ChocolateBox3121 said:

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It was a Billboard 100 top 10 hit. Whether Tallahassee chose to play it as much or not.

Doesn't change the fact that due to being in a family that traveled by car all over from 1984-1994, I knew a ton of stations, and hearing a Prince album track was some sort of strange situation, and saying that it helped promote Prince is absurd. Just look at the decline in album sales From Around The World to Lovesexy. The world was not on fire with airplay for Prince. And his lack of sales was well-documented. I wish I could say each album went double platinum, but no, he started a steep decline with a few minor abberations: Batman and Diamonds And Pearls. And Batman was a huge movie hit, so he sales from non-fans as well.

stillwaiting said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

It was a Billboard 100 top 10 hit. Whether Tallahassee chose to play it as much or not.

Doesn't change the fact that due to being in a family that traveled by car all over from 1984-1994, I knew a ton of stations, and hearing a Prince album track was some sort of strange situation, and saying that it helped promote Prince is absurd. Just look at the decline in album sales From Around The World to Lovesexy. The world was not on fire with airplay for Prince. And his lack of sales was well-documented. I wish I could say each album went double platinum, but no, he started a steep decline with a few minor abberations: Batman and Diamonds And Pearls. And Batman was a huge movie hit, so he sales from non-fans as well.

That's because Prince(r.i.p.) was the RARE prolific artist that insisted on releasing an ALBUM A YEAR for his WHOLE existence on earth. The "non-fans" like U call them couldn't keep up with him & the fair weather fans drifted off. Unlike me who stayed & is one of the few that's been there the ENTIRE time & will NEVER leave.

Most labels like a good 2-3 year promotion of an album ala MJ to milk sales. Prince(r.i.p) didn't care about any of that. Which is why his catalog is FOREVER rich with over 40 albums to choose from. Most artist dream of being that prolific like D'angelo with only three under his belt.

Don't come for me.

Germanegro said:

Prince was just a certain kind of entertainer who took inspiration from his feelings toward his song topics, but to me seems not to have veered far into personal emotional exploration through his works--maybe one song or another--I'll see "Comeback" as one such, and Lovesexy and TRC as albums portraying deeply personal experience. He just might have been communicatively stunted in personal life to a degree. I fear that that kind of issue may have ultimately complicated his first marriage to lead to that divorce, IMO. So I guess this could be seen as a flaw that led to mistakes.

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He had his quirky beliefs about health too, maybe driven by his faith--who knows--and again, trust issues that blocked his ability to let go to treatments by medical professionals. Perhaps another flaw that led to mistakes.

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I do hate to say "poor Prince" because there were some very charming parts of his life, but he had his hard times too, like a lot of us do, R.I.P.

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BartVanHemelen said:

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It's not so much about him being anti-drugs, it's about him being in denial about flaws etc. Hence him barely acknowledging life-changing events like the death of his son or the death of his parents or his failed marriages. (Whereas his 1980s music was more personal in that way.)

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Look at Arcade Fire's Funeral, or Eels' Electro-Shock Blues, Neil Young's Tonight's The Night, or Sufjan Stevens' Carrie & Lowell, or Wendy & Lisa's Girl Bros.: where's Prince's equivalent album?

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I mean, did you watch that clip Mick Jagger posted on Twitter a month after having heart chirurgy that delayed his tour? That's the kind of thing a rich celeb can do: have access to the best medical care. Yet Prince was buying black market drugs because he couldn't publicly admit to having a physical defect and thus hid all that, including the resulting drug addiction.

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I really don't get why he was so secretive about this. Keith Richards fell out of a tree and got a concussion and he still is the coolest fucker that walks the earth.

Sorry--I felt the need to add a little more detail to my original post on the subject.

[Edited 5/22/19 12:54pm]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

stillwaiting said:

Doesn't change the fact that due to being in a family that traveled by car all over from 1984-1994, I knew a ton of stations, and hearing a Prince album track was some sort of strange situation, and saying that it helped promote Prince is absurd. Just look at the decline in album sales From Around The World to Lovesexy. The world was not on fire with airplay for Prince. And his lack of sales was well-documented. I wish I could say each album went double platinum, but no, he started a steep decline with a few minor abberations: Batman and Diamonds And Pearls. And Batman was a huge movie hit, so he sales from non-fans as well.

That's because Prince(r.i.p.) was the RARE prolific artist that insisted on releasing an ALBUM A YEAR for his WHOLE existence on earth. The "non-fans" like U call them couldn't keep up with him & the fair weather fans drifted off. Unlike me who stayed & is one of the few that's been there the ENTIRE time & will NEVER leave.

Most labels like a good 2-3 year promotion of an album ala MJ to milk sales. Prince(r.i.p) didn't care about any of that. Which is why his catalog is FOREVER rich with over 40 albums to choose from. Most artist dream of being that prolific like D'angelo with only three under his belt.

Don't come for me.

He over saturated the market. And he did not even know what songs to put on albums. So if it is 40 albums, or 100 albums, or 10 albums, the songs matter. Jughead, Daddy Pop, Wedding Feast, Purple & Gold were released. Old Friends 4 Sale(Original), Mooonbeam Levels, Witness 4 the Prosecution, and Train were not. When he had the freedom to release whatever he wanted, he actually went through periods of inactivity. In my opinion, he released more great songs than anyone in history, but the method he used led to his stature as a legend who was considerd a has been by some, but a legend who could have accomplished a lot more for a lot longer period of time. He's still the best, but not what he could have been.

stillwaiting said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That's because Prince(r.i.p.) was the RARE prolific artist that insisted on releasing an ALBUM A YEAR for his WHOLE existence on earth. The "non-fans" like U call them couldn't keep up with him & the fair weather fans drifted off. Unlike me who stayed & is one of the few that's been there the ENTIRE time & will NEVER leave.

Most labels like a good 2-3 year promotion of an album ala MJ to milk sales. Prince(r.i.p) didn't care about any of that. Which is why his catalog is FOREVER rich with over 40 albums to choose from. Most artist dream of being that prolific like D'angelo with only three under his belt.

Don't come for me.

He over saturated the market. And he did not even know what songs to put on albums. So if it is 40 albums, or 100 albums, or 10 albums, the songs matter. Jughead, Daddy Pop, Wedding Feast, Purple & Gold were released. Old Friends 4 Sale(Original), Mooonbeam Levels, Witness 4 the Prosecution, and Train were not. When he had the freedom to release whatever he wanted, he actually went through periods of inactivity. In my opinion, he released more great songs than anyone in history, but the method he used led to his stature as a legend who was considerd a has been by some, but a legend who could have accomplished a lot more for a lot longer period of time. He's still the best, but not what he could have been.

Divine intervention knew Prince(r.i.p.) didn't have a long time on earth . So he put out & recorded ALL he could in the time period that God allowed him to stay on earth. It's the reason his "body didn't want to quit gotta get another hit"....

donnyenglish said:

Vannormal said:

What do you all think were mistakes/wrong choices that Prince made in his carreer, be it musically or otherwise.

And what effect it might have had on his music, career, life ?

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I think self-directing both 'Under The Cherry Moon' and 'Grafitti Bridge' to wstart with.

(Maybe better results...)

Not participating with We Are The World band on the song.

(just a stupid mistake really imho... he should've done it)

Not touring Sign 'O' The Times Tour in the USA.

(would've don the album sales a bigger help...)

The choice of JW.

(nearly a decade of his career was conteminated by it...)

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What do you think ?

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I literally disagree with all of the above except for Grafitti Bridge. Cherry Moon is better than PR to me. I love that he didn't do We are the World and did Tears in Your Eyes instead. The SOTT movie would not have been as big of a success if he had toured in the USA. None of us are qualified to question his faith. The spirituality and inspiration that he got from his faith gave us many works like my favorite album, The Rainbow Children.

In my opinion, he made one major mistake and that was all the rap stuff in 1991-1992 that ruined some songs. Otherwise, his career was as close to perfect as possible.

Thanks for making it clear how you feel about those of us who were preteens or teens in the early 90s! If it had not been for Tony M and that era? I would have never paid any attention to Prince. He was my mom's fave not mine. I even stopped listening to him after realizing that Tony, Damon, and Kirk were not in videos. I never intentionally listened to a Prince song til after he died.

IHeartNPG4Life said:

donnyenglish said:

I literally disagree with all of the above except for Grafitti Bridge. Cherry Moon is better than PR to me. I love that he didn't do We are the World and did Tears in Your Eyes instead. The SOTT movie would not have been as big of a success if he had toured in the USA. None of us are qualified to question his faith. The spirituality and inspiration that he got from his faith gave us many works like my favorite album, The Rainbow Children.

In my opinion, he made one major mistake and that was all the rap stuff in 1991-1992 that ruined some songs. Otherwise, his career was as close to perfect as possible.

Thanks for making it clear how you feel about those of us who were preteens or teens in the early 90s! If it had not been for Tony M and that era? I would have never paid any attention to Prince. He was my mom's fave not mine. I even stopped listening to him after realizing that Tony, Damon, and Kirk were not in videos. I never intentionally listened to a Prince song til after he died.

???? I have had conversations with rap fans of all ages who loved Tony M, but most true rap fans had a good laugh with Tony M, saying he was horrible, a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. And Tony and Damon not in the videos? Just look for the Star Trek Next Generation uniforms. That's them.

stillwaiting said:

IHeartNPG4Life said:

Thanks for making it clear how you feel about those of us who were preteens or teens in the early 90s! If it had not been for Tony M and that era? I would have never paid any attention to Prince. He was my mom's fave not mine. I even stopped listening to him after realizing that Tony, Damon, and Kirk were not in videos. I never intentionally listened to a Prince song til after he died.

???? I have had conversations with rap fans of all ages who loved Tony M, but most true rap fans had a good laugh with Tony M, saying he was horrible, a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. And Tony and Damon not in the videos? Just look for the Star Trek Next Generation uniforms. That's them.

I stopped intentionally listening to NPG or Prince after he no longer had those 3 in his videos. Those 3 guys were what made me even take notice. My point is that not everyone sees Tony as a mistake. He's always been my favorite followed by Kirk and Damon. If they not in NPG? It not the real NPG to me.