones takes the chorus of "Manic Monday".

Very excited to hear this!

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Reply #556 posted 05/24/19 2:44am

JorisE73

massing said:

JorisE73 said:


Me too! I would be happy with just the samples that are going around now, even tho they might be different. The people I talked to said those samples were of the same quality as teh The Dance Electric sample that 'scary face you know who guy' made that leaked earlier this year, so if the quality on Originals is anything like that it's already better than PR Deluxe.

It frustrates the hell out of me that somebody out there has that version of The Dance Electric in such good quality and won't share it. I don't mean any any offence to that person, I'm sure they have their reasons and I know that nobody owes me anything. It would just be SO AMAZING to be able to listen to it. And my fear is that, since the other version of it was on PR Deluxe, the chances of it getting an official release anytime soon are virtually zero.


It blew me away when I forst heared that sample because I thought that version was lost (this was according to Andre Cymone and Wendy and Lisa) but knowing that it is out there or even that it is in the vault make me happy. Maybe whenever The Estate gets there act togheter they will eventually do proper archival releases with everything from album sessions, that would include outtakes like The Dance Electric.
But it also frustrates me that these things are being held back by these 'Elite' collectors. But they probably have good reasons.

Reply #557 posted 05/24/19 3:03am

BartVanHemelen

Kinda sad when you think about the missed opportunities with this release. If a fan wants to buy the versions as released by those artists, they need to spend a lot of time and money on tracking down those recordings. In a way this album is almost a sampler for a series of releases, i.e. expanded editions of those associate records which would include the "Prince versions" where available. But that series isn't coming any time soon (unless the estate pulls a massive rabbit out of their hats).

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Reply #558 posted 05/24/19 3:12am

BartVanHemelen

LRC69 said:

Embargo is over ! First french (and worldwide) reviews 4 "Originals" :

http://www.muziq.fr/origi...EaLrFjYu_A

http://www.funku.fr/2019/...EW12TPKaT4

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From the first:

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Original version: Sinead O'Connor, "I Do not Want What I Have Not Got", Ensign, 1990.

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The guy points to PrinceVault numerous times, and yet this gets included? Or wait, is that how the album presents it?

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Reply #559 posted 05/24/19 3:42am

Apollo85

God forbid we get any kind of single release before the release of the actual album.

Reply #560 posted 05/24/19 4:14am

TheEnglishGent

Apollo85 said:

God forbid we get any kind of single release before the release of the actual album.

Isn't it a Tidal exclusive for the first 14 days? Unless they do a promotional single I doubt we'll see one anywhere else. Unless you count Nothing Compares 2 U, which I guess is technically a single release from this album.

RIP sad
Reply #561 posted 05/24/19 4:21am

JorisE73

BartVanHemelen said:

Kinda sad when you think about the missed opportunities with this release. If a fan wants to buy the versions as released by those artists, they need to spend a lot of time and money on tracking down those recordings. In a way this album is almost a sampler for a series of releases, i.e. expanded editions of those associate records which would include the "Prince versions" where available. But that series isn't coming any time soon (unless the estate pulls a massive rabbit out of their hats).


This release should have only included one-off songs given to artists, like the Kenny Rogers song.
Like they should have included Prince's versions of With This Tear and leave The Time, Vanity 6, Appolonia 6, SHeila E. songs for remastres/expanded edition of those albums.

Reply #562 posted 05/24/19 4:22am

love2thenines2003

Third Review (FRENCH) ....one more.....Very positive ! (thanx 2 Raphy)

http://www.schkopi.com/in...the-vault/

biggrin

Reply #563 posted 05/24/19 4:41am

IstenSzek

i wonder if we'll get to hear part of it this weekend hmmm


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #564 posted 05/24/19 4:48am

LRC69

IstenSzek said:

i wonder if we'll get to hear part of it this weekend hmmm


I doubt...


There is no advance copy, it was a listening session organised by Warner in Paris, all day yesterday, with press, managers from record stores, etc.

Reply #565 posted 05/24/19 4:51am

IstenSzek

LRC69 said:

IstenSzek said:

i wonder if we'll get to hear part of it this weekend hmmm


I doubt...


There is no advance copy, it was a listening session organised by Warner in Paris, all day yesterday, with press, managers from record stores, etc.


aaah, ok, i see. well, that's probably for the best. it'll be nice to listen to a new release
without having heard leaks before.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #566 posted 05/24/19 7:01am

alberto20

Sex Shooter
April 1983. Kiowa Trail Home Studio in Chanhassen, MN.
Jungle Love
March 1983. Sunset Sound of Los Angeles, with Jesse Johnson on guitar. Morris Day, Jesse Johnson and Jill Jones in the choirs.
Manic Monday
February 1984. Sunset Sound of Los Angeles. Brenda Bennett and Jill Jones in the
Noon Rendezvous Choirs
February 1984. Sunset Sound of Los Angeles.
Make Up
Summer 1981. Kiowa Trail Home Studio in Chanhassen, MN.
100 MPH
June 1984. Flying Cloud Warehouse Drive, Eden Prairie, MN.
You're My Love
March 1982. Kiowa Trail Home Studio in Chanhassen, MN.
Holly Rock
April 1985. Sunset Sound of Los Angeles. Percussion and choirs by Sheila E. Eddie Mininfield on
Baby saxophone , You're A Trip
July 1982. Sunset Sound, Los Angeles. Jill Jones in
The Glamorous Life Choruses
December 1983. Sunset Sound of Los Angeles. David Coleman on cello and Larry Williams on Sax
Gigolos Get Lonely Too
January 1982. Sunset Sound of Los Angeles. Drum by Morris Day and Jesse Johnson on
Love Guitar ... Thy Will Be Done
January 1991. Paisley Park, Chanhassen, MN.
Dear Michelangelo
January 1985. Mastersound, Atlanta. Percussion and choir by Sheila E. Eddie Mininfield on saxophone
Would not You Love To Love Me?
June 1981. Sound Recorders of Los Angeles.
Nothing Compares 2 U
July 1984. Flying Cloud Warehouse Drive, Eden Prairie, MN. Eric Leeds on saxophone

Reply #567 posted 05/24/19 7:25am

lurker316

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Sorry if this was already answered earlier in this thread...

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Do we know what the "cinematic version" of NC2U is? Is it the complilation video that was released at the time of the single?

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Reply #568 posted 05/24/19 10:24am

dustoff

lurker316 said:

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Sorry if this was already answered earlier in this thread...

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Do we know what the "cinematic version" of NC2U is? Is it the complilation video that was released at the time of the single?

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We don't know yet.

Reply #569 posted 05/24/19 3:12pm

Rimshottbob

So according to my friendly local record store owner in the UK, there are two (vinyl) versions of this...

the 'standard' black vinyl 2LP, which will be £28.99,

and the Deluxe Edition, which will be 2 180gm coloured vinyl pieces and the album on CD, plus also a book with photos and interviews and info on the tracks. This will retail at £48.99.

Just as with Piano And A Microphone, I plumped for the standard edition for my order.

I'm not spending 50 quid on one album, just to get some picture book... I'd rather have black vinyl anyway and I don't care about having the album on CD.... and this price gouging is just getting insulting now.... £48.99!!!!!! What?

Glad they are releasing a standard black vinyl version, but even that is overpriced at £28.99.

Ah well.... it had better sound effing good, like the recent Sony reissues do, or there will be trouble!

Reply #570 posted 05/24/19 5:20pm

OnlyNDaUsa

Nothing Compares 2 U
July 1984. Flying Cloud Warehouse Drive, Eden Prairie, MN. Eric Leeds on saxophone


Notice it says nothing about Paul or Susannah.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #571 posted 05/25/19 2:31am

TheFreakerFantastic

This release sounds very exciting! Really looking forward to it.

I just hope that the Baby You're A Trip has the passionate screams and vocals from the bootleg 81/82 version, but the track length looks like the same as on the JJ album in 1987. Just hope this is the earlier version with the same passion in the vocals, or maybe it's a whole other version we haven't heard - it's one of my all time favourite Prince songs so fingers crossed!

Curious to hear You're My Love, sounds cool and I bet Prince's version of Sex Shooter is funky as hell!

[Edited 5/25/19 2:32am]

Reply #572 posted 05/25/19 2:20pm

TheEnglishGent

Rimshottbob said:

So according to my friendly local record store owner in the UK, there are two (vinyl) versions of this...

the 'standard' black vinyl 2LP, which will be £28.99,

and the Deluxe Edition, which will be 2 180gm coloured vinyl pieces and the album on CD, plus also a book with photos and interviews and info on the tracks. This will retail at £48.99.

Just as with Piano And A Microphone, I plumped for the standard edition for my order.

I'm not spending 50 quid on one album, just to get some picture book... I'd rather have black vinyl anyway and I don't care about having the album on CD.... and this price gouging is just getting insulting now.... £48.99!!!!!! What?

Glad they are releasing a standard black vinyl version, but even that is overpriced at £28.99.

Ah well.... it had better sound effing good, like the recent Sony reissues do, or there will be trouble!


Pisses me off that you can only buy the book with a package containing vinyl too. I have absolutely no need for vinyl but would spend extra money on a cd + book package. They surely lose money with this sort of sellng strategy.

RIP sad
Reply #573 posted 05/25/19 3:37pm

Rimshottbob

I guess there may be a deluxe CD version too, that has the book and all the kerfuffle? I don't buy CDs anymore unless there's no other option, so I didn't ask about that. It's possible I guess.

TheEnglishGent said:

Rimshottbob said:

So according to my friendly local record store owner in the UK, there are two (vinyl) versions of this...

the 'standard' black vinyl 2LP, which will be £28.99,

and the Deluxe Edition, which will be 2 180gm coloured vinyl pieces and the album on CD, plus also a book with photos and interviews and info on the tracks. This will retail at £48.99.

Just as with Piano And A Microphone, I plumped for the standard edition for my order.

I'm not spending 50 quid on one album, just to get some picture book... I'd rather have black vinyl anyway and I don't care about having the album on CD.... and this price gouging is just getting insulting now.... £48.99!!!!!! What?

Glad they are releasing a standard black vinyl version, but even that is overpriced at £28.99.

Ah well.... it had better sound effing good, like the recent Sony reissues do, or there will be trouble!


Pisses me off that you can only buy the book with a package containing vinyl too. I have absolutely no need for vinyl but would spend extra money on a cd + book package. They surely lose money with this sort of sellng strategy.

Reply #574 posted 05/26/19 12:29am

BartVanHemelen

Rimshottbob said:

I guess there may be a deluxe CD version too

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Have you tried reading the press release etc. that was released weeks ago? Or were you too busy making up stuff.

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Reply #575 posted 05/26/19 12:31am

BartVanHemelen

Rimshottbob said:

and the Deluxe Edition, which will be 2 180gm coloured vinyl pieces and the album on CD, plus also a book with photos and interviews and info on the tracks. This will retail at £48.99.

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So far info about the contents of the standard CD release have been rather vague. I sure hope not that once again only those paying stupid money for the deluxe set get proper liner notes. At least the last time we knew in advance.

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Reply #576 posted 05/27/19 5:27pm

djThunderfunk

Liner notes should ALWAYS be standard for the regular CD version. It's gross when they use them as an "exclusive" only to be included with the Deluxe Edition.

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Reply #577 posted 05/27/19 9:58pm

urvile

Hey Bart! Just wanted to hi, looking forward to this new collection!

Reply #578 posted 05/28/19 3:55am

OnlyNDaUsa

The Liner notes issue: I am pretty sure this has been an issue for many release for decades...I rememeber how few of my tapes had lyrics when the LPs did.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #579 posted 05/28/19 5:32am

djThunderfunk

OnlyNDaUsa said:

The Liner notes issue: I am pretty sure this has been an issue for many release for decades...I rememeber how few of my tapes had lyrics when the LPs did.


Well I had hundreds of tapes that DID have lyrics, and hundreds of LPs that DID NOT have lyrics... still have a lot of them. That's not the point.

The point is that liner notes and lyrics should be in EVERY release. An extra picture booklet for a deluxe edition makes sense, but lyrics and liner notes should be standard.

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Reply #580 posted 05/28/19 5:42am

TheEnglishGent

djThunderfunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

The Liner notes issue: I am pretty sure this has been an issue for many release for decades...I rememeber how few of my tapes had lyrics when the LPs did.


Well I had hundreds of tapes that DID have lyrics, and hundreds of LPs that DID NOT have lyrics... still have a lot of them. That's not the point.

The point is that liner notes and lyrics should be in EVERY release. An extra picture booklet for a deluxe edition makes sense, but lyrics and liner notes should be standard.

A high percentage of my tapes also had liner lyrics/notes etc.

Completely agree that the notes should be standard.

RIP sad
Reply #581 posted 05/28/19 8:48am

TrevorAyer

hey remember when tapes had more songs on them than on the records ... sometimes even more than the cds .. good times!

on the other hand .. sometimes tapes come with zilch for liner notes

Reply #582 posted 05/28/19 8:49am

Cinny

I ended up buying the standard CD of "Piano & A Microphone 1983" while I WAITED for my deluxe edition to materialize. neutral

I am ready to sign up to TIDAL next week for that in-between time. neutral

Reply #583 posted 05/28/19 9:12pm

WhisperingDandelions

All this time we thought Prince was pulling his music from streaming sites because he wanted the world to respect his music's intrinsic monetary value, now I get it, he probably just wanted everyone to pay for them sleek & glossy liner notes.

Reply #584 posted 05/29/19 6:48am

antonb

All gone abit quiet these last few days. Thought we might see some new reviews coming up this week. Only about a week to go. Let's be thrown a little more bone please estate.
Reply #585 posted 05/29/19 7:00am

dustoff

Here's something, but it's not much. (Tidal to host release parties on June 6.)

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/jay-z-and-tidal-to-host-release-events-for-princes-originals-album-1203227567/

Reply #586 posted 05/29/19 7:03am

antonb

No but still thanks for showing the link.Keep coming on here looking for new news!
Reply #587 posted 05/29/19 7:47am

luv4u

Moderator

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Jay-Z Plots Tidal Listening Party for New Prince LP ‘Originals’


MAY 29, 2019 8:17AM EDT


Jay-Z will host a listening party for the upcoming posthumous Prince LP, Originals, during a June 6th Tidal event in Los Angeles. The streaming service will also offer its members the chance to attend celebrations elsewhere in the U.S., along with Spain, Poland, Brazil and other countries.


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Reply #588 posted 05/29/19 9:42am

Romeoblu

The album is now showing as a Pre save album on tidak's home page.

I'm really looking forward to hearing it. I'm starving myself of Prince until the release. The waiting is getting difficult.
Reply #589 posted 05/29/19 9:49am

Empress

I'll be waiting for the physical cd to be released. Nothing like going to the record store and buying a "new" Prince cd! Can't wait!
Reply #590 posted 05/29/19 11:01am

PURPLEIZED3121

NY Times - Next Out of Prince’s Vaults: The Hits He Gave Away. [excellent article & Interviews]

By Gavin Edwards. May 29th 2019.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...artner=rss

Excert:

Questlove, the drummer for the Roots who has a side career as a D.J. specializing in Prince tracks, is eagerly awaiting the arrival of “Originals,” a collection of 15 demos “the Purple One” made for songs that he gave away to other artists — fascinating rough drafts of genius for a supremely polished musician. But he admitted to having mixed feelings.

Reply #591 posted 05/29/19 12:02pm

BartVanHemelen

There is one outlier, from 1991: the haunting “Love … Thy Will Be Done,” first released by Martika. Jay-Z pushed for it, Carter said: “Jay was listening with our archivist on the treasure hunt and chiming in on specific songs that he would love to hear.”

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Well, now we know who to blame for that idiotic decision.

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Also, fucking Jay-Z gets to listen to unreleased stuff???

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Reply #592 posted 05/29/19 12:10pm

Strive

BartVanHemelen said:

There is one outlier, from 1991: the haunting “Love … Thy Will Be Done,” first released by Martika. Jay-Z pushed for it, Carter said: “Jay was listening with our archivist on the treasure hunt and chiming in on specific songs that he would love to hear.”

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Well, now we know who to blame for that idiotic decision.

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Also, fucking Jay-Z gets to listen to unreleased stuff???


I wouldn't call that an idiotic decision. The song is good.

It's also interesting that Jay-Z was actually working with Troy instead of the rumored "here's a tracklist of potential songs, which ones will make the final cut Jay?" arrangment that was originally rumored.

edit:




Jill Jones, also musically and romantically involved with Prince during these years, described that skill as a double-edged sword: “On some level that could be great, and on another level it could be disturbing, a little claustrophobic.” As she summarized it: “He thought he could be a better woman than you could.”


lol

[Edited 5/29/19 12:19pm]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #593 posted 05/29/19 12:12pm

feeluupp

D7vpO0MU8AAE1Kg.jpg:large

[Edited 5/29/19 12:13pm]

Reply #594 posted 05/29/19 2:28pm

BartVanHemelen

Strive said:


I wouldn't call that an idiotic decision. The song is good.

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Sure, but it doesn't belong on a compilation that focuses on 1981-1985.

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Though I'm curious who is to blame for the inclusion of a crap sounding "Wouldn't You Love To Love Me?".

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Reply #595 posted 05/29/19 2:35pm

starkitty

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

NY Times - Next Out of Prince’s Vaults: The Hits He Gave Away. [excellent article & Interviews]



By Gavin Edwards. May 29th 2019.


 


https://www.nytimes.com/2...artner=rss


 





Sooo... we know this is false:

“I had left, and Sandy had left,” Melvoin said. “He was so sensitive to longing and need, if you were his lover and he loved you and you weren’t there, it would compel him to go into the studio because that was the only way he could service those emotions.”

Melvoin didn’t save any physical memorabilia from her time with Prince — but she has the song. “He wasn’t a guy who would pick up the phone and say, ‘Hey, don’t go to L.A., I’m going to miss you,’” she said. “He would write ‘Nothing Compares 2 U.’”

Because we know she auctioned plenty of memorabilia.

Reply #596 posted 05/29/19 2:40pm

starkitty

WHY IS THAT SHOWING ALL AS ONE BLOCK QUOTE AND WHY IS IT SO HARD TO EDIT ON THIS FUCKING BOARD IT'S NOT THE 90s
Reply #597 posted 05/29/19 3:09pm

onlyforaminute

starkitty said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

NY Times - Next Out of Prince’s Vaults: The Hits He Gave Away. [excellent article & Interviews]



By Gavin Edwards. May 29th 2019.


 


https://www.nytimes.com/2...artner=rss


 





Sooo... we know this is false:

“I had left, and Sandy had left,” Melvoin said. “He was so sensitive to longing and need, if you were his lover and he loved you and you weren’t there, it would compel him to go into the studio because that was the only way he could service those emotions.”

Melvoin didn’t save any physical memorabilia from her time with Prince — but she has the song. “He wasn’t a guy who would pick up the phone and say, ‘Hey, don’t go to L.A., I’m going to miss you,’” she said. “He would write ‘Nothing Compares 2 U.’”

Because we know she auctioned plenty of memorabilia.






It's called spin? shrug
Year of Return 2019
Reply #598 posted 05/29/19 3:18pm

gandorb

This finally seems to be
getting the kind of organized promotional push that has been missing on the posthumous releases up till now: Listening parties, streaming exclusives, Target specials, NYT articles, magazine cover articles, and I imagine more to come. It is always
good to have several companies invested in the release doing well.I am really looking forward to this.
Reply #599 posted 05/29/19 3:37pm

massing

From the article:

He’s pleased that there’s more material in Prince’s vaults than he realized, but sad that one day it’ll be depleted.

The way things have been going, I don't think he needs to worry too much.

[Edited 5/29/19 15:39pm]

Reply #600 posted 05/29/19 4:37pm

SchlomoThaHomo

BartVanHemelen said:


There is one outlier, from 1991: the haunting “Love … Thy Will Be Done,” first released by Martika. Jay-Z pushed for it, Carter said: “Jay was listening with our archivist on the treasure hunt and chiming in on specific songs that he would love to hear.”



.


Well, now we know who to blame for that idiotic decision.


.


Also, fucking Jay-Z gets to listen to unreleased stuff???



It was mentioned at the beginning that Jay-Z would help curate the project. And I’m certainly not mad to be getting Prince’s version of one of his all-time best songs on an official release. Even if it is from a different era than the rest.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #601 posted 05/29/19 4:41pm

mbdtyler

massing said:

From the article:

He’s pleased that there’s more material in Prince’s vaults than he realized, but sad that one day it’ll be depleted.

The way things have been going, I don't think he needs to worry too much.

[Edited 5/29/19 15:39pm]

My thoughts exactly lol At least he'll probably get to hear most of it within his lifetime, with his celeb-fanboy privileges. If only the rest of us were so lucky.

Reply #602 posted 05/29/19 4:45pm

Moonbeam

Questlove always comes off pretty badly, IMO, when talking about this stuff, acting like he speaks for the fans or feeling sad that his exclusive bootlegs aren't so exclusive anymore.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #603 posted 05/29/19 4:48pm

SchlomoThaHomo

Moonbeam said:

Questlove always comes off pretty badly, IMO, when talking about this stuff, acting like he speaks for the fans or feeling sad that his exclusive bootlegs aren't so exclusive anymore.



I thought he’s been sounding like a dick since he basically said Prince’s albums starting with Lovesexy haven’t been up to par. He doesn’t speak for shit in Prince world as far as I’m concerned.
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #604 posted 05/29/19 4:52pm

Moonbeam

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Moonbeam said:

Questlove always comes off pretty badly, IMO, when talking about this stuff, acting like he speaks for the fans or feeling sad that his exclusive bootlegs aren't so exclusive anymore.

I thought he’s been sounding like a dick since he basically said Prince’s albums starting with Lovesexy haven’t been up to par. He doesn’t speak for shit in Prince world as far as I’m concerned.


Yeah, that was whack, as was his attempt to try to explain Prince through a hip hop lens.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #605 posted 05/29/19 6:38pm

mnfriend

‘Sex Shooter’ sung by Prince??
yes xmas
Reply #606 posted 05/29/19 7:24pm

rdhull

mnfriend said:

‘Sex Shooter’ sung by Prince??
yes xmas

Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise
c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #607 posted 05/29/19 7:41pm

Transformed1

rdhull said:

mnfriend said:
‘Sex Shooter’ sung by Prince?? yes xmas
Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise

I always thought so too.

Reply #608 posted 05/29/19 8:57pm

Kobe

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Originals

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #609 posted 05/29/19 9:20pm

rdhull

Kobe said:

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Originals

lol

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #610 posted 05/29/19 11:07pm

Urine

Hoping to read some reviews soon.

I bet The Violet Reality have a review soon, they normally have all the scoops.
Reply #611 posted 05/30/19 4:55am

OperatingThetan

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Moonbeam said:

Questlove always comes off pretty badly, IMO, when talking about this stuff, acting like he speaks for the fans or feeling sad that his exclusive bootlegs aren't so exclusive anymore.



I thought he’s been sounding like a dick since he basically said Prince’s albums starting with Lovesexy haven’t been up to par. He doesn’t speak for shit in Prince world as far as I’m concerned.


Agreed. His largely self-appointed standing as a Princeologist doesn't mean shit to me.

Just about everything about Questlove is overrated in my opinion.
Reply #612 posted 05/30/19 7:48am

rusty1

OperatingThetan said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:



I thought he’s been sounding like a dick since he basically said Prince’s albums starting with Lovesexy haven’t been up to par. He doesn’t speak for shit in Prince world as far as I’m concerned.


Agreed. His largely self-appointed standing as a Princeologist doesn't mean shit to me.

Just about everything about Questlove is overrated in my opinion.


Prince put out good stuff but was very inconsistant after 1988.
He was a trend setter from 1980 to 87.
That time period is what would make him a legend forever.
His creation of the Minneapolis sound influenced a lot
of people in the mid 80's.
From 1989 onward, Prince started to follow the trends.
There were a lot of half baked albums as well as that
name change which became a distraction from his music.
He had some solid albums that were respectable but nowhere
near the heights of a "Purple Rain,1999,Sign o'the Times etc
This is just my opinion of course:)
When i listen to his music,in my car,
i will go to his classic period
[Edited 5/30/19 7:49am]
BOB4theFUNK
Reply #613 posted 05/30/19 8:37am

BartVanHemelen

From the June 2019 issue of Classic Pop:

.

Last November, the Prince estate released his original version of “Nothing Compares 2 U” as a standalone single: the video, of Prince dancing in the studio, notched up eight million views almost immediately. Expanding the idea into a full album of the songs Prince wrote for others seemed an obvious move. As the archivist for Prince’s estate, Michael Howe is the man responsible for cataloguing Prince’s vast array of unreleased music. Working alongside the estate’s entertainment advisor Troy Carter and creative director Trevor Guy, Michael compiled Originals. “Prince was a creative titan,” says Michael. “On Originals, you see his general ability — not just as a performer, but also in production, arranging, writing. We’re focusing on songs that are particularly interesting, either because they were substantial hits for other artists and are relatively familiar, or it’s a little less obvious and showcases another side of Prince’s artistry unfamiliar to anybody bar the most ardent fans.”

.

Michael cites “You’re My Love”, a lounge ballad written in 1982 for country icon Kenny Rogers, as a prime example of just how diverse Prince’s talents were. “You’re My Love is a very un-Prince-like proposition,” Michael laughs. “But it’s so interesting to hear him do something that’s basically a Holiday Inn lounge vibe. It’s a peek into an area of Prince’s artistry most people probably didn’t know even existed.”

.

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Reply #614 posted 05/30/19 10:18am

sulls

Moonbeam said:

Questlove always comes off pretty badly, IMO, when talking about this stuff, acting like he speaks for the fans or feeling sad that his exclusive bootlegs aren't so exclusive anymore.

To play on 'New Power Day': "Yo, Quest! You outta let me haaaaaave fifty boot joints, maaan".

"I like to watch."
Reply #615 posted 05/30/19 10:34am

jjam

So, it looks like the EU CD release at least will have a 12 page booklet...

https://www.fnac.com/a134...earchpos=1

[Edited 5/30/19 10:34am]

Reply #616 posted 05/30/19 11:04am

violetcrush

rusty1 said:

OperatingThetan said:



Agreed. His largely self-appointed standing as a Princeologist doesn't mean shit to me.

Just about everything about Questlove is overrated in my opinion.


Prince put out good stuff but was very inconsistant after 1988.
He was a trend setter from 1980 to 87.
That time period is what would make him a legend forever.
His creation of the Minneapolis sound influenced a lot
of people in the mid 80's.
From 1989 onward, Prince started to follow the trends.
There were a lot of half baked albums as well as that
name change which became a distraction from his music.
He had some solid albums that were respectable but nowhere
near the heights of a "Purple Rain,1999,Sign o'the Times etc
This is just my opinion of course:)
When i listen to his music,in my car,
i will go to his classic period
[Edited 5/30/19 7:49am]

I agree with your opinion. The 80’s were Prince’s most prolific years and he was the trendsetter. The 90’s were such a struggle for him, but he did have some great music throughout the decade - when he wasn’t trying to incorporate Rap and HipHop. I like many of his 90’s songs, but many more from the 80’s.
Reply #617 posted 05/30/19 12:25pm

BartVanHemelen

jjam said:

So, it looks like the EU CD release at least will have a 12 page booklet...

https://www.fnac.com/a134...earchpos=1

[Edited 5/30/19 10:34am]

.

I hope so, because I've yet again read a description that suggests only the Deluxe edition gets a booklet with essays by Peggy M and JJ etc.

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Reply #618 posted 05/30/19 12:31pm

mnfriend

Transformed1 said:

 



rdhull said:


mnfriend said:
‘Sex Shooter’ sung by Prince?? yes xmas

Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise

 


I always thought so too.




[Bridge]
No girls body can compete with mine
No girls rap can top my lines
No girls kiss can ring your chimes
Come on boy lets make some time
Reply #619 posted 05/30/19 12:40pm

violetcrush

mnfriend said:

Transformed1 said:

 



rdhull said:


mnfriend said:
‘Sex Shooter’ sung by Prince?? yes xmas

Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise

 


I always thought so too.




[Bridge]
No girls body can compete with mine
No girls rap can top my lines
No girls kiss can ring your chimes
Come on boy lets make some time

Always meant for a female to sing. Written for Vanity 6, but surely he used his female energy for lyrical inspiration biggrin
Reply #620 posted 05/30/19 12:55pm

rdhull

mnfriend said:

Transformed1 said:

 



rdhull said:


mnfriend said:
‘Sex Shooter’ sung by Prince?? yes xmas

Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise

 


I always thought so too.




[Bridge]
No girls body can compete with mine
No girls rap can top my lines
No girls kiss can ring your chimes
Come on boy lets make some time


Ha.. didn’t consider those lyrics, just the main chorus of being a sex shooter shooting love in your direction aka his dick etc... maybe he will change the pronouns gender wise in the bridge
c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #621 posted 05/30/19 3:54pm

RodeoSchro

Tidal is sponsoring a Release Event Giveaway. You have to be a Tidal subscriber:


Attend a historical celebration of Prince’s album release

TIDAL is hosting a celebration in Los Angeles, CA on the eve of June 7th for the launch of ‘Originals,’ and you have a chance to attend alongside special guests.


Live outside the LA area? One grand-prize winner and their plus one will receive free travel and lodging

Submit a TIDAL playlist of some of your favorite Prince tracks for a chance to attend our exclusive 'Originals' celebration.

You're Invited

Submit a playlist of your favorite Prince tracks for a chance win. 🙌

How to submit a playlist:

  1. Create a playlist featuring at least 10 of your favorite Prince tracks

  2. Find your playlist under "My Collection"

  3. Hit share, grab the link, and submit

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's Palladin
Reply #622 posted 05/30/19 4:45pm

mnfriend

Also, Tidal is offering a 30 day trial for current non Tidal people.

I am not a Tidal person, just went there for the first time.

Yes, I’m an impatient bugger, but let’s see if I can wait for a CD or June whatever.

‘Sex Shooter’ 1984 Mpls I was 17, if you know what I mean it was being played.
Reply #623 posted 05/30/19 5:01pm

mnfriend

Ah, just heard off utube (rin tin tin sound off free utube, I call it)
But anyway
Vanity & Prince ‘Sex Shooter’ ( Unreleased Version )
and it was nearly the same song except extended at the end Prince coming in for a little chorus.

The song is and will always be unique pure high charged Prince weaving his spell-

Looking forward to a new Prince release——
Reply #624 posted 05/30/19 7:38pm

gandorb

mnfriend said:

Also, Tidal is offering a 30 day trial for current non Tidal people. I am not a Tidal person, just went there for the first time. Yes, I’m an impatient bugger, but let’s see if I can wait for a CD or June whatever. ‘Sex Shooter’ 1984 Mpls I was 17, if you know what I mean it was being played.

I am wondering if they are advertising so much about this due in part trying to capitalize on their exclusive release, especially Prince fans. I was just briefly a member but when I realized I could download the few remaining Prince releases I didn't have without being a member, I quickly stopped the membership. Haven't heard from them since then until they sent me an email about the 30 day trial and other offers. The timing didn't seem coincidental.

[Edited 5/30/19 19:38pm]

Reply #625 posted 05/30/19 8:18pm

mnfriend

Well, I think it’s clever good marketing.

Release party live/ cool. 2 weeks b4 Warner Bro. Great.

I am tripping down MN memory lane in the 80’s.

That Vanity 6 w/ Dez someone mentioned a 2nd album in the vaults and this release ‘Originals’ I think it’s going to be special. It was the ‘Time’ wink
Sure was a blast dancing in the clubs!
Reply #626 posted 05/31/19 7:26am

bonatoc

Transformed1 said:

rdhull said:

mnfriend said: Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise

I always thought so too.


Some women can shoot too.
Maybe you need to go out more.

Besides, ever heard of poetic license? biggrin


[Edited 5/31/19 7:30am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #627 posted 05/31/19 7:52am

violetcrush

bonatoc said:

 



Transformed1 said:


 



rdhull said:


mnfriend said: Yeah, now the lyrics will make sense gender-wise

 


I always thought so too.




Some women can shoot too.
Maybe you need to go out more.

Besides, ever heard of poetic license?  biggrin


[Edited 5/31/19 7:30am]



And females have the “Vulva splash”... biggrin There was a discussion about that lyric on a recent thread smile
Reply #628 posted 05/31/19 3:35pm

BartVanHemelen

UK music monthly Mojo will have a review in their upcoming August 2019 issue.

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Reply #629 posted 05/31/19 3:43pm

OnlyNDaUsa

So I got the 90 trial of Tidal and I do like the set up... very much. Both on PC and Phone... the sound is good too... but I am not going to keep it. (after the 21st it will be on my Amazon anyway)

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #630 posted 05/31/19 6:09pm

mnfriend

To whom it may concern:
I did not have any questions on ‘Sex Shooter’ my handle ‘mnfriend’ is misquoted above.
I was the one who posted the correct lyrics, only.
No interest in discussing personal male female what ifs and how to, no thank you.
Reply #631 posted 05/31/19 8:38pm

mnfriend

mnfriend said:

To whom it may concern:
I did not have any questions on ‘Sex Shooter’ my handle ‘mnfriend’ is misquoted above.
I was the one who posted the correct lyrics, only.
No interest in discussing personal male female what ifs and how to, no thank you.



I mean, do you think I’m a ‘Nasty Girl’ ?

razz
Reply #632 posted 05/31/19 11:45pm

love2thenines2003

mnfriend said:

Well, I think it’s clever good marketing. Release party live/ cool. 2 weeks b4 Warner Bro. Great. I am tripping down MN memory lane in the 80’s. That Vanity 6 w/ Dez someone mentioned a 2nd album in the vaults and this release ‘Originals’ I think it’s going to be special. It was the ‘Time’ wink Sure was a blast dancing in the clubs!

Question ?

A second album of what ???

thanx

Reply #633 posted 06/01/19 10:04am

BartVanHemelen

Italian music and cinema monthly Rockerilla has Prince on the cover of its next edition. The magazine will contain a review of the album, and an article exploring unreleased projects: https://www.rockerilla.co...2019.html

.

https://www.facebook.com/...746091266/

.

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Reply #634 posted 06/01/19 11:35am

violetcrush

BartVanHemelen said:

Italian music and cinema monthly Rockerilla has Prince on the cover of its next edition. The magazine will contain a review of the album, and an article exploring unreleased projects: https://www.rockerilla.com/shop/it/2019/270-rockerilla-466-giugno-2019.html


.


https://www.facebook.com/97386151265/photos/a.419140816265/10155864746091266/


.


Susannah Melvoin posted that she has been doing interviews for this release, and she is involved in the picture display/mural of Prince at the WB location in LA.
Reply #635 posted 06/01/19 12:10pm

mnfriend

love2thenines2003 said:

 



mnfriend said:


Well, I think it’s clever good marketing. Release party live/ cool. 2 weeks b4 Warner Bro. Great. I am tripping down MN memory lane in the 80’s. That Vanity 6 w/ Dez someone mentioned a 2nd album in the vaults and this release ‘Originals’ I think it’s going to be special. It was the ‘Time’ wink Sure was a blast dancing in the clubs!

 


 


Question ?


 


A second album of what ???


 


thanx


 


 



Sorry, I believe I misread something online/ Prince vault online about there being more from Vanity.
I am not an expert on these recordings, rather some of these songs became imprinted on me in my MN youth of the 80’s.
I think I’ve said enough on the Prince.org
Thanks Jay Z for giving an ear it’s indescribable any further from me.
Reply #636 posted 06/01/19 1:12pm

jfenster

why isnt The Sex of It on here???

Reply #637 posted 06/01/19 1:36pm

pricetag

jfenster said:

why isnt The Sex of It on here???

Pointless question. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.

Reply #638 posted 06/01/19 1:48pm

love2thenines2003

pricetag said:

jfenster said:

why isnt The Sex of It on here???

Pointless question. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.

Exact

Reply #639 posted 06/02/19 2:55pm

lust

jfenster said:

why isnt The Sex of It on here???




It’s on there as one of the hidden tracks apparently!
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #640 posted 06/02/19 3:07pm

IstenSzek

lust said:

jfenster said:

why isnt The Sex of It on here???

It’s on there as one of the hidden tracks apparently!


all will be revealed in the 319 page ultra deluxe edition liner notes smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #641 posted 06/02/19 6:26pm

rdhull

jfenster said:

why isnt The Sex of It on here???

Just to piss you off.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #642 posted 06/03/19 10:54am

TheFreakerFantastic

Here is a little taster of (probably) what to expect on Sex Shooter, I posted this a few years ago, sounds funky as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqOfMVEA-A

The last part of counting to 8 is funky and Prince's voice is prominent there!

My post:

https://prince.org/msg/5/443379?&pg=1

[Edited 6/3/19 10:56am]

Reply #643 posted 06/03/19 11:32am

soladeo1

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Here is a little taster of (probably) what to expect on Sex Shooter, I posted this a few years ago, sounds funky as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqOfMVEA-A

The last part of counting to 8 is funky and Prince's voice is prominent there!

My post:

https://prince.org/msg/5/443379?&pg=1

[Edited 6/3/19 10:56am]

Wow. Thanks! I am a pretty well-versed Prince fan and I don't think I ever heard that version before. I like the sparser, funkier, grittier instrumentation. Plus, Vanity > Apollonia. The clip online is pretty dull and muddy. I can't wait to hear a crystal clear version of this in a few days!!!!
Reply #644 posted 06/03/19 11:52am

lust

Does anyone know how Tidal release new stuff in terms of time zones?

EG does The whole world get access to it at the same time and if so, which time zone or will it come on line as each country ticks over to the 7th etc?
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #645 posted 06/03/19 12:27pm

mushmackalenta

5am GMT.
Reply #646 posted 06/03/19 1:08pm

lust

mushmackalenta said:

5am GMT.



I’ll take that. Friday 5pm in New Zealand. Perfect.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #647 posted 06/03/19 1:35pm

mnfriend

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Here is a little taster of (probably) what to expect on Sex Shooter, I posted this a few years ago, sounds funky as hell!


 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqOfMVEA-A


 


The last part of counting to 8 is funky and Prince's voice is prominent there!


 


My post:


https://prince.org/msg/5/443379?&pg=1


 

[Edited 6/3/19 10:56am]




Yes I love this one. Purple party at Paisley with this coming up thru the floor.
Reply #648 posted 06/03/19 1:58pm

mnfriend

mordang said:

TheFman said:

yes, another album full of things we already have - just what I wanted, can't imagine how i survived that long without knowing I needed this!



We have....but that's hardly the estate's fault.



I thought I read Prince made his own master of songs he gave to others,
including vocals!
Where are those? Why can’t we get all of those?
Someone said ‘Sugar Walls’
Exactly give us all of 1984 and more of songs he gave to others.
Reply #649 posted 06/03/19 1:59pm

Transformed1

bonatoc said:

Transformed1 said:

I always thought so too.


Some women can shoot too.
Maybe you need to go out more.

Besides, ever heard of poetic license? biggrin


[Edited 5/31/19 7:30am]

Sex Shooter, shooting love in your direction

Sex Shooter, come an play with my (something that starts with E and rhymes with affection)

Come on kiss the gun...

I can imagine that this song could have been pieced together from a number of different ideas, and maybe many many iterations. We've seen songs go through some major transformations. But who knows if we'll ever really know.

BTW, I get out just fine, thank you though.

Reply #650 posted 06/03/19 2:01pm

jfenster

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Here is a little taster of (probably) what to expect on Sex Shooter, I posted this a few years ago, sounds funky as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqOfMVEA-A

The last part of counting to 8 is funky and Prince's voice is prominent there!

My post:

https://prince.org/msg/5/443379?&pg=1

[Edited 6/3/19 10:56am]

different lyrics r....come and play with my.. ..erection

Reply #651 posted 06/03/19 2:15pm

mnfriend

jfenster said:

 



TheFreakerFantastic said:


Here is a little taster of (probably) what to expect on Sex Shooter, I posted this a few years ago, sounds funky as hell!


 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqOfMVEA-A


 


The last part of counting to 8 is funky and Prince's voice is prominent there!


 


My post:


https://prince.org/msg/5/443379?&pg=1


 


[Edited 6/3/19 10:56am]



different lyrics r....come and play with my.. ..erection





Let’s hear Prince sing it!
Does he?

2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983
Is Prince singing here?
What are we getting, extended versions of the same?


Can anyone answer about Prince master tracks with his vocals of songs he gave to others.
Are those available are they on this release?
Reply #652 posted 06/03/19 3:41pm

IstenSzek

mnfriend said:

jfenster said:

different lyrics r....come and play with my.. ..erection

Let’s hear Prince sing it! Does he? 2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983 Is Prince singing here? What are we getting, extended versions of the same? Can anyone answer about Prince master tracks with his vocals of songs he gave to others. Are those available are they on this release?


we're on post 651 right now, discussing "Originals" and you're asking
if prince is on vocals for these songs?

w.t.f. confuse


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #653 posted 06/03/19 4:18pm

mnfriend

You will forgive me for not following threads post by post on Prince.org
with posts including graphic sexual exploits or constant bickering between users,
this is not a site I read all the way through.

You could have answered my question.

I’ll back up what I said:
Peggy McCreary* is on record stating:

“The Time and Vanity are mostly Prince.
He’d sing most of the lyrics and then just have whomever replace it, but it was him, it was his genius.”


*Sunset Sound engineer (Peggy McCreary-Blum--1982-1985)
[Edited 6/3/19 16:21pm]
[Edited 6/3/19 16:25pm]
Reply #654 posted 06/03/19 4:26pm

mnfriend

IstenSzek said:

 



mnfriend said:


jfenster said:

 


different lyrics r....come and play with my.. ..erection



Let’s hear Prince sing it! Does he? 2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983 Is Prince singing here? What are we getting, extended versions of the same? Can anyone answer about Prince master tracks with his vocals of songs he gave to others. Are those available are they on this release?


we're on post 651 right now, discussing "Originals" and you're asking
if prince is on vocals for these songs?

w.t.f. confuse





IS HE?
Reply #655 posted 06/03/19 4:41pm

OperatingThetan

mnfriend said:

IstenSzek said:

 



mnfriend said:


jfenster said:

 


different lyrics r....come and play with my.. ..erection



Let’s hear Prince sing it! Does he? 2. Jungle Love The Time: Ice Cream Castle – 1984 1983 Is Prince singing here? What are we getting, extended versions of the same? Can anyone answer about Prince master tracks with his vocals of songs he gave to others. Are those available are they on this release?


we're on post 651 right now, discussing "Originals" and you're asking
if prince is on vocals for these songs?

w.t.f. confuse





IS HE?


The concept of the Originals album is that these are Prince's versions of songs he gave to other people. The selling point is Prince being the predominant vocalist.

There are enough of these kind of tracks for several volumes. Imagine the entire Family album with Prince vocals? But that is a different subject.
Reply #656 posted 06/03/19 4:43pm

mnfriend

I appreciate the answer. I am losing interest however.

I will wait and see.

RIP Prince.
Reply #657 posted 06/03/19 5:38pm

IstenSzek

mnfriend said:

IstenSzek said:


we're on post 651 right now, discussing "Originals" and you're asking
if prince is on vocals for these songs?

w.t.f. confuse


IS HE?



disbelief falloff





and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #658 posted 06/03/19 6:25pm

AnnaSantana

ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]

I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.

finger DONALD TRUMP
Reply #659 posted 06/03/19 6:26pm

AnnaSantana

Goddess4Real said:

So is there a version of Sex Shooter with just Prince's vocals on there? hmmm

I honestly believe it's Vanity 6.

finger DONALD TRUMP
Reply #660 posted 06/03/19 6:41pm

violetcrush

AnnaSantana said:

 



ThePersian said:


All excited - then I saw the track listing.


No 101.


No Kept Woman.


No Bliss.


AND NO G-SPOT!!!


 


 


[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]



 


I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.


I’ve heard Prince’s versions of 101 and G Spot. They are out there, and much better than the released versions.
Reply #661 posted 06/03/19 8:19pm

mnfriend

IstenSzek said:

 



mnfriend said:


IstenSzek said:

 



we're on post 651 right now, discussing "Originals" and you're asking
if prince is on vocals for these songs?

w.t.f. confuse




IS HE?




disbelief falloff








I hate this place.
Reply #662 posted 06/03/19 8:56pm

pricetag

AnnaSantana said:

ThePersian said:

All excited - then I saw the track listing.

No 101.

No Kept Woman.

No Bliss.

AND NO G-SPOT!!!

[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]

I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.

Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.

Reply #663 posted 06/04/19 2:49am

IstenSzek

mnfriend said:

IstenSzek said:



disbelief falloff





I hate this place.


me too. for different reasons, obviously.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #664 posted 06/04/19 3:30am

love2thenines2003

pricetag said:

 



AnnaSantana said:


 



ThePersian said:


All excited - then I saw the track listing.


No 101.


No Kept Woman.


No Bliss.


AND NO G-SPOT!!!


 


 


[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]



 


I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.



Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.



Seriously no this....no that...this will be like this until the end of time....Estate and much more with the heirs after will piss u off until the end of each of u and me probably!
[Edited 6/4/19 3:30am]
[Edited 6/4/19 3:54am]
Reply #665 posted 06/04/19 4:41am

droppingdishes

pricetag said:

AnnaSantana said:

I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.

Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.

WHAT, NO "ALLEGIANCE!!!!"

(I agree. Too random.)

Reply #666 posted 06/04/19 6:44am

OnlyNDaUsa

I am sure many Prince Fans would like to have some other song choices on this set. How many songs did he give away? 100? so 15 is a good start....

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #667 posted 06/04/19 7:33am

dodger

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So I got the 90 trial of Tidal and I do like the set up... very much. Both on PC and Phone... the sound is good too... but I am not going to keep it. (after the 21st it will be on my Amazon anyway)

Just looked at getting a free trial but it says you will not get another free trial if you've had one previously with your Apple ID.

I got one around HNR Phase 2 so I'll have to bite the bullet and pay a months subscription mad

Reply #668 posted 06/04/19 7:55am

TheEnglishGent

dodger said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So I got the 90 trial of Tidal and I do like the set up... very much. Both on PC and Phone... the sound is good too... but I am not going to keep it. (after the 21st it will be on my Amazon anyway)

Just looked at getting a free trial but it says you will not get another free trial if you've had one previously with your Apple ID.

I got one around HNR Phase 2 so I'll have to bite the bullet and pay a months subscription mad

Register on the web site with a different email?

RIP sad
Reply #669 posted 06/04/19 7:55am

OnlyNDaUsa

dodger said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So I got the 90 trial of Tidal and I do like the set up... very much. Both on PC and Phone... the sound is good too... but I am not going to keep it. (after the 21st it will be on my Amazon anyway)

Just looked at getting a free trial but it says you will not get another free trial if you've had one previously with your Apple ID.

I got one around HNR Phase 2 so I'll have to bite the bullet and pay a months subscription mad

can you not make a new email? and use a different CC? Somehow I bet there is a easy way around that. I guess I will find out the next time...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #670 posted 06/04/19 8:02am

TheEnglishGent

OnlyNDaUsa said:

dodger said:

Just looked at getting a free trial but it says you will not get another free trial if you've had one previously with your Apple ID.

I got one around HNR Phase 2 so I'll have to bite the bullet and pay a months subscription mad

can you not make a new email? and use a different CC? Somehow I bet there is a easy way around that. I guess I will find out the next time...

I just used my new work email, pretty sure I used the same card before, it's coming up to it's expiry time so it's a pretty old card.

RIP sad
Reply #671 posted 06/04/19 9:58am

Urine

I can't find any reviews for this album other than those in French.
Reply #672 posted 06/04/19 10:01am

soladeo1

Urine said:

I can't find any reviews for this album other than those in French.

The two French reviews I read were pretty glowing. They did state, however, some of the tunes suffered from poor audio...

Reply #673 posted 06/04/19 10:18am

dodger

TheEnglishGent said:

 



dodger said:


 



OnlyNDaUsa said:


So I got the 90 trial of Tidal and I do like the set up... very much.  Both on PC and Phone... the sound is good too... but I am not going to keep it.  (after the 21st it will be on my Amazon anyway)


 



 


Just looked at getting a free trial but it says you will not get another free trial if you've had one previously with your Apple ID.


I got one around HNR Phase 2 so I'll have to bite the bullet and pay a months subscription  mad



Register on the web site with a different email?



I’ll give that a try. The different email isn’t a problem but I’ll have to use a different card and I’m not sure if my Apple ID will be picked up when I open the Tidal app on my phone
Reply #674 posted 06/04/19 11:49am

mushmackalenta

soladeo1 said:

 



Urine said:


I can't find any reviews for this album other than those in French.

 


 


The two French reviews I read were pretty glowing.  They did state, however, some of the tunes suffered from poor audio...




They really should have left of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me as the sound is below par. I'm afraid though the negative nannies are going to focus in on it and we will hear ad infinitum about it, just like Moonbeam Levels and disc 2 of Pr deluxe.

I say listen to wouldn't u love 2 love me first.
Reply #675 posted 06/04/19 12:31pm

linus4000

I subscribed to TIDAL since Prince choose to work with them and i really like how they treaded him.

You still have some Prince exclusives and also besides his music Tidal has some nice playlists and i like their design in general.

Can`t wait for june 7 wink smile

Reply #676 posted 06/04/19 1:06pm

djThunderfunk

Yeah, no tidal for me, I'm willing to wait to pick up the physical release. Not that I'll need to, it'll be "around" to hear everywhere before the end of the day Friday.

I'll be picking up the Target exclusive CD, I'll likely pick up the regular vinyl edition at my local wrecka stow sometime down the road. Too bad even though I'll be buying twice I probably won't get liner notes because some "genius" has decided that they should be an exclusive for deluxe editions.

REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #677 posted 06/04/19 1:08pm

feeluupp

Was a listening party at WB UK today...

Reply #678 posted 06/04/19 1:10pm

OnlyNDaUsa

feeluupp said:

Was a listening party at WB UK today...

and? can you tell us anything?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #679 posted 06/04/19 1:20pm

jjam

From what I hear, it was full of music business types talking loudly over the music.

Glad to see that Prince's music is getting the respect that it deserves hmm

Reply #680 posted 06/04/19 1:34pm

ThePersian

Target (US) version has an extra track.
Cinematic remix of Nothing Compares 2 U.
Sorry if duplicated.
The Earth is but one country and mankind its citizens.
Reply #681 posted 06/04/19 1:58pm

ThePersian

pricetag said:

 



AnnaSantana said:


 



ThePersian said:


All excited - then I saw the track listing.


No 101.


No Kept Woman.


No Bliss.


AND NO G-SPOT!!!


 


 


[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]



 


I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.



Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.



Really?
Could you REALLY say the same for 1000 titles?
I don’t think 1000 Prince songs have been released by other artists. But please make a point, it might do you good to contribute rather than flame on low gas.

It’s not pointless.
There is a battle going on (behind the scenes) of what is happening to the Prince legacy, with multiple parties involved, nearly all of which are ‘reducing’ the Prince legacy to a massive cash grab to varying degrees.
Lines of communication coming out of these entities are vague and unhelpful to the Prince fan community at best.
So it would be great to have some sense of an identity (or even a reasonable holistic voice) for the Prince fan community as who knows how much attention those multiple parties give places like .org.
Debate and discussion are supposed to facilitate that.
But if people are here just to try and belittle others, and be pedantic over innocuous posts then all the Prince fan community deserves is Tony M’s ORIGINALS of the entire catalogue.
20 years and this place hasn’t changed.
The Earth is but one country and mankind its citizens.
Reply #682 posted 06/04/19 2:13pm

IstenSzek

ThePersian said:

pricetag said:

Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.

Really? Could you REALLY say the same for 1000 titles? I don’t think 1000 Prince songs have been released by other artists. But please make a point, it might do you good to contribute rather than flame on low gas. It’s not pointless. There is a battle going on (behind the scenes) of what is happening to the Prince legacy, with multiple parties involved, nearly all of which are ‘reducing’ the Prince legacy to a massive cash grab to varying degrees. Lines of communication coming out of these entities are vague and unhelpful to the Prince fan community at best. So it would be great to have some sense of an identity (or even a reasonable holistic voice) for the Prince fan community as who knows how much attention those multiple parties give places like .org. Debate and discussion are supposed to facilitate that. But if people are here just to try and belittle others, and be pedantic over innocuous posts then all the Prince fan community deserves is Tony M’s ORIGINALS of the entire catalogue. 20 years and this place hasn’t changed.


perhaps i'm not the best person to point this out right now, seeing that i've just become
a bit pedantic with someone else on this thread (although, such is not my usual modus
operandi), but it usually helps to just visit someone's org profile, if they make a snide or
seemingly flaming comment for no good reason. that usually gives you some insight into
what kind of person you're dealing with and wether they're worth getting worked up over.

just saying smile

than again, sometimes it's also not that difficult to see why people joke about posts. like
for instance your own post 2 above, about there being a bonus track on the target version
and the 'sorry if duplicate'.

you can get pissed off about that or you can think to yourself 'you know what, i gave the
information and oh duh it turned out it had been mentioned about 2 dozen times already
on this thread and the bonus track even had it's very own thread in this forum as well, so
yeah, maybe i shouldn't be pissed off that people comment on that or laugh at me.'

what's more rude? people making a joke, without actually attacking someone's person,
or someone asking questions which have obviously been answered multiple times in the
very same thread they ask them on -thus kind of saying "yeah y'all have your whole
thread going on here but i have no time for that i'm more important, i need answers
now and i'm not going to scroll through all this".

so excuse people for being a bit snide once in a while. it doesn't mean 'the org has gone
to shit'. not everything is a huge problem and a matter of life or death or of being or
feeling slighted or cut to the bone. we should all, me included (case in point: this rant)
be a little more "oh wait, what did **I** do, that might have made you...." instead of
"YOU WRONGED ME OMG YOU CAME FOR ME AND TRIED TO END ME YOURE THE DEVIL"

a little less 2019 and a little more 1994, i guess, is what i'm hoping for.






and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #683 posted 06/04/19 2:49pm

feeluupp

From now deleted tweets, there was some complaints about sound quality..

OnlyNDaUsa said:

feeluupp said:

Was a listening party at WB UK today...

and? can you tell us anything?

Reply #684 posted 06/04/19 3:01pm

jfenster

why would they choose to include tracks with subpar quality when theres plenty with great quality????? insane....!!!!!

Reply #685 posted 06/04/19 3:24pm

BartVanHemelen

Urine said:

I can't find any reviews for this album other than those in French.

.

You could try reading the one in Classic Pop magazine.

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Reply #686 posted 06/04/19 3:26pm

BartVanHemelen

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It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #687 posted 06/04/19 3:27pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

jfenster said:

why would they choose to include tracks with subpar quality when theres plenty with great quality?????  insane....!!!!!



Maybe because a lot of the vault tracks are of subpar quality? People in the know have been saying for years that the vault was in disarray, that Prince had not backed up his tapes, that they were deteriorating, that he basically did not care. Yet now people want to blame the quality of recent releases on WB using "cassette" copies from their own mythical vault (that does not exist) because they know how to use Audacity. It's hilarious to me.
Reply #688 posted 06/04/19 6:17pm

feeluupp

Some tweets saying the quality of Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is not that great..

Reply #689 posted 06/04/19 6:32pm

Moonbeam

feeluupp said:

Some tweets saying the quality of Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is not that great..


Yeah, the French reviews have said the same. I was hoping for a better copy of this version, but sounds like that won't happen: https://www.youtube.com/w...RsS295ELqA

Still looking forward to hearing it.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #690 posted 06/04/19 7:45pm

soladeo1

Moonbeam said:

 



feeluupp said:


Some tweets saying the quality of Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is not that great..




Yeah, the French reviews have said the same. I was hoping for a better copy of this version, but sounds like that won't happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRsS295ELqA

Still looking forward to hearing it.



Audio quality aside this version of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me has never been leaked or shared before. It’s totally new.
Reply #691 posted 06/04/19 7:55pm

Moonbeam

soladeo1 said:

Moonbeam said:


Yeah, the French reviews have said the same. I was hoping for a better copy of this version, but sounds like that won't happen: https://www.youtube.com/w...RsS295ELqA

Still looking forward to hearing it.

Audio quality aside this version of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me has never been leaked or shared before. It’s totally new.


Hmm. That's interesting! I know the press release dates the recording to 1981, which does not appear in PrinceVault (the closest being April 1, 1982), so it seems that report is correct. Can't wait!

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #692 posted 06/04/19 8:49pm

pld71

delete

[Edited 6/4/19 20:52pm]

Reply #693 posted 06/04/19 10:24pm

pricetag

ThePersian said:

pricetag said:

 



AnnaSantana said:


 



ThePersian said:


All excited - then I saw the track listing.


No 101.


No Kept Woman.


No Bliss.


AND NO G-SPOT!!!


 


 


[Edited 4/25/19 2:57am]



 


I agree with you about 101 and G Spot.



Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.



Really?
Could you REALLY say the same for 1000 titles?
I don’t think 1000 Prince songs have been released by other artists. But please make a point, it might do you good to contribute rather than flame on low gas.

It’s not pointless.
There is a battle going on (behind the scenes) of what is happening to the Prince legacy, with multiple parties involved, nearly all of which are ‘reducing’ the Prince legacy to a massive cash grab to varying degrees.
Lines of communication coming out of these entities are vague and unhelpful to the Prince fan community at best.
So it would be great to have some sense of an identity (or even a reasonable holistic voice) for the Prince fan community as who knows how much attention those multiple parties give places like .org.
Debate and discussion are supposed to facilitate that.
But if people are here just to try and belittle others, and be pedantic over innocuous posts then all the Prince fan community deserves is Tony M’s ORIGINALS of the entire catalogue.
20 years and this place hasn’t changed.
This collection includes songs given to other artists as well as countless side projects over four decades. Given that, and any number of iterations, it has to number in the thousands. By definition. I feel embarrassed having to say this. Do you know anything about Prince? Please check yourself before you post.
Reply #694 posted 06/04/19 10:27pm

pricetag

IstenSzek said:

 



ThePersian said:


pricetag said:

 


Pointless thing to say, and agree with. You could say the same for a 1000 other titles. Wait for vol 63, or whatever.



Really? Could you REALLY say the same for 1000 titles? I don’t think 1000 Prince songs have been released by other artists. But please make a point, it might do you good to contribute rather than flame on low gas. It’s not pointless. There is a battle going on (behind the scenes) of what is happening to the Prince legacy, with multiple parties involved, nearly all of which are ‘reducing’ the Prince legacy to a massive cash grab to varying degrees. Lines of communication coming out of these entities are vague and unhelpful to the Prince fan community at best. So it would be great to have some sense of an identity (or even a reasonable holistic voice) for the Prince fan community as who knows how much attention those multiple parties give places like .org. Debate and discussion are supposed to facilitate that. But if people are here just to try and belittle others, and be pedantic over innocuous posts then all the Prince fan community deserves is Tony M’s ORIGINALS of the entire catalogue. 20 years and this place hasn’t changed.


perhaps i'm not the best person to point this out right now, seeing that i've just become
a bit pedantic with someone else on this thread (although, such is not my usual modus
operandi), but it usually helps to just visit someone's org profile, if they make a snide or
seemingly flaming comment for no good reason. that usually gives you some insight into
what kind of person you're dealing with and wether they're worth getting worked up over.

just saying smile

than again, sometimes it's also not that difficult to see why people joke about posts. like
for instance your own post 2 above, about there being a bonus track on the target version
and the 'sorry if duplicate'.

you can get pissed off about that or you can think to yourself 'you know what, i gave the
information and oh duh it turned out it had been mentioned about 2 dozen times already
on this thread and the bonus track even had it's very own thread in this forum as well, so
yeah, maybe i shouldn't be pissed off that people comment on that or laugh at me.'

what's more rude? people making a joke, without actually attacking someone's person,
or someone asking questions which have obviously been answered multiple times in the
very same thread they ask them on -thus kind of saying "yeah y'all have your whole
thread going on here but i have no time for that i'm more important, i need answers
now and i'm not going to scroll through all this".

so excuse people for being a bit snide once in a while. it doesn't mean 'the org has gone
to shit'. not everything is a huge problem and a matter of life or death or of being or
feeling slighted or cut to the bone. we should all, me included (case in point: this rant)
be a little more "oh wait, what did **I** do, that might have made you...." instead of
"YOU WRONGED ME OMG YOU CAME FOR ME AND TRIED TO END ME YOURE THE DEVIL"

a little less 2019 and a little more 1994, i guess, is what i'm hoping for.






Couldn’t be arsed to wade through all this. Your first line was on point, tho.
Reply #695 posted 06/04/19 10:57pm

BartVanHemelen

pricetag said:


This collection includes songs given to other artists as well as countless side projects over four decades. Given that, and any number of iterations, it has to number in the thousands. By definition. I feel embarrassed having to say this. Do you know anything about Prince? Please check yourself before you post.

.

Bwahahahahahahahaha. Dude, just do the math. And then return here and apologize.

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Reply #696 posted 06/04/19 11:24pm

pricetag

BartVanHemelen said:

 



pricetag said:



This collection includes songs given to other artists as well as countless side projects over four decades. Given that, and any number of iterations, it has to number in the thousands. By definition. I feel embarrassed having to say this. Do you know anything about Prince? Please check yourself before you post.

.


Bwahahahahahahahaha. Dude, just do the math. And then return here and apologize.


[Flame snip - luv4u]
Reply #697 posted 06/05/19 12:46am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #698 posted 06/05/19 7:04am

cb70

soladeo1 said:

Moonbeam said:


Yeah, the French reviews have said the same. I was hoping for a better copy of this version, but sounds like that won't happen: https://www.youtube.com/w...RsS295ELqA

Still looking forward to hearing it.

Audio quality aside this version of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me has never been leaked or shared before. It’s totally new.

It's great we're getting an unknown version but with quite a few versions of this song existing it does make me wonder why they chose one with subpar audio quality unless they haven't come across the other versions yet. The leaked version we've had would sound incredible in pristine quality.

Reply #699 posted 06/05/19 7:30am

soladeo1

cb70 said:

soladeo1 said:

Moonbeam said: Audio quality aside this version of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me has never been leaked or shared before. It’s totally new.

It's great we're getting an unknown version but with quite a few versions of this song existing it does make me wonder why they chose one with subpar audio quality unless they haven't come across the other versions yet. The leaked version we've had would sound incredible in pristine quality.

From what I understand the version of Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me on The Originals is a previously unheard and un-leaked version of the song from 1981. There are already well known versions of the song from the 77-78 period as well as one from 1982 and one from 1987. Unfortunately, though, although the *new* version really thumps and "is funky as hell" the overall sound quality is muddy.

[Edited 6/5/19 7:31am]

Reply #700 posted 06/05/19 9:33am

OnlyNDaUsa

Do not trust them on when a song was recorded. Look at how they got Possessed wrong...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #701 posted 06/05/19 12:30pm

pricetag

BartVanHemelen said:

https://twitter.com/APEnt...4373505024

.

https://twitter.com/APEnt...9071374336

.

Would it have been so hard to cut and paste?

Reply #702 posted 06/05/19 12:36pm

OnlyNDaUsa

pricetag said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://twitter.com/APEnt...4373505024

.

https://twitter.com/APEnt...9071374336

.

Would it have been so hard to cut and paste?

no harder than clicking a link... and copy and pasting could be a violation as it is a copyright issue.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #703 posted 06/05/19 1:11pm

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #704 posted 06/05/19 1:44pm

billymeade

BartVanHemelen said:

Review by Rolling Stone: https://www.rollingstone....ts-844393/

Kinda surprised they didn't give it a 5-star, like they do for many legacy artists. Either way, has me excited!

Reply #705 posted 06/05/19 1:51pm

mushmackalenta

billymeade said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


Review by Rolling Stonehttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/review-originals-gathers-blueprints-of-princes-handed-off-hits-844393/



 


Kinda surprised they didn't give it a 5-star, like they do for many legacy artists. Either way, has me excited! 



The new Bruce Album got 4 stars. They nearly always give him 5.
Reply #706 posted 06/05/19 1:55pm

BartVanHemelen

Alan Light has written an article about Prince for Tidal, to coincide with the release of Originals: http://read.tidal.com/art...ectionist

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Reply #707 posted 06/05/19 1:58pm

pricetag

OnlyNDaUsa said:

pricetag said:

Would it have been so hard to cut and paste?

no harder than clicking a link... and copy and pasting could be a violation as it is a copyright issue.

...there's always one.

Reply #708 posted 06/05/19 9:31pm

mnfriend

Thank you for posting the reviews.
The RS review spent 70% of it’s words on Prince and gender, blown away I guess,
but forgiven for amping anticipation of Prince vocals.

(and I’m sorry I said I hate this place earlier)

Thanks again.
Reply #709 posted 06/05/19 9:51pm

popgodazipa

Is anyone ready to admit that it was a huge mistake for the estate to not take the Tidal deal...at least from a fan's perspective. Everything about this release has been superior to the ones before it. The interviews, global promotion, listening parties, an album for the masses AND the hardcore alike. I wonder if it was a black thing...sounds weird but. It's like the family saw this hip hop star in Jay Z and said no way
were going to let some rapper handle this. A billionaire businessman, self made...with instructions in hand from Prince who vocally supported Tidal and artist rights. You really think he wanted his masters with the masters?
[Edited 6/5/19 21:53pm]
[Edited 6/5/19 21:53pm]
1 over Jordan...the greatest since
Reply #710 posted 06/06/19 2:42am

BartVanHemelen

New interview with Michael Howe in Belgian newspaper De Morgen in Dutch: https://www.demorgen.be/t...~b9060ddc/ (for subscribers only).

.

Check https://prince.org/msg/7/459622?pg=2 for some highlights.

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Reply #711 posted 06/06/19 2:44am

BartVanHemelen

popgodazipa said:

Is anyone ready to admit that it was a huge mistake for the estate to not take the Tidal deal...at least from a fan's perspective. Everything about this release has been superior to the ones before it. The interviews, global promotion, listening parties, an album for the masses AND the hardcore alike. I wonder if it was a black thing...sounds weird but.

.

Sweet jebus, how do you lot come up with this nonsense?

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Reply #712 posted 06/06/19 5:03am

fabriziovenerandi

Does somebody knows at what time in Europe Tidal will stream the album?

Reply #713 posted 06/06/19 5:27am

bluegangsta

So... Does New Zealand have access to the stream now?

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #714 posted 06/06/19 5:28am

Ramzoo

fabriziovenerandi said:

Does somebody knows at what time in Europe Tidal will stream the album?

Hi, there's a countdown in the site. It will B at 6 am (jet lag with the US east cost I presume)..

Reply #715 posted 06/06/19 5:34am

OnlyNDaUsa

15 hours 26min so: what is that? ( 9PM Org Time?)

So: 9 Pm Pacifc, 10pm Mountian, 11PM Centeral, Midnight Eastern

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #716 posted 06/06/19 5:36am

fabriziovenerandi

Ramzoo said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

Does somebody knows at what time in Europe Tidal will stream the album?

Hi, there's a countdown in the site. It will B at 6 am (jet lag with the US east cost I presume)..

.

Thank you, I see now the counter!

Sigh, I have to wait all the night.

Reply #717 posted 06/06/19 5:37am

OnlyNDaUsa

fabriziovenerandi said:

Ramzoo said:

Hi, there's a countdown in the site. It will B at 6 am (jet lag with the US east cost I presume)..

.

Thank you, I see now the counter!

Sigh, I have to wait all the night.

yeah people in califoina get it at 9PM on the 6th! Does that make is seem like they get it sooner?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #718 posted 06/06/19 6:21am

OperatingThetan

fabriziovenerandi said:

Does somebody knows at what time in Europe Tidal will stream the album?



Usually just past midnight
Reply #719 posted 06/06/19 6:33am

OnlyNDaUsa

OperatingThetan said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

Does somebody knows at what time in Europe Tidal will stream the album?

Usually just past midnight

I bvelive it will be all at the same time based on the time in New York...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #720 posted 06/06/19 7:29am

IstenSzek

countdown (logged in, in The Netherlands) says 13,5 hours until release. (it's now 4:30 PM)
so it will be available here at 6 AM on the 7th.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #721 posted 06/06/19 7:39am

dodger

IstenSzek said:

countdown (logged in, in The Netherlands) says 13,5 hours until release. (it's now 4:30 PM)
so it will be available here at 6 AM on the 7th.

Which will be 5 am UK time so that's perfect timing for my drive to work...
Reply #722 posted 06/06/19 8:19am

Cinny

I joined TIDAL solely for this release tomorrow!

Reply #723 posted 06/06/19 8:20am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #724 posted 06/06/19 8:29am

OnlyNDaUsa

TheSilentMikey said:

Here’s the timing of the songs.

  1. Sex Shooter (3:06)
  2. Jungle Love (3:04)
  3. Manic Monday (2:51)
  4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)
  5. Make-Up (2:27)
  6. 100 MPH (3:31)
  7. You’re My Love (4:24)
  8. Holly Rock (6:39)
  9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)
  10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)
  11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)
  12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)
  13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)
  14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)
  15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

[Edited 4/27/19 10:37am]

are these times correct? on the tidal screen it shows "Sex Shooter" as being 4:12?


https://tidal.com/prince



and 12.5 hours to go!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #725 posted 06/06/19 8:35am

soladeo1

Cinny said:

I joined TIDAL solely for this release tomorrow!

So did I!!! I also purchased the album on double vinyl and on iTunes! I want The Estate and WB to be EXCITED about future releases!!
Reply #726 posted 06/06/19 8:41am

TheSilentMikey

OnlyNDaUsa said:

TheSilentMikey said:

Here’s the timing of the songs.

  1. Sex Shooter (3:06)
  2. Jungle Love (3:04)
  3. Manic Monday (2:51)
  4. Noon Rendezvous (3:00)
  5. Make-Up (2:27)
  6. 100 MPH (3:31)
  7. You’re My Love (4:24)
  8. Holly Rock (6:39)
  9. Baby, You’re A Trip (5:52)
  10. The Glamorous Life (4:12)
  11. Gigolos Get Lonely Too (4:49)
  12. Love... Thy Will Be Done (4:09)
  13. Dear Michaelangelo (5:22)
  14. Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me? (5:57)
  15. Nothing Compares 2 U (4:39)

[Edited 4/27/19 10:37am]

are these times correct? on the tidal screen it shows "Sex Shooter" as being 4:12?


https://tidal.com/prince



and 12.5 hours to go!

The TIDAL screen is an advertisement so it’s not true. The timing is random on this picture.

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #727 posted 06/06/19 8:46am

OnlyNDaUsa

TheSilentMikey said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

are these times correct? on the tidal screen it shows "Sex Shooter" as being 4:12?


https://tidal.com/prince



and 12.5 hours to go!

The TIDAL screen is an advertisement so it’s not true. The timing is random on this picture.

could be... The Glamorous Life is 4:12... but my thought is which is easier? To do a mock up? or take a screen cap of it running? *I do hope Sex Shooter is longer than listed but that could mean others are shorter.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #728 posted 06/06/19 8:59am

TheSilentMikey

OnlyNDaUsa said:

TheSilentMikey said:

The TIDAL screen is an advertisement so it’s not true. The timing is random on this picture.

could be... The Glamorous Life is 4:12... but my thought is which is easier? To do a mock up? or take a screen cap of it running? *I do hope Sex Shooter is longer than listed but that could mean others are shorter.

It’s a mock-up.

"Don't need no Reefer. Don't need Cocaine. Purple Music does the same to my brain."
Reply #729 posted 06/06/19 11:18am

Dangelus

Cinny said:

I joined TIDAL solely for this release tomorrow!

Me too (90 day free trial) biggrin

The pre save feature for Originals seems to be broken for me though...

Reply #730 posted 06/06/19 11:22am

BartVanHemelen

"Sometimes he dreamed his songs: A portrait of Prince in the recording studio -- His L.A. engineer dishes on a new album of songs for other artists." by Jon Bream, Minneapolis Star Tribune, 6 June 2019

.

When Prince showed up at his favorite Los Angeles recording studio, engineer Peggy McCreary never knew what was going to happen. “It wasn’t like you could ask him,” she recalled. “He was very quiet. I got in his face: ‘You’re gonna have to talk to me. I can’t work if you’re just going to mumble instructions.’” They worked together for six years, beginning in 1981, at Sunset Sound, recording “Controversy,” “1999,” “Purple Rain” and other projects.

.
http://www.startribune.co...510918872/

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Reply #731 posted 06/06/19 11:24am

lust

bluegangsta said:

So... Does New Zealand have access to the stream now?




Just woke up here in NZ. It’s 6:23 on the 7th, open Tidal.

And WOOHOOOOO. biggrin

Looks like I have to wait for you fuckers to catch up.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #732 posted 06/06/19 11:43am

ThePersian

pricetag said:

ThePersian said:
Really? Could you REALLY say the same for 1000 titles? I don’t think 1000 Prince songs have been released by other artists. But please make a point, it might do you good to contribute rather than flame on low gas. It’s not pointless. There is a battle going on (behind the scenes) of what is happening to the Prince legacy, with multiple parties involved, nearly all of which are ‘reducing’ the Prince legacy to a massive cash grab to varying degrees. Lines of communication coming out of these entities are vague and unhelpful to the Prince fan community at best. So it would be great to have some sense of an identity (or even a reasonable holistic voice) for the Prince fan community as who knows how much attention those multiple parties give places like .org. Debate and discussion are supposed to facilitate that. But if people are here just to try and belittle others, and be pedantic over innocuous posts then all the Prince fan community deserves is Tony M’s ORIGINALS of the entire catalogue. 20 years and this place hasn’t changed.
This collection includes songs given to other artists as well as countless side projects over four decades. Given that, and any number of iterations, it has to number in the thousands. By definition. I feel embarrassed having to say this. Do you know anything about Prince? Please check yourself before you post.

Ah, pricetag! I think you need a hug!

The Earth is but one country and mankind its citizens.
Reply #733 posted 06/06/19 11:48am

OnlyNDaUsa

lust said:

bluegangsta said:

So... Does New Zealand have access to the stream now?

Just woke up here in NZ. It’s 6:23 on the 7th, open Tidal. And WOOHOOOOOO. biggrin Looks like I have to wait for you fuckers to catch up.

looks like you get it a 3PM PM... 1500!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #734 posted 06/06/19 11:52am

rusty1

violetcrush said:

rusty1 said:



Prince put out good stuff but was very inconsistant after 1988.
He was a trend setter from 1980 to 87.
That time period is what would make him a legend forever.
His creation of the Minneapolis sound influenced a lot
of people in the mid 80's.
From 1989 onward, Prince started to follow the trends.
There were a lot of half baked albums as well as that
name change which became a distraction from his music.
He had some solid albums that were respectable but nowhere
near the heights of a "Purple Rain,1999,Sign o'the Times etc
This is just my opinion of course:)
When i listen to his music,in my car,
i will go to his classic period


[Edited 5/30/19 7:49am]

I agree with your opinion. The 80’s were Prince’s most prolific years and he was the trendsetter. The 90’s were such a struggle for him, but he did have some great music throughout the decade - when he wasn’t trying to incorporate Rap and HipHop. I like many of his 90’s songs, but many more from the 80’s.


👏
BOB4theFUNK
Reply #735 posted 06/06/19 11:58am

BartVanHemelen

French interview with Michael Howe where he talks a bit more on how the songs were selected for Originals: http://www.schkopi.com/in...originals/

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Reply #736 posted 06/06/19 12:14pm

dustoff

BartVanHemelen said:

French interview with Michael Howe where he talks a bit more on how the songs were selected for Originals: http://www.schkopi.com/in...originals/


He certainly seems to be leaving the door open to releasing follow-up volumes, if this one is received well.

Reply #737 posted 06/06/19 12:17pm

OnlyNDaUsa

BartVanHemelen said:

French interview with Michael Howe where he talks a bit more on how the songs were selected for Originals: http://www.schkopi.com/in...originals/

great interview thanks mr Bart!

few big points:

That the idea for this came after "NC2U" was release

he did say there were other potential volumes depending on how this is recived.

he said in some cases they had to do some mixing because some tapes were nota good source for this project.

that indeed "Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me?" Is not a cirulating version. (so I was wrong when suggested not to trust the dates). And that the issues with the sound are do to it being recorded on a 16 track (which makes no sense to me)


No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #738 posted 06/06/19 12:40pm

lust

OnlyNDaUsa said:

 



lust said:


bluegangsta said:

So... Does New Zealand have access to the stream now?



Just woke up here in NZ. It’s 6:23 on the 7th, open Tidal. And WOOHOOOOO. biggrin Looks like I have to wait for you fuckers to catch up.

 


 


looks like you get it a 3PM PM... 1500!  



Actually, it will be 4PM which on a Friday is also known as Beer O’clock.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #739 posted 06/06/19 12:43pm

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #740 posted 06/06/19 1:46pm

OnlyNDaUsa

BartVanHemelen said:

random time to ask...and I have seen the Dirty Mind photos with Prince with a spray paint can with some of the Dirty Mind song titles as well as the back of the album with them painted on the wall...

But my question is what is up with that out of place / between the P and RiNCE. I assume (I did a basic search but did not find it) that was from the same time...maybe sprayed by Prince himself... but why the /? (but I will say it is something easy to remove...so I am sure it was in the original photos)

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #741 posted 06/06/19 2:07pm

donnyenglish

What time is the US Tidal release? I hope that it is midnight. Sorry if this has been already asked.
Reply #742 posted 06/06/19 2:22pm

OnlyNDaUsa

donnyenglish said:

What time is the US Tidal release? I hope that it is midnight. Sorry if this has been already asked.

Midnight Eastern (9PM Pacific, 10PM Mountain, 11PM Central)

about 6 hours and 40 mins from NOW!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #743 posted 06/06/19 2:25pm

donnyenglish

OnlyNDaUsa said:

 



donnyenglish said:


What time is the US Tidal release? I hope that it is midnight. Sorry if this has been already asked.

 


 


 


Midnight Eastern  (9PM Pacific, 10PM Mountain, 11PM Central) 

about 6 hours and 40 mins from NOW!  



I am excited and sad. From 1981-2016 I have fond memories of the excitement before his albums were released. Today is different. Bitter and sweet.
Reply #744 posted 06/06/19 2:49pm

IstenSzek

right, that's me off to bed. excited to listen to a whole 'new' album of prince music tomorrow morning.

cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #745 posted 06/06/19 3:44pm

siim


those times given here on messageboard are correct.
Sex Shooter is 3:06 and so on.
"Wouldn't You Love To Love Me..." is uptempo pop-rock version. and it's amazing.
I havent hear that version, dont know if it has circulated before.

[Edited 6/6/19 15:45pm]

[Edited 6/6/19 15:47pm]

Reply #746 posted 06/06/19 3:53pm

OnlyNDaUsa

siim said:


those times given here on messageboard are correct.
Sex Shooter is 3:06 and so on.
"Wouldn't You Love To Love Me..." is uptempo pop-rock version. and it's amazing.
I havent hear that version, dont know if it has circulated before.

[Edited 6/6/19 15:45pm]

[Edited 6/6/19 15:47pm]

It was confirmed that this version of "Wouldn't You Love To Love Me?" is not know to have ever been leaked... not even by some of the elite traders.


And No Fair! I got to wait 5 more hour!! lol

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #747 posted 06/06/19 4:45pm

bonatoc

BartVanHemelen said:

French interview with Michael Howe where he talks a bit more on how the songs were selected for Originals: http://www.schkopi.com/in...originals/


« I was suprised by the high quality of the songs that were circulating [ed.: bootlegs among fans]. I don't know how that can be. »

It's official, this guy doesn't know squat.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #748 posted 06/06/19 5:13pm

Strive

Everything must be new to him because he doesn't know anything.


lol
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #749 posted 06/06/19 5:19pm

OnlyNDaUsa

bonatoc said:

BartVanHemelen said:

French interview with Michael Howe where he talks a bit more on how the songs were selected for Originals: http://www.schkopi.com/in...originals/


« I was suprised by the high quality of the songs that were circulating [ed.: bootlegs among fans]. I don't know how that can be. »

It's official, this guy doesn't know squat.

yeah he seems to not be worthy...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #750 posted 06/06/19 6:08pm

AvocadosMax

What exact time will it be released!? 12 AM eastern time?
Reply #751 posted 06/06/19 6:20pm

grantevans

https://nypost.com/2019/06/06/princes-originals-review-nothing-compares-2-new/

Reply #752 posted 06/06/19 6:21pm

billymeade

AvocadosMax said:

What exact time will it be released!? 12 AM eastern time?


Yes
Reply #753 posted 06/06/19 6:29pm

OnlyNDaUsa

2 and a half hours!

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #754 posted 06/06/19 6:51pm

mnfriend

I don’t know if I can wait.
Is Tidal waiting up? wink
Here come the ‘Sex Shooter’ freaks.
Reply #755 posted 06/06/19 6:52pm

Mikado

This release fufills Prince's obligations to Tidal, right?

A certain kind of mellow.
Reply #756 posted 06/06/19 6:53pm

mnfriend

grantevans said:

https://nypost.com/2019/06/06/princes-originals-review-nothing-compares-2-new/




^
“Sex Shooter”
Cooing with a coquettish falsetto over the sleazy groove, Prince is straight-up sexier than all three members combined in Apollonia 6, who sang this come-on in the “Purple Rain” movie released 35 summers ago.
Winner: Prince
Reply #757 posted 06/06/19 7:05pm

popgodazipa

Mikado said:

This release fufills Prince's obligations to Tidal, right? 


I hope not.
1 over Jordan...the greatest since
Reply #758 posted 06/06/19 7:11pm

OnlyNDaUsa

popgodazipa said:

Mikado said:

This release fufills Prince's obligations to Tidal, right?

I hope not.

what would just mean as far as exclusives go... and it can always be extended.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #759 posted 06/06/19 8:37pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Mikado said:

This release fufills Prince's obligations to Tidal, right?


Yes, this album will conclude the settlement between the Estate and Tidal.

Reply #760 posted 06/06/19 8:55pm

Transformed1

minutes away.... excited!

Reply #761 posted 06/06/19 9:01pm

OnlyNDaUsa

YES here it

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #762 posted 06/06/19 9:01pm

lust

It’s on. biggrin
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #763 posted 06/06/19 9:12pm

cbosdad

Thank god for VPNs and 30 day free trials.

Up to Manic Monday. I’m going to love getting all this on CD and vinyl.
Reply #764 posted 06/06/19 9:18pm

AvocadosMax

I’m no audiophile, but listening to this with good Skullcandy headphones (leaving the fake bass alone) but the sound quality is good to my ears
Reply #765 posted 06/06/19 9:18pm

andrewm7

how good is “baby your a trip” with Jill and Prince’s harmony vocals!
Reply #766 posted 06/06/19 9:19pm

PurpleMedley122

Going through it. So far, Manic Monday and 100 MPH are very different from the bootlegs we have.
Reply #767 posted 06/06/19 9:20pm

pld71

https://www.stereogum.com/2044591/prince-originals/music/album-stream/

includes 30 second previews

Reply #768 posted 06/06/19 9:20pm

Strive

Wish they didn't fade Sex Shooter, felt like it was just starting to groove.

I'm listening to the master audio and it's turning me from "meh" to "I need to buy this CD"
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #769 posted 06/06/19 9:20pm

sheldance

NOON RENDEZVOUS IS KILLING ME. So beautiful.

Reply #770 posted 06/06/19 9:21pm

AvocadosMax

Not even listening to this in order because
1) I’m saving “The Glamorous Life” for last
2) it’s basically a compilation anyways. Maybe later I’ll make my own sequencing playlist but I’m just digesting them at random because it’s not like Prince himself sequenced this as an album
Reply #771 posted 06/06/19 9:23pm

feeluupp

The sound on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is atrocious

[Edited 6/6/19 21:27pm]

Reply #772 posted 06/06/19 9:27pm

AvocadosMax

feeluupp said:

The soud on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is atrocious


Oh I haven’t even got there yet. Well isn’t his version from the late 70s? Different time periods so definitely not consistent sound quality
Reply #773 posted 06/06/19 9:28pm

OnlyNDaUsa

so far the firsr 7 (including 100 MPH) seem to be to not be in circulation. In the boot of 100MPH I do not remember a count off...


You're My Love is way unexpected I had hear Kenny's version this seems vastly different and his voice... WOWZA

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #774 posted 06/06/19 9:29pm

feeluupp

Meh... Blast From The Past 3.0 > Originals

Coco Boys, 101, beats everything on this release...

[Edited 6/6/19 21:30pm]

Reply #775 posted 06/06/19 9:32pm

OnlyNDaUsa

AvocadosMax said:

feeluupp said:

The soud on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is atrocious

Oh I haven’t even got there yet. Well isn’t his version from the late 70s? Different time periods so definitely not consistent sound quality

bull all the Led Zepllin and Doors albums sound Great! Some of it was the tape was not cared and he was known to not be too worried about sound quality....

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #776 posted 06/06/19 9:32pm

Strive

AvocadosMax said:

feeluupp said:

The soud on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is atrocious


Oh I haven’t even got there yet. Well isn’t his version from the late 70s? Different time periods so definitely not consistent sound quality


Archivist guy said it was a real demo made on 16 track and that it was something he took a bunch of runs at over the years.

You're My Love eek That's a different side of Prince.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #777 posted 06/06/19 9:34pm

AvocadosMax

Let me hear WYLTLM and I’ll come back with my take lol
Reply #778 posted 06/06/19 9:49pm

OnlyNDaUsa

So far the only one that seems to be the same as the bootlegs is "Baby You're a Trip"

Maybe "Love Thy Will be Done"


"Dear Michaelangelo" sounds different too!

[Edited 6/6/19 21:54pm]

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #779 posted 06/06/19 9:50pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Strive said:

AvocadosMax said:
Oh I haven’t even got there yet. Well isn’t his version from the late 70s? Different time periods so definitely not consistent sound quality
Archivist guy said it was a real demo made on 16 track and that it was something he took a bunch of runs at over the years. You're My Love eek That's a different side of Prince.



Michael most ceraintly said this about the sound quality on this song. It is from 1976.

Reply #780 posted 06/06/19 9:51pm

AvocadosMax

feeluupp said:

The sound on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is atrocious

[Edited 6/6/19 21:27pm]


Yeah you’re right
Reply #781 posted 06/06/19 9:51pm

Strive

I don't know if it's because I'm use to the leaked version but Glamorous Life's mixing is weirding me out. Like they have the claps way too high. And what's up with them leaving Prince saying something during the intro?
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #782 posted 06/06/19 9:52pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

100 MPH sounds like work was done it much later than the original “demo”. Vocal quality doesn’t match the instrumentation.

Reply #783 posted 06/06/19 9:54pm

AvocadosMax

The only logical explanation I can think of is that the estate is intentionally putting out songs with bad quality so years later they can go “buy this release because these songs sound much better than they did on that other thing!!”
Their plan is to be over-milking it
Reply #784 posted 06/06/19 9:54pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

AvocadosMax said:

The only logical explanation I can think of is that the estate is intentionally putting out songs with bad quality so years later they can go “buy this release because these songs sound much better than they did on that other thing!!” Their plan is to be over-milking it


Really? Lol

Reply #785 posted 06/06/19 9:55pm

bluegangsta

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So far the only one that seems to be the same as the bootlegs is "Baby You're a Trip"

[Edited 6/6/19 21:54pm]

The bootleg version doesn't have Jill's vocals. Or the last 2 minutes or so.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
Reply #786 posted 06/06/19 9:57pm

SPOOKYGAS

Reply #787 posted 06/06/19 9:58pm

OnlyNDaUsa

bluegangsta said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So far the only one that seems to be the same as the bootlegs is "Baby You're a Trip"

[Edited 6/6/19 21:54pm]

The bootleg version doesn't have Jill's vocals. Or the last 2 minutes or so.

I need to check "Love Thy Will Be Done"


and "Wound't You Love To Love Me?" maybe... not the best choice... sound wise. But Like this take.






No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
Reply #788 posted 06/06/19 9:58pm

AvocadosMax

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

 



AvocadosMax said:


The only logical explanation I can think of is that the estate is intentionally putting out songs with bad quality so years later they can go “buy this release because these songs sound much better than they did on that other thing!!” Their plan is to be over-milking it


Really? Lol


Really lol
Reply #789 posted 06/06/19 9:59pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

AvocadosMax said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:


Really? Lol

Really lol


I don’t know you, but I’m sure you can come up with a more logical reason!

Reply #790 posted 06/06/19 10:00pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

OnlyNDaUsa said:

bluegangsta said:

The bootleg version doesn't have Jill's vocals. Or the last 2 minutes or so.

I need to check "Love Thy Will Be Done"


and "Wound't You Love To Love Me?" maybe... not the best choice... sound wise. But Like this take.







Love sounds pretty much the same I believe, perhaps a slight bit cleaner (at least from what I can remember).

Reply #791 posted 06/06/19 10:01pm

AvocadosMax

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

 



AvocadosMax said:


KlyphIsBackAgain said:

 



Really? Lol



Really lol


I don’t know you, but I’m sure you can come up with a more logical reason!


Ok at least two more. But this is the theory that makes most sense to me.
Reply #792 posted 06/06/19 10:01pm

AvocadosMax

Or at least it’s the theory I’m leaning on because it’s more interesting
Reply #793 posted 06/06/19 10:02pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

Strive said:

I don't know if it's because I'm use to the leaked version but Glamorous Life's mixing is weirding me out. Like they have the claps way too high. And what's up with them leaving Prince saying something during the intro?


At least it doesn’t have the second verse error.

Reply #794 posted 06/06/19 10:03pm

KlyphIsBackAgain

AvocadosMax said:

Or at least it’s the theory I’m leaning on because it’s more interesting


lol

Reply #795 posted 06/06/19 10:10pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Your're My Love is beautiful.

Reply #796 posted 06/06/19 10:12pm

RJOrion

Prince version of Gigolos Get Lonely Too is clearly better than The Time...he shoulda kept that one...
Reply #797 posted 06/06/19 10:15pm

Strive

So I just finished listening. Here's my thoughts.

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- I think this is a great gateway for new listeners. This should've been the first posthumous release.

- Outside of The Glamorous Life mix I mentioned and the demo of Wouldn't It Be Nice Wouldn't You Love To Love Me, it sounded great. Wouldn't You Love isn't even that bad. It sounds like a boot with muffled vocals. If I had to guess, I would guess they Frankenstein'd multiple takes together.

- Strangely, the song that doesn't fit is Noon Rendezvous. It's an amazing song but it's also bare in this version and slows a fairly upbeat album.

- Please no more Nothing Compares 2 U. I'll probably be replacing that with A Million Miles (I Love You)

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Solid, solid release. Good job Estate.

[Edited 6/6/19 22:25pm]

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #798 posted 06/06/19 10:18pm

grantevans

You're my love sounds like it was meant for the Time. He's phrasing is the way he phrases it for Morris. c.f. Girl (the time)

Reply #799 posted 06/06/19 10:18pm

RJOrion

feeluupp said:

The sound on Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is atrocious

[Edited 6/6/19 21:27pm]



yeah, but its still funky as hell...
Reply #800 posted 06/06/19 10:18pm

jeffreymiller

Strive said:

So I just finished listening. Here's my thoughts.

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- I think this is a great gateway for new listeners. This should've been the first posthumous release.

- Outside of The Glamorous Life mix I mentioned and the demo of Wouldn't It Be Nice, it sounded great. Wouldn't It Be Nice isn't even that bad. It sounds like a boot with muffled vocals. If I had to guess, I would guess they Frankenstein'd multiple takes together.

- Strangely, the song that doesn't fit is Noon Rendezvous. It's an amazing song but it's also bare in this version and slows a fairly upbeat album.

- Please no more Nothing Compares 2 U. I'll probably be replacing that with A Million Miles (I Love You)

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Solid, solid release. Good job Estate.

[Edited 6/6/19 22:16pm]

Oh wow, there's a Beach Boys cover on here?! Can't wait.

Reply #801 posted 06/06/19 10:21pm

AvocadosMax

Who else hopes they release extended singles??? “The Glamorous Life” is too damn short lol well i can always just to listen to Sheila E’s version
Reply #802 posted 06/06/19 10:22pm

WhisperingDandelions

"You're My Love" hits that unearthed vault sweet spot.

Reply #803 posted 06/06/19 10:24pm

EddieC

grantevans said:

You're my love sounds like it was meant for the Time. He's phrasing is the way he phrases it for Morris. c.f. Girl (the time)

I thought exactly the same thing.

Reply #804 posted 06/06/19 10:37pm

grantevans

The showcasing of vocal styles and variety is what i am enjoying most.

There are things he is doing here that were not done on any released items.

Glad that very few sound like know bootlegged items.

The Vault has many many pearls it seems.

Reply #805 posted 06/06/19 10:56pm

dannyd5050

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so far the firsr 7 (including 100 MPH) seem to be to not be in circulation. In the boot of 100MPH I do not remember a count off...


You're My Love is way unexpected I had hear Kenny's version this seems vastly different and his voice... WOWZA

I was looking forward to You're My Love. I think it's rare to hear Prince sing in his baritone for most of the song. The only song that comes immediately to mind with his deep voice is I Love U In Me.

[Edited 6/6/19 23:06pm]

Reply #806 posted 06/06/19 10:58pm

controversy99

This album is awesome, much better than I expected. Agree that the different vocal styles is one of the best parts.

I’m shocked by how much I’m enjoying Sex Shooter because I really didn’t like this song before.

The overall diversity of musical styles, range of singing, and general creativity is so cool. A couple of the songs suffer from feeling very much like demos (which some are), so he hits these points where he sounds like he’s not quite giving the vocals his full care and effort. But that’s a small complaint because even then it’s kind of amazing, like the little nuances in Jungle Love and the occasional little gaps that would be filled in later or changed slightly by the artist who received and released the song.

Manic Monday is also way better than I expected, somehow the lyrics are a bit more impactful in this version. It’s still a light song but has a bit of a more melancholy feel to me.
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
Reply #807 posted 06/06/19 11:05pm

BartVanHemelen

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #808 posted 06/06/19 11:12pm

antonb

Im up too Dear Michaelangelo so far. And its all very enjoyable so far,and likable. Its certainly for the new listener or fan. Sex shooter is so annoying because they cut it off too short, as they do with some others. But really they carnt really go wrong with this record. Its just too much fun! There are a couple of curve balls in there like makeup and your my love, . please next lets have some later songs put together. Black is the new Black please!

Reply #809 posted 06/06/19 11:13pm

Kares

YES!

Finally, this is the real deal. After all the cassette-sourced posthumous releases, this one is genuinely from The Vault.
.

Gorgeous, clean sound with the depths, real colours, textures and flavours of those analog synths. This is how 'Love & Sex', 'Computer Blue', 'Wonderful Ass' and the other PR-outtakes should've been released, instead of the sonic mess we got of those masterpieces...
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I'm really loving this. Yes, 'Wouldn't You Love To Love Me' sounds bad, but still, it is sourced from the master, it was just recorded poorly. It is what it is. And the poor quality of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' is no surprise, it's the only partially-cassette sourced master on this collection, while the other 14 songs are truly from the vault, so I'm not complaining.
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This is an album that does justice to Prince. Those with ears for great musicianship will be thrilled to hear the details, the nuances of the different parts. His playing on all instruments (but especially on guitar) is soulful, meaningful and delivered with masterful precision. His vocal performances are breathtaking. All this from a guy in his early 20s...

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'Noon Rendezvous' is absolutely sublime. 'Baby, You're A Trip' takes you to church and will make you tear up.

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[Edited 6/6/19 23:14pm]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #810 posted 06/06/19 11:23pm

Halen

This is getting strong reviews

4/5 by Rolling Stone

9.5/10 by Pitchfork

Reply #811 posted 06/06/19 11:43pm

daniorU

Love the album,awesome vocals on Baby u're a trip!

"We are the New Power Generation,and so are U!"
Reply #812 posted 06/07/19 12:00am

SayItsJustADream

daniorU said:

Love the album,awesome vocals on Baby u're a trip!

nod heart

Reply #813 posted 06/07/19 12:02am

websheriff

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Reply #814 posted 06/07/19 12:35am

FragileUndertow

OMG... Holly Rock is the jam !

:music:
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
Reply #815 posted 06/07/19 12:35am

JorisE73

The FLAC's have been leaked.
I like the album, but still a shame that it flows like a 90's outtake bootleg.
Love the songs but would have rather seen most of these tracks on remasters of the original albums.
Still beter then nothing.

Reply #816 posted 06/07/19 12:35am

dodger

First observations... You're My Love is quite bizarrely brilliant. . Gigolos Get Lonely Too is pure ear candy to me. . Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is of course not great quality but I'm still glad to have it.
Reply #817 posted 06/07/19 12:44am

TheKid94

Upon First Listen Review:
Don’t hate on me for my thoughts. Like underwear, opinions are ever-changing.

Sex Shooter - Vanity’s version of this song will always reign supreme
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Jungle Love - Pretty much the same as the released version. It’s obvious, like Sex Shooter, it’s inclusion is solely based on its presence in Purple Rain.
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Manic Monday - The excitement in hearing the original Manic Monday far exceeds the experience. Brenda’s vocals are pleasant and the extra bridge is interesting. Super underwhelming, and more surface level pandering to casual fans.
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Noon Rendezvous - Unfortunately, it's hard to get into this one for me. Even Sheila's official version pales in comparison to the live version from the B’day show at First Ave. In that case, why not put that version of the song on the album? Ah, except it's longer than three minutes and we know how short a listener's attention span is these days. ESPECIALLY Prince fans.
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Make Up - Nothing different in this song that Vanity doesn’t do just as good or better.
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100 MPH 🌟 - Finally, we arrive at something special! It’ll be nice to listen to this freely without such a muffled quality. Although, I will say it could be cleaner. Great song, could’ve only been better if it segued into JerkOut.
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You’re My Love - Really not sure what to make of this one….on first listen I cringed at some of his vocals. There are some sincere genuine moments in this song, but I think this is one of those situations where his version wasn’t meant to be released.
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Holly Rock 🌟- This is a MF JAM! Prince really owned this one, his delivery is fresh and not as kitchy as Sheila’s. I wish this would’ve leaked years ago because damn were we missing out!
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Baby You’re A Trip 🌟- Sound quality problems aside, this track is beautiful. Prince and Jill’s voice meld so good together, and we could’ve only hoped to have Mia Bocca follow with this one. Also, props to Jill who out of all the associated acts, comes the closest to capturing Prince’s vocal range and pitch imo.
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The Glamorous Life - This is not the same version that leaked a couple years ago as far as I can tell. While that leaked version is superior in it's execution, the quality of this one is pretty good. However, I don't see myself picking this demo version over Sheila's.
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Gigolos Get Lonely Too - Vocals are clipping a bit on this one. Nothing different to the original, I almost couldn’t tell if it was Morris or Prince at times.
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Love Thy Will Be Done 🌟- Spiritual Prince at it’s finest, grateful to finally have this accessible in my streaming library.
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Dear Michaelangelo 🌟- This slaps! Love this song, both released versions are great and I’m so happy to finally hear his original vocals. The harmonies are fantastic and I love the energy of this track. We need a full Originals version of the Romance 1600 album!
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Wouldn’t You Love To Love Me ⭐️- Definitely the poorest quality soundwise on the album. I’m sure on future listens I’ll be bumping to it.
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Nothing Compares 2 U - I hate to rain on the NC2U parade, but there are just too many damn versions of this song. I might get hate for this one, but the officially released live version with Rosie packs a more soulful punch for me. Not bad, but it’s kind of sad that this is the only Family guide vocal song we got. Screams of Passion, High Fashion, Mutiny, Desire?
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Recap: *I'm not gonna touch on the sound quality because I'm sure enough of you already will and also know a hell of a lot more than I do about it lmao.
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That being said, I do love that we are getting "new" Prince releases. I believe the concept of 'Originals' is actually really clever and if done right, could be a worthwhile and wholesome release for fans. The reality is I don't see this as very wholesome. Of the 13 tracks, 5 or 6 of them I'd listen to above their released counterparts.
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Which brings me to the curation of this whole affair. Troy Carter obviously means well, but as any businessman does, he's searching for selling points not substance. Many on the org have pointed out the focus is in the wrong place. The fans are being side stepped for the potential to bring in newbies, which, is there any sign this is actually working? Don't get me wrong, they got some of it right. The handful of tracks that resonate for me are very good and please note, none of these are bad songs whatsoever. They each served their purpose and brought success to a lot of people including himself!
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To wrap it up, I gotta say I was a huge fan of PR Deluxe, especially the vault collection. Having revisited the vault two more times, I'm curious to see if they have enough confidence to dive deeper and explore his body of work past the 83 - 85 era.
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Much Love,

RR
prince
Reply #818 posted 06/07/19 12:53am

Moonbeam

It's hard to know if this is the newness of it, but listening to it, Originals feels like an essential Prince release. It both chronicles his omnipresence in the 80s through its diverse soundscapes and explores the different avenues of his psyche that his patheon of collaborators unearthed in him. We get many sides of Prince here, delivered in a highly replayable package. I won't comment on individual tracks much until I let them sink in more, but it's a stunning reminder of his titanic prowess in the 80s.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #819 posted 06/07/19 12:55am

dodger

FragileUndertow said:

OMG... Holly Rock is the jam ! :music:

yeahthat funky as. I've just walked into work chanting 'rock rock holly rock everybody wanna holly rock'
Reply #820 posted 06/07/19 12:59am

deanm

dodger said:

First observations... You're My Love is quite bizarrely brilliant. . Gigolos Get Lonely Too is pure ear candy to me. . Wouldn't You Love To Love Me is of course not great quality but I'm still glad to have it.

I agree, couldn't even remember the Kenny Rogers version & Gigolos get lonely, never cared for The Time version, but I love both these versions !

I thought the sound on Love....Thy will be done was a bit average, but I was listening to it in may car.

Wouldn't you love me was a nice surprise, but the sound quality was quite ordinary.

All in all an absolutely fantastic release.

Reply #821 posted 06/07/19 1:06am

dustoff

TheKid94 said:

Jungle Love - Pretty much the same as the released version. It’s obvious, like Sex Shooter, it’s inclusion is solely based on its presence in Purple Rain.


Or maybe it was included because it's one of the most well-known Prince-penned songs performed by another artist?

Reply #822 posted 06/07/19 1:09am

CrozzaUK

Am loving most of these versions, even the ones ive had as LQ demos, have a new lease of life on this album. The only, and actually major disappointment, is the awful versoin of Wouldnt You Love To Love Me. A poor version and shit sound quality. Since the album was announced i was delighted that we would be getting to hear the 87 version in decent quality but this sounds like a throwaway rock version, like something done during the rebels sessions or something. Why would they choose this one over the joyous 87 version that actually sounds like the Taja Seville version?

Reply #823 posted 06/07/19 1:10am

Dangelus

Love this release, a step in the right direction. 90% uncirculating material and pretty good quality.

I'm happy. biggrin

Reply #824 posted 06/07/19 1:30am

Moonbeam

I love the version of "Wouldn't You Love to Love Me?" on offer here. I am most partial to the late 70s circulating version, but this one is super nice as well!

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #825 posted 06/07/19 1:46am

Neversin

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #826 posted 06/07/19 1:53am

KCOOLMUZIQ

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
Reply #827 posted 06/07/19 1:54am

Johnytruelove8

Neversin said:

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.



If more releases like this one is what we have to look forward to from here on out,then I'm one happy camper
Reply #828 posted 06/07/19 2:02am

dustoff

KCOOLMUZIQ said:


KCOOL! Welcome back!

Reply #829 posted 06/07/19 2:08am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

dustoff said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:


KCOOL! Welcome back!


You mean ChocolateBox3121 lol

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Reply #830 posted 06/07/19 2:10am

JorisE73

Kares said:

YES!

Finally, this is the real deal. After all the cassette-sourced posthumous releases, this one is genuinely from The Vault.
.

Gorgeous, clean sound with the depths, real colours, textures and flavours of those analog synths. This is how 'Love & Sex', 'Computer Blue', 'Wonderful Ass' and the other PR-outtakes should've been released, instead of the sonic mess we got of those masterpieces...
.
I'm really loving this. Yes, 'Wouldn't You Love To Love Me' sounds bad, but still, it is sourced from the master, it was just recorded poorly. It is what it is. And the poor quality of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' is no surprise, it's the only partially-cassette sourced master on this collection, while the other 14 songs are truly from the vault, so I'm not complaining.
.

This is an album that does justice to Prince. Those with ears for great musicianship will be thrilled to hear the details, the nuances of the different parts. His playing on all instruments (but especially on guitar) is soulful, meaningful and delivered with masterful precision. His vocal performances are breathtaking. All this from a guy in his early 20s...

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'Noon Rendezvous' is absolutely sublime. 'Baby, You're A Trip' takes you to church and will make you tear up.

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[Edited 6/6/19 23:14pm]


Are we sure everything is from the vault and not like NOthing Compares 2 U?

Neversin posted this on a nother board:

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Pathetic that these idiots running the show are clueless as to which tracks belong on the demos and just punch up all the tracks that were recorded for the released versions and release them as is on this album...

Neversin.
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[Edited 6/7/19 2:15am]

Reply #831 posted 06/07/19 2:13am

dustoff

luv4u said:

dustoff said:


KCOOL! Welcome back!


You mean ChocolateBox3121 lol


I stand corrected biggrin

Reply #832 posted 06/07/19 2:18am

TheEnglishGent

Neversin said:

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.

I always appreciate your insights Neversin, thanks for posting.

I have to say though, that you're in quite a different position to most of us here, let alone the average music listener at large. If you or other elite collectors have some of these tracks, such as Manic Monday in the form of Prince's original demo, without the backing tracks of others, then you are indeed in a very privileged and unique position to voice your complaints. Even if you haven't heard these things, you seem to have a lot of insider knowledge, which we don't have either.


For the 99.9999% of the rest of us though, we have no comparison to make, so can only judge it on the merits of what is presented to us. And coming from that point of view, I love this release and am very happy with it. We're never going to get access to everything and are at the mercy of what the estate choose to release to us and it's days like today that I'm happy to be able to revel in my blissful ignorance of what might have been and just lay back and listen to Prince singing some songs to me.

To the subject of the 'real' demo versions. Are you saying that you have these, or that you know these to exist within collectors circles? Or is it assumption based on speaking to others? Or you just know for sure that they exist somewhere in the vault?

RIP sad
Reply #833 posted 06/07/19 2:23am

Kares

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

YES!

Finally, this is the real deal. After all the cassette-sourced posthumous releases, this one is genuinely from The Vault.
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Gorgeous, clean sound with the depths, real colours, textures and flavours of those analog synths. This is how 'Love & Sex', 'Computer Blue', 'Wonderful Ass' and the other PR-outtakes should've been released, instead of the sonic mess we got of those masterpieces...
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I'm really loving this. Yes, 'Wouldn't You Love To Love Me' sounds bad, but still, it is sourced from the master, it was just recorded poorly. It is what it is. And the poor quality of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' is no surprise, it's the only partially-cassette sourced master on this collection, while the other 14 songs are truly from the vault, so I'm not complaining.
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This is an album that does justice to Prince. Those with ears for great musicianship will be thrilled to hear the details, the nuances of the different parts. His playing on all instruments (but especially on guitar) is soulful, meaningful and delivered with masterful precision. His vocal performances are breathtaking. All this from a guy in his early 20s...

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'Noon Rendezvous' is absolutely sublime. 'Baby, You're A Trip' takes you to church and will make you tear up.

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[Edited 6/6/19 23:14pm]


Are we sure everything is from the vault and not like NOthing Compares 2 U?

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I am sure.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #834 posted 06/07/19 2:23am

BartVanHemelen

dustoff said:

TheKid94 said:

Jungle Love - Pretty much the same as the released version. It’s obvious, like Sex Shooter, it’s inclusion is solely based on its presence in Purple Rain.


Or maybe it was included because it's one of the most well-known Prince-penned songs performed by another artist?

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One of the recent Michael Howe interviews suggests Jay-Z wanted this track.

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Reply #835 posted 06/07/19 2:24am

TheEnglishGent

JorisE73 said:


Neversin posted this on a nother board:

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Pathetic that these idiots running the show are clueless as to which tracks belong on the demos and just punch up all the tracks that were recorded for the released versions and release them as is on this album...

Neversin.
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[Edited 6/7/19 2:15am]


The album is called Originals, not demos. That would imply that they were Prince's original version of what was released, not his inital demo. I'm not sure why Neversin would expect the original demo version in the first place.

RIP sad
Reply #836 posted 06/07/19 2:25am

RicoN

Neversin said:

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.

Prince's demos will have BVs on them, they aer an intergral part of the song. What you're describing is an unfinished version and incomplete version, which may be of some interest but won't be a fair representattion of the song Prince was laying down.

Quit your moaning, you're worse than our lass.

Hamburger, Hot Dog, Root Beer, Pussy
Reply #837 posted 06/07/19 2:26am

TheEnglishGent

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:


Are we sure everything is from the vault and not like NOthing Compares 2 U?

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I am sure.

Is this based purely on what you're hearing on the release itself, or from other sources? I certainly trust your ears over mine, especially after your inital assesment and being proven correct about the source of NC2U, I'm just wondering.

RIP sad
Reply #838 posted 06/07/19 2:29am

databank

Neversin said:

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.

OK, this is what I feared. Somehow I naively hoped that they'd put the real NC2U on this album, and that no other track would be posthumously tinkered with... OK, now we know who we're dealing with I guess. The only possible half-excuse I could find for them was if they come clear and state in the liner notes that they've messed with some of the songs to make them more consumer-friendly, but I doubt this will be the case (let me know guys when you get the CD).

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Haven't listened to it yet and not sure which versions are authentic or not but the case pleaded here by Neversin, who has proven year after year to be a reliable person when it comes to such things, is convincing to me, and anyway the mere presence of the certified fake NC2U is enough for us to assume any of the other tracks may have been messed with. Once trust is broken once...

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The utter drama in all this, beyond the Estate butchering Prince's work for commercial purposes, is that, as with NC2U last year, the record will get nothing but rave reviews by the music press since no journalist suspects that some songs are fake. Hell, even those French fans didn't make any mention of it in their early reviews some days ago, so if even hardcore Prince fans can be fooled, the average journalist won't see anything.

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If I get around finding the time to do it, I may drop a mail to each and every site and journalist who reviewed the thing to tell them what occured in hope of some reaction. If anyone here has the time to do it, I encourage you to do the same. A few reviewers might be pissed and publish/post something about it. Princevault also needs to mention it, I will contact them ASAP. I would really like to hear Duane on this, too, he's an authority of sorts onb those studio sessions, now, and his opinion could weight in.

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I also strongly discourage anyone from purchasing or streaming this product. The more critical acclaim and the more money the Estate gets from this, the more fake mixes we'll see in the future. Just download the album illegally, it'll soon be easy to find. But the CD or LP second hand in some months if you really need to have it in physical format. Just don't encourage them to do it again.

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To be honest, I'm really, really sad about this sad sad sad A vault full of gems and instead of releasing them as such, a bunch of sorcerer's apprentices feel they need to "upgrade" the recordings. Prince's legacy deserved better than this.

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I apologize for every time I offended someone when debates got "heated". Love y'all yes
Reply #839 posted 06/07/19 2:29am

Moonbeam

I feel like the resident cheerleader here given how I have liked each of the posthumous releases so far, but this one is particularly awesome, IMO. I think it will come to be regarded as a seminal Prince release. While I can appreciate the finer points about accuracy with respect to what is truly the “original” (e.g. “Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me” being neither the first version of the song nor the version likely presented to Taja Savelle), the way it presents Prince with the colorful shades of his psyche in bold relief across a wide range of genres does great justice to his legacy, IMO.
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #840 posted 06/07/19 2:31am

databank

dupe

[Edited 6/7/19 2:33am]

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home

I apologize for every time I offended someone when debates got "heated". Love y'all yes
Reply #841 posted 06/07/19 2:32am

JorisE73

TheEnglishGent said:

To the subject of the 'real' demo versions. Are you saying that you have these, or that you know these to exist within collectors circles? Or is it assumption based on speaking to others? Or you just know for sure that they exist somewhere in the vault?


He'll probably bite my head of again but I don't care. [Snip - luv4u]

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- Sex Shooter on Originals seems to be Prince's version of the Apollonia 6 version but Neversin's sample is Prince's vocal version of the Vanity 6 version.

- Jungle Love on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Manic Monday on Originals is a different mix as Neversin's sample but essentially the same version but I'm not sure about the backing vocals.

- Noon Rendezvous on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Make-Up on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- 100 MPH on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- You're My Love on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Holly Rock on Originals sounds like a different mix than Neversin's sample.

- Baby You're a Trip on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- The Glamorous Life on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Gigolos Get Lonely Too on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Love... Thy Will Be Done on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Dear Michaelangelo on Originals is the same as Neversin's sample.

- Wouldn't You Love To Love Me on Originals is a different version from Neversin's sample.

- Nothing Compares 2 U on Originals is a different mix from Neversin's sample.

Sound quality is slightly better on Originals (not much) and volume boosted, but I don't know if Neversin watered his samples down.
All in all only Sex Shooter, Manic Monday, Holly Rock, Wouldn't You Love to Love Me and Nothing Compares 2 U seem different from his samples.
It boggles my mind that Neversin has these tracks.
**

[Edited 6/7/19 2:41am]

Reply #842 posted 06/07/19 2:36am

udo

Dunno what this `tidal` thing is and I swear by physical media whenever possible.

So all I have is this `mixtape` link that someone sent me until I can take delivery of the CD.

Still sounds kinda OK, so far.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
Reply #843 posted 06/07/19 2:39am

antonb

Well the so called elete traders wont like it cuss they aint got the best /every version of the songs anymore! In this day and age i dont know why you wouldnt share what you have got other than to make money. But anyhow, back to this release. Love how it showcases princes voice more than anything. And the different beats etc. The music of make up is funky as hell, just wish it was longer. Same as sex shooter and jungle love. Its a fun release, which i think is the whole point of the release by the team. I hope it does well. Maybe pick up some awards at the grammys for vocals. Love his voice in the kenny rodgers song. so different. The sound quality is a bit up and down when you listen on headphones. It shows princes skills pretty good. Its not perfect, ofcourse its not, but i hope this is the start of other volumes.

Reply #844 posted 06/07/19 2:43am

TheEnglishGent

JorisE73 said:

It boggles my mind that Neversin has these tracks.
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Indeed it does. It also begs the question, does he have the other 'demo' versions alluded to in his previous post. It certianly reinforces my sentiment that he's in a fairly unique position. I'm not going to turn this into a moan about elite collectors not releasing what they have, but it is definitely frustrating for them to complain about what wasn't released when they can listen to it anyway and have no intention of letting it out for the general public to hear. But that said, I still want to hear their thoughts and opinions. My feelings are mixed lol .

RIP sad
Reply #845 posted 06/07/19 2:49am

udo

TheEnglishGent said:

It certianly reinforces my sentiment that he's in a fairly unique position.

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Whahahaha!

- Hardcore fans wanting these goods too

- Estate lawyers and worse that want to avoid leaks coute que coute.

- Contract killers sent out by some in the Estate to accomplish the same in a more practical manner

All of these might be after the uniquely positioned person.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
Reply #846 posted 06/07/19 2:50am

JorisE73

TheEnglishGent said:

JorisE73 said:

It boggles my mind that Neversin has these tracks.
**

Indeed it does. It also begs the question, does he have the other 'demo' versions alluded to in his previous post. It certianly reinforces my sentiment that he's in a fairly unique position. I'm not going to turn this into a moan about elite collectors not releasing what they have, but it is definitely frustrating for them to complain about what wasn't released when they can listen to it anyway and have no intention of letting it out for the general public to hear. But that said, I still want to hear their thoughts and opinions. My feelings are mixed lol .


Part of my post above is snipped for some reason, but the comparison was made by someone who was at the listenig party 2 weeks ago and mailed me his comparison with the 1 minute samples he got from him a month ago, I just pasted it in the post above from his email.
He also confirmed Neversin has the full tracks taht he made samples of.

Reply #847 posted 06/07/19 2:51am

thisisreece

databank said:

Neversin said:

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.

OK, this is what I feared. Somehow I naively hoped that they'd put the real NC2U on this album, and that no other track would be posthumously tinkered with... OK, now we know who we're dealing with I guess. The only possible half-excuse I could find for them was if they come clear and state in the liner notes that they've messed with some of the songs to make them more consumer-friendly, but I doubt this will be the case (let me know guys when you get the CD).

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Haven't listened to it yet and not sure which versions are authentic or not but the case pleaded here by Neversin, who has proven year after year to be a reliable person when it comes to such things, is convincing to me, and anyway the mere presence of the certified fake NC2U is enough for us to assume any of the other tracks may have been messed with. Once trust is broken once...

.

The utter drama in all this, beyond the Estate butchering Prince's work for commercial purposes, is that, as with NC2U last year, the record will get nothing but rave reviews by the music press since no journalist suspects that some songs are fake. Hell, even those French fans didn't make any mention of it in their early reviews some days ago, so if even hardcore Prince fans can be fooled, the average journalist won't see anything.

.

If I get around finding the time to do it, I may drop a mail to each and every site and journalist who reviewed the thing to tell them what occured in hope of some reaction. If anyone here has the time to do it, I encourage you to do the same. A few reviewers might be pissed and publish/post something about it. Princevault also needs to mention it, I will contact them ASAP. I would really like to hear Duane on this, too, he's an authority of sorts onb those studio sessions, now, and his opinion could weight in.

.

I also strongly discourage anyone from purchasing or streaming this product. The more critical acclaim and the more money the Estate gets from this, the more fake mixes we'll see in the future. Just download the album illegally, it'll soon be easy to find. But the CD or LP second hand in some months if you really need to have it in physical format. Just don't encourage them to do it again.

.

To be honest, I'm really, really sad about this sad sad sad A vault full of gems and instead of releasing them as such, a bunch of sorcerer's apprentices feel they need to "upgrade" the recordings. Prince's legacy deserved better than this.

I've heard this before. What exactly was done to NC2U?

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #848 posted 06/07/19 2:52am

databank

RicoN said:

Neversin said:

It would have been nice if they could have actually put Prince's "Original" solo demos on there instead of some of these "Frankenstein" versions ("Manic Monday" (Brenda and Jill background vox), "Holly Rock" (suffers the most of it, too much to list), "Baby, You're A Trip" (Jill's background vox), "Dear Michaelangelo" (Eddie M. instead of original synth lines from the demo), "Nothing Compares 2 U" (already discussed...)

A shitty release that still gives bootleggers a chance to profit off of the real demo versions when some potential backstabber tries to sell these to them... Sad that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our "Prince fan" days...
The less said about this crap the sooner it'll fade away...

Neversin.

Prince's demos will have BVs on them, they aer an intergral part of the song. What you're describing is an unfinished version and incomplete version, which may be of some interest but won't be a fair representattion of the song Prince was laying down.

Quit your moaning, you're worse than our lass.

Honestly I can't believe that, nor understand why fans are arguing about this. We should all stand together against the Estate messing with Prince tapes as a matter of principle, even if the result may be pleasant to hear. I'm baffled by the fact that some fans here don't care, or approve. And even if one isn't personally annoyed by it, they could at least understand why other fans are, it's no rocket science.

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What Neversin said is that some of those mixes are fake. We know it is the case at least with NC2U so I don't see why it wouldn't with several other tracks. True, there's no harm in releasing Prince's last mix before the song was overdubbed and finished for release instread of an earlier, barebone mix, but the keyword here is Prince's last mix. Not Michael Howe's 2019 remix that uses Prince's last vocal mix and arbitrarily adds later overdubs from the released mix to "finish" or "polish" it. And they're not even doing a good job at it: the way the vocals and strings are mixed in NC2U 2018 do not even attempt to imitate the way they were mixed in the Family version. But regardless, good job or bad job, there shouldn't be any job at all. There is no need for it.

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So seriously, everyone, we're together in this, why argue? We all love Prince's music, we all want it out, and when Prince passed the consensus among us (there were threads ab